Yes they should, it's like in life they are the low men/wonen on a totem pole so they should prove what they can do. We get a much better feel for how they compete, just look at LaToya she sucked in the mission but thanks to her being voted in for being a rookie because she proved herself.
Prove what they can do my ***. The veterans made up that **** as an excuse to not **** off anyone and give themselves a free week without having to worry about going home, hoping that the newbies who never watched the show before just go "Well I guess that's how it works!"
This has been going on since the duel ever since they voted in key west people in first so it's really nothing new.
It was Bullshit then and it's bullshit now. Rookies should not have to go in first. The only reason they do is because they end up being the odd people out because everyone else in the cast is friends/comfortable with each other. That's all it is.
And by that way...This is TV not real life. What happens in real life doesn't apply here. Never has Never will.
Why shouldn't they? Nobody knows how they perform yet and sending them in gives us a better view of there abilities. If rookies didn't go in first than we would have never found out that people like Kim or Toya are good competitors.
suppp peeps, stay away from this site like the plauge....don't want to get spoiled lol. super excited about this season.
Avery is SMOKING. I never watched Portland...man she is hot. Brittney looks good too, but she seems super fake or over the top. JJ seems like hes going to be funny. I hope he makes it far so he can have his one liners, though I seriously doubt the 2 will make it anywhere. "Interratial couples!!!" Found Bananas swimming in the pool during Wes/Thersas dinner was weird lol. Gonna continue to root for Wes...though he made things super interesting and this will be a season to watch. So exciting when the seasons are so obvious will rookies, then mid level players, then vets go into eliminations (ala FM1, Rivals, Rivals2, Duel2, etc). This season looks anything but predictible.
I can't really see any alliances in the sand but if I had to guess it would be:
Rooks: Adam, Thomas, Jay, JJ (sided with Wes' Group)
Bananas Bandwagon: Bananas, Johnny, Leeroy, Zach (Guessing this is the crew Dustin was trying to get with)
Anti Bananas Bandwagon: Wes, Jordan, CT, Knight(not sure about Knight)
I think wes knows what he's doing more than you do. when it comes to alliances wes has always been the best one at forming fresh alliances with people he hates even and getting what he wants(look at rivals 1, the duel 1, fresh meat 2).
Johnny and Wes both seem to fear the rookie presence in the house since their is so many of them and they don't even know how good they are yet in challenges plus you got guys like zach and jordan who are also newer and have proven themselves and also roll on their own. Wes just got lucky and became power couple first and told the rookies their safe so he can get them on his side.... boom that's 4 times on wes alliances now plus diem and CT(diem and wes have always been allies plus ct and wes are close since rivals 2 and he didn't know diem was going to collapse on the set yet)..... wes made the smartest move he could make by sending an unaffiliated dustin and jess
dustin and jess are not friends with anyone really except for maybe johnny and nany and johnny and nany are going to be gunning for wes anyways. wes alliance consist of 6 teams now(including his own plus ct and diem)... that's like almost half of the teams and a 50 percen t chance his alliance will get the power couple making him virtually safe from the elimination for the first few eliminations(unless he gets last place or johnny wins)
bottom line... wes played the best move sending in dustin and jess and not AYTO against AYTO... AYTO and Ex-plosion are pretty close to eachother right now and they would ban together against wes if they had too.
also I was wondering something seperate... how exactly is the ex-ile set up. If dustin and jess win do they go back to the game or do they just play the next team that is eliminated until they either get eliminated or they beat every other eliminated team and make the final.
also I was wondering something seperate... how exactly is the ex-ile set up. If dustin and jess win do they go back to the game or do they just play the next team that is eliminated until they either get eliminated or they beat every other eliminated team and make the final.
It's like Redemption Island on Survivor. They face off against the next eliminated team, the team that wins, faces the next eliminated team, and so on and so forth until they return to the game. They didn't say when they will return to the game but i'd assume around the final 5. Maybe the half way mark at the earliest.
suppp peeps, stay away from this site like the plauge....don't want to get spoiled lol. super excited about this season.
