[QUOTE=toenails;404633]No it wasn't.[/QUOTE]
Yes it was. The cast was Refreshing, The Challenges were less Extreme, The Drama was actually entertaining and fun to watch for a change, and it had some great eliminations...In fact one of the best ones was where Camilla and Eric lost. Because that meant that from that point on the game was going to be dictated by actual castmembers.
Actually come to think of it Camilla shouldn't have even been on that challenge considering she wasn't even Fresh Meat. I wonder why they cast her that time.
I agree with DA. Seasons [I]was[/I] a great challenge. The major glaring bad points were the loss of Team Sydney & the pointless, useless fresh meat team.
I would put The Island & The Ruins up there too. Those 3 challenges really showcased why & how this show took a wrong turn. Production also started changing up for the worst around that time.
As for Camila, like somebody said everything she does has already been done before, by somebody who does it 20x better than she ever will. There simply is not much of a use for her on this show, unless you love her "meltdowns" lol. I also think she is highly overrated, of course she looks great compared to Jemmye or Shauvon or Devyn.
[QUOTE=Graphik;404645]I would put The Island & The Ruins up there too. Those 3 challenges really showcased why & how this show took a wrong turn. Production also started changing up for the worst around that time.
As for Camila, like somebody said everything she does has already been done before, by somebody who does it 20x better than she ever will. There simply is not much of a use for her on this show, unless you love her "meltdowns" lol. I also think she is highly overrated, of course she looks great compared to Jemmye or Shauvon or Devyn.[/QUOTE]
Okay, we can move on from her drama/meltdowns since that's a mute point now, but how is she overrated? She hasn't even done a Challenge with Shauvon. She was the best female on the Red Team in Cutthroat, taken out by Laurel because she and Theresa were the second best team on Rivals, her and Johnny were the best pair on Exes, had she stayed longer, would have been the top female on Seasons with Sarah, and did consistently well on Rivals 2 and showed to be on par with Emily frequently. On FA, she performed the best on the first mission, even beating out some guys, and did surprisingly well with Preston.
Oh and Seasons 2 had thrown missions, people skating by and being pretty terrible, and had some of the kost unlikable people in Frank, Zach, Knight thinking they ran the show because they were given an easy ride. Not to mention the final was relatively simple. The best thing to come out of that season was Devyn. Not sure how FM was useless when one person held them back and had an actual storyline for their 4 episodes while NOLA did virtually nothing, same can be said for STT, to an extent.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;404665]Okay, we can move on from her drama/meltdowns since that's a mute point now, but how is she overrated? She hasn't even done a Challenge with Shauvon. She was the best female on the Red Team in Cutthroat, taken out by Laurel because she and Theresa were the second best team on Rivals, her and Johnny were the best pair on Exes, had she stayed longer, would have been the top female on Seasons with Sarah, and did consistently well on Rivals 2 and showed to be on par with Emily frequently. On FA, she performed the best on the first mission, even beating out some guys, and did surprisingly well with Preston.[/QUOTE]
She was on Cuttthroat with Shauvon but yeah Camila is a good competitor. I don't see how anyone can dispute that.
[QUOTE=Trigger7672;404670]She was on Cuttthroat with Shauvon but yeah Camila is a good competitor. I don't see how anyone can dispute that.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, totally forgot there. My bad haha.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;404666][B]Oh and Seasons 2 had thrown missions, people skating by and being pretty terrible, and had some of the kost unlikable people in Frank, Zach, Knight thinking they ran the show because they were given an easy ride.[/B] Not to mention the final was relatively simple. The best thing to come out of that season was Devyn. Not sure how FM was useless when one person held them back and had an actual storyline for their 4 episodes while NOLA did virtually nothing, same can be said for STT, to an extent.[/QUOTE]
Several seasons have all of that. So all of that was nothing new. And I don't see what's the problem with the Final challenge being simple..I mean these final challenges have been getting increasingly ridiculous and over the top. So it was refreshing to see that the final wasn't something you have to be a trained Olympic athlete to do.
And the Fresh Meat were useless. They had a storyline but it wasn't interesting in the slightest..And Camilla is overrated and it's was hypocritical of her to say that the rookies don;t deserve to be there when SHE HERSELF had no business there.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;404719]Several seasons have all of that. So all of that was nothing new. And I don't see what's the problem with the Final challenge being simple..I mean these final challenges have been getting increasingly ridiculous and over the top. So it was refreshing to see that the final wasn't something you have to be a trained Olympic athlete to do.
