[QUOTE=PinkRose;403266]You always need a good meltdown lol
To be honest yes she would just like Shouvan/Adam Royers they are the hot messes reality TV needs to get at least descent ratings. Plus unlike Adam her relationship with MTV is good right now. Don't be surprised if she is on the next cast.
She is NOT consider a liability on MTV standards. She didn't cause harm to anyone, damaged their relationship with anyone or cause them to get sue. Shouvan quit her Real World and 2 challenges. She still received calls after that.
She has a higher chance to be on the challenge over Joi for 2 reasons:
1. She wasn't wall paper, she was entertaining. Most of the episodes she was in revolved around her unlike the other one.
2. Her season is not the lowest rated on e in the franchise.[/QUOTE]
I would like to see her for the 1 or 2 episodes she will be on lol
[QUOTE=PinkRose;403275]She is not in bad terms with Wes, I don't know why people keep saying that.
she was foing seasons 2 with Dunbar on her same team, until her team was sent back to the states.[/QUOTE]
Well either way if she is on bad terms or not, I don't want her paired with Wes because I feel like they be easy targets early in the game and Dunbar is a ****** partner to have.
[spoiler]
The Challenge: Season 26- Working Title
This season the two reigning challenge champions from Free Agents (Johnny and Laurel) are the team captains and draft their teams.
Team Bananas:
Johnny (RW: Key West)
Wes (RW: Austin)
Leroy (RW: Las Vegas)
Tyler (RW: Key West)
Zach (RW: San Diego)
CJ (RW: Cancun)
Dustin (RW: Las Vegas)
Swift (RW: St. Thomas)
Nany (RW: Las Vegas)
Heather (RW: Las Vegas)
Nia (RW: Portland)
Averey (RW: Portland)
Emily (RW: D.C.)
Sam (RW: San Diego)
Hailey (RW: Ex-Plosion)
KellyAnne (RW: Sydney)
Team Laurel:
Laurel (Fresh Meat II)
Ashley (RW: San Diego)
Cara Maria (Fresh Meat II)
Jenny (RW: Ex-Plosion)
Theresa (Fresh Meat II)
Sarah (RW: Brooklyn)
Ayiiia (RW: Cancun)
Jonna (RW: Cancun)
Marlon (RW: Portland)
Dunbar (RW: Sydney)
Trey (RW: St. Thomas)
Jordan (RW: Portland)
Johnny R (RW: Portland)
CT (RW: Paris)
Cory (RW: Ex-Plosion)
Brian (RW: Ex-Plosion)
Format:
Each challenge will provide a winning team and a losing team. The winning team's captain is safe from elimination and will decide a player of the same *** to go into the elimination round, the remainder of the team then votes a player of the opposing team to face them. The losing team captain automatically is sent into the elimination round. The rest of the losing team will vote a player from the opposing team to face their team captain in the elimination round.
Example:
Team Bananas wins the challenge and Johnny votes Wes into the elimination round.
The remainder of Team Bananas (except Johnny and Wes) votes in Marlon from Team Laurel face Wes.
Since Laurel is the losing team captain she automatically goes into the elimination round.
The remainder of Team Laurel (with the exception of Laurel) votes Hailey from Team Bananas to go into the elimination round against Laurel. [/spoiler]
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;403328][spoiler]
The Challenge: Season 26- Working Title
This season the two reigning challenge champions from Free Agents (Johnny and Laurel) are the team captains and draft their teams.
Team Bananas:
Johnny (RW: Key West)
Wes (RW: Austin)
Leroy (RW: Las Vegas)
Tyler (RW: Key West)
Zach (RW: San Diego)
CJ (RW: Cancun)
Dustin (RW: Las Vegas)
Swift (RW: St. Thomas)
Nany (RW: Las Vegas)
Heather (RW: Las Vegas)
Nia (RW: Portland)
Averey (RW: Portland)
Emily (RW: D.C.)
