it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
Look, break ups are hard and emotional. But Breaking up with your boyfriend doesn't make you a bad person. I suppose you should stay with someone you don't love? That's ridiculous. It's not even that Zach left Jonna that I think is messed up. It's the way he's being cruel in insulting her and demeaning her over and over again when she's done nothing to deserve that. I mean, what did the girl ever do to him?
the whole wanting ot be "just friends" thing is just a defense mechanism designed to defend her stomped on ego. she stated loud and clear that she doesnt like seeing zach and jenna make out in front of her and her actions with jay demonstrate someone that is full of jealousy.
and her wanting to be friends with him still accounts for attention though we all know, based on how affected she is by jenna kissing him, that she would be down for more than just platonic attention. zach doesnt even want a friendship...he couldnt care less if he she she rocketed off to planet pluto tomorrow and that hurts her.
No one wants to watch an ex make out with someone else. I do admit there appears to be some jealousy with the Zach-Jenna situation but that doesn't alter the real problem. They don't have to be friends but he can't behave the way he does when she's his partner on the challenge. They have no chance to win the whole thing right now and that's on him--not her.
the whole wanting ot be "just friends" thing is just a defense mechanism designed to defend her stomped on ego. she stated loud and clear that she doesnt like seeing zach and jenna make out in front of her and her actions with jay demonstrate someone that is full of jealousy.
and her wanting to be friends with him still accounts for attention though we all know, based on how affected she is by jenna kissing him, that she would be down for more than just platonic attention. zach doesnt even want a friendship...he couldnt care less if he she she rocketed off to planet pluto tomorrow and that hurts her.
it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
Look, break ups are hard and emotional. But Breaking up with your boyfriend doesn't make you a bad person. I suppose you should stay with someone you don't love? That's ridiculous. It's not even that Zach left Jonna that I think is messed up. It's the way he's being cruel in insulting her and demeaning her over and over again when she's done nothing to deserve that. I mean, what did the girl ever do to him?
the action of breaking up isnt a big deal. her reasoning for doing so was lame though...and how she handled it. she cheated on her boyfriend on cancun and was going to cheat on seasons. she left her boyfriend on seasons for zach, somebody that she fell hard for and kicked her *** to the curb.
he is treating her like crap, which sucks and isnt okay. but shes still clearly attractehd to him and thats evidenced by her need to compensate by rebounding with jay, exclaiming that she doesnt like seeing jenna and him kiss, that she's "jealous" and that shes happy she gets to rub up on him in the challenge.
it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
It has nothing to do with Zach breaking up with Jonna. It is how he is treating her TWO YEARS later. He is being a complete **** to her and she isn't even doing anything. Jonna hurt her exes on past seasons but she never talked shit about Matt on Cancun and degraded him. Apparently Zach was making fun of Jonna's personal life to people in the house when she wasn't around and bringing up shit he only knew. Zach is ****** up. Bottom line.
And lets remember Jonna was ******* 20 on Cancun when she made those decisions. She has grown up a lot since then.
The fact that you're defending people like Zach and Adam is just... ridiculous.
im not defending them beacuse i know they really are **********. the problem is youre not trying to look at the root of why theyre this way. they act this way because idiot girls like mandi, jonna, anastasia, brittani throw themselves at them and create these monsters. theyre just adapting in accordance to what is going on around them. ct/zach/adam are stupid but so are the girls that encourage this behavior
it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
It has nothing to do with Zach breaking up with Jonna. It is how he is treating her TWO YEARS later. He is being a complete **** to her and she isn't even doing anything. Jonna hurt her exes on past seasons but she never talked shit about Matt on Cancun and degraded him. Apparently Zach was making fun of Jonna's personal life to people in the house when she wasn't around and bringing up shit he only knew. Zach is ****** up. Bottom line.
And lets remember Jonna was ******* 20 on Cancun when she made those decisions. She has grown up a lot since then.
