[QUOTE=JL81790;438915][B]When's the last time Johnny slid to the finals?[/B]
Last I checked on this season he won four challenges and three eliminations. On Rivals 2 he won challenges, on Exes he won the most challenges and an elimination, same on Rivals 1, same on the Ruins, pulled 3 life shields on Inferno 3...Johnny's never slid.[/QUOTE]
Free Agents. He Beat 2 guys he had huge advantages over and Beat CT in a puzzle. Easy Peasy. He slid through just like he has in the past. Him being a good competitor doesn't mean you don't(or Can't) Skate by.
In my opinion Queen Evelyn is no doubt the best female competitor ever. With the guys is way closer and I don't think is as clear as to who's the best as it is with Evelyn. London, CT, Darrell, The Miz, Alton, all could be debatable.
Also, Cara Maria >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nany >>> Jessica
IMO Overrated Male: Kenny
IMO Overrated Female: Rachel
I don't think Mark is overrated at all. I don't think he's as good as the guys I mentioned, but I definitely think he's good enough to not be called "Overrated".
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438916]What is wrong with people?
How? And it was a partner challenge on top of it.
There's no logic here...none.
Darrell & Aviv still win FM even if she doesn't solve the puzzles[/QUOTE]
Darrell went from being undefeated to going home first. How is there "no logic" in saying that slightly tarnished his record? You're the one being illogical.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;438919]Free Agents. He Beat 2 guys he had huge advantages over and Beat CT in a puzzle. Easy Peasy. He slid through just like he has in the past. Him being a good competitor doesn't mean you don't(or Can't) Skate by.[/QUOTE]
So...then did anyone in Free Agents NOT skate to the final? Laurel had an advantage over everyone. Nany, Johnny R., and Devyn never saw elimination at any point and Zach only beat Brandon in a game that favored him. If Bananas skated, then they all did. And didn't you say after the finale that Bananas earned that win? How did he earn it if he skated?
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438918]By lost--you mean threw to Johnny
Not important to the franchise--BMP would disagree
Actually, Mark's the type of person you should love because he never did a bunch of challenges in a row but you're very inconsistent with your claims[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter if threw it or not. It's still a lost.
I never said I didn't like Mark and I've never really been inconsistent with anything. You just don't like my opinions.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;438919]Free Agents. He Beat 2 guys he had huge advantages over and Beat CT in a puzzle. Easy Peasy. He slid through just like he has in the past. Him being a good competitor doesn't mean you don't(or Can't) Skate by.[/QUOTE]
CT's supposed to be better at puzzles than Johnny.
Blame the ******* without a hand that threw himself in for the other.
He won three eliminations--that's reality.
Skating by doesn't alter if you're a good competitor. Being able to use strategy doesn't mean you're a weak competitor. This is all just nonsense.
[QUOTE=JL81790;438915]When's the last time Johnny slid to the finals?
Last I checked on this season he won four challenges and three eliminations. On Rivals 2 he won challenges, on Exes he won the most challenges and an elimination, same on Rivals 1, same on the Ruins, pulled 3 life shields on Inferno 3...Johnny's never slid.
"Slid" is someone like Rachel or Johanna on Gauntlet 3.[/QUOTE]
The Island and Rivals 2.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;438923]It doesn't matter if threw it or not. It's still a lost.
I never said I didn't like Mark and I've never really been inconsistent with anything. You just don't like my opinions.[/QUOTE]
You're inconsistent all the time.
Your claim that he's essentially irrelevant to the franchise is pure stupidity and you know that. You're not stupid which is why I get pissed when you act stupid
Also, and I don't agree with Debut's premise, but I'm not sure why we're counting Mark's elimination to Johnny as thrown. Obviously he has a history with BOTS2, but did anyone other than Robin say that it happened. Y'know...that Robin with the psychosis and extreme paranoia? We're taking that as fact?
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438926]Only when a picture of you is put on my mirror.[/QUOTE]
Why would you cover your mirror with a picture of another person?... Hahaha thank you for validating my point.
[QUOTE=toenails;438930]Why would you cover your mirror with a picture of another person?... Hahaha thank you for validating my point.[/QUOTE]
It went right over your head as per usual. That low IQ is really a problem for you.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;438919]Free Agents. He Beat 2 guys he had huge advantages over and Beat CT in a puzzle. Easy Peasy. He slid through just like he has in the past. Him being a good competitor doesn't mean you don't(or Can't) Skate by.[/QUOTE]
At the end of the day is not his fault that production gave those eliminations settings to him. He still went in and took the win.
