[QUOTE=JayTee;438981]Challenge wins are tougher.[/QUOTE]
He had it easy back then, the challenges were still in the works and much easier. Don't get me started on Battle of the Sexes and Battle of the Sexes 2.
[QUOTE=TheBestBully;438985]He had it easy back the, the challenges were still in the works. Don't get me started on Battle of the Sexes and Battle of the Sexes 2.[/QUOTE]
He didn't win Battle of the Sexes 2 but let's not pretend he didn't perform well during pretty much every mission
This is about how HE performed and he always did. ALWAYS.
This is like saying Dan-Northern Trail & Theo-Maximum Velocity aren't great because of the era they were on the show
[QUOTE=PinkRose;438984]Jaytee I take back what I say about you a couple days ago, you're not a wall at least sometimes you get other people point of view unlike Debut Album.
Once again just because someone have any adavantage over someone it doesn't take anything away from their win. At the end of the day he won, plus Isaac is kind of muscular and he still was able to man handle him.
So if we go by your logic then any of Evelyn, Laurel, Emily, even CT's eliminations win and to some extend Kellyanne's elimination round wins don't mean they earned their spot in the final? then for you what does?[/QUOTE]
You talk about I'm a wall but yet you're not getting what I am saying. Those wins were legitimate. I'm not taking it away from him but THEY WERE EASY! He was going to win them no matter what. Are you really gonna sit here and say that either Isaac or Jordan had a good shot at beating Backpack? Really? That's plain garbage and you know it. And all the people you listed went up against Legit competition. Backpack did not on that particular challenge(well for the most part..He went up against CT and I'll give him that one)
I think Mark is overrated as well. I mostly just think he skates by on like name/legend alone. He's a good competitor for sure, but I feel like he's on this pedestal because he's the "Godfather of RW/RR" or whatever. Which, honestly he probably gave that nickname to himself.
[QUOTE=mph922;438989]I think Mark is overrated as well. I mostly just think he skates by on like name/legend alone. He's a good competitor for sure, but I feel like he's on this pedestal because he's the "Godfather of RW/RR" or whatever. Which, honestly he probably gave that nickname to himself.[/QUOTE]
Bingo.
[QUOTE=toenails;438956]I'd say Brad on Cutthroat is the ultimate example of sliding to the end, because he performed poorly throughout the entire season and still won lol. Close runner-ups are Katie, Aneesa, Julie, Robin, and Susie on Gauntlet 2.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't go so far to say he performed poorly the entire season. I mean he was in no means the MVP of his team or the whole season but he killed it on the Final which at the end of the day matters the most. I believe on Cutthroat due to the format and the fact his team consisted of himself, Tori, Paula, Melinda, Chet, and Dunbar who were never going to vote him in the Gulag and they had Brandon win 3 Gulags, Tyler won 2, and even Dunbar won 1 Gulag thats 6 male elimination wins for the Red Team so Brad was never in danger of going in and losing so it would make sense for Brad to "phone it in" and save it for the end.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438986]He didn't win Battle of the Sexes 2 but let's not pretend he didn't perform well during pretty much every mission
This is about how HE performed and he always did. ALWAYS.
This is like saying Dan-Northern Trail & Theo-Maximum Velocity aren't great because of the era they were on the show[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter, they threw that last mission anyway to ensure an easier victory in the final. They still would have won with Mark on their team regardless. Dan and Theo slides to the final as well anyway back then.
[QUOTE=mph922;438989]I think Mark is overrated as well. I mostly just think he skates by on like name/legend alone. He's a good competitor for sure, but I feel like he's on this pedestal because he's the "Godfather of RW/RR" or whatever. Which, honestly he probably gave that nickname to himself.[/QUOTE]
If Mark didn't perform a "pedestal" wouldn't exist
[QUOTE=TheBestBully;438992]It doesn't matter, they threw that last mission anyway to ensure an easier victory in the final. They still would have won with Mark on their team regardless. Dan and Theo slides to the final as well anyway back then.[/QUOTE]
In other words...no old school player earned a damn thing because all you remember are eliminations--got it
[QUOTE=Debut Album;438996]Yes it would.[/QUOTE]
How, if Mark sucked he would have been called out on The Duel 2 (even Lando & Evan were), he wouldn't have made it to the end of Exes without seeing an elimination until the end because it would have finished last a some point or been throw in especially with Robin and if he wasn't the top guy (really the only good guy on the Veterans other than Timmy) he wouldn't have made it to the end of G2 without seeing a final. Mark makes the end because he's good and has a good social game. He plays the game as it is intended.
How come nobody brings up CT skating by to finals? Is he above any and all criticism or something? The guy got a free ride to the finals on Exes and Rivals II, and if not for Bananas throwing him in on the second to last elimination and TJ shaking things up on the last elimination on FA, he likely would have gotten a free ride to his 3rd straight final. And don't give me the "because he's likable" excuses. Leroy is well-liked and people give him crap for skating by at times. Why shouldn't people call out CT for doing the same thing?