Avery is SMOKING. I never watched Portland...man she is hot. Brittney looks good too, but she seems super fake or over the top. JJ seems like hes going to be funny. I hope he makes it far so he can have his one liners, though I seriously doubt the 2 will make it anywhere. "Interratial couples!!!" Found Bananas swimming in the pool during Wes/Thersas dinner was weird lol. Gonna continue to root for Wes...though he made things super interesting and this will be a season to watch. So exciting when the seasons are so obvious will rookies, then mid level players, then vets go into eliminations (ala FM1, Rivals, Rivals2, Duel2, etc). This season looks anything but predictible.
I can't really see any alliances in the sand but if I had to guess it would be:
Rooks: Adam, Thomas, Jay, JJ (sided with Wes' Group)
Bananas Bandwagon: Bananas, Johnny, Leeroy, Zach (Guessing this is the crew Dustin was trying to get with)
Anti Bananas Bandwagon: Wes, Jordan, CT, Knight(not sure about Knight)
Yay another non-spoiler fan :D. It hasn't been too bad in this episode thread. Just stay away from the trailer thread they might as well make it another spoiler/speculation thread. And the individual threads for teams are always a place for hints to grow like bacteria. "This team will do well!" and comments like that, but this thread (besides the first couple of pages) did way better than last year when it came to hinting spoilers. I'm so proud of everyone for being able to keep their mouth shut :).
Yeah, I really dont like getting spoiled and tried to be involved with the episode topics last season. It really seems that every topic during the offseasons are just spoiler threads which is kind of a bummer.
suppp peeps, stay away from this site like the plauge....don't want to get spoiled lol. super excited about this season.
Avery is SMOKING. I never watched Portland...man she is hot. Brittney looks good too, but she seems super fake or over the top. JJ seems like hes going to be funny. I hope he makes it far so he can have his one liners, though I seriously doubt the 2 will make it anywhere. "Interratial couples!!!" Found Bananas swimming in the pool during Wes/Thersas dinner was weird lol. Gonna continue to root for Wes...though he made things super interesting and this will be a season to watch. So exciting when the seasons are so obvious will rookies, then mid level players, then vets go into eliminations (ala FM1, Rivals, Rivals2, Duel2, etc). This season looks anything but predictible.
I can't really see any alliances in the sand but if I had to guess it would be:
Rooks: Adam, Thomas, Jay, JJ (sided with Wes' Group)
Bananas Bandwagon: Bananas, Johnny, Leeroy, Zach (Guessing this is the crew Dustin was trying to get with)
Anti Bananas Bandwagon: Wes, Jordan, CT, Knight(not sure about Knight)
I think the main alliance will be Johnny R., Zach, CT, Knight, based on the supposed "Boston Alliance" with Bananas and Leroy since they share the same room.
Sucks to comment on this thread 2 days later because it's a really hard time finding ways to watch the challenge being from South America, however, here are my thoughts on this premiere:
- It's really sad to watch this, hear about the dreams and expectations of Diem and knowing whats gonna happen with her in a few episodes... She looks radiant, and filled with hope, and it makes me really sad that she won't be able to finish.
- I like that on Free Agents and this season we're getting really light premieres, without unnecesary drama and fun times, almost makes them seem like an "old school" challenge.
- I'm completely rooting for Jonna/Zach, Wes/Theresa (Later more on that), Sarah/Jordan and Johnny/Averey. Zach has good confessionals, and I've been a fan of Jonna since Rivals, I think that given the right circumstances she might be a great competitor, plus she's gorgeous (And I beg you, please don't start again with the "Jonna is a good/bad competitor" debate so early). Jhonny and Averey seem to me like production are trying to portray them as the new CT/Diem, since they had a lot of camera time talking about if she cheated or not, if they can look into each other eyes, if they trusted each other, etc.
- I must say that I loved that Wes and Theresa won the first mission. I've grown a lot of care for Theresa in the past seasons, mainly because I've been waiting for someone to shake the things up a little regarding alliances and votes, and even though she may make some dumb moves, she brings something that nobody on this show has the guts to do. Same goes for Wes, and I hope that they continue to win to see what else they come up to. The only flaw I see on their plan is that this is not a numbers game, so having an alliance with weaker teams will not save them from eliminations, au contraire, it may create a huge target on their backs.