[QUOTE=JL81790;438929]Also, and I don't agree with Debut's premise, but I'm not sure why we're counting Mark's elimination to Johnny as thrown. Obviously he has a history with BOTS2, but did anyone other than Robin say that it happened. Y'know...that Robin with the psychosis and extreme paranoia? We're taking that as fact?[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure every cast member knows he threw it to him
[QUOTE=TheBestBully;438927]Rivals 2 and the Island[/QUOTE]
So 2/10 then?
Are you saying CT and Wes slid to the end too? Because they legitimate won as many challenges as Johnny and Frank did (one of their three was thrown so they would win) and also didn't see any eliminations.
And Johnny was one of the people on the Island who actually earned the key that he got unlike a few of the others. Not sure how that's sliding. Robin slid. Jenn slid. Hell, as much as I hate saying it, Kenny slid. Johnny did not.
[QUOTE=JL81790;438935]So 2/10 then?
Are you saying CT and Wes slid to the end too? Because they legitimate won as many challenges as Johnny and Frank did (one of their three was thrown so they would win) and also didn't see any eliminations.
And Johnny was one of the people on the Island who actually earned the key that he got unlike a few of the others. Not sure how that's sliding. Robin slid. Jenn slid. Hell, as much as I hate saying it, Kenny slid. Johnny did not.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Johnny's by least favorite player ever (Jordan) and I feel as though I'm constantly forced to defend him
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;438880]Nany's pretty awful IMO. She has yet to see a win in an elimination round and is 0-2 with two decent competitors. (I don't know if you call Jonna decent though, she kind of blows.) When I see her step to somebody above average in a physical elimination round much like Jessica did, then I'll give her credit. As far as I'm concerned, she really hasn't shown **** in elimination rounds. I mean come on, she had the fairest playing ground in the elimination round against Cara Maria and Cooke, two really strong girls, and she still lost.[/QUOTE]
The only real elimination Nany has lost was with Jonna and they lost in a stupid elimination to a strong team. Her and Dustin killed that strategy elimination, her and Alton lost because he threw it but she still did good and she did amazing in her first final. I think Nany is one of the better girls especially for never working out and drinking all the time.
Also on seasons she always performed good.
On Rivals 2 her and Jonna came in second in most of the challenges
On Free Agents she won the most challenges and was one of the only girls next to Laurel to be moving the blocks and not just standing against the wall.
She is a pretty damn good competitor IMO.
Jemmye Carroll @JustJem24 Jun 19
@NanyMTV @MTVChallenge25 @jackiecost also karma is a real life thing. Nany's final appearance should have been in battle of the seasons
^^ So true. If Alton didn't throw it, Nany would most likely have a win under her belt already.
[QUOTE=JL81790;438922]So...then did anyone in Free Agents NOT skate to the final? Laurel had an advantage over everyone. Nany, Johnny R., and Devyn never saw elimination at any point and Zach only beat Brandon in a game that favored him. If Bananas skated, then they all did. And didn't you say after the finale that Bananas earned that win? How did he earn it if he skated?[/QUOTE]
He earned that win IN THE FINAL CHALLENGE. But him getting there was a cakewalk...And I guess you have a point. They all walked to the final but we're not taking about Zach, Nany, Johnny, Devyn, Or Laurel. We're talking about backpack.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438932]It went right over your head as per usual. That low IQ is really a problem for you.[/QUOTE]
Nothing went over my head. Your comeback was just lame, and I was mocking you. And, as always, you missed the point. It was my mistake trying to talk intelligently with an imbecile.
[QUOTE=JL81790;438935]So 2/10 then?
Are you saying CT and Wes slid to the end too? Because they legitimate won as many challenges as Johnny and Frank did (one of their three was thrown so they would win) and also didn't see any eliminations.
And Johnny was one of the people on the Island who actually earned the key that he got unlike a few of the others. Not sure how that's sliding. Robin slid. Jenn slid. Hell, as much as I hate saying it, Kenny slid. Johnny did not.[/QUOTE]
Yes, CT and Wes slid too. I already said the JEK usually slides by. Although Evan could go solo and go far (as long as he's in shape.)
