[QUOTE=nevidcm;433353]Biggest stars only including people from Fresh Meat 2 until now: (I included Sarah since she is practically from this era)
1. Cara Maria
2. Frank
3. Laurel
4. Camila
5. Zach
6. Nany
7. Sarah
8. Jordan
9. Dustin
10. Theresa
11. Leroy
12. Emily
13. Marie
14. Jemmye
15. Jonna
16. Devyn
17. Knight
18. CJ
19. Cooke
20. Johnny R.
21. Jasmine
22. Jessica
23. Preston
24. Trey
25. LaToya[/QUOTE]
I don't think Cara is the biggest star of this era
If BMP manages to get Ashley to say yes so they can have Cory (I think there's a decent possibility that she never declined considering she always favorites tweets about doing a Challenges, and has been working out lately), we're looking at potentially 7 rookies making their debut: Jay, Jenna, Thomas, Hailey, Cory, Ashley, and Averey. That isn't a bad bunch IMO. Is there anyone you guys would rather see instead (excluding Brian & Jenny, as I think that is universally agreed upon). Should there be more or less newbies than 7?
[QUOTE=DarkFights;433368]I don't think Cara is the biggest star of this era[/QUOTE]
I feel like she is the most popular cast member of this era. A biggest star doesn't necessarily have to be the one in the center of drama.
[QUOTE=LurkerNoMore;433371]If BMP manages to get Ashley to say yes so they can have Cory (I think there's a decent possibility that she never declined considering she always favorites tweets about doing a Challenges, and has been working out lately), we're looking at potentially 7 rookies making their debut: Jay, Jenna, Thomas, Hailey, Cory, Ashley, and Averey. That isn't a bad bunch IMO. Is there anyone you guys would rather see instead (excluding Brian & Jenny, as I think that is universally agreed upon). Should there be more or less newbies than 7?[/QUOTE]
I would like to see Ashlee, Arielle, Bronne, Ashley L, Mike M, Trisha and Parisa, Simon, Baya and Scott. Obviously not on this season since a bunch of them don't fit into the theme, but I would like to see them on future challenges.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;433351]Explain how they are useless. I see you make these comments time and time again with zero substance to back it up.[/QUOTE]
Debut Album has held the same opinion since Feb. 2009 when he joined vevmo. He more than adequately explained himself years ago. He doesn't need to do so again simply because you've only been here for 9 months. I disagree with him, but understand his point of view that since the original challenge was named the "Real World/Road Rules Challenge," neither people from Fresh Meat 1/2 nor the Spring Break Challenge really meet the simple test of having been on RR or RW. It's not an illogical position to take, historically, but, since MTV dropped RR/RW from the name, I think the argument has become moot.
[QUOTE=V1man;433382]Debut Album has held the same opinion since Feb. 2009 when he joined vevmo. He more than adequately explained himself years ago. He doesn't need to do so again simply because you've only been here for 9 months. I disagree with him, but understand his point of view that since the original challenge was named the "Real World/Road Rules Challenge," neither people from Fresh Meat 1/2 nor the Spring Break Challenge really meet the simple test of having been on RR or RW. It's not an illogical position to take, historically, but, since MTV dropped RR/RW from the name, I think the argument has become moot.[/QUOTE]
Well said.
[QUOTE=V1man;433382]Debut Album has held the same opinion since Feb. 2009 when he joined vevmo. He more than adequately explained himself years ago. He doesn't need to do so again simply because you've only been here for 9 months. I disagree with him, but understand his point of view that since the original challenge was named the "Real World/Road Rules Challenge," neither people from Fresh Meat 1/2 nor the Spring Break Challenge really meet the simple test of having been on RR or RW. It's not an illogical position to take, historically, but, since MTV dropped RR/RW from the name, I think the argument has become moot.[/QUOTE]
Good for him for being around since 2009? That doesn't have anything to do with his baseless claim.
As you pointed out this isn't RW/RR anymore. The show isn't meant to tell a person's story like the RW. Fresh Meat have their place in The Challenge and it's exhausting to see the same nonsense being spewed over and over again about certain people being useless in their opinion. After a while enough is enough.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;433385]Good for him for being around since 2009? That doesn't have anything to do with his baseless claim.
As you pointed out this isn't RW/RR anymore. The show isn't meant to tell a person's story like the RW. Fresh Meat have their place in The Challenge and it's exhausting to see the same nonsense being spewed over and over again about certain people being useless in their opinion. After a while enough is enough.[/QUOTE]
Is it that hard to understand that people have different views from you?