Exactly. Jonna could have handled her situations better, but she was young and at least wasn't mean and vindictive like Zach.
When your significant other leaves without telling you and doesn't talk to you for two years, maybe you can have an opinion on her aparent immaturity.
The fact that you're defending people like Zach and Adam is just... ridiculous.
im not defending them beacuse i know they really are **********. the problem is youre not trying to look at the root of why theyre this way. they act this way because idiot girls like mandi, jonna, anastasia, brittani throw themselves at them and create these monsters. theyre just adapting in accordance to what is going on around them.
all in all theyre all idiots
Zach acted this way towards Ashley Kelsey and Ashlee Feldman...with Zach it has nothing to do with the girl, It is him.
Maybe if Zach was capable of having an adult conversation or if he was man enough to break up with Jonna rather than waking up one day saying F this, and moving out without talking to her. Than turning off his phone so she coudln't reach him. Just imagine your boyfriend/girlfriend doing that? Zach definatley has maturity issues..I can see why Jonna needed to talk it over with him after he did all that and basically on to the next chick.. The worst kinds of guys and girls on these shows are the ones who shit on people in the talking heads interviews, than act the opposite on the show in the house. Adam and Zach are two prime examples. I would say wes to, but in all honesty, he says such obsurd things that i think he just does it to do it. I don't think that is who Wes is. I have actually grown to like Wes after not liking him at all on rivals 1
Zach slowly has been showing his true colors the more he is on TV. I think he really just is trying to be funny, but he doesn't realize how dumb he looks. Watching him cry and make baby noises on free agents final would cheer Jonna up
so if zach acted this way towards ashley K then why did jonna stil go after him? because shes thirsty and superfcial thats why
He acted this way to Ashley Kelsey after he started dating Jonna...It was after Seasons that he started saying all this shit about her like what he did to Jonna.
it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
It has nothing to do with Zach breaking up with Jonna. It is how he is treating her TWO YEARS later. He is being a complete **** to her and she isn't even doing anything. Jonna hurt her exes on past seasons but she never talked shit about Matt on Cancun and degraded him. Apparently Zach was making fun of Jonna's personal life to people in the house when she wasn't around and bringing up shit he only knew. Zach is ****** up. Bottom line.
And lets remember Jonna was ******* 20 on Cancun when she made those decisions. She has grown up a lot since then.
Exactly. Jonna could have handled her situations better, but she was young and at least wasn't mean and vindictive like Zach.
When your significant other leaves without telling you and doesn't talk to you for two years, maybe you can have an opinion on her aparent immaturity.
its not going to happen beacuse unlike jonna, i actually know how to choose my mates.
jonna is and was immature. she went after zach because she was enchanted by his good looks. zach/ct/adam are not the types that any girl should expect to reign in and if you have any sort of observation skills, you would realize that.
nobody forced jonna to date zach. she went after him herself because shes thirsty and likes alpha males. alpha males dont settle down. their personality traits correlate with impulsiveness, self-servitude, control, etc. why the hell would you be invested in somebody like that?
it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
It has nothing to do with Zach breaking up with Jonna. It is how he is treating her TWO YEARS later. He is being a complete **** to her and she isn't even doing anything. Jonna hurt her exes on past seasons but she never talked shit about Matt on Cancun and degraded him. Apparently Zach was making fun of Jonna's personal life to people in the house when she wasn't around and bringing up shit he only knew. Zach is ****** up. Bottom line.
And lets remember Jonna was ******* 20 on Cancun when she made those decisions. She has grown up a lot since then.
Exactly. Jonna could have handled her situations better, but she was young and at least wasn't mean and vindictive like Zach.
