[QUOTE=El Scorcho;433394]They do? I don't know about you but if Camila was never introduced to this show, I would not even notice. The "drama" she brings to the show has absolutely nothing to do with the game drama. That is the drama I look for, not random drama that serves no purpose to the show. I mean the meltdowns that Camila has had, I think one time it had to do with the game and that was on Cutthroat. On Rivals it was over messing up Jonna's name, on Exes it was because Johnny wouldn't give her attention, on Seasons I don't even know something to do with Brandon, on Rivals II it was because Johnny called her crazy (which is 100% accurate), and on Free Agents it was pretty much over a bar tab. 100% completely and utterly pointless cast member.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. If Camilla never came on this show it would be no better or Worse. She's pointless and she has no business on this show. I don't care how many fans she has.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;433385]Good for him for being around since 2009? That doesn't have anything to do with his baseless claim.
As you pointed out this isn't RW/RR anymore. The show isn't meant to tell a person's story like the RW. Fresh Meat have their place in The Challenge and it's exhausting to see the same nonsense being spewed over and over again about certain people being useless in their opinion. After a while enough is enough.[/QUOTE]
You're right this show isn't The Real World but it is CONNECTED to The Real World. know how? Because people that have appeared on The Real World also Appear on this show. The point of this show is to see people from THE REAL WORLD AND ROAD RULES interact and compete for money. That doesn't change just because the name of this show did. The Fresh Meat have tainted this show and because of them this show lost the very thing that set it apart from other competition shows..Seeing people that we "know" in a sense in a different situation, in a different light. I mean we still do see it. But Now it's no different than other shows because there's random people on this show competing(them being finalists and.or turning down The Real World is Irrelevant they never appeared on The Real World or Road Rules therefore we know nothing about them and have no back story making them random.)..Just like Survivor, Just like Big Brother, Just like Amazing Race etc.
The Fresh Meat don't belong on this show and I will NEVER accept them as castmembers
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433406]Now that Theresa flat out beat Camilla in a physical elimination, who do you guys think is a better competitor? Still Camilla?[/QUOTE]
YES, still Camila
[QUOTE=Debut Album;433426]You're right this show isn't The Real World but it is CONNECTED to The Real World. know how? Because people that have appeared on The Real World also Appear on this show. The point of this show is to see people from THE REAL WORLD AND ROAD RULES interact and compete for money. That doesn't change just because the name of this show did. The Fresh Meat have tainted this show and because of them this show lost the very thing that set it apart from other competition shows..Seeing people that we "know" in a sense in a different situation, in a different light. I mean we still do see it. But Now it's no different than other shows because there's random people on this show competing(them being finalists and.or turning down The Real World is Irrelevant they never appeared on The Real World or Road Rules therefore we know nothing about them and have no back story making them random.)..Just like Survivor, Just like Big Brother, Just like Amazing Race etc.
The Fresh Meat don't belong on this show and I will NEVER accept them as castmembers[/QUOTE]
Thank you for explaining yourself. I think the "point of the show" has obviously evolved from season 1.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;433421]On this site it is. You get attacked for having a opinion different than others.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say I attacked you, I simply disagreed with you're opinion and questioned it then gived mine, my apologies if you felt attacked by me
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;433409]Theresa said it herself that Camila's heart wasn't into that elimination. I'm not taking anything away from Theresa. I think she is a strong competitor but really doesn't have much to show for it yet. I hope she gets the chance next season.[/QUOTE]
Agree, I think Theresa is a great competitor, but she hasn't been able to show what she is capable of. I would still give the edge to Theresa on all four eliminations on Free Agents.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;433421]On this site it is. You get attacked for having a opinion different than others.[/QUOTE]
Because you are so delusional dude. When you lists your top 25 challengers that had the most impact in a challenge you seriously listed Devyn in there but excluded JEK. You should go check your eyes dude.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;433429]Thank you for explaining yourself. I think the "point of the show" has obviously evolved from season 1.[/QUOTE]
Not really. The show's concept and point remains the same in my eyes..But you may be right. This show now is basically "watch this unnecessarily extreme competition where Johnny Backpack walk to the end untouched and win!" And that's sad given the years and history of this show.
[QUOTE=DarkFights;433430]I wouldn't say I attacked you, I simply disagreed with you're opinion and questioned it then gived mine, my apologies if you felt attacked by me[/QUOTE]
Oh no it's fine. You don't have apologize. I wasn't really talking about you anyways.