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;433359]And? That is why she is perfect for these shows. She brings drama/is a hothead and always comes to compete. I qm confused as to why you assume she is hungry for camera time. [B]Especially when Johnny was poking at her the entire time on Rivals 2 and she was troubled with her father at the time[/B], but of course none of this gets shown. She should take a break though for at least 1-2 shows, but she shoukd definitely return.[/QUOTE]
And the casual viewer is supposed to automatically know that Camila is having daddy issues outside of the show?
How do I think she is hungry for camera time? Well I will explain. Plenty of cast members do it on the show but the two that I notice doing it the most are Nany and Camila. They are shown time and time again on these shows flipping out over the most ridiculous absurd things that as a viewer cannot honestly believe that females at that age act that way. I mean I honestly sit there and turn the show off when they are doing their antics because it just seems so forced and not genuine whatsoever. That is how I think she is hungry for camera time. Can you seriously sit there and tell me that if Camila and/or Nany had an issue with someone at their job in real life that they would seriously have an emotional breakdown like they do on the show? If not, then they are 1000% hungry for camera time.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;433390]And the casual viewer is supposed to automatically know that Camila is having daddy issues outside of the show?
How do I think she is hungry for camera time? Well I will explain. Plenty of cast members do it on the show but the two that I notice doing it the most are Nany and Camila. They are shown time and time again on these shows flipping out over the most ridiculous absurd things that as a viewer cannot honestly believe that females at that age act that way. I mean I honestly sit there and turn the show off when they are doing their antics because it just seems so forced and not genuine whatsoever. That is how I think she is hungry for camera time. Can you seriously sit there and tell me that if Camila and/or Nany had an issue with someone at their job in real life that they would seriously have an emotional breakdown like they do on the show? If not, then they are 1000% hungry for camera time.[/QUOTE]
But Reality TV needs people like those.
[QUOTE=TheKorean;433391]But Reality TV needs people like those.[/QUOTE]
They do? I don't know about you but if Camila was never introduced to this show, I would not even notice. The "drama" she brings to the show has absolutely nothing to do with the game drama. That is the drama I look for, not random drama that serves no purpose to the show. I mean the meltdowns that Camila has had, I think one time it had to do with the game and that was on Cutthroat. On Rivals it was over messing up Jonna's name, on Exes it was because Johnny wouldn't give her attention, on Seasons I don't even know something to do with Brandon, on Rivals II it was because Johnny called her crazy (which is 100% accurate), and on Free Agents it was pretty much over a bar tab. 100% completely and utterly pointless cast member.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433388]Is it that hard to understand that people have different views from you?[/QUOTE]
I don't think the differing viewpoint is the real issue more so the excessive repetition. Especially if this has been the viewpoint since 2009, no need for the constant reminder 5 years later every single time a Fresh Meat cast member is mentioned.
[QUOTE=Cashfl0w;433396]I don't think the differing viewpoint is the real issue more so the excessive repetition. Especially if this has been the viewpoint since 2009, no need for the constant reminder 5 years later every single time a Fresh Meat cast member is mentioned.[/QUOTE]
Just ignore him then. There are a couple people here that drive me nuts stating opinions as facts and acting superior to others, I just ignore it.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;433390]And the casual viewer is supposed to automatically know that Camila is having daddy issues outside of the show?
How do I think she is hungry for camera time? Well I will explain. Plenty of cast members do it on the show but the two that I notice doing it the most are Nany and Camila. They are shown time and time again on these shows flipping out over the most ridiculous absurd things that as a viewer cannot honestly believe that females at that age act that way. I mean I honestly sit there and turn the show off when they are doing their antics because it just seems so forced and not genuine whatsoever. That is how I think she is hungry for camera time. Can you seriously sit there and tell me that if Camila and/or Nany had an issue with someone at their job in real life that they would seriously have an emotional breakdown like they do on the show? If not, then they are 1000% hungry for camera time.[/QUOTE]
Not at all, but I don't think anyone here would be considered casual.
Are they constantly drinking and/or under high stress competing for money at their jobs irl? You are also seeing AN EDIT of ridiculous situations. As an example, on FA we saw Camila get into it with CT randomly, but we don't see CT getting personal with Nany which led to Camila wanting to step in. I'm lost as to how her and Nany's fight is considered nothing more than a drunken misunderstanding which turned out the way it did. For all we know, this has happened with others, but it doesn't make the edit.