Sam (RW: San Diego)
Hailey (RW: Ex-Plosion)
KellyAnne (RW: Sydney)
Team Laurel:
Laurel (Fresh Meat II)
Ashley (RW: San Diego)
Cara Maria (Fresh Meat II)
Jenny (RW: Ex-Plosion)
Theresa (Fresh Meat II)
Sarah (RW: Brooklyn)
Ayiiia (RW: Cancun)
Jonna (RW: Cancun)
Marlon (RW: Portland)
Dunbar (RW: Sydney)
Trey (RW: St. Thomas)
Jordan (RW: Portland)
Johnny R (RW: Portland)
CT (RW: Paris)
Cory (RW: Ex-Plosion)
Brian (RW: Ex-Plosion)
Format:
Each challenge will provide a winning team and a losing team. The winning team's captain is safe from elimination and will decide a player of the same *** to go into the elimination round, the remainder of the team then votes a player of the opposing team to face them. The losing team captain automatically is sent into the elimination round. The rest of the losing team will vote a player from the opposing team to face their team captain in the elimination round.
Example:
Team Bananas wins the challenge and Johnny votes Wes into the elimination round.
The remainder of Team Bananas (except Johnny and Wes) votes in Marlon from Team Laurel face Wes.
Since Laurel is the losing team captain she automatically goes into the elimination round.
The remainder of Team Laurel (with the exception of Laurel) votes Hailey from Team Bananas to go into the elimination round against Laurel. [/spoiler][/QUOTE]
That would suck for the team captains. So if the teams gets sick of them and think they can win without them (which they could), they can throw a mission, and then vote CT/Emily (or whoever) in... Cool to watch but would suck for them.
[QUOTE=JayTee;403259]Replace Jonna with Jenny from Explosion and add in an extra 2 people to have 30 people, preferably Thomas and Jamie and you have a GOAT list.[/QUOTE]
No way am I putting Jamie there lol
But Thomas sure
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;403225]Free agents
Who they should of had IMO
01.CT
02.Cara Maria
03.Johnny bananas
04.Sarah
05.Frank
06.Jenny
07.Darrell
08.Theresa
09.CJ
10.Aneesa
11.Issac
12.KellyAnne
13.Leroy
14.Nany
15.Cohutta
16.Averey
17.Johnny R
18.LaToya
19.Tyler
20.Jonna
21.Cory
22.Emily
23.Zach
24.Laurel
25.Jordan
26.Nia
27.Dustin
28.Camilla
29.Thomas
30.Ashley M
[/QUOTE]
Fixed, I put Ashley in there because I like her and I meant to put her in the first time.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;403333]Brains vs Brawn vs Beauty
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]Brains[/COLOR][/B]
Thomas Buell
Mike Manning
Brian Williams
Johnny Bananas
Wes Bergmann
Sarah Rice
Susie Meister
Jamie Larson
Jonna Mannion
Laurel Stucky
[B][COLOR="#0000FF"]Brawn[/COLOR][/B]
Abram Boise
Derrick Kosinski
Marlon Williams
Johnny Reilly
Dustin Zito
Emily Schromm
Devyn Simone
Katelyn Cusanelli
Ashlee Feldmen
Heather Cooke
[B][COLOR="#808080"]Beauty[/COLOR][/B]
Jordan Wiseley
Trey Weatherholtz
Cory Wharton
Kenny Santucci
Brad Fiorenza
Jenny Delich
Avery Tressler
Latoya Jackson
Camila Nakagawa
Ayiiia Elizarraras[/QUOTE]
Lol Katelyn sucks why is she on brawn?
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;403333]Brains vs Brawn vs Beauty
[B][COLOR=#FF0000]Brains[/COLOR][/B]
Thomas Buell
Mike Manning
Brian Williams
Johnny Bananas
Wes Bergmann
Sarah Rice
Susie Meister
Jamie Larson
Jonna Mannion
Laurel Stucky
[B][COLOR=#0000FF]Brawn[/COLOR][/B]
Abram Boise
Derrick Kosinski
Marlon Williams
Johnny Reilly
Dustin Zito
Emily Schromm
Devyn Simone
Katelyn Cusanelli
Ashlee Feldmen
Heather Cooke
[B][COLOR=#808080]Beauty[/COLOR][/B]
Jordan Wiseley
Trey Weatherholtz
Cory Wharton
Kenny Santucci
Brad Fiorenza
Jenny Delich
Avery Tressler
Latoya Jackson
Camila Nakagawa
Ayiiia Elizarraras[/QUOTE]
Laurel brains? She showed us last week why she's a typical dumb female competitor when it comes to strategy! Evelyn, Susie and Sarah are arguably the only smart female competitors when it comes to strategy.
