[QUOTE=SourWolf;409785]I didn't say you had to agree with me. Just because my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean I need to "stop and think." I am thinking, and the way I see it Theresa came off looking like a huge idiot. She painted a bigger target on her back by trying to pretend she didn't want to vote for Laurel. Before this episode Laurel was more concerned about getting rid of Aneesa and most likely would have stuck to getting rid of Aneesa first. But now Laurel is going to see Theresa as her main problem because she knows the girl wants her gone and will lie about voting for her to get other people to do it instead.
Also, the fact that Laurel ultimately found out (as if anyone couldn't predict that outcome) makes that entire charade she put on for her team completely pointless. It was dumb of Theresa to think she was going to be able to avoid getting any blame because somebody from her team was going to tell Laurel after she voted for Jasmine in front of everybody.[/QUOTE]
But, you're not...you're ignoring obvious things. This isn't an opinion. You tried to state it already backfired--for that to be true something would have happened--nothing has yet.
My guess is you just don't like Theresa because you're not using any logic. If Theresa voted in Laurel the only thing that changes is Devyn--Devyn is a non-factor here
[QUOTE=kvm1977;409798]But, you're not...you're ignoring obvious things. This isn't an opinion. You tried to state it already backfired--for that to be true something would have happened--nothing has yet.
My guess is you just don't like Theresa because you're not using any logic. If Theresa voted in Laurel the only thing that changes is Devyn--Devyn is a non-factor here[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's an opinion. Just because YOU don't agree doesn't make it any less of an opinion.
I don't like Theresa or hate her. She's just there to me. However, with how intent you are in defending her it's pretty clear you're a fan of her. Perhaps you're the one being biased.
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;409790]oh for ****s sake the CT/Adam fight was not that serious...CT was bleeding if I remember correctly! Adam got an awesome hit and then ran...not much of a fight![/QUOTE]
So CT ripping off a door, smashing van windows, and scraping Adams head on a wall was not that serious. Yup, got it.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;409795]I don't care what anyone says, CT threw a weak punch for having a clean shot on someone who's half his size. There's no way Adam should've even been standing after that. Overrated.[/QUOTE]
Then I guess Darrell threw weak punches for not knocking out Brad after 6 hits. People don't get knocked out as easily as you think, come on now and CT punched Adams eye not his jaw. If you want to knock someone out you hit em in the jaw so they get discombobulated since the skull rattles thus making your brain rattle. CT's not a boxer, he's a street fighter.
[QUOTE=JL81790;409773]CT railroaded Johnny on Duel 1, Gauntlet 3, attempted to on Rivals 2, and halfway did on Exes (putting him first on the last challenge when Johnny never did the same to him). CT has a lot less to forgive than Johnny does.[/QUOTE]
I've watched everyone single challenge since the very first one and I can honestly tell you that I can barely remember the names of any of them. However, I do remember CT's fight with Adam and how it eventually got him banned from the challenges. When I mention the railroading, I am speaking of CT's first challenge return after his banishment where he was teamed up with Adam (I believe). Johnny seemed to have some personal vendetta against CT and I recall that he did what he could to convince his "allies" to always send CT in for elimination. His actions seemed unprovoked and petty. So if any of the challenges that you mentioned are after CT's return, then I would argue CT's subsequent reaction to wanting Johnny eliminated are well-justified. They may have had past altercations (before CT's return), but I don't recall any where CT was as dogged and relentless as Johnny was in that particular challenge. So I guess we can argue back and forth about it, but I really don't have the time nor the memory (outside of the few challenges I can recall). We can agree to disagree and I'll agree that it's a two way road between them. Although knowing Johnny's personality, I can't say I'd blame anyone for disliking him and wanting him gone...
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;409795]I don't care what anyone says, CT threw a weak punch for having a clean shot on someone who's half his size. There's no way Adam should've even been standing after that. Overrated.[/QUOTE]
Watch out bro, I used this argument like 2 days ago and the nuthuggers jumped in. He's overrated and had the cleanest open shot ever and did nothing. Also he sucked today.
[QUOTE=JayTee;409809]Then I guess Darrell threw weak punches for not knocking out Brad after 6 hits. People don't get knocked out as easily as you think, come on now and CT punched Adams eye not his jaw. If you want to knock someone out you hit em in the jaw so they get discombobulated since the skull rattles thus making your brain rattle. CT's not a boxer, he's a street fighter.[/QUOTE]
Hes a street fighter? Lmao and you know this how? Street fights end up in more knockouts than boxing matches, you obviously know of neither.