Her Cutthroat meltdown was more than justified with how entitled Brad/Tori got. Her Rivals 1 fight was blown way out of proportion, again alcohol did not help. Seasons, Easy deserved everything he got and we already went over Rivals 2/FA.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;433399]Not at all, [B]but I don't think anyone here would be considered casual[/B].
Are they constantly drinking and/or under high stress competing for money at their jobs irl? You are also seeing AN EDIT of ridiculous situations. As an example, on FA we saw Camila get into it with CT randomly, but we don't see CT getting personal with Nany which led to Camila wanting to step in. I'm lost as to how her and Nany's fight is considered nothing more than a drunken misunderstanding which turned out the way it did. For all we know, this has happened with others, but it doesn't make the edit.
Her Cutthroat meltdown was more than justified with how entitled Brad/Tori got. Her Rivals 1 fight was blown way out of proportion, again alcohol did not help. Seasons, Easy deserved everything he got and we already went over Rivals 2/FA.[/QUOTE]
I'm not considered a casual viewer because I'm on this site, but I do not follow these people on twitter, Facebook, instagram, etc. so I have no idea what these people are up to outside of the show. How people know that Camila had issues with her dad while on Rivals II is beyond me. If I am this in tune with a spoiler forum and I didn't know that, how the **** do you expect a viewer to understand that.
And basically what it boils down to is she is extremely annoying, obnoxious, and painful to watch. There are plenty of people on this show that bring the game drama that are more tolerable than Camila. Cast them, and leave Camila out of it.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433388]Is it that hard to understand that people have different views from you?[/QUOTE]
No, it's not. I have a problem with users repeatedly stating opinions as facts.
There is a difference between stating, "I think _____ adds nothing to the show" and "____ is useless and should never come back." Not hard to understand here.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;433401]I'm not considered a casual viewer because I'm on this site, but I do not follow these people on twitter, Facebook, instagram, etc. so I have no idea what these people are up to outside of the show. How people know that Camila had issues with her dad while on Rivals II is beyond me. If I am this in tune with a spoiler forum and I didn't know that, how the **** do you expect a viewer to understand that.
And basically what it boils down to is she is extremely annoying, obnoxious, and painful to watch. There are plenty of people on this show that bring the game drama that are more tolerable than Camila. Cast them, and leave Camila out of it.[/QUOTE]
You assumed I expected them to know this for some reason. I was simply informing you as you thought she just decided to go crazy in Johnny.
And that is your opinion, mine is that she is great as a competitor and character. She can take a break and return better than ever.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433406]Now that Theresa flat out beat Camilla in a physical elimination, who do you guys think is a better competitor? Still Camilla?[/QUOTE]
Theresa said it herself that Camila's heart wasn't into that elimination. I'm not taking anything away from Theresa. I think she is a strong competitor but really doesn't have much to show for it yet. I hope she gets the chance next season.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433406]Now that Theresa flat out beat Camilla in a physical elimination, who do you guys think is a better competitor? Still Camilla?[/QUOTE]
I would still say Camila by quite a bit.
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433406]Now that Theresa flat out beat Camilla in a physical elimination, who do you guys think is a better competitor? Still Camilla?[/QUOTE]
I would say Theresa as of now because she has proved herself in this individual game. I think she could of possibly beat Laurel in the final.
List Of Non-5 Timers I'd love to see again that made some sort of impact, no specific order and did not appear on the last challenge:
1. Sarah G
2. Irulan
3. Emily B.
4. Jodi
5. Kina
6. Jillian
7. Ibis
8. Elka
9. Rachel B (B2NY)
10.Marie
11. Cara
12. Dave G (RRSP - no chance in **** since he's on Grimm)
13. Jeremy B
14. Colin
15. Ayiiia
16. Anne W
17. Ruthie
18. KellyAnne
19. Ashli
20. McKenzie
21. Tris****e
22. Davis
23. Pete
24. Melinda
25. Landon
Runner Ups: Shavonda, Angela (RRX), Blair, Aviv, Carley, Jeff (FM2), Dan (RRVR)
I know this is random, but my list of top 25 best players would have been random because I rank my favs on a lot of different things...Rachel would be at the top of the list followed closely by some RRX girls, Tonya, Veronica, Beth, Coral, and Katie :P
[QUOTE=thefinishlin;433388]Is it that hard to understand that people have different views from you?[/QUOTE]
On this site it is. You get attacked for having a opinion different than others.
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