The Challenge: Generic Thread

[QUOTE=kvm1977;429009]Put anyone in history with one of the worst females what would happen Wes-Casey is the exception to the rule and they still did horrible in every mission and awful in the final[/QUOTE] You discredit Camila's performance on Exes because she was paired with Johnny. Camila was the best female performer, not because of Johnny

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429012]You discredit Camila's performance on Exes because she was paired with Johnny. Camila was the best female performer, not because of Johnny[/QUOTE] Not at all. I, unlike you, look at everything. Camila performed extremely well as she's a great competitor but Emily was the best female on that Season. I think Camila would even say that. Camila absolutely performed better because of who she was paired with. That happens with most people.

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429010]Where does Johnny rank for you all time?[/QUOTE] To be quite honest, I don't sit on my couch and make lists based on an edited TV show. I think it's entirely arbitrary and there's no way to either a) avoid bias or b) weigh each facet of the game appropriately. I think in terms of playing a complete game (finals, challenges, eliminations, politics, social) Johnny is one of, if not the, best. I think putting a number on it is stupid. I think only counting individual challenges, and certain paired challenges that you're picking according to whim, is stupid. I'm willing to say based on body of work where I feel one person is better or worse than another, but pretending there's some way to create a master list that accounts for everything is asinine.

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429007]I count final mission performances, I just don't count the WIN STAT! Theo Von and Dan S were top tier competitors, in their prime, they could definitely excel in todays missions and final missions, don't be disrespectful. Do you think Johnny would of made it to the final three on either Battle of the Sexes challenges?[/QUOTE] Bananas from Rivals-Present would have definitely make it to the finals of both BOTS and win. If someone keeps winning finals then obviously that should tell you that they're good as ****. I can only see Landon, Darrell, CT and Frank beating Bananas in a final.

[QUOTE=JL81790;429016]To be quite honest, I don't sit on my couch and make lists based on an edited TV show. I think it's entirely arbitrary and there's no way to either a) avoid bias or b) weigh each facet of the game appropriately. I think in terms of playing a complete game (finals, challenges, eliminations, politics, social) Johnny is one of, if not the, best. I think putting a number on it is stupid. I think only counting individual challenges, and certain paired challenges that you're picking according to whim, is stupid.[/QUOTE] Aw, you're no fun.

[QUOTE=JayTee;429003]How the **** are wins irrelevant when they are 10x tougher than all the missions and eliminations of that challenge combined? Stop being delusional. Its funny how these kids that are huge fans of the old shows think people like Theo, Jamie or Dan S. would fair well in finals that are 10x tougher than anything they've ever done (Rivals, Exes, FA). Challenges back then were easier than the challenges of today. To discredit Bananas's accomplishments is just pure ignorance and idiocracy.[/QUOTE] ***? You think he's delusional? You're being delusional as well if you think the older vets wouldn't be able to do **** in the new age challenges. I'm not trying to be rude but don't discredit the older generation because you're wet for new blood. P.S. I love how you mentioned Dan S. And I'm sitting here watching BOTSE2 on my ps4. P.S. 2 You're referring to Miami Dan I thought you meant Nothern Trail Dan. ****. lkol

[QUOTE=kvm1977;429015]Not at all. I, unlike you, look at everything. Camila performed extremely well as she's a great competitor but Emily was the best female on that Season. I think Camila would even say that. Camila absolutely performed better because of who she was paired with. That happens with most people.[/QUOTE] Site the missions that prove Emily was better.

[QUOTE=JL81790;429016]To be quite honest, I don't sit on my couch and make lists based on an edited TV show. I think it's entirely arbitrary and there's no way to either a) avoid bias or b) weigh each facet of the game appropriately. I think in terms of playing a complete game (finals, challenges, eliminations, politics, social) Johnny is one of, if not the, best. I think putting a number on it is stupid. I think only counting individual challenges, and certain paired challenges that you're picking according to whim, is stupid. I'm willing to say based on body of work where I feel one person is better or worse than another, but pretending there's some way to create a master list that accounts for everything is asinine.[/QUOTE] Social game, challenge wins and final mission performances are irrelevant, I'm talking strictly about performance and overall ability. Now, is Johnny top 10 all time based on that?