Zito brawns? LOL
Cory on Beauty instead of Brawn?
Brad on beauty??
Ayiiia on beauty??????
No Zach, Frank or CT????????
I don't even.....
[COLOR="#FF0000"][B][B]Brains: [/B][/B][/COLOR]
Frank Sweeney
Johnny Bananas
Brian Williams
Wes Bergmann
Cohutta Grindstaff
Evelyn Smith
Jonna Mannion
Nia Moore
Emilee Fitzpatrick
Heather Cooke
[COLOR="#00FF00"][B]Brawn: [/B][/COLOR]
Cory Wharton
Zach Nichols
Leroy Garrett
Johnny Reilly
Marlon Williams
Emily Schromm
Theresa Gonzalez
Kellyanne Judd
Ashlee Feldmann
Aneesa Ferreira
[COLOR="#0000FF"][B]Beauty: [/B][/COLOR]
CT Tamburello
Dustin Zito
Jordan Wisely
CJ Koegel
Trey Weatherholtz
Laurel Stucky
Nany Gonzalez
Averey Tressler
Ashley Mitchell
Jenny Delich
There is a lot of people who are not doing another challenge, but this is a fantasy thread for a reason. What do you guys this about the cast?
[B]THE CHALLENGE: BRAINS vs. BRAWN vs. BEAUTY[/B]
[B]Location:[/B]
Dominical, Costa Rica-->Barcelona [I](Mission 10)[/I] & Sierra Nevada [I](Final Challenge)[/I], Spain
[I](I think they should go back to locations more often, there have been some amazing ones and when I think of this theme I think somewhere exotic and tropical would be perfect so I picked Costa Rica)[/I]
[B]Theme:[/B]
Team Brains vs. Team Brawn vs. Team Beauty
[B]Format:[/B]
- 10 missions. 10 eliminations.
- 1st place team [I](winners)[/I] of that days challenge are safe from elimination, win $20,000 in to their team bank account, and must vote 1 male and 1 female from the 3rd place team [I](last-place)[/I] of that days challenge in to the elimination called [B]"The Face Off"[/B].
- 2nd place team [I](runner-ups)[/I] of that days challenge must vote 1 male and 1 female from their team into [B]"The Face Off"[/B]
- [B]"The Face Off"[/B] will be Guy vs. Guy & Girl vs. Girl; winners stay in the game and rejoin their team and losers go home emptied handed.
1st place team: $150,000
2nd & 3rd place team: Only money from their team bank account
[B]Cast[/B]
[COLOR="#0000CD"][B]TEAM BRAINS[/B]
Brian Williams [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Cohutta Grindstaff [I](RW: Sydney)[/I]
Jordan Wiseley [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Tyler Duckworth [I](RW: Key West)[/I]
Wes Bergmann [I](RW: Austin)[/I]
Devyn Simone [I](RW: Brooklyn)[/I]
Jenny Delich [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Jonna Mannion [I](RW: Cancun)[/I]
Nia Moore [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Sarah Rice [I](RW: Brooklyn)[/I][/COLOR]
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[COLOR="#000000"][B]TEAM BRAWN[/B]
Brad Fiorenza [I](RW: San Diego 2004)[/I]
Darrell Taylor [I](RR: Campus Crawl)[/I]
Ryan "Knight" [I](RW: New Orleans 2010)[/I]
Thomas Buell [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Zach Nicholas [I](RW: San Diego 2011)[/I]
Camila Nagawaka [I](Spring Break Challenge)[/I]
Jamie Larson [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Jessica McCain [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Robin Hibbard-Coulter [I](RW: San Diego 2004)[/I]
Theresa Gonzalez [I](Fresh Meat II)[/I][/COLOR]
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[COLOR="#FF0000"][B]TEAM BEAUTY[/B]
Cory Wharton [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
CT Tamburello [I](RW: Paris)[/I]
Johnny Riley [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Mark Long [I](RR: The First Adventure)[/I]
Marlon Williams [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Ashley Mitchell [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Averey Tressler [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
KellyAnne Judd [I](RW: Sydney)[/I]
LaToya Jackson [I](RW: St. Thomas)[/I]
Nany Gonzalez [I](RW: Las Vegas 2011)[/I][/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=JayTee;403358]Laurel brains? She showed us last week why she's a typical dumb female competitor when it comes to strategy! Evelyn, Susie and Sarah are arguably the only smart female competitors when it comes to strategy.