[QUOTE=Viegasjuice;409812]Watch out bro, I used this argument like 2 days ago and the nuthuggers jumped in. He's overrated and had the cleanest open shot ever and did nothing. Also he sucked today.[/QUOTE]
How is CT overrated? He's arguably top 3 of all time, next to Landon and Darrell.
And oh wow one mission. EVERY challenger has sucked at atleast one mission.
[QUOTE=JayTee;409814]How is CT overrated? He's arguably top 3 of all time, next to Landon and Darrell.
And oh wow one mission. EVERY challenger has sucked at atleast one mission.[/QUOTE]
Ct has BEEN sucking. He's not been impressive at all and last year he skated. He doesn't get tested. Johnny is the best. Easy.
Ok since none of you band wagoners here will bother to defend Jordan I will. I think this is the place he is coming from: Johnny always skates to the end without having to face an elimination because he is either friends with or has flirted with half the cast. He then has a **** fit when he does have to go in. I think the whole "earning his stripes" meant this particular Challenge not overall. Of course Bananas being the ultimate ****** bag that he is gets all butthurt about it. Some of you (JEKFan..enough said) put him on a such a high pedestal for being as overrated as he is. He would not stand a chance against guys like CT, Landon, Mark, or even Zach one on one.
I felt so bad for Isaac even though it was kind of annoying he was trying to make excuses about the sand. He's obviously not a great competitor but I don't think he's as bad as Zach and Jordan say. I loved that Bananas said that Isaac had performed better than Jordan (and just as far as missions on this challenge I agree with him).
Also generally I hate Jasmine but I liked how she acknowledged that Laurel probably gave her that point and the way she left was really graceful I thought.
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;409816]Ok since none of you band wagoners here will bother to defend Jordan I will. I think this is the place he is coming from: Johnny always skates to the end without having to face an elimination because he is either friends with or has flirted with half the cast. He then has a **** fit when he does have to go in. I think the whole "earning his stripes" meant this particular Challenge not overall. Of course Bananas being the ultimate ****** bag that he is gets all butthurt about it. Some of you (JEKFan..enough said) put him on a such a high pedestal for being as overrated as he is. He would not stand a chance against guys like CT, Landon, Mark, or even Zach one on one.[/QUOTE]
Jordan is a cocky little *****. Almost ANYONE will kill him one on one
[QUOTE=Heelin';409811]I've watched everyone single challenge since the very first one and I can honestly tell you that I can barely remember the names of any of them. However, I do remember CT's fight with Adam and how it eventually got him banned from the challenges. When I mention the railroading, I am speaking of CT's first challenge return after his banishment where he was teamed up with Adam (I believe). Johnny seemed to have some personal vendetta against CT and I recall that he did what he could to convince his "allies" to always send CT in for elimination. His actions seemed unprovoked and petty. So if any of the challenges that you mentioned are after CT's return, then I would argue CT's subsequent reaction to wanting Johnny eliminated are well-justified. They may have had past altercations (before CT's return), but I don't recall any where CT was as dogged and relentless as Johnny was in that particular challenge. So I guess we can argue back and forth about it, but I really don't have the time nor the memory (outside of the few challenges I can recall). We can agree to disagree and I'll agree that it's a two way road between them. Although knowing Johnny's personality, I can't say I'd blame anyone for disliking him and wanting him gone...[/QUOTE]
OFf topic but it was strategic to go for CT on rivals 1 that was his biggest threat to the victory. Evelyn said it herself on the rivals 1 reunion she(as well as i and many others) felt they were all scared/intimidated of CT on rivals 1 so they wanted to get rid of him. So they got in Adam's head. Whether it worked is debateable since adam may or may not have threw it, but either way they successfully got in his head since he made amateur mistakes for being a "smart guy"
[QUOTE=Viegasjuice;409815]Ct has BEEN sucking. He's not been impressive at all and last year he skated. He doesn't get tested. Johnny is the best. Easy.[/QUOTE]
Last year he won the final. Exes he still got 2nd place, not bad for a smoker. Rivals he was the best competitor there and almost killed Johnny and Tyler. Cutthroat he made Johnny his backpack. Gauntlet 3 he made it to the end. Duel he was the best competitor there and smoked Brad. Inferno 2 he win the most life savers and made it to the end. Inferno 1 he was the best competitor on team Real World and made it to the end.