When your significant other leaves without telling you and doesn't talk to you for two years, maybe you can have an opinion on her aparent immaturity.
its not going to happen beacuse unlike jonna, i actually know how to choose my mates.
jonna is and was immature. she went after zach because she was enchanted by his good looks. zach/ct/adam are not the types that any girl should expect to reign in and if you have any sort of observation skills, you would realize that.
nobody forced jonna to date zach. she went after him herself because shes thirsty and likes alpha males. alpha males dont settle down. their personality traits correlate with impulsiveness, self-servitude, control, etc. why the hell would you be invested in somebody like that?
Ok, nice to know you're incapable of making mistakes. Bye.
it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
It has nothing to do with Zach breaking up with Jonna. It is how he is treating her TWO YEARS later. He is being a complete **** to her and she isn't even doing anything. Jonna hurt her exes on past seasons but she never talked shit about Matt on Cancun and degraded him. Apparently Zach was making fun of Jonna's personal life to people in the house when she wasn't around and bringing up shit he only knew. Zach is ****** up. Bottom line.
And lets remember Jonna was ******* 20 on Cancun when she made those decisions. She has grown up a lot since then.
Exactly. Jonna could have handled her situations better, but she was young and at least wasn't mean and vindictive like Zach.
When your significant other leaves without telling you and doesn't talk to you for two years, maybe you can have an opinion on her aparent immaturity.
its not going to happen beacuse unlike jonna, i actually know how to choose my mates.
jonna is and was immature. she went after zach because she was enchanted by his good looks. zach/ct/adam are not the types that any girl should expect to reign in and if you have any sort of observation skills, you would realize that.
nobody forced jonna to date zach. she went after him herself because shes thirsty and likes alpha males. alpha males dont settle down. their personality traits correlate with impulsiveness, self-servitude, control, etc. why the hell would you be invested in somebody like that?
Ok, nice to know you're incapable of making mistakes. Bye.
zach is an attractive guy, therefore zach probably gets to sleep with who ever he wants therefore his ability to get attached becomes desensitized and compromised with each subsequent woman he beds. does jonna really need 20 years to figure out such basics?
youre clearly not attributing much to her intelligence.
it also needs ot be mentioned that jonna is the very same girl that put both of her exes on cancun and battle of the seasons through absolute hell when they were emotionally "attached" to her as well. the same callousness and lack of guilt that she displayed towards them is just desserts served bittersweet and frozen. shes just mad because a "hot" guy like zach isnt giving her any attention and she has no control of the situation like she did when she dumped and made her ex boyfriends cry.
It has nothing to do with Zach breaking up with Jonna. It is how he is treating her TWO YEARS later. He is being a complete **** to her and she isn't even doing anything. Jonna hurt her exes on past seasons but she never talked shit about Matt on Cancun and degraded him. Apparently Zach was making fun of Jonna's personal life to people in the house when she wasn't around and bringing up shit he only knew. Zach is ****** up. Bottom line.
And lets remember Jonna was ******* 20 on Cancun when she made those decisions. She has grown up a lot since then.
Exactly. Jonna could have handled her situations better, but she was young and at least wasn't mean and vindictive like Zach.
When your significant other leaves without telling you and doesn't talk to you for two years, maybe you can have an opinion on her aparent immaturity.
its not going to happen beacuse unlike jonna, i actually know how to choose my mates.
jonna is and was immature. she went after zach because she was enchanted by his good looks. zach/ct/adam are not the types that any girl should expect to reign in and if you have any sort of observation skills, you would realize that.
nobody forced jonna to date zach. she went after him herself because shes thirsty and likes alpha males. alpha males dont settle down. their personality traits correlate with impulsiveness, self-servitude, control, etc. why the hell would you be invested in somebody like that?
Ok, nice to know you're incapable of making mistakes. Bye.
zach is an attractive guy, therefore zach probably gets to sleep with who ever he wants therefore his ability to get attached becomes desensitized and compromised with each subsequent woman he beds. does jonna really need 20 years to figure out such basics?
youre clearly not attributing much to her intelligence.