[QUOTE=JayTee;433437]Because you are so delusional dude. When you lists your top 25 challengers that had the most impact in a challenge you seriously listed Devyn in there but excluded JEK. You should go check your eyes dude.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but those three destroyed this Franchise. I'm not putting them on the list for that. Sorry.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;433443]Inevitably by introducing Fresh Meat, cancelling RR, and removing RW/RR from the title, the show has changed in one way or another.[/QUOTE]
The show has changed the the point and concept of the show has not. I mean Yeah RR is gone and the name has changed and all that but it's still about seeing Various Real Worlders interact with each other and compete for money. That hasn't changed and it's the reason why I still tune in despite all these years and despite the damage the show has suffered over the years. That one simple concept still keeps me hanging on.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433406]Now that Theresa flat out beat Camilla in a physical elimination, who do you guys think is a better competitor? Still Camilla?[/QUOTE]
Did you miss her give up?
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;433451]Did you miss her give up?[/QUOTE]
Okay... what's your point? (Not trying to sound rude, curious what your point is). She gave up cus she had no chance of beating Theresa.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433453]Okay... what's your point? (Not trying to sound rude, curious what your point is). She gave up cus she had no chance of beating Theresa.[/QUOTE]
The fact she gave up means that she wasn't giving it her all....
I really think Theresa proved herself on Free Agents. She was always a good performer who got kind of overshadowed by others (Laurel, etc.), but I think she showed she's **** good this challenge. I know she didn't do anything crazy spectacular this season, but she did beat Camila who granted wasn't 100% but was still giving it most of what she had. I just think you could tell she was there to do work that season.
I honestly think she would've crushed the final, especially after seeing how well Nany did. I don't even mean that to downplay Nany's abilities, just my opinion.
If Nany would have ran downhill the mountain with Bananas instead of walking, ignore the spider, and not get off her bike to throw a ***** fit with the cameramen she would have beaten Laurel.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433453]Okay... what's your point? (Not trying to sound rude, curious what your point is). She gave up cus she had no chance of beating Theresa.[/QUOTE]
Camila had a chance beating Theresa in my opinion.
[QUOTE=JayTee;433467]If Nany would have ran downhill the mountain with Bananas instead of walking, ignore the spider, and not get off her bike to throw a ***** fit with the cameramen she would have beaten Laurel.[/QUOTE]
And if Zach wasn't a giant baby then laurel would have had a much better time......
Nany did good but people are forgetting Zach is the only reason it was close
[QUOTE=DarkFights;433296]Here's my Top 25 "stars" of The Challenge list
1- Mike Mizanin
2- CT
3- Johnny Bananas
4- Coral
5- Diem
6- Beth
7- Wes
8- Veronica
9- Katie
10- Kenny
11- Derrick
12- Evan
13- Landon
14- Mark
15- Abram
16- Laurel
17- Brad
18- Rachel R.
19- Evelyn
20- Julie
21- Theo V.
22- Camila
23- Timmy
24- David "Puck"
25- Paula
Honorable Mentions
- Ruthie
- Jenn
- Darrell
- Tina
- Emily B.[/QUOTE]
Just curious, what is your deal with Tonya? Like, why don't you think she should be on the list? I'm not even a huge Tonya fan, like at all, but IMO she'd be in the top 25. I know it's subjective, just curious why you don't agree with including her.
IMO she should be on it for her 180 during her challenges. She went from refusing to maybe get naked to flashing her ***** in the pool and shoving rocks in her mouth. Then she threw Beth's clothes in the pool, had the drama vs. The Mean girls, slapped Veronica, had the feud with Susie/Cara ("I Hate Tonya" club) etc. She definitely went down a dark path and it was very sad, but I'd say she's a memorable character. Just my opinion of course. Because you included Puck who only appeared on one challenge, and you had mentioned thinking nobody who appeared in only 1-3 should be included. Tonya boycotted his wedding!
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;433469]And if Zach wasn't a giant baby then laurel would have had a much better time......
Nany did good but people are forgetting Zach is the only reason it was close[/QUOTE]
I know, I was just talking about Nany though.