So again, how is CT overrated?
[QUOTE=Heelin';409811]I've watched everyone single challenge since the very first one and I can honestly tell you that I can barely remember the names of any of them. However, I do remember CT's fight with Adam and how it eventually got him banned from the challenges. When I mention the railroading, I am speaking of CT's first challenge return after his banishment where he was teamed up with Adam (I believe). Johnny seemed to have some personal vendetta against CT and I recall that he did what he could to convince his "allies" to always send CT in for elimination. His actions seemed unprovoked and petty. So if any of the challenges that you mentioned are after CT's return, then I would argue CT's subsequent reaction to wanting Johnny eliminated are well-justified. They may have had past altercations (before CT's return), but I don't recall any where CT was as dogged and relentless as Johnny was in that particular challenge. So I guess we can argue back and forth about it, but I really don't have the time nor the memory (outside of the few challenges I can recall). We can agree to disagree and I'll agree that it's a two way road between them. Although knowing Johnny's personality, I can't say I'd blame anyone for disliking him and wanting him gone...[/QUOTE]
I think it's a valid opinion to say that Johnny can and does get on people's nerves. Half of the challenges I mentioned were before CT got banned and are likely the reason why Johnny had such a problem with CT. On Duel 1 (Johnny's first show) CT told all of the guys to leave Johnny at the end so that he would go home. Then, on Gauntlet 3, CT and Big Easy lied to the Veteran team and said that Evan called Johnny out into elimination so they would all vote him in. Then came Rivals where what you mentioned happened, and then Exes and Rivals II where they were kinda friends but still went at each other. They have a long history but CT definitely fired the first few shots, and he should realize that Johnny would take a few back in return. But I think since Exes they have a friendly rivals relationship.
[QUOTE=JayTee;409821]Last year he won the final. Exes he still got 2nd place. Rivals he was the best competitor there and almost killed Johnny and Tyler. Cutthroat he made Johnny his backpack. Gauntlet 3 he made it to the end. Duel he was the best competitor there and smoked Brad. Inferno 2 he win the most life savers. Inferno 1 he was the best competitor on team Real World.
So again, how is CT overrated?[/QUOTE]
He's overrated in the sense people think he's some big bad ***, he's not, if that's all he could do to Adam what so you think would happen against zach?
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;409816]Ok since none of you band wagoners here will bother to defend Jordan I will. I think this is the place he is coming from: Johnny always skates to the end without having to face an elimination because he is either friends with or has flirted with half the cast. He then has a **** fit when he does have to go in. I think the whole "earning his stripes" meant this particular Challenge not overall. Of course Bananas being the ultimate ****** bag that he is gets all butthurt about it. Some of you (JEKFan..enough said) put him on a such a high pedestal for being as overrated as he is. He would not stand a chance against guys like CT, Landon, Mark, or even Zach one on one.[/QUOTE]
And you think Jordan's ******* would stand a chance against those guys you mentioned? And Bananas has gone into an elimination in almost every challenge he's been on, so no he doesn't skate like Mark. Bananas would outgas Mark and probably CT as well. Not to mention he's tied in most wins with a top 3 Challenge athlete, Darrell.
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;409816]Ok since none of you band wagoners here will bother to defend Jordan I will. I think this is the place he is coming from: [B]Johnny always skates to the end without having to face an elimination because he is either friends with or has flirted with half the cast[/B]. He then has a **** fit when he does have to go in. I think the whole "earning his stripes" meant this particular Challenge not overall. Of course Bananas being the ultimate ****** bag that he is gets all butthurt about it. Some of you (JEKFan..enough said) put him on a such a high pedestal for being as overrated as he is. He would not stand a chance against guys like CT, Landon, Mark, or even Zach one on one.[/QUOTE]
This would possibly make sense if it were remotely true. Johnny's done 9 shows prior to this one. Wanna know how many he's done where he's avoided elimination? TWO. The first of which was because he won life shields on the Inferno 3 (which was his 2nd show). The only show where he's never had to worry was the most recent challenge Rivals 2. On the SEVEN other shows he's done he's gone in at least once. If you notice Bananas doesn't get mad when Zach, Reilly, or whoever else vote him in. It's when a little ***** who hasn't done anything of note on the shows suggested that he needed to earn his keep. Johnny's more than earned his keep. And last I checked Johnny's beaten Mark one on one...until a source other than Robin's delusional brain says otherwise I'll keep believing it.