- Picking Dustin/Jessica feels like a great move for me. Dustin is not picked because he's a beast, nor because he's weak. He's picked because he's a good competitor (Not great, good) who may surprise you winning a few missions, but doesn't have a strong alliance, or many people who supports him, which makes him an easy target. He's in the same situation that Wes was in Exes and Seasons.
- I feel it was a right choice to cast people from AYTO. Some people here act like this show has some kind of Bible, which forbids producers to do the things that they believe are necessary for making it become more popular. If the show was called Real World/Road Rules Challenge, and then they changed the name is irrelevant, they can do whatever they think they can for the survival of the show. I read somewhere on a post that the main goal of the show was to make a follow up of the people who was on this shows and know what has been going on with their issues. To me, it feels like the AYTO people had their show and this is the continuation of it, so I don't see the problem with them being casted.
- Rookies shouldn't "prove themselves", or "earn their stripes" at all. This was something that veterans created in order to gain another week of paid vacations, and get their places secured. Big Easy has been on many challenges, and quitted a lot of times, yet he's a veteran. Does he deserve to be on a challenge for a longer time than, as an example, Averey, who seems like a good competitor and we enjoy? Doesn't seem fair to me.
- I love that we're getting the Ex-iled twist as some kind of webshow. Reminds me of the dailies :).
- Lastly, I appreaciate the effort on not getting many spoilers on this thread, since I'm one of the ones that hate spoilers and had many seasons ruined for this reason. Let's keep this going
Sorry to make such a long post, I wanted to address many of the topics previously discussed and give my two cents on them.
Yes they should, it's like in life they are the low men/wonen on a totem pole so they should prove what they can do. We get a much better feel for how they compete, just look at LaToya she sucked in the mission but thanks to her being voted in for being a rookie because she proved herself.
Prove what they can do my ***. The veterans made up that **** as an excuse to not **** off anyone and give themselves a free week without having to worry about going home, hoping that the newbies who never watched the show before just go "Well I guess that's how it works!"
This has been going on since the duel ever since they voted in key west people in first so it's really nothing new.
It was Bullshit then and it's bullshit now. Rookies should not have to go in first. The only reason they do is because they end up being the odd people out because everyone else in the cast is friends/comfortable with each other. That's all it is.
And by that way...This is TV not real life. What happens in real life doesn't apply here. Never has Never will.
Are you that delusional? This isn't a scripted show, these ppl are going to behave like humans. Human instinct is to not wander into unknown territory, in other words if they had to choose to align themselves with familiar faces or new faces that probably have different intentions then what do you think is going to happen?
Have you p***ed high school yet? Debut you would be the first one to go into an elimination if you ever did a Challenge.
You do realize that goes right into what I'm saying right? These people are freinds/comfortable with one another so they're going align with people whom they're familiar with. Therefore making the Rookies the odd people out therefore they get sent in first. So It had nothing to do with them needing to prove themselves to anyone or "Earning their stripes"..They're just an easy and convienent target that's it that's all.
And that last comment wasn't necessary. You really need to grow the **** up.
Yes they should, it's like in life they are the low men/wonen on a totem pole so they should prove what they can do. We get a much better feel for how they compete, just look at LaToya she sucked in the mission but thanks to her being voted in for being a rookie because she proved herself.
Prove what they can do my ***. The veterans made up that **** as an excuse to not **** off anyone and give themselves a free week without having to worry about going home, hoping that the newbies who never watched the show before just go "Well I guess that's how it works!"
This has been going on since the duel ever since they voted in key west people in first so it's really nothing new.
It was Bullshit then and it's bullshit now. Rookies should not have to go in first. The only reason they do is because they end up being the odd people out because everyone else in the cast is friends/comfortable with each other. That's all it is.
And by that way...This is TV not real life. What happens in real life doesn't apply here. Never has Never will.
Why shouldn't they? Nobody knows how they perform yet and sending them in gives us a better view of there abilities. If rookies didn't go in first than we would have never found out that people like Kim or Toya are good competitors.