In my opinion I think Laurel is the greatest female challenger of all time. She is just a beast at everything. She wins missions, won every elimination she was in (beating people like Camila, Aneesa and Theresa) and always makes it to the final. She's good at endurance, physical and mental challenges. If there were no pairs in the Free Agents final she would have finished probably about an hour ahead of Nany and a day ahead of Devyn.
[QUOTE=Demetri;433468]Camila had a chance beating Theresa in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Whoever reach the rope first had the advantage, and I believe Theresa is faster than Camila, so she would probably win anyway if Camila was mentally stable. The only one I can see Camila giving Theresa a hard time is Oppenheimer.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;433469]And if Zach wasn't a giant baby then laurel would have had a much better time......
Nany did good but people are forgetting Zach is the only reason it was close[/QUOTE]
That was the issue with the Partners IMO if you got stuck with a weak partner in the wrong area of that final you were screwed, Johnny Reiley had Devyn and Laurel had Zach, I believe those legs were the longest and hardest and were what cost Reiley the final and almost cost Laurel.
[QUOTE=JayTee;433472]I know, I was just talking about Nany though.
In my opinion I think Laurel is the greatest female challenger of all time. She is just a beast at everything. She wins missions, won every elimination she was in (beating people like Camila, Aneesa and Theresa) and always makes it to the final. She's good at endurance, physical and mental challenges. If there were no pairs in the Free Agents final she would have finished probably about an hour ahead of Nany and a day ahead of Devyn.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, Laurel is a super well rounded competitor. I have trouble calling her the greatest of all time just because of Evelyn, but I think she's solidly behind her. She's just game dominant, and her focus is unreal rivaled only by....Evelyn's lol.
I've spent more time thank I should have thinking about how unfair it would have been had Zach sat on that mountain for 10 more minutes and cost her the win lol.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;433429]Thank you for explaining yourself. I think the "point of the show" has obviously evolved from season 1.[/QUOTE]
Nah ya think? The first season was real worlders only anyway.
[QUOTE=riggins;433497]Agreed, Laurel is a super well rounded competitor. I have trouble calling her the greatest of all time just because of Evelyn, but I think she's solidly behind her. She's just game dominant, and her focus is unreal rivaled only by....Evelyn's lol.
I've spent more time thank I should have thinking about how unfair it would have been had Zach sat on that mountain for 10 more minutes and cost her the win lol.[/QUOTE]
Eve has lost in eliminations and breaks down mentally when things aren't going her way.
Laurel just beasts it out all the way without even breaking a sweat.
Laurel would have carried Luke's weakass up that mountain on FM2 where Evelyn lost.
Evelyn has just been on more challenges than Laurel.
[QUOTE=Psy4potato;433420]List Of Non-5 Timers I'd love to see again that made some sort of impact, no specific order and did not appear on the last challenge:
1. Sarah G
2. Irulan
3. Emily B.
4. Jodi
5. Kina
6. Jillian
7. Ibis
8. Elka
9. Rachel B (B2NY)
10.Marie
11. Cara
12. Dave G (RRSP - no chance in **** since he's on Grimm)
13. Jeremy B
14. Colin
15. Ayiiia
16. Anne W
17. Ruthie
18. KellyAnne
19. Ashli
20. McKenzie
21. Tris****e
22. Davis
23. Pete
24. Melinda
25. Landon
Runner Ups: Shavonda, Angela (RRX), Blair, Aviv, Carley, Jeff (FM2), Dan (RRVR)
I know this is random, but my list of top 25 best players would have been random because I rank my favs on a lot of different things...Rachel would be at the top of the list followed closely by some RRX girls, Tonya, Veronica, Beth, Coral, and Katie :P[/QUOTE]
I tried to make my own list, including only people with 3 Challenges or less... but it turned into 29 for the girls and 25 for the boys (I had honorable mentions but figured this list was long enough already). Oops. Here it is, anyway.