Not gonna lie I think Emily, while I can't stand the girl, was awesome on Exes as well. I could care less about bigger and bestest though.

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429020]Site the missions that prove Emily was better.[/QUOTE] Site the mission where Camila was better when factoring in her partner. Emily can't control Ty's inability to perform. Camila would have been screwed with him and you know it. You just won't admit it because then you have to own you're an idiot.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;429015]Not at all. I, unlike you, look at everything. Camila performed extremely well as she's a great competitor but Emily was the best female on that Season. I think Camila would even say that. Camila absolutely performed better because of who she was paired with. That happens with most people.[/QUOTE] Why do you say she was the best? Because of her physique or elimination record? Before this challenge, Em was mediocre and she did solid on Exes, but she couls have done better. Obviously it is difficult because of it beinf a partner challenge, but I am not seeing how one could say Emily was the beat female that season.

So I'm rewatching Fresh Meat 1 and I'm checking the combine stats and good lord I thought these guys were going to be more athletic. Like Evan was by far the most athletic male, and he only ran a 5.6 40 yard dash. That is REALLY slow! I ran a 4.6 in high school and I wasn't even that great, bench warmers were running under 5.5s. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I would kill a challenge but are these guys really as athletic as we think they are?

[QUOTE=Nostalgic;429019]WTF? You think he's delusional? You're being delusional as well if you think the older vets wouldn't be able to do **** in the new age challenges. I'm not trying to be rude but don't discredit the older generation because you're wet for new blood. P.S. I love how you mentioned Dan S. And I'm sitting here watching BOTSE2 on my ps4. P.S. 2 You're referring to Miami Dan I thought you meant Nothern Trail Dan. ****. lkol[/QUOTE] I'm specifically talking about TheoVon, Dan Set and Jamie. I know Miz, Darrell, old school Derrick, CTizzle and old school Brad would fair well in the finals of today. But people give way too much credit to people that have only done 3 or so challenges and then completely ignore our king, our savior, the unstoppable force of Lord Bananas.

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;429025]Why do you say she was the best? Because of her physique or elimination record? Before this challenge, Em was mediocre and she did solid on Exes, but she couls have done better. Obviously it is difficult because of it beinf a partner challenge, but I am not seeing how one could say Emily was the beat female that season.[/QUOTE] She was easily the best female that season. Her only prior challenge was Cutthroat which she wasn't in great shape for and still was one of the top 5 girls. Calling her "solid" is just ridiculous.

[QUOTE=JayTee;429017]Bananas from Rivals-Present would have definitely make it to the finals of both BOTS and win. If someone keeps winning finals then obviously that should tell you that they're good as ****. I can only see Landon, Darrell, CT and Frank beating Bananas in a final.[/QUOTE] The Battle of the Sexes challenges required you to perform consistently well in missions and without a DQ. Based on analyzing Johnny's abilities, he would of not made it to the final mission on either on those shows.

[QUOTE=WesIsTheBest;429026]So I'm rewatching Fresh Meat 1 and I'm checking the combine stats and good lord I thought these guys were going to be more athletic. Like Evan was by far the most athletic male, and he only ran a 5.6 40 yard dash. That is REALLY slow! I ran a 4.6 in high school and I wasn't even that great, bench warmers were running under 5.5s. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I would kill a challenge but are these guys really as athletic as we think they are?[/QUOTE] Hand timed 40s have no meaning...they could be dead wrong. Evan has to run faster than a 5.6

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429022]Social game, challenge wins and final mission performances are irrelevant, I'm talking strictly about performance and overall ability. Now, is Johnny top 10 all time based on that?[/QUOTE] They're irrelevant to YOU. They're part of the whole package. Is Carmelo Anthony the best player in the NBA? He scores the most points...but he doesn't play defense or pass the ball very well. Making a list of who's the best ever based on one facet of the game is dumb. Do I think there are people who are better pure athletes than Johnny? No ****. But I think Johnny is better at the game overall than most, if not all, of those people, so I don't find a list like that to be relevant to anything.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;429024]Site the mission where Camila was better when factoring in her partner. Emily can't control Ty's inability to perform. Camila would have been screwed with him and you know it. You just won't admit it because then you have to own you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] Emily wasn't always held back by Ty, she performed poorly in Race To Altar.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;429032]Hand timed 40s have no meaning...they could be dead wrong. Evan has to run faster than a 5.6[/QUOTE] I don't think Evan could run faster than that I mean he never played football, he was a hockey player.