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438995]In other words...no old school player earned a damn thing because all you remember are eliminations--got it[/QUOTE]
IT was much easier back then. IT didn't start getting hard until the Gauntlet and Inferno days. The men dominated Battle of the Sexes and the sequel.
[QUOTE=TexasFight88;438999]How come nobody brings up CT skating by to finals? Is he above any and all criticism or something? The guy got a free ride to the finals on Exes and Rivals II, and if not for Bananas throwing him in on the second to last elimination and TJ shaking things up on the last elimination on FA, he likely would have gotten a free ride to his 3rd straight final. And don't give me the "because he's likable" excuses. Leroy is well-liked and people give him crap for skating by at times. Why shouldn't people call out CT for doing the same thing?[/QUOTE]
Because people are inconsistent with their arguments
This is probably unpopular opinion, but I actually think Jasmine is underrated. People on here think she is the next Casey/Shauvon/Brooke, and I don't think that's true. I think people are just blinded by their personal opinions of her. I'm not saying she's great or good, just that she doesn't suck as much as everyone thinks she does. She was a cheerleader, so she definitely has some athletic ability such as agility. Her size is a major hindrance and she's not that great at endurance, but one thing you can say about Jasmine is that she always gives it her all. She never gives up and goes 110%. You can see this on the Auto Body Rally challenge on Free Agents. When they had to run from their car to the bike, she was BOOKING it. Granted, it was just a short sprint, but it shows you how much effort she puts into these challenges.
[QUOTE=TheBestBully;439000]IT was much easier back then. IT didn't start getting hard until the Gauntlet and Inferno days. The men dominated Battle of the Sexes and the sequel.[/QUOTE]
That has nothing to do with how they performed on the missions. Nothing. They didn't control what the show was like.
[QUOTE=TexasFight88;438999]How come nobody brings up CT skating by to finals? Is he above any and all criticism or something? The guy got a free ride to the finals on Exes and Rivals II, and if not for Bananas throwing him in on the second to last elimination and TJ shaking things up on the last elimination on FA, he likely would have gotten a free ride to his 3rd straight final.[B] And don't give me the "because he's likable" excuses[/B]. Leroy is well-liked and people give him crap for skating by at times. Why shouldn't people call out CT for doing the same thing?[/QUOTE]
That's odd. In what world is CT Likable?
But you do have a point CT skated by as well. I didn't even think about him honestly.
[QUOTE=Youssarian;439002]This is probably unpopular opinion, but I actually think Jasmine is underrated. People on here think she is the next Casey/Shauvon/Brooke, and I don't think that's true. I think people are just blinded by their personal opinions of her. I'm not saying she's great or good, just that she doesn't suck as much as everyone thinks she does. She was a cheerleader, so she definitely has some athletic ability such as agility. Her size is a major hindrance and she's not that great at endurance, but one thing you can say about Jasmine is that she always gives it her all. She never gives up and goes 110%. You can see this on the Auto Body Rally challenge on Free Agents. When they had to run from their car to the bike, she was BOOKING it. Granted, it was just a short sprint, but it shows you how much effort she puts into these challenges.[/QUOTE]
I agree although add Katelyn. I'm not even sure Casey is as bad as Brooke, Shauvon & Katelynn.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;439004]That's odd. In what world is CT Likable?
But you do have a point CT skated by as well. I didn't even think about him honestly.[/QUOTE]
Lol. I know you don't like him. I was referring to the majority, since it appears there are way more people who like him than not.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;439004]That's odd. In what world is CT Likable?[/QUOTE]
He's one of the most liked challengers to the general public...even with bashing in the face of Davis and Adam
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438998]How, if Mark sucked he would have been called out on The Duel 2 (even Lando & Evan were), he wouldn't have made it to the end of Exes without seeing an elimination until the end because it would have finished last a some point or been throw in especially with Robin and if he wasn't the top guy (really the only good guy on the Veterans other than Timmy) he wouldn't have made it to the end of G2 without seeing a final. Mark makes the end because he's good and has a good social game. He plays the game as it is intended.[/QUOTE]
Mark makes it to the end because he kisses *** and people let him slide by. Mark had it easy on The Duel 2. Lando was called out because Isaac is an idiot and Evan is called out because many people hate the JEK and the way they play the game. He's overrated end of story.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438998]How, if Mark sucked he would have been called out on The Duel 2 (even Lando & Evan were), he wouldn't have made it to the end of Exes without seeing an elimination until the end because it would have finished last a some point or been throw in especially with Robin and if he wasn't the top guy (really the only good guy on the Veterans other than Timmy) he wouldn't have made it to the end of G2 without seeing a final. Mark makes the end because he's good and has a good social game. He plays the game as it is intended.[/QUOTE]
I think part of why I find him overrated is also because I can never pinpoint a moment where he's stood out as being exceptional. He always performs well but when I think of the best, I think of guys like Landon, CT, etc. where there are moments that just went above and beyond. So to me, maybe I just think he's overrated because I don't think he belongs in that elite group, but is definitely just below them. Eh, I don't know if I'm making sense anymore. Either way, I can't remember anything particularly special about Mark.