Dan [Miami]
Nathan [Seattle]
Danny [New Orleans]
Lori [B2NY]
Frank [Las Vegas]
Steven [Las Vegas]
Mallory [Paris]
MJ [Philadelphia]
Svetlana [Key West]
Davis [Denver]
Ashli [Sydney]
KellyAnne [Sydney]
Cohutta [Sydney]
Isaac [Sydney]
Brianna [Hollywood]
Brittini [Hollywood]
Kimberly [Hollywood]
Ayiiia [Cancun]
CJ [Cancun]
Cooke [Las Vegas 2011]
Dustin [Las Vegas 2011]
Michael [Las Vegas 2011]
Frank [San Diego 2011]
LaToya [St. Thomas]
Marie [St. Thomas]
Robb [St. Thomas]
Trey [St. Thomas]
Johnny [Portland]
Emily [RR2]
Christian [RR2]
Belou [Europe]
Antoine [Europe]
Roni [Northern Trail]
Dan [Northern Trail]
Piggy [Down Under]
Ayanna [Semester at Sea]
James [Maximum Velocity Tour]
Ellen [The Quest]
Blair [The Quest]
Kendal [Campus Crawl]
Sarah G [Campus Crawl]
Cara [South Pacific]
Jillian [X-Treme]
Nick [X-Treme]
Dan [Viewer's Revenge]
Aviv [FM]
Linette [FM]
Carley [FM2]
Sandy [FM2]
Luke [FM2]
Noor [FM2]
[QUOTE=mph922;433470]Just curious, what is your deal with Tonya? Like, why don't you think she should be on the list? I'm not even a huge Tonya fan, like at all, but IMO she'd be in the top 25. I know it's subjective, just curious why you don't agree with including her.
IMO she should be on it for her 180 during her challenges. She went from refusing to maybe get naked to flashing her ***** in the pool and shoving rocks in her mouth. Then she threw Beth's clothes in the pool, had the drama vs. The Mean girls, slapped Veronica, had the feud with Susie/Cara ("I Hate Tonya" club) etc. She definitely went down a dark path and it was very sad, but I'd say she's a memorable character. Just my opinion of course. Because you included Puck who only appeared on one challenge, and you had mentioned thinking nobody who appeared in only 1-3 should be included. Tonya boycotted his wedding![/QUOTE]
Agreed. I think Tonya is one of the most important people to ever do the Challenge because she changed so much from her initial Real World season. I can't think of anyone who is even close, in terms of doing a complete 180 in terms of character. She was a conservative, small-town girl who made no real friends on her season because she spent most of her time on the phone with her boyfriend and didn't want to go out. Then, you see her on Inferno II, which was only three years later, and she was a completely different person. By the time you see her on the Ruins, she is completely the opposite of herself in Chicago.
No one even comes close to her in terms of much they changed once they saw a bit of the limelight.
Even though I despise Tonya because she's a junkie who I believed falsely accused 2 challenge legends of doing something that producers would NEVER let them do in front of their faces, she is definitely a Challenge superstar. Do I care about her in any way or wish her the best of luck for whatever she wants to do in the future? No.
[QUOTE=mph922;433470]Just curious, what is your deal with Tonya? Like, why don't you think she should be on the list? I'm not even a huge Tonya fan, like at all, but IMO she'd be in the top 25. I know it's subjective, just curious why you don't agree with including her.
IMO she should be on it for her 180 during her challenges. She went from refusing to maybe get naked to flashing her ***** in the pool and shoving rocks in her mouth. Then she threw Beth's clothes in the pool, had the drama vs. The Mean girls, slapped Veronica, had the feud with Susie/Cara ("I Hate Tonya" club) etc. She definitely went down a dark path and it was very sad, but I'd say she's a memorable character. Just my opinion of course. Because you included Puck who only appeared on one challenge, and you had mentioned thinking nobody who appeared in only 1-3 should be included. Tonya boycotted his wedding![/QUOTE]
after thinking about it yes maybe Tonya is a memorable caracter but I just never agreed with her decisions and actions in the challenge and if you didn't refresh my memory the only things i could of remembered about her is her being an alcoholic, her fight with Veronica and her feud with the mean girls.
As for Puck, he shined in his RW season and on his challenge season, I personally don't think that's enough but the fact that people are still talking about him after all these years being "The Original Bad Guy" or "The first CT" then he did something right
[QUOTE=JayTee;433510]Even though I despise Tonya because she's a junkie who I believed falsely accused 2 challenge legends of doing something that producers would NEVER let them do in front of their faces, she is definitely a Challenge superstar. Do I care about her in any way or wish her the best of luck for whatever she wants to do in the future? No.[/QUOTE]
Especially after watching the Ruins ***** They Should Have Shown, I have no doubt that Kenny & Evan did a ton of physical pranks on the girls throughout the season. Did they mean anything sexual by the prank on Tonya? I highly doubt it, but I can definitely see the possibility of the two of them doing what they were accused of.
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