Zito brawns? LOL
Cory on Beauty instead of Brawn?
Brad on beauty??
Ayiiia on beauty??????
No Zach, Frank or CT????????
I don't even.....[/QUOTE]
I'm tired of CT, Zach is boring, and Frank is blah to me. Ayiia is beautiful, and Cory is a pretty boy. Besides, don't take it so literal... have you seen Survivor's cast list for BvBvB?
Okay, I actually really like the entire thing, I just have one question... Why the heck is Jenny on Brains?!
IMO... I know it's your cast and you can do what you want. And I know this format is tricky with people fitting into so many categories... but I'd switch Jamie and Jenny around.
[QUOTE=Youssarian;403975]Okay, I actually really like the entire thing, I just have one question... Why the heck is Jenny on Brains?!
IMO... I know it's your cast and you can do what you want. And I know this format is tricky with people fitting into so many categories... but I'd switch Jamie and Jenny around.[/QUOTE]
Jamie is not a brain though! I thought about it long and hard but she is no brain, just a drunk full! Shes really not a brawn either but whats a challenge without a stretch.
My definition of a Brawn is strong but not that smart. Cory and Thomas was the same thing but Thomas got the "dumber" edit so he is a Brawn and Cory got the "hot guy" edit so he is Beauty. I took editing in to play for many of these people.
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;403989]Jamie is not a brain though! I thought about it long and hard but she is no brain, just a drunk full! Shes really not a brawn either but whats a challenge without a stretch.
My definition of a Brawn is strong but not that smart. Cory and Thomas was the same thing but Thomas got the "dumber" edit so he is a Brawn and Cory got the "hot guy" edit so he is Beauty. I took editing in to play for many of these people.[/QUOTE]
I actually think Jamie proved to be more intelligent than Jenny. I'm really not seeing how Jenny can be made into a Brain - at ALL. I actually think her edit made her seem a little dumb, though I do really like her.
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;403925][B]THE CHALLENGE: BRAINS vs. BRAWN vs. BEAUTY[/B]
[B]Location:[/B]
Dominical, Costa Rica-->Barcelona [I](Mission 10)[/I] & Sierra Nevada [I](Final Challenge)[/I], Spain
[I](I think they should go back to locations more often, there have been some amazing ones and when I think of this theme I think somewhere exotic and tropical would be perfect so I picked Costa Rica)[/I]
[B]Theme:[/B]
Team Brains vs. Team Brawn vs. Team Beauty
[B]Format:[/B]
- 10 missions. 10 eliminations.
- 1st place team [I](winners)[/I] of that days challenge are safe from elimination, win $20,000 in to their team bank account, and must vote 1 male and 1 female from the 3rd place team [I](last-place)[/I] of that days challenge in to the elimination called [B]"The Face Off"[/B].
- 2nd place team [I](runner-ups)[/I] of that days challenge must vote 1 male and 1 female from their team into [B]"The Face Off"[/B]
- [B]"The Face Off"[/B] will be Guy vs. Guy & Girl vs. Girl; winners stay in the game and rejoin their team and losers go home emptied handed.