[QUOTE=TheBestBully;438927]The Island and Rivals 2.[/QUOTE]
That's 2 out of 10 challenges. Using Debult Album logic then a lot of people skate through even if they see elimination rounds.
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;438920]In my opinion Queen Evelyn is no doubt the best female competitor ever. With the guys is way closer and I don't think is as clear as to who's the best as it is with Evelyn. London, CT, Darrell, The Miz, Alton, all could be debatable.
Also, Cara Maria >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nany >>> Jessica
IMO Overrated Male: Kenny
IMO Overrated Female: Rachel
I don't think Mark is overrated at all. I don't think he's as good as the guys I mentioned, but I definitely think he's good enough to not be called "Overrated".[/QUOTE]
I agree with what you wrote, I still think Landon is the best overall maybe his political game is not that great.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;438937]The only real elimination Nany has lost was with Jonna and they lost in a stupid elimination to a strong team. Her and Dustin killed that strategy elimination, her and Alton lost because he threw it but she still did good and she did amazing in her first final. I think Nany is one of the better girls especially for never working out and drinking all the time.
Also on seasons she always performed good.
On Rivals 2 her and Jonna came in second in most of the challenges
On Free Agents she won the most challenges and was one of the only girls next to Laurel to be moving the blocks and not just standing against the wall.
She is a pretty damn good competitor IMO.
Jemmye Carroll @JustJem24 Jun 19
@NanyMTV @MTVChallenge25 @jackiecost also karma is a real life thing. Nany's final appearance should have been in battle of the seasons
^^ So true. If Alton didn't throw it, Nany would most likely have a win under her belt already.[/QUOTE]
They still would have lost because Robb is a giant and he had a advantage in that elimination
It is such a slippery slope to start saying people didn't have to work for their elimination wins just because they're all around better competitors than the people around them. Under that line of thinking, the only way Laurel couldn't have slid is if Evelyn, Emily or Rachel were there, (or if Cara didn't have a broken hand). It just doesn't make sense, and discredits people for winning eliminations which are honestly never a sure bet (unless we're talking Laurel v Jasmine lol).
[QUOTE=Debut Album;438938]He earned that win IN THE FINAL CHALLENGE. But him getting there was a cakewalk...And I guess you have a point. They all walked to the final but we're not taking about Zach, Nany, Johnny, Devyn, Or Laurel. We're talking about backpack.[/QUOTE]
I guess my question would then be, what would you have liked him to do for it not to be considered skating (I'm genuinely curious). He tied for the most challenge wins among the guys (4), had the most elimination round wins (3), pretty much came in with zero alliance aside from Leroy who was never in a position of power, which is something you've said you wanted him to do, what more did you want? I think the top 5 athletes on that show were Johnny, CT, Zach, Leroy, and Frank. He took CT out, was never eligible to go in against Zach or Frank, and Jordan took away the potential for him to go against Leroy. I'm really not sure what more he could've done.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;438928]You're inconsistent all the time.
Your claim that he's essentially irrelevant to the franchise is pure stupidity and you know that. You're not stupid which is why I get pissed when you act stupid[/QUOTE]
I didn't say he was irrelevant. I said that he's not as important to this franchise as people think he is. He has some relevance but he isn't this big legend.
And please point out when I've been inconsistent.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;438942]They still would have lost because Robb is a giant and he had a advantage in that elimination[/QUOTE]
I disgree. It was close for Alton not even trying. Nany/Alton > Marie/Robb
[QUOTE=PinkRose;438933]At the end of the day is not his fault that production gave those eliminations settings to him. He still went in and took the win.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is faulting him for anything. The point is I HE HAD IT EASY ON THAT CHALLENGE! And that's something that can't be denied. Productions has nothing to do with it.
[QUOTE=riggins;438943]It is such a slippery slope to start saying people didn't have to work for their elimination wins just because they're all around better competitors than the people around them. Under that line of thinking, the only way Laurel couldn't have slid is if Evelyn, Emily or Rachel were there, (or if Cara didn't have a broken hand). It just doesn't make sense, and discredits people for winning eliminations[B] which are honestly never a sure bet[/B] (unless we're talking Laurel v Jasmine lol).[/QUOTE]
That is a lie.
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