Well you don't know that..Maybe they could've been sent in at a later time in the game.
I find it very funny that people complain that the show is very predictable yet they want rookies/unexperienced one to go in first every single time and let the big guys (who usually are just two, three teams) coast to a final and than complain why the same people win...
Plus, you don't need to be in an elimination round to show these people that you're a good competitor, win and do good on the daily challenges, too.
I find it very funny that people complain that the show is very predictable yet they want rookies/unexperienced one to go in first every single time and let the big guys (who usually are just two, three teams) coast to a final and than complain why the same people win...
I find it very funny that people complain that the show is very predictable yet they want rookies/unexperienced one to go in first every single time and let the big guys (who usually are just two, three teams) coast to a final and than complain why the same people win...
Plus, you don't need to be in an elimination round to show these people that you're a good competitor, win and do good on the daily challenges, too.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
I think people are more afraid of him when he does came back that he will come after them / him / her. So they don't vote him in. It's not like they don't know his history, but apparently he's also a pretty good guy to be around with.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
I think people are more afraid of him when he does came back that he will come after them / him / her. So they don't vote him in. It's not like they don't know his history, but apparently he's also a pretty good guy to be around with.
I've heard people say he's a good guy off the show, but nothing of what they show of him on the show is anything to write back home about, and since we ONLY see him on The Challenge, that whole them claiming him as a good guy shouldn't matter. So while that may be true, it's not really contributing to the other half of the show (competition) if you're willing to let a "good guy" win because you're afraid of what he'll do to you if someone bothers to make a good play.
Sorry if that comes across as aggressive or mean, GD. I don't mean it to.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
I think people are more afraid of him when he does came back that he will come after them / him / her. So they don't vote him in. It's not like they don't know his history, but apparently he's also a pretty good guy to be around with.
Yeah exactly, It seems like most people are scared to vote him in because they know most likely he will come back and vote them in. It also seems from twitter all the new people from explosion, skeletons, and ATYO are big fans of him. He was in a lot of their tweets when the episode aired soo I have a feeling a lot of them will be like Jay is towards him..
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
Since when is it easy to go into 3 eliminations on Free Agents, one being a puzzle against CT in your weakest area?? Then running a hard *** two day final. You people never give Bananas credit when he deserves it. Also hardbitten nice to see you back in Debut albums side kick role again. Batman & Robin back together at last haha.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
I think people are more afraid of him when he does came back that he will come after them / him / her. So they don't vote him in. It's not like they don't know his history, but apparently he's also a pretty good guy to be around with.
I've heard people say he's a good guy off the show, but nothing of what they show of him on the show is anything to write back home about, and since we ONLY see him on The Challenge, that whole them claiming him as a good guy shouldn't matter. So while that may be true, it's not really contributing to the other half of the show (competition) if you're willing to let a "good guy" win because you're afraid of what he'll do to you if someone bothers to make a good play.
Sorry if that comes across as aggressive or mean, GD. I don't mean it to.
I totally get you, but some people take their relationships off cameras into their decisions. I take Diem as an example of it. She never would've send in Wes, Emily, Bananas in an elimination round not because she was afraid of them, but they were "secretly" her closiest friend in their house and ultimatly cost her the win and viewers never got to see that.
I think BMP/MTV should include more puzzles /crapshoots in an elimination round just to scare some cross-fit junkies, encourage to make some bold plays and actually make the viewers believe that anything can happen.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
Since when is it easy to go into 3 eliminations, one being a puzzle against CT in your weakest area?? Then running a hard *** two day final. You people never give Bananas credit when he deserves it. Also hardbitten nice to see you back in Debut albums side kick role again. Batman & Robin back together at last haha.
2 out of those 3 eliminations was easy as **** and had Backpack winning all over it. One was against a weak player and the other was against someone he had a clear advantage over. Both of them could've been beaten by anyone. That's nothing to note.