[QUOTE=TheBestBully;439008]Mark makes it to the end because he kisses *** and people let him slide by. Mark had it easy on The Duel 2. Lando was called out because Isaac is an idiot and Evan is called out because many people hate the JEK and the way they play the game. He's overrated end of story.[/QUOTE]
Right, he did perform well on any challenges and everyone thought they'd beat him because he sucks but they let him go to the end just because of his name.
This is the dumbest argument ever made in the history of the world
I love how anyone that is likable kisses ***.
It is "a game"...he plays it.
[QUOTE=mph922;439010]I think part of why I find him overrated is also because I can never pinpoint a moment where he's stood out as being exceptional. He always performs well but when I think of the best, I think of guys like Landon, CT, etc. where there are moments that just went above and beyond. So to me, maybe I just think he's overrated because I don't think he belongs in that elite group, but is definitely just below them. Eh, I don't know if I'm making sense anymore. Either way, I can't remember anything particularly special about Mark.[/QUOTE]
Apparently some people need to rewatch both Battle of the Sexes, The Duel II and The Gauntlet 2. Hell, he even won a mission with Robin--Robin--while never finishing last in Exes. I don't know what people are looking for
Landon and CT are better but who else. Mark's easily top 5-10 and there's no legit argument against that from anyone that isn't biased or blind
[QUOTE=kvm1977;439014]Apparently some people need to rewatch both Battle of the Sexes, The Duel II and The Gauntlet 2. Hell, he even won a mission with Robin--Robin--while never finishing last in Exes. I don't know what people are looking for
Landon and CT are better but who else. Mark's easily top 5-10 and there's no legit argument against that from anyone that isn't biased or blind[/QUOTE]
Eh, you might be right. I guess I just think Mark is overrated in general, not necessarily as a competitor. Something about him bugs.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;439005]I agree although add Katelyn. I'm not even sure Casey is as bad as Brooke, Shauvon & Katelynn.[/QUOTE]
I think Katelynn's definitely in that group of girls but I actually think she's maybe a slight, tiny step above at least Shauvon and probably Casey and Brooke.
[QUOTE=mph922;439015]Eh, you might be right. I guess I just think Mark is overrated in general, not necessarily as a competitor. Something about him bugs.[/QUOTE]
Right. Nobody is saying he sucks as a competitor but he's not the Grandaddy of this franchise like everyone thinks he is.
There's more to this show than competition.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;439014]Apparently some people need to rewatch both Battle of the Sexes, The Duel II and The Gauntlet 2. Hell, he even won a mission with Robin--Robin--while never finishing last in Exes. I don't know what people are looking for
Landon and CT are better but who else. Mark's easily top 5-10 and there's no legit argument against that from anyone that isn't biased or blind[/QUOTE]
That's your opinion, I've watched every season, I don't see anything that makes him top 10, especially The Duel 2.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;439019]Right. Nobody is saying he sucks as a competitor [B]but he's not the Grandaddy of this franchise like everyone thinks he is.[/B]
There's more to this show than competition.[/QUOTE]
That has nothing to do with him being overrated as a competitor.
And "what he thinks" is irrelevant to what "people think about him".
We can spin this however we want. He's the reason Road Rules worked and lasted past a season. Him and Kit
[QUOTE=Youssarian;439002]This is probably unpopular opinion, but I actually think Jasmine is underrated. People on here think she is the next Casey/Shauvon/Brooke, and I don't think that's true. I think people are just blinded by their personal opinions of her. I'm not saying she's great or good, just that she doesn't suck as much as everyone thinks she does. [b]She was a cheerleader, so she definitely has some athletic ability such as agility.[/b] Her size is a major hindrance and she's not that great at endurance, but one thing you can say about Jasmine is that she always gives it her all. She never gives up and goes 110%. You can see this on the Auto Body Rally challenge on Free Agents. When they had to run from their car to the bike, she was BOOKING it. Granted, it was just a short sprint, but it shows you how much effort she puts into these challenges.[/QUOTE]
Nooooo youssarian we were on a streak of agreeing with each other until you said this statement! Cheerleaders are NOT athletic. I had a 5'8 200lb fat chick at my college who made it into cheer. If that can happen then I wouldn't be surprised if disabled kids could become cheerleaders.
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