1st place team: $150,000
2nd & 3rd place team: Only money from their team bank account
[B]Cast[/B]
[COLOR="#0000CD"][B]TEAM BRAINS[/B]
Brian Williams [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Cohutta Grindstaff [I](RW: Sydney)[/I]
Jordan Wiseley [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Tyler Duckworth [I](RW: Key West)[/I]
Wes Bergmann [I](RW: Austin)[/I]
Devyn Simone [I](RW: Brooklyn)[/I]
Jenny Delich [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Jonna Mannion [I](RW: Cancun)[/I]
Nia Moore [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Sarah Rice [I](RW: Brooklyn)[/I][/COLOR]
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[COLOR="#000000"][B]TEAM BRAWN[/B]
Brad Fiorenza [I](RW: San Diego 2004)[/I]
Darrell Taylor [I](RR: Campus Crawl)[/I]
Ryan "Knight" [I](RW: New Orleans 2010)[/I]
Thomas Buell [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Zach Nicholas [I](RW: San Diego 2011)[/I]
Camila Nagawaka [I](Spring Break Challenge)[/I]
Jamie Larson [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Jessica McCain [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Robin Hibbard-Coulter [I](RW: San Diego 2004)[/I]
Theresa Gonzalez [I](Fresh Meat II)[/I][/COLOR]
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[COLOR="#FF0000"][B]TEAM BEAUTY[/B]
Cory Wharton [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
CT Tamburello [I](RW: Paris)[/I]
Johnny Riley [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Mark Long [I](RR: The First Adventure)[/I]
Marlon Williams [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
Ashley Mitchell [I](RW: Ex-Plosion)[/I]
Averey Tressler [I](RW: Portland)[/I]
KellyAnne Judd [I](RW: Sydney)[/I]
LaToya Jackson [I](RW: St. Thomas)[/I]
Nany Gonzalez [I](RW: Las Vegas 2011)[/I][/COLOR]
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Jenny isn't smart...... and robin has never done anything physical
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;404032]Jenny isn't smart...... and robin has never done anything physical[/QUOTE]
I made changes.
Jenny is Brawn
Jamie is Brains
Cory is Brawn
Thomas is Beauty
Robin is staying Brawn though.
With formats like this, you can't always get what you want.
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;404039]I made changes.
Jenny is Brawn
Jamie is Brains
Cory is Brawn
Thomas is Beauty
Robin is staying Brawn though.
With formats like this, you can't always get what you want.[/QUOTE]
I would've been fine with Cory/Thomas being where they are, but they both fit both categories so it works. I can see Robin on Brawn. Where else would she go? The only thing I was just plain confused about was Jenny.
[QUOTE=Youssarian;404066]I would've been fine with Cory/Thomas being where they are, but they both fit both categories so it works. I can see Robin on Brawn. Where else would she go? The only thing I was just plain confused about was Jenny.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I understood your confusion. And your totally right about Robin.
I mean its not like this will really be the next challenge, although it should lol. It would be pretty epic :)
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;404039]I made changes.
Jenny is Brawn
Jamie is Brains
Cory is Brawn
Thomas is Beauty
Robin is staying Brawn though.
With formats like this, you can't always get what you want.[/QUOTE]
Don't make changes, it's YOUR fantasy cast list. They can make their own...
[QUOTE=Youssarian;404066]I would've been fine with Cory/Thomas being where they are, but they both fit both categories so it works. I can see Robin on Brawn. Where else would she go? The only thing I was just plain confused about was Jenny.[/QUOTE]
Her edit was definitely "dumb, blonde, ******, bimbo" but based on interviews, I'd say Jenny is could be a "Brain" as well as "Beauty", and maybe even "Brawn".
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;404077]Her edit was definitely "dumb, blonde, ******, bimbo" but based on interviews, I'd say Jenny is could be a "Brain" as well as "Beauty", and maybe even "Brawn".[/QUOTE]
Very true but if she was a Brawn they could show that good ole round house kick she gave Brian as her flashback while shes talking haha
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;404076]Don't make changes, it's YOUR fantasy cast list. They can make their own...[/QUOTE]
This is true. I wasn't trying to tell Livewitpeace "you need to change this", but rather I was just pointing out a flaw I saw. Well, it could or couldn't be a flaw. I don't know. I was just very confused and wanted an explanation.
[QUOTE=Youssarian;404080]This is true. I wasn't trying to tell Livewitpeace "you need to change this", but rather I was just pointing out a flaw I saw. Well, it could or couldn't be a flaw. I don't know. I was just very confused and wanted an explanation.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, people forget that BMP aren't too literal with their themes. They had Camila on "Seasons", Nate/Priscilla on