[QUOTE=JayTee;429017]Bananas from Rivals-Present would have definitely make it to the finals of both BOTS and win. If someone keeps winning finals then obviously that should tell you that they're good as ****. I can only see Landon, Darrell, CT and Frank beating Bananas in a final.[/QUOTE] Kenny too. Had Rivals been individual Kenny probably would've won it by hours.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;429029]She was easily the best female that season. Her only prior challenge was Cutthroat which she wasn't in great shape for and still was one of the top 5 girls. Calling her "solid" is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] What is ridiculous is saying she was top 5 in Cutthroat as if she was impressive. Huge gap between her and Sarah/Laurel/Camila/Jenn. I will never understand this Emily is elite talk and I like Em.

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429035]Emily wasn't always held back by Ty, she performed poorly in Race To Altar.[/QUOTE] Yes, she was held back by Ty Race to the Altar was about them being unable to find something in the digging part of the mission. You make something out of nothing all the time. It is laughable.

[QUOTE=JL81790;429034]They're irrelevant to YOU. They're part of the whole package. Is Carmelo Anthony the best player in the NBA? He scores the most points...but he doesn't play defense or pass the ball very well. Making a list of who's the best ever based on one facet of the game is dumb. Do I think there are people who are better pure athletes than Johnny? No ****. But I think Johnny is better at the game overall than most, if not all, of those people, so I don't find a list like that to be relevant to anything.[/QUOTE] They shouldn't matter to anyone with a brain! By including social game, challenge wins and final mission appearances, Kenny would have to be better than CT all time. I'm talking about performance and ability, that's what matters when ranking competitors based on the competition (not the social aspect).

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;429040]What is ridiculous is saying she was top 5 in Cutthroat as if she was impressive. Huge gap between her and Sarah/Laurel/Camila/Jenn. I will never understand this Emily is elite talk and I like Em.[/QUOTE] You named 4 Did you not watch Rivals 2? Emily's a beast. She's not Laurel but she's a beast.

[QUOTE=JL81790;429038]Kenny too. Had Rivals been individual Kenny probably would've won it by hours.[/QUOTE] Kenny made it to the top of that final with ease. He did not look tired at all for completing the hardest final of them all. I mean carrying a 160lb ginger in your back and still reaching the end of the 1st leg of the final 40 mins ahead of Bananas and Tyler speaks greatly of his abilities.

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429044]They shouldn't matter to anyone with a brain! By including social game, challenge wins and final mission appearances, Kenny would have to be better than CT all time.[/QUOTE] And, I think, as a COMPLETE PLAYER of the challenge, he is. He's not a better athlete, but he's better at the game.

Bananas is better than CT? Camila is better than Emily? what is this ****ery?

I'm confused: How did Lala know during the Battle of the Sexes 2 reunion show that Inferno 2 was the next challenge? Wasn't the reunion filmed like in January 2005"? Also, the Reuinion aired in February 05 so how did she know who was going and not going?

[QUOTE=kvm1977;429045]You named 4 Did you not watch Rivals 2? Emily's a beast. She's not Laurel but she's a beast.[/QUOTE] The gap between her performance and the other 4 is pretty huge. Yes, this hapoened after Exes. If we are basing past/future challenges, Rachel was the best female on Exes. She is indeed a beast, just not in the elite level.

[QUOTE=PaulX001;429044]They shouldn't matter to anyone with a brain! By including social game, challenge wins and final mission appearances, Kenny would have to be better than CT all time. I'm talking about performance and ability, that's what matters when ranking competitors based on the competition (not the social aspect).[/QUOTE] We can exclude politics and social game, but include everything else. CT and Kenny are both kind of on the same level imo but CT is a little better since he's won more missions and has clutched it when needed (except for Exes).