Although I will give him credit for Beating CT and going through that final. That was impressive but it doesn't negate the point that people play scared and let their outside friendships infuence their decisions and that allows him to get through the game.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
Since when is it easy to go into 3 eliminations, one being a puzzle against CT in your weakest area?? Then running a hard *** two day final. You people never give Bananas credit when he deserves it. Also hardbitten nice to see you back in Debut albums side kick role again. Batman & Robin back together at last haha.
You see, when you mention it yet again about me being DA's "side kick", it doesn't seem like you're joking at all. I also said most, meaning I don't agree with ALL of what he says, but most of it or even half of what DA says actually makes sense. So if anyone wants to jump on me for that, you have no verbal grounds to make it seem like I'm his side kick.
I HAVE given Bananas credit. If you haven't see that, not my fault. But Bananas is just like CJ on this site, you guys make him out to be a God when he's just a NORMAL human being, but then again, Bananas is better than CJ.
Bananas supporters make me hate the guy even more (and I'm not talking about JEKFan because it seems like she knows better than most of you do) because of how much you praise him and think everything he says/does makes him a GREAT person/competitor. I know he's good, I know he has skills and can be very smart, but Bananas isn't all that. I hope that reality pill isn't too much for you to swallow.
Also, I've never said three eliminations was easy. I definitely give him props on all of them.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
I think people are more afraid of him when he does came back that he will come after them / him / her. So they don't vote him in. It's not like they don't know his history, but apparently he's also a pretty good guy to be around with.
I've heard people say he's a good guy off the show, but nothing of what they show of him on the show is anything to write back home about, and since we ONLY see him on The Challenge, that whole them claiming him as a good guy shouldn't matter. So while that may be true, it's not really contributing to the other half of the show (competition) if you're willing to let a "good guy" win because you're afraid of what he'll do to you if someone bothers to make a good play.
Sorry if that comes across as aggressive or mean, GD. I don't mean it to.
I totally get you, but some people take their relationships off cameras into their decisions. I take Diem as an example of it. She never would've send in Wes, Emily, Bananas in an elimination round not because she was afraid of them, but they were "secretly" her closiest friend in their house and ultimatly cost her the win and viewers never got to see that. I think BMP/MTV should include more puzzles /crapshoots in an elimination round just to scare some cross-fit junkies, encourage to make some bold plays and actually make the viewers believe that anything can happen.
They could just stop casting the same **** people over and over again. I think that would help more than anything.
You know everyone ignores what you say about Bananas because at this point everyone knows you hate him & can't be unbiased towards him.
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
I think people are more afraid of him when he does came back that he will come after them / him / her. So they don't vote him in. It's not like they don't know his history, but apparently he's also a pretty good guy to be around with.
I've heard people say he's a good guy off the show, but nothing of what they show of him on the show is anything to write back home about, and since we ONLY see him on The Challenge, that whole them claiming him as a good guy shouldn't matter. So while that may be true, it's not really contributing to the other half of the show (competition) if you're willing to let a "good guy" win because you're afraid of what he'll do to you if someone bothers to make a good play.
Sorry if that comes across as aggressive or mean, GD. I don't mean it to.
I totally get you, but some people take their relationships off cameras into their decisions. I take Diem as an example of it. She never would've send in Wes, Emily, Bananas in an elimination round not because she was afraid of them, but they were "secretly" her closiest friend in their house and ultimatly cost her the win and viewers never got to see that. I think BMP/MTV should include more puzzles /crapshoots in an elimination round just to scare some cross-fit junkies, encourage to make some bold plays and actually make the viewers believe that anything can happen.
Yeah, it seems to be a reoccuring trend in people taking their off camera relationships into their in game decisions. I'm on the fence about it because I understand, and at the same time, I just don't agree when most of the time, it'll let someone who doesn't deserve it win.
I also agree with puzzles! It's boring to watch for me, but I understand why someone would want them. It completely cancels out the athelete in some and forces them/others into using their brain.
The problem of this show for me is that because these people know each other before hand, they aren't willing to backstab each other and make big moves. Also, people always form pre-season alliances and the game becomes really predictable. That's why I appreciate Wes and Theresa's gameplay, they aren't afraid of making big moves and backstabbing people, though it never works for Theresa.