And the Fresh Meat were useless. They had a storyline but it wasn't interesting in the slightest..And Camilla is overrated and it's was hypocritical of her to say that the rookies don;t deserve to be there when SHE HERSELF had no business there.[/QUOTE]
People still tried to win the missions, even when they were in the same alliance-- see Mark/Robin vs. Johnny/Camila on Exes in missions. No, most of the people who skate by are at least passable or decent--Sam, Knight, Preston were not.
LMAO, Kenny killed the Rivals 1 final and is NOT athletic by any means. Again that all is down to opinion-- point is they weren't pointless/useless as they did have a storyline. How is she overrated? And no she was actually competing, compared to someone like Knight who sucked and there were already 2 completely thrown missions, where the other alliance didn't even try to compete in.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;404719]And the Fresh Meat were useless. They had a storyline but it wasn't interesting in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
Um, hello, have you heard of the word "opinion"? Just because you think something, doesn't make it a fact. You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion about the Fresh Meat, but frankly I'm tired of seeing it brought up in every single thread and reading your opinions stated as if they were facts.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;404725]People still tried to win the missions, even when they were in the same alliance-- see Mark/Robin vs. Johnny/Camila on Exes in missions. No, most of the people who skate by are at least passable or decent--Sam, Knight, Preston were not.
LMAO, Kenny killed the Rivals 1 final and is NOT athletic by any means. Again that all is down to opinion-- point is they weren't pointless/useless as they did have a storyline. How is she overrated? And no she was actually competing, compared to someone like Knight who sucked and there were already 2 completely thrown missions, where the other alliance didn't even try to compete in.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter how strong or weak they are. PEOPLE SKATE BY ON EVERY CHALLENGE AND PEOPLE HAVE THROWN MISSIONS ALL THE TIME. Why is it such an issue on Seasons then? Was it because they were rookies and only veterans can get a free ride to the end? Kinda like how Camilla did on Exes? Oh and she wasn't the only one competing on Battle of the Seasons either. Most of them were doing exactly what she doing. it's just they were rookies and in her mind they aren't allowed to play like the vets, Stupid *** Mentality. Everyone on that challenge had more of a right to be there than she did on the count of them having a proper season of RW. Point Blank
[QUOTE=Youssarian;404736]Um, hello, have you heard of the word "opinion"? Just because you think something, doesn't make it a fact. You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion about the Fresh Meat, but frankly I'm tired of seeing it brought up in every single thread and reading your opinions stated as if they were facts.[/QUOTE]
Some of the things I state ARE facts..Like The Fresh Meat(and Camilla) never having a proper RW Season..THAT is a fact.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;404772]It doesn't matter how strong or weak they are. PEOPLE SKATE BY ON EVERY CHALLENGE AND PEOPLE HAVE THROWN MISSIONS ALL THE TIME. Why is it such an issue on Seasons then? Was it because they were rookies and only veterans can get a free ride to the end? Kinda like how Camilla did on Exes? Oh and she wasn't the only one competing on Battle of the Seasons either. Most of them were doing exactly what she doing. it's just they were rookies and in her mind they aren't allowed to play like the vets, Stupid *** Mentality. Everyone on that challenge had more of a right to be there than she did on the count of them having a proper season of RW. Point Blank
Some of the things I state ARE facts..Like The Fresh Meat(and Camilla) never having a proper RW Season..THAT is a fact.[/QUOTE]
No, the problem was they didn't even compete. Sure the rules were done stupidly, but the oil wrestling missions is a perfect example of it. They didn't even csre to compete, just hand anyone from your alliance a win. In seasons like Exes, CT, Johnny, and Mark still competed when they knew one of them would win. Do you not think tour posts through? Camila and Johnny were the BEST pair on that season, winning the final, winning multiple missions, and always doing well. How did she skate by? No, Camila was actually competing-- was Knight or Preston? No, lol being on RW doesn't mean they deserve to be there automatically.
You have never worded it like that though, haha. You always post "THESE GUYS ARE NON-CASTMEMBERS!" as if it is a fact.