If you knew anything about Jonna's past you probably wouldn't be so judgmental
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all. in fact i think its funny. i also found it funny BTW when cohutta got his *** dumped and humiiliated by nany last season.
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all.
Again, maybe slow your judgment unless you were bounced around foster care all your childhood and raped as a 13 year old
zach is an attractive guy, therefore zach probably gets to sleep with who ever he wants therefore his ability to get attached becomes desensitized and compromised with each subsequent woman he beds. does jonna really need 20 years to figure out such basics?
youre clearly not attributing much to her intelligence.
Exactly, this is stuff you learn in high school. No one's defending Zach and how much of a ********* he is. This thread is becoming a Jonna pity party but I'm looking at the opposing argument like "yo this girl really is dumb." Jonna needs to mature just as much as Zach does. We all make mistakes, but Jonna's the type to make them over and over and over and over and over... same with Nany. All these people are dysfunctional/flawed hence the reason they're on reality TV.
zach is an attractive guy, therefore zach probably gets to sleep with who ever he wants therefore his ability to get attached becomes desensitized and compromised with each subsequent woman he beds. does jonna really need 20 years to figure out such basics?
youre clearly not attributing much to her intelligence.
Exactly, this is stuff you learn in high school. No one's defending Zach and how much of a ********* he is. This thread is becoming a Jonna pity party but I'm looking at the opposing argument like "yo this girl really is dumb." Jonna needs to mature just as much as Zach does. We all make mistakes, but Jonna's the type to make them over and over and over and over and over... same with Nany. All these people are dysfunctional/flawed hence the reason they're on reality TV.
Jonna isn't dumb. She's very intelligent, and the fact that she makes mistakes is because she's a human and she's had a troubled life. Plus Jonna hasn't made a major relationship blunder since Zach on BOTS, so I don't really know why you act like she does this on every season.
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all.
Again, maybe slow your judgment unless you were bounced around foster care all your childhood and raped as a 13 year old
on the contrary, studies show that women that are sexually abused at young ages usually resort to complete avoidance of sexual relationships with men in general or they turn into serial sleepers with with little discernment of standards. that means they sleep with ugly or physically undesirable men as well. compared to "normal" women, sexual abuse doesnt make you anymore or any less attracted to hot guys like zach. from what we know, jonna is just excessively thirsty for the hot guys(jordan, zach, CJ). shes just mad beacuse shes a sucker and couldnt reign a hot guy like zach down.
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all.
Again, maybe slow your judgment unless you were bounced around foster care all your childhood and raped as a 13 year old
on the contrary, studies show that women that are sexually abused at young ages usually resort to complete avoidance of sexual relationships with men in general or they turn into serial sleepers with with little discernment of standards. that means they sleep with ugly or physically undesirable men as well. compared to "normal" women, sexual abuse doesnt make you anymore or any less attracted to hot guys like zach. from what we know, jonna is just excessively thirsty for the hot guys(jordan, zach, CJ)
how do you explain anastasia, mandi, nany and brittany? youre trying to attribute her sexual abuse as a child as the reason for her romantic attachment to zach when in reality it has nothing to do with that at all. like a lot of the other women on this show, shes just superficial, thats all. its a characteristic that a lot of people share and its not something completely unique to jonna or other victims of sexual abuse.
Apparently considering for even a second that traumatic events in someone's life could have affected them is too much for you... And saying "studies show this" is the epitome of lazily writing off something that is very complicated and can't be boiled down to a sentence or two.
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all.
Again, maybe slow your judgment unless you were bounced around foster care all your childhood and raped as a 13 year old
on the contrary, studies show that women that are sexually abused at young ages usually resort to complete avoidance of sexual relationships with men in general or they turn into serial sleepers with with little discernment of standards. that means they sleep with ugly or physically undesirable men as well. compared to "normal" women, sexual abuse doesnt make you anymore or any less attracted to hot guys like zach. from what we know, jonna is just excessively thirsty for the hot guys(jordan, zach, CJ)
how do you explain anastasia, mandi, nany and brittany? youre trying to attribute her sexual abuse as a child as the reason for her romantic attachment to zach when in reality it has nothing to do with that at all. like a lot of the other women on this show, shes just superficial, thats all. its a characteristic that a lot of people share and its not something completely unique to jonna or other victims of sexual abuse.