[QUOTE=Viegasjuice;409823]He's overrated in the sense people think he's some big bad ***, he's not, if that's all he could do to Adam what so you think would happen against zach?[/QUOTE]
So you're talking about him as a fighter? Nobody has even seen him actually fight without ppl holding him back so how the hell are you going to judge him after ONE drunken altercation with the whole cast and producers holding him back?
Logic, not even once.
[QUOTE=SourWolf;409802]Yes, it's an opinion. Just because YOU don't agree doesn't make it any less of an opinion.
I don't like Theresa or hate her. She's just there to me. However, with how intent you are in defending her it's pretty clear you're a fan of her. Perhaps you're the one being biased.[/QUOTE]
I just understand the difference between opinions and facts
[QUOTE=JL81790;409825]This would possibly make sense if it were remotely true. Johnny's done 9 shows prior to this one. Wanna know how many he's done where he's avoided elimination? TWO. The first of which was because he won life shields on the Inferno 3 (which was his 2nd show). The only show where he's never had to worry was the most recent challenge Rivals 2. On the SEVEN other shows he's done he's gone in at least once. If you notice Bananas doesn't get mad when Zach, Reilly, or whoever else vote him in. It's when a little ***** who hasn't done anything of note on the shows suggested that he needed to earn his keep. Johnny's more than earned his keep. And last I checked Johnny's beaten Mark one on one...until a source other than Robin's delusional brain says otherwise I'll keep believing it.[/QUOTE]
Nuff said.
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;409816]Ok since none of you band wagoners here will bother to defend Jordan I will. I think this is the place he is coming from: Johnny always skates to the end without having to face an elimination because he is either friends with or has flirted with half the cast. He then has a **** fit when he does have to go in. I think the whole "earning his stripes" meant this particular Challenge not overall. Of course Bananas being the ultimate ****** bag that he is gets all butthurt about it. Some of you (JEKFan..enough said) put him on a such a high pedestal for being as overrated as he is. He would not stand a chance against guys like CT, Landon, Mark, or even Zach one on one.[/QUOTE]
lol Thanks for calling me out :) Johnny is beatable but he has proven himself in this game and Jordan hasn't. Enough said. I haven't even ranted about how great Johnny is even though I can but I've just been defending him against Jordan.
P.S Johnny hasn't skated through...
Theresa was going to be targeted either way,she had no alliance in tact that she trusted. Why not make a move? she got the person in she planned, and got unlucky that jasmine went in. That is the unluckiest person possible for Theresa's plan. Was a good move. What master plan has Theresa done prior that has worked for her? the goal isn't to make the same mistake over and over the goal is to make the final she probably got tired of sitting around while her "friends' betray her and decided to make moves
[QUOTE=JayTee;409826]So you're talking about him as a fighter? Nobody has even seen him actually fight without ppl holding him back so how the hell are you going to judge him after ONE drunken altercation with the whole cast and producers holding him back?
Logic, not even once.[/QUOTE]
Stop defending it. I've NEVER punched someone clean and they not be absolutely done(either KO'd or barely conscious) give it up man. I'd consider him more of a sheer strength guy who would out wrestle your ***, but he's not a puncher, he's sucker punched a few and it's done nothing.
[QUOTE=Viegasjuice;409831]Stop defending it. I've NEVER punched someone clean and they not be absolutely done(either KO'd or barely conscious) give it up man. I'd consider him more of a sheer strength guy who would out wrestle your ***, but he's not a puncher, he's sucker punched a few and it's done nothing.[/QUOTE]
Your prime goal on vevmo seems to be to argue ct's punching power, why do you care so much? He hasn't punched anyone in a long time, get over it. You make fun of ctratings, you are about equal to that, but on the opposite end of the spectrum
if you don't feel davis looked hurt after his punch than that is your prerogative, this is not the thread for this convo so please focus on the episode
[QUOTE=Viegasjuice;409831]Stop defending it. I've NEVER punched someone clean and they not be absolutely done(either KO'd or barely conscious) give it up man. I'd consider him more of a sheer strength guy who would out wrestle your ***, but he's not a puncher, he's sucker punched a few and it's done nothing.[/QUOTE]
Oh I remember you, you're the e-statter. I don't even know why I'm replying to you but the thing is that if your judging CT as a fighter based on 2 drunk altercations (when I say altercations I mean just 1 punch, no actual fighting) then son you've gone full retard lol.