Debut just stop honestly [B][U]NOBODY[/U][/B] gives a **** about the fact that people are fresh meat but you and we know how we feel, we know because you can't go 3 posts without talking about we get it you hate fresh meat you don't need to say it all the time its annoying and unnecessary
[QUOTE=Debut Album;404772]Some of the things I state ARE facts..Like The Fresh Meat(and Camilla) never having a proper RW Season..THAT is a fact.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they've never been on a Real World season, but BMP included them on the Challenge and, thus, they are legitimate cast members.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;404778]No, the problem was they didn't even compete. Sure the rules were done stupidly, but the oil wrestling missions is a perfect example of it. They didn't even csre to compete, just hand anyone from your alliance a win. In seasons like Exes, CT, Johnny, and Mark still competed when they knew one of them would win. Do you not think tour posts through? Camila and Johnny were the BEST pair on that season, winning the final, winning multiple missions, and always doing well. How did she skate by? No, Camila was actually competing-- was Knight or Preston? No, lol being on RW doesn't mean they deserve to be there automatically.
You have never worded it like that though, haha. You always post "THESE GUYS ARE NON-CASTMEMBERS!" as if it is a fact.[/QUOTE]
That one mission was just one instance. Knight and Preston both compete. Are they good? no but they Compete just like anyone else hell one of them actually won a mission! And Being on RW does automatically means they should be there being that it's THE REAL WORLD/ROAD RULES CHALLENGE.
And Lets be Real here. She and Johnny may have been good but she wouldn't have made it nearly as far if she was paired with anyone else..except maybe CT. You're also forgetting that Johnny has "politics" on his side so she benefited from that too.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;404780]Debut just stop honestly [B][U]NOBODY[/U][/B] gives a **** about the fact that people are fresh meat but you and we know how we feel, we know because you can't go 3 posts without talking about we get it you hate fresh meat you don't need to say it all the time [B]its annoying and unnecessary[/B][/QUOTE]
Kinda like how people argue about who is the strongest male/female all the time?
[QUOTE=Youssarian;404781]Yes, they've never been on a Real World season, but BMP included them on the Challenge and, thus, they are legitimate cast members.[/QUOTE]
No they aren't. This show is for the Real World/Road Rules castmembers. The Fresh Meat don't factor into that at all.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;404784]That one mission was just one instance. Knight and Preston both compete. Are they good? no but they Compete just like anyone else hell one of them actually won a mission!
And Lets be Real here. She and Johnny may have been good but she wouldn't have made it nearly as far if she was paired with anyone else..except maybe CT. You're also forgetting that Johnny has "politics" on his side so she benefited from that too.
Kinda like how people argue about who is the strongest male/female all the time?
No they aren't. This show is for the Real World/Road Rules castmembers. The Fresh Meat don't factor into that at all.[/QUOTE]
No because unlike whose the strongest male/female, nobody besides you cares whether someone's a fresh meat or not
WOAH..I don't know where this hate of Camila started, because of her fight with Nany and C.T really... Uhmm HELLO it's a 40 minutes TV show they had to air 5 minutes of that fight so you really can't judge who was wrong and who wasn't and even C.T pointed that Camila had the right to be mad "Camila came to a point where she is frustrated and she will take out on anyone" sure It did seem attention seeking but to turn a complete 180 on her..
Please let's stop the argument about Fresh Meat not being cast members and that they don't deserve to be here; well they are now and the do deserve to be here in BMP eyes so get over it.
[QUOTE=DarkFights;404786]WOAH..I don't know where this hate of Camila started, because of her fight with Nany and C.T really... Uhmm HELLO it's a 40 minutes TV show they had to air 5 minutes of that fight so you really can't judge who was wrong and who wasn't and even C.T pointed that Camila had the right to be mad "Camila came to a point where she is frustrated and she will take out on anyone" sure It did seem attention seeking but to turn a complete 180 on her..
Please let's stop the argument about Fresh Meat not being cast members and that they don't deserve to be here; well they are now and the do deserve to be here in BMP eyes so get over it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about others but I never liked Camilla I just think she's crazy
[QUOTE=Debut Album;404784]No they aren't. This show is for the Real World/Road Rules cast members. The Fresh Meat don't factor into that at all.[/QUOTE]
Thats why It's called The Challenge now
[QUOTE=Debut Album;404784]That one mission was just one instance. Knight and Preston both compete. Are they good? no but they Compete just like anyone else hell one of them actually won a mission! And Being on RW does automatically means they should be there being that it's THE REAL WORLD/ROAD RULES CHALLENGE.