Apparently considering for even a second that traumatic events in someone's life could have affected them is too much for you... And saying "studies show this" is the epitome of lazily writing off something that is very complicated and can't be boiled down to a sentence or two.
oh whatever, youre not making any sense and you know it.
why did you go from defending both jonna AND britney to only defending jonna despite the fact that theyre both acting the same way?
i personally think jonna is still romantically and sexually attached to zach because hes attractive and shes vain. it has zilch to do with being sexually abused when she was younger and you know it too, which is why youve dropped britney out of this equation because including her in it would prove my point that the both of them are just acting on their hormonal imperatives(aka thirsty for abs and muscles) instead of some weird dark past.
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all.
Again, maybe slow your judgment unless you were bounced around foster care all your childhood and raped as a 13 year old
on the contrary, studies show that women that are sexually abused at young ages usually resort to complete avoidance of sexual relationships with men in general or they turn into serial sleepers with with little discernment of standards. that means they sleep with ugly or physically undesirable men as well. compared to "normal" women, sexual abuse doesnt make you anymore or any less attracted to hot guys like zach. from what we know, jonna is just excessively thirsty for the hot guys(jordan, zach, CJ)
how do you explain anastasia, mandi, nany and brittany? youre trying to attribute her sexual abuse as a child as the reason for her romantic attachment to zach when in reality it has nothing to do with that at all. like a lot of the other women on this show, shes just superficial, thats all. its a characteristic that a lot of people share and its not something completely unique to jonna or other victims of sexual abuse.
Apparently considering for even a second that traumatic events in someone's life could have affected them is too much for you... And saying "studies show this" is the epitome of lazily writing off something that is very complicated and can't be boiled down to a sentence or two.
oh whatever, youre not making any sense and you know it.
why did you go from defending both jonna AND britney to only defending jonna despite the fact that theyre both acting the same way?
i personally think jonna is still romantically and sexually attached to zach because hes attractive and shes vain. it has zilch to do with being sexually abused when she was younger and you know it too, which is why youve dropped britney out of this equation because including her in it would prove my point that the both of them are just acting on their hormonal imperatives(aka thirsty for abs and muscles) instead of some weird dark past.
I included Brittany in one earlier statement. Every subsequent one was about Jonna, so I dropped Brittany only because I don't know much about her, never having watched AYTO.
Jonna has stated both on the show and in interviews that she just wants to fix things with Zach and become friends. I don't think that's unusual considering their past. I also don't think it's unusual to cry when you overhear your partner calling you unstable and stupid, or to get annoyed when he deliberately hooks up in front of you. If you don't believe her, fine, but I do.
And your argument about Jonna only liking big, masculine guys is kind of made null if you watch Cancun. Neither Matt (her ex) nor Patrick (the guy she hooks up with) look anything like that.
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all.
Again, maybe slow your judgment unless you were bounced around foster care all your childhood and raped as a 13 year old
on the contrary, studies show that women that are sexually abused at young ages usually resort to complete avoidance of sexual relationships with men in general or they turn into serial sleepers with with little discernment of standards. that means they sleep with ugly or physically undesirable men as well. compared to "normal" women, sexual abuse doesnt make you anymore or any less attracted to hot guys like zach. from what we know, jonna is just excessively thirsty for the hot guys(jordan, zach, CJ)
how do you explain anastasia, mandi, nany and brittany? youre trying to attribute her sexual abuse as a child as the reason for her romantic attachment to zach when in reality it has nothing to do with that at all. like a lot of the other women on this show, shes just superficial, thats all. its a characteristic that a lot of people share and its not something completely unique to jonna or other victims of sexual abuse.