The problem of this show for me is that because these people know each other before hand, they aren't willing to backstab each other and make big moves. Also, people always form pre-season alliances and the game becomes really predictable. That's why I appreciate Wes and Theresa's gameplay, they aren't afraid of making big moves and backstabbing people, though it never works for Theresa.
Which once again..Can be stopped by them not casting the same people repeatedly.
I love how people always downplay bananas wins, he always wins fair and square
I agree, the only one that's debatable is the Rivals one, I feel like production screwed Kenny and Wes on that one. But all the others were well deserved, especially on Exes and Free Agents.
Why shouldn't they? Nobody knows how they perform yet and sending them in gives us a better view of there abilities. If rookies didn't go in first than we would have never found out that people like Kim or Toya are good competitors.
suppp peeps, stay away from this site like the plauge....don't want to get spoiled lol. super excited about this season.
Avery is SMOKING. I never watched Portland...man she is hot. Brittney looks good too, but she seems super fake or over the top. JJ seems like hes going to be funny. I hope he makes it far so he can have his one liners, though I seriously doubt the 2 will make it anywhere. "Interratial couples!!!" Found Bananas swimming in the pool during Wes/Thersas dinner was weird lol. Gonna continue to root for Wes...though he made things super interesting and this will be a season to watch. So exciting when the seasons are so obvious will rookies, then mid level players, then vets go into eliminations (ala FM1, Rivals, Rivals2, Duel2, etc). This season looks anything but predictible.
I can't really see any alliances in the sand but if I had to guess it would be:
Rooks: Adam, Thomas, Jay, JJ (sided with Wes' Group)
Bananas Bandwagon: Bananas, Johnny, Leeroy, Zach (Guessing this is the crew Dustin was trying to get with)
Anti Bananas Bandwagon: Wes, Jordan, CT, Knight(not sure about Knight)
I think wes knows what he's doing more than you do. when it comes to alliances wes has always been the best one at forming fresh alliances with people he hates even and getting what he wants(look at rivals 1, the duel 1, fresh meat 2).
Johnny and Wes both seem to fear the rookie presence in the house since their is so many of them and they don't even know how good they are yet in challenges plus you got guys like zach and jordan who are also newer and have proven themselves and also roll on their own. Wes just got lucky and became power couple first and told the rookies their safe so he can get them on his side.... boom that's 4 times on wes alliances now plus diem and CT(diem and wes have always been allies plus ct and wes are close since rivals 2 and he didn't know diem was going to collapse on the set yet)..... wes made the smartest move he could make by sending an unaffiliated dustin and jess
dustin and jess are not friends with anyone really except for maybe johnny and nany and johnny and nany are going to be gunning for wes anyways. wes alliance consist of 6 teams now(including his own plus ct and diem)... that's like almost half of the teams and a 50 percen t chance his alliance will get the power couple making him virtually safe from the elimination for the first few eliminations(unless he gets last place or johnny wins)
bottom line... wes played the best move sending in dustin and jess and not AYTO against AYTO... AYTO and Ex-plosion are pretty close to eachother right now and they would ban together against wes if they had too.
also I was wondering something seperate... how exactly is the ex-ile set up. If dustin and jess win do they go back to the game or do they just play the next team that is eliminated until they either get eliminated or they beat every other eliminated team and make the final.
It's like Redemption Island on Survivor. They face off against the next eliminated team, the team that wins, faces the next eliminated team, and so on and so forth until they return to the game. They didn't say when they will return to the game but i'd assume around the final 5. Maybe the half way mark at the earliest.
Yay another non-spoiler fan :D. It hasn't been too bad in this episode thread. Just stay away from the trailer thread they might as well make it another spoiler/speculation thread. And the individual threads for teams are always a place for hints to grow like bacteria. "This team will do well!" and comments like that, but this thread (besides the first couple of pages) did way better than last year when it came to hinting spoilers. I'm so proud of everyone for being able to keep their mouth shut :).
Yeah, I really dont like getting spoiled and tried to be involved with the episode topics last season. It really seems that every topic during the offseasons are just spoiler threads which is kind of a bummer.