And Lets be Real here. She and Johnny may have been good but she wouldn't have made it nearly as far if she was paired with anyone else..except maybe CT. You're also forgetting that Johnny has "politics" on his side so she benefited from that too.
Kinda like how people argue about who is the strongest male/female all the time?
No they aren't. This show is for the Real World/Road Rules castmembers. The Fresh Meat don't factor into that at all.[/QUOTE]
LMAO @ them winning the Insane Games out of pure luck. Wow.....
No, I believe it is just called The Challenge actually. Wow, you're totally nitpicking because you realize she didn't skate by and actually did very well? People benefit and get lucky a lot on Challenges, it's a mute point to bring up. She also could have done very well with Mark or Abe. Even Ty improved and she could have seen a final with him, too.
Those arguments at least serve a purpose and are interesting to see why someone thinks "xyz" is a good competitor.
Maybe it once was, but once FM was made, it became open for another pool of people. This isn't rocket science or difficult to grasp...
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;404792]LMAO @ them winning the Insane Games out of pure luck. Wow.....
No, I believe it is just called The Challenge actually. Wow, you're totally nitpicking because you realize she didn't skate by and actually did very well? People benefit and get lucky a lot on Challenges, it's a mute point to bring up. She also could have done very well with Mark or Abe. Even Ty improved and she could have seen a final with him, too.
Those arguments at least serve a purpose and are interesting to see why someone thinks "xyz" is a good competitor.
Maybe it once was, but once FM was made, it became open for another pool of people. This isn't rocket science or difficult to grasp...[/QUOTE]
It's still The Real World/Road Rules challenges to me. doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. And The Fresh Meat aren't real castmembers. Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. and just because Camilla did well doesn't mean she didn't skate by. Strong people skate by all the time. I mean look at Johnny, Look at Mark, Look at Kenny, Look at Evan...all have skated by at some point. It was the same for Camilla.
[QUOTE=DarkFights;404786]WOAH..I don't know where this hate of Camila started, because of her fight with Nany and C.T really... Uhmm HELLO it's a 40 minutes TV show they had to air 5 minutes of that fight so you really can't judge who was wrong and who wasn't and even C.T pointed that Camila had the right to be mad "Camila came to a point where she is frustrated and she will take out on anyone" sure It did seem attention seeking but to turn a complete 180 on her..
Please let's stop the argument about Fresh Meat not being cast members and that they don't deserve to be here; well they are now and the do deserve to be here in BMP eyes so get over it.[/QUOTE]
Well more needs to be said about it because from that look of that. She just got mad for no reason and started yelling at CT.
The Fresh Meat are cast members. That is a fact. You literally cannot deny it. They are members of the cast, therefore they are castmembers. Let that sink in.
So based on what yall are saying the Are You The One castmembers will be up next (hypothetically speaking) & there should & will be no issue, since they'll be legit challengers. Let's throw some old VH1 stars and some Survivors/Big Brother contestants on there too.
If they are members of the cast...they are cast-members. It takes about a 1st grade education to understand this, yet some people are not quite grasping it...
I completely understand...but for all the times i've seen people go after Debut for not liking the Fresh Meat & Camila, there shouldn't be a peep if & when contestants from other shows come into play. The same people will be the main ones complaining when other people come on.
For the record: even though I don't voice it like he does, I really can't stand them either; save for most of the FM2 people, Aviv, Linette, Chanda & Johnnie.
[QUOTE=Graphik;404811]So based on what yall are saying the Are You The One castmembers will be up next (hypothetically speaking) & there should & will be no issue, since they'll be legit challengers. Let's throw some old VH1 stars and some Survivors/Big Brother contestants on there too.[/QUOTE]
No that's ridiculous because they are on there own shows.......
Fresh meat are cast members because they were picked to be on the show, you can't compare them to people who are on other shows.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;404818]No that's ridiculous because they are on there own shows.......
Fresh meat are cast members because they were picked to be on the show, you can't compare them to people who are on other shows.[/QUOTE]
All of them can go through the same process: "Cast members who were never on Real World or Road Rules". Why would one be more ridiculous than the other? Why come down on somebody for not liking the Fresh Meat when a good number of people here would be up in arms if they were to ever cast people from other shows?
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