Apparently considering for even a second that traumatic events in someone's life could have affected them is too much for you... And saying "studies show this" is the epitome of lazily writing off something that is very complicated and can't be boiled down to a sentence or two.
oh whatever, youre not making any sense and you know it.
why did you go from defending both jonna AND britney to only defending jonna despite the fact that theyre both acting the same way?
i personally think jonna is still romantically and sexually attached to zach because hes attractive and shes vain. it has zilch to do with being sexually abused when she was younger and you know it too, which is why youve dropped britney out of this equation because including her in it would prove my point that the both of them are just acting on their hormonal imperatives(aka thirsty for abs and muscles) instead of some weird dark past.
I included Brittany in one earlier statement. Every subsequent one was about Jonna, so I dropped Brittany only because I don't know much about her, never having watched AYTO.
Jonna has stated both on the show and in interviews that she just wants to fix things with Zach and become friends. I don't think that's unusual considering their past. I also don't think it's unusual to cry when you overhear your partner calling you unstable and stupid, or to get annoyed when he deliberately hooks up in front of you. If you don't believe her, fine, but I do.
And your argument about Jonna only liking big, masculine guys is kind of made null if you watch Cancun. Neither Matt (her ex) nor Patrick (the guy she hooks up with) look anything like that.
pat was a DJ=life of the party, popular, a person with a high rank in social group. its not like he was some alternative bookworm or dork/nerd. furthermore he was also being pursued by jasmine and she probably got an upgrade to the ego knowing she could take her guy.
matt...um, she dumped matt and made him look like a subservient cuckhold fool on national TV when she cheated on him and went after muscular, mainstream jock CJ.
the only guy that disproves this is probably isaac but nothing really came out of that beyond that superficial bit we saw on free agents. she has a pattern, a "type". its the same type that many other women have and we saw it three times in this very ONE episode with nany and brittney. her sexual abuse has nothing to do with it.
i agree that its not unusual of her to be jealous of zach and jenna considering that shes still emotionally invested in him...and we KNOW she is based on her own admittance and activities with Jay. just because its normal doesnt mean you should feel bad for her. if anything, if her situatino were unique or out of the norm, i would feel more inclination to feel sorry for her. in this very "normal" situation shes just another thirsty girl still pining over her exceptionally attractive ex or hook up. theres plenty of those. britney, nany...take your pick.
the only thing you shoudl feel bad for her about is how zach treats her poorly as a teammate. that is it.
Look, break ups are hard and emotional. But Breaking up with your boyfriend doesn't make you a bad person. I suppose you should stay with someone you don't love? That's ridiculous. It's not even that Zach left Jonna that I think is messed up. It's the way he's being cruel in insulting her and demeaning her over and over again when she's done nothing to deserve that. I mean, what did the girl ever do to him?
No one wants to watch an ex make out with someone else. I do admit there appears to be some jealousy with the Zach-Jenna situation but that doesn't alter the real problem. They don't have to be friends but he can't behave the way he does when she's his partner on the challenge. They have no chance to win the whole thing right now and that's on him--not her.
The fact that you're defending people like Zach and Adam is just... ridiculous.
Wait...what? Pluto is a planet again?
Just saw Leroy's tweets. whoa, I still don't exactly know what happened between him and Jemmye, but obviously something did! And his gf forgave him!
the action of breaking up isnt a big deal. her reasoning for doing so was lame though...and how she handled it. she cheated on her boyfriend on cancun and was going to cheat on seasons. she left her boyfriend on seasons for zach, somebody that she fell hard for and kicked her *** to the curb.
he is treating her like crap, which sucks and isnt okay. but shes still clearly attractehd to him and thats evidenced by her need to compensate by rebounding with jay, exclaiming that she doesnt like seeing jenna and him kiss, that she's "jealous" and that shes happy she gets to rub up on him in the challenge.
she looks stupid
It has nothing to do with Zach breaking up with Jonna. It is how he is treating her TWO YEARS later. He is being a complete **** to her and she isn't even doing anything. Jonna hurt her exes on past seasons but she never talked shit about Matt on Cancun and degraded him. Apparently Zach was making fun of Jonna's personal life to people in the house when she wasn't around and bringing up shit he only knew. Zach is ****** up. Bottom line.
And lets remember Jonna was ******* 20 on Cancun when she made those decisions. She has grown up a lot since then.
im not defending them beacuse i know they really are **********. the problem is youre not trying to look at the root of why theyre this way. they act this way because idiot girls like mandi, jonna, anastasia, brittani throw themselves at them and create these monsters. theyre just adapting in accordance to what is going on around them. ct/zach/adam are stupid but so are the girls that encourage this behavior
all in all theyre all idiots
Exactly. Jonna could have handled her situations better, but she was young and at least wasn't mean and vindictive like Zach.
When your significant other leaves without telling you and doesn't talk to you for two years, maybe you can have an opinion on her aparent immaturity.
Zach acted this way towards Ashley Kelsey and Ashlee Feldman...with Zach it has nothing to do with the girl, It is him.
Maybe if Zach was capable of having an adult conversation or if he was man enough to break up with Jonna rather than waking up one day saying F this, and moving out without talking to her. Than turning off his phone so she coudln't reach him. Just imagine your boyfriend/girlfriend doing that? Zach definatley has maturity issues..I can see why Jonna needed to talk it over with him after he did all that and basically on to the next chick.. The worst kinds of guys and girls on these shows are the ones who shit on people in the talking heads interviews, than act the opposite on the show in the house. Adam and Zach are two prime examples. I would say wes to, but in all honesty, he says such obsurd things that i think he just does it to do it. I don't think that is who Wes is. I have actually grown to like Wes after not liking him at all on rivals 1
Zach slowly has been showing his true colors the more he is on TV. I think he really just is trying to be funny, but he doesn't realize how dumb he looks. Watching him cry and make baby noises on free agents final would cheer Jonna up
so if zach acted this way towards ashley K then why did jonna stil go after him? because shes thirsty and superfcial thats why
He acted this way to Ashley Kelsey after he started dating Jonna...It was after Seasons that he started saying all this shit about her like what he did to Jonna.
its not going to happen beacuse unlike jonna, i actually know how to choose my mates.
jonna is and was immature. she went after zach because she was enchanted by his good looks. zach/ct/adam are not the types that any girl should expect to reign in and if you have any sort of observation skills, you would realize that.
nobody forced jonna to date zach. she went after him herself because shes thirsty and likes alpha males. alpha males dont settle down. their personality traits correlate with impulsiveness, self-servitude, control, etc. why the hell would you be invested in somebody like that?
Ok, nice to know you're incapable of making mistakes. Bye.
I like how some people are blaming Jonna for the way she's being treated.
zach is an attractive guy, therefore zach probably gets to sleep with who ever he wants therefore his ability to get attached becomes desensitized and compromised with each subsequent woman he beds. does jonna really need 20 years to figure out such basics?
youre clearly not attributing much to her intelligence.
If you knew anything about Jonna's past you probably wouldn't be so judgmental
stop rationalizing her idiotic mate decisions. there are other women that are similarly as traumatiezd but dont act this way. whats britney's excuse anyways? what about nany? or mandi, anastasia, etc.? this isnt a result of jonnas unique past, its a result of her superficiality. there a lot of girls like her.
its bad that zach is shitting on her as a TEAMMATE, that i will give you. thats not okay at all considering that jonna is a good competitor IMO, but as far as her feeling jealous and hurt that zach left her, i dont feel bad for her at all. in fact i think its funny. i also found it funny BTW when cohutta got his *** dumped and humiiliated by nany last season.