Any ratings yet?
I think the main alliance will be Johnny R., Zach, CT, Knight, based on the supposed "Boston Alliance" with Bananas and Leroy since they share the same room.
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Sucks to comment on this thread 2 days later because it's a really hard time finding ways to watch the challenge being from South America, however, here are my thoughts on this premiere:
- It's really sad to watch this, hear about the dreams and expectations of Diem and knowing whats gonna happen with her in a few episodes... She looks radiant, and filled with hope, and it makes me really sad that she won't be able to finish.
- I like that on Free Agents and this season we're getting really light premieres, without unnecesary drama and fun times, almost makes them seem like an "old school" challenge.
- I'm completely rooting for Jonna/Zach, Wes/Theresa (Later more on that), Sarah/Jordan and Johnny/Averey. Zach has good confessionals, and I've been a fan of Jonna since Rivals, I think that given the right circumstances she might be a great competitor, plus she's gorgeous (And I beg you, please don't start again with the "Jonna is a good/bad competitor" debate so early). Jhonny and Averey seem to me like production are trying to portray them as the new CT/Diem, since they had a lot of camera time talking about if she cheated or not, if they can look into each other eyes, if they trusted each other, etc.
- I must say that I loved that Wes and Theresa won the first mission. I've grown a lot of care for Theresa in the past seasons, mainly because I've been waiting for someone to shake the things up a little regarding alliances and votes, and even though she may make some dumb moves, she brings something that nobody on this show has the guts to do. Same goes for Wes, and I hope that they continue to win to see what else they come up to. The only flaw I see on their plan is that this is not a numbers game, so having an alliance with weaker teams will not save them from eliminations, au contraire, it may create a huge target on their backs.
- Picking Dustin/Jessica feels like a great move for me. Dustin is not picked because he's a beast, nor because he's weak. He's picked because he's a good competitor (Not great, good) who may surprise you winning a few missions, but doesn't have a strong alliance, or many people who supports him, which makes him an easy target. He's in the same situation that Wes was in Exes and Seasons.
- I feel it was a right choice to cast people from AYTO. Some people here act like this show has some kind of Bible, which forbids producers to do the things that they believe are necessary for making it become more popular. If the show was called Real World/Road Rules Challenge, and then they changed the name is irrelevant, they can do whatever they think they can for the survival of the show. I read somewhere on a post that the main goal of the show was to make a follow up of the people who was on this shows and know what has been going on with their issues. To me, it feels like the AYTO people had their show and this is the continuation of it, so I don't see the problem with them being casted.
- Rookies shouldn't "prove themselves", or "earn their stripes" at all. This was something that veterans created in order to gain another week of paid vacations, and get their places secured. Big Easy has been on many challenges, and quitted a lot of times, yet he's a veteran. Does he deserve to be on a challenge for a longer time than, as an example, Averey, who seems like a good competitor and we enjoy? Doesn't seem fair to me.
- I love that we're getting the Ex-iled twist as some kind of webshow. Reminds me of the dailies :).
- Lastly, I appreaciate the effort on not getting many spoilers on this thread, since I'm one of the ones that hate spoilers and had many seasons ruined for this reason. Let's keep this going
Sorry to make such a long post, I wanted to address many of the topics previously discussed and give my two cents on them.
You do realize that goes right into what I'm saying right? These people are freinds/comfortable with one another so they're going align with people whom they're familiar with. Therefore making the Rookies the odd people out therefore they get sent in first. So It had nothing to do with them needing to prove themselves to anyone or "Earning their stripes"..They're just an easy and convienent target that's it that's all.
And that last comment wasn't necessary. You really need to grow the **** up.
Well you don't know that..Maybe they could've been sent in at a later time in the game.
I find it very funny that people complain that the show is very predictable yet they want rookies/unexperienced one to go in first every single time and let the big guys (who usually are just two, three teams) coast to a final and than complain why the same people win...
Plus, you don't need to be in an elimination round to show these people that you're a good competitor, win and do good on the daily challenges, too.
This, people complain about everything.
PREACH!!!!