[QUOTE=JL81790;409825]This would possibly make sense if it were remotely true. Johnny's done 9 shows prior to this one. Wanna know how many he's done where he's avoided elimination? TWO. The first of which was because he won life shields on the Inferno 3 (which was his 2nd show). The only show where he's never had to worry was the most recent challenge Rivals 2. On the SEVEN other shows he's done he's gone in at least once. If you notice Bananas doesn't get mad when Zach, Reilly, or whoever else vote him in. It's when a little ***** who hasn't done anything of note on the shows suggested that he needed to earn his keep. Johnny's more than earned his keep. And last I checked Johnny's beaten Mark one on one...until a source other than Robin's delusional brain says otherwise I'll keep believing it.[/QUOTE]
JEK supporters have their own version of the truth I suppose. You conveniently overlook the fact that Johnny RARELY if ever has go face eliminations and overlook the fact that he uses friendships to his advantage (ahem, Paula anyone). How do you know what Jordan can and cannot do..this is only his second Challenge. And might I add, he kicked *** on Duel 2 even with a less than mediocre partner (Marlon, who is even worse than Johnny R).
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;409835]JEK supporters have their own version of the truth I suppose. You conveniently overlook the fact that Johnny RARELY if ever has go face eliminations and overlook the fact that he uses friendships to his advantage (ahem, Paula anyone). How do you know what Jordan can and cannot do..this is only his second Challenge. And might I add, he kicked *** on Duel 2 even with a less than mediocre partner (Marlon, who is even worse than Johnny R).[/QUOTE]
Johnny went in TONIGHT..focus on the current ...this is about free agents..Jordan was wrong Johnny has earned his stripes, or no way ct would be backing him up if he was some nobody
[QUOTE=jojorules;409830]Theresa was going to be targeted either way,she had no alliance in tact that she trusted. Why not make a move? she got the person in she planned, and got unlucky that jasmine went in. That is the unluckiest person possible for Theresa's plan. Was a good move. What master plan has Theresa done prior that has worked for her? the goal isn't to make the same mistake over and over the goal is to make the final she probably got tired of sitting around while her "friends' betray her and decided to make moves[/QUOTE]
yes she made a gutsy move, but it was a stupid move. she is a mediocre competitor at best. Laurel would kill her in an elimination and a final and she knows that. she should not have taken the cowards way out and switched her vote at the last second because that makes her even more of a fake *****.
[QUOTE=jojorules;409820]OFf topic but it was strategic to go for CT on rivals 1 that was his biggest threat to the victory. Evelyn said it herself on the rivals 1 reunion she(as well as i and many others) felt they were all scared/intimidated of CT on rivals 1 so they wanted to get rid of him. So they got in Adam's head. Whether it worked is debateable since adam may or may not have threw it, but either way they successfully got in his head since he made amateur mistakes for being a "smart guy"[/QUOTE]
Strategically, I can understand that people wanted CT out because he was a threat. That's why I don't personally care so much about everyone else voting him in. From what I remember of that season, Johnny seemed to make it personal, which was what bothered me. It didn't seem like strategy to him, it seemed like petty malice.
[QUOTE=JL81790;409822]I think it's a valid opinion to say that Johnny can and does get on people's nerves. Half of the challenges I mentioned were before CT got banned and are likely the reason why Johnny had such a problem with CT. On Duel 1 (Johnny's first show) CT told all of the guys to leave Johnny at the end so that he would go home. Then, on Gauntlet 3, CT and Big Easy lied to the Veteran team and said that Evan called Johnny out into elimination so they would all vote him in. Then came Rivals where what you mentioned happened, and then Exes and Rivals II where they were kinda friends but still went at each other. They have a long history but CT definitely fired the first few shots, and he should realize that Johnny would take a few back in return. But I think since Exes they have a friendly rivals relationship.[/QUOTE]
You have a great memory for this, I don't know how people remember all these challenges ;) Again, I'd understand it if they were just kind of taking pot shots at each other. But there was a large time lapse between CT/Johnny's last challenge altercation and CT's eventual return, right? I'd think it would all be water under the bridge by then. They might not have liked each other, but I don't think there was any type of action on CT's part that called for Johnny's single-minded determination to see CT gone. Even the situations you mentioned seem pretty minor in the grand scheme of challenge betrayals. Johnny's reaction just seemed out of proportion to what had happened in the past between them. Just petty and vindictive and what I feel was possibly fueled by the embarrassment of having CT destroy him in that elimination challenge. Well, if they're willing to let bygones be bygones, good for them.
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