Again, maybe slow your judgment unless you were bounced around foster care all your childhood and raped as a 13 year old
Exactly, this is stuff you learn in high school. No one's defending Zach and how much of a ********* he is. This thread is becoming a Jonna pity party but I'm looking at the opposing argument like "yo this girl really is dumb." Jonna needs to mature just as much as Zach does. We all make mistakes, but Jonna's the type to make them over and over and over and over and over... same with Nany. All these people are dysfunctional/flawed hence the reason they're on reality TV.
Jonna isn't dumb. She's very intelligent, and the fact that she makes mistakes is because she's a human and she's had a troubled life. Plus Jonna hasn't made a major relationship blunder since Zach on BOTS, so I don't really know why you act like she does this on every season.
on the contrary, studies show that women that are sexually abused at young ages usually resort to complete avoidance of sexual relationships with men in general or they turn into serial sleepers with with little discernment of standards. that means they sleep with ugly or physically undesirable men as well. compared to "normal" women, sexual abuse doesnt make you anymore or any less attracted to hot guys like zach. from what we know, jonna is just excessively thirsty for the hot guys(jordan, zach, CJ). shes just mad beacuse shes a sucker and couldnt reign a hot guy like zach down.
Apparently considering for even a second that traumatic events in someone's life could have affected them is too much for you... And saying "studies show this" is the epitome of lazily writing off something that is very complicated and can't be boiled down to a sentence or two.
oh whatever, youre not making any sense and you know it.
why did you go from defending both jonna AND britney to only defending jonna despite the fact that theyre both acting the same way?
i personally think jonna is still romantically and sexually attached to zach because hes attractive and shes vain. it has zilch to do with being sexually abused when she was younger and you know it too, which is why youve dropped britney out of this equation because including her in it would prove my point that the both of them are just acting on their hormonal imperatives(aka thirsty for abs and muscles) instead of some weird dark past.
I included Brittany in one earlier statement. Every subsequent one was about Jonna, so I dropped Brittany only because I don't know much about her, never having watched AYTO.
Jonna has stated both on the show and in interviews that she just wants to fix things with Zach and become friends. I don't think that's unusual considering their past. I also don't think it's unusual to cry when you overhear your partner calling you unstable and stupid, or to get annoyed when he deliberately hooks up in front of you. If you don't believe her, fine, but I do.
And your argument about Jonna only liking big, masculine guys is kind of made null if you watch Cancun. Neither Matt (her ex) nor Patrick (the guy she hooks up with) look anything like that.
I never knew Jonna was raped. That is terrible. Was this talked about on her season?? Because I don't remember it.
I don't remember it being mentioned on Cancun, but (at least from what I know) it happened right after she was on Endurance
pat was a DJ=life of the party, popular, a person with a high rank in social group. its not like he was some alternative bookworm or dork/nerd. furthermore he was also being pursued by jasmine and she probably got an upgrade to the ego knowing she could take her guy.
matt...um, she dumped matt and made him look like a subservient cuckhold fool on national TV when she cheated on him and went after muscular, mainstream jock CJ.
the only guy that disproves this is probably isaac but nothing really came out of that beyond that superficial bit we saw on free agents. she has a pattern, a "type". its the same type that many other women have and we saw it three times in this very ONE episode with nany and brittney. her sexual abuse has nothing to do with it.
i agree that its not unusual of her to be jealous of zach and jenna considering that shes still emotionally invested in him...and we KNOW she is based on her own admittance and activities with Jay. just because its normal doesnt mean you should feel bad for her. if anything, if her situatino were unique or out of the norm, i would feel more inclination to feel sorry for her. in this very "normal" situation shes just another thirsty girl still pining over her exceptionally attractive ex or hook up. theres plenty of those. britney, nany...take your pick.
the only thing you shoudl feel bad for her about is how zach treats her poorly as a teammate. that is it.
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