Even if, most of what he says, is true? Bananas should be sent home fast. He's clearly a threat with five wins under his belt, and if the rest of them don't see that, then that's another reason why Bananas wins so easily.
The people who he's casted with are stupid.
I think people are more afraid of him when he does came back that he will come after them / him / her. So they don't vote him in. It's not like they don't know his history, but apparently he's also a pretty good guy to be around with.
I've heard people say he's a good guy off the show, but nothing of what they show of him on the show is anything to write back home about, and since we ONLY see him on The Challenge, that whole them claiming him as a good guy shouldn't matter. So while that may be true, it's not really contributing to the other half of the show (competition) if you're willing to let a "good guy" win because you're afraid of what he'll do to you if someone bothers to make a good play.
Sorry if that comes across as aggressive or mean, GD. I don't mean it to.
Yeah exactly, It seems like most people are scared to vote him in because they know most likely he will come back and vote them in. It also seems from twitter all the new people from explosion, skeletons, and ATYO are big fans of him. He was in a lot of their tweets when the episode aired soo I have a feeling a lot of them will be like Jay is towards him..
Since when is it easy to go into 3 eliminations on Free Agents, one being a puzzle against CT in your weakest area?? Then running a hard *** two day final. You people never give Bananas credit when he deserves it. Also hardbitten nice to see you back in Debut albums side kick role again. Batman & Robin back together at last haha.
I totally get you, but some people take their relationships off cameras into their decisions. I take Diem as an example of it. She never would've send in Wes, Emily, Bananas in an elimination round not because she was afraid of them, but they were "secretly" her closiest friend in their house and ultimatly cost her the win and viewers never got to see that.
I think BMP/MTV should include more puzzles /crapshoots in an elimination round just to scare some cross-fit junkies, encourage to make some bold plays and actually make the viewers believe that anything can happen.
2 out of those 3 eliminations was easy as **** and had Backpack winning all over it. One was against a weak player and the other was against someone he had a clear advantage over. Both of them could've been beaten by anyone. That's nothing to note.
Although I will give him credit for Beating CT and going through that final. That was impressive but it doesn't negate the point that people play scared and let their outside friendships infuence their decisions and that allows him to get through the game.
You see, when you mention it yet again about me being DA's "side kick", it doesn't seem like you're joking at all. I also said most, meaning I don't agree with ALL of what he says, but most of it or even half of what DA says actually makes sense. So if anyone wants to jump on me for that, you have no verbal grounds to make it seem like I'm his side kick.
I HAVE given Bananas credit. If you haven't see that, not my fault. But Bananas is just like CJ on this site, you guys make him out to be a God when he's just a NORMAL human being, but then again, Bananas is better than CJ.
Bananas supporters make me hate the guy even more (and I'm not talking about JEKFan because it seems like she knows better than most of you do) because of how much you praise him and think everything he says/does makes him a GREAT person/competitor. I know he's good, I know he has skills and can be very smart, but Bananas isn't all that. I hope that reality pill isn't too much for you to swallow.
Also, I've never said three eliminations was easy. I definitely give him props on all of them.
They could just stop casting the same **** people over and over again. I think that would help more than anything.
Yeah, it seems to be a reoccuring trend in people taking their off camera relationships into their in game decisions. I'm on the fence about it because I understand, and at the same time, I just don't agree when most of the time, it'll let someone who doesn't deserve it win.
I also agree with puzzles! It's boring to watch for me, but I understand why someone would want them. It completely cancels out the athelete in some and forces them/others into using their brain.
The problem of this show for me is that because these people know each other before hand, they aren't willing to backstab each other and make big moves. Also, people always form pre-season alliances and the game becomes really predictable. That's why I appreciate Wes and Theresa's gameplay, they aren't afraid of making big moves and backstabbing people, though it never works for Theresa.
I love how people always downplay bananas wins, he always wins fair and square
Which once again..Can be stopped by them not casting the same people repeatedly.
I agree, the only one that's debatable is the Rivals one, I feel like production screwed Kenny and Wes on that one. But all the others were well deserved, especially on Exes and Free Agents.
Exactly! But some people on this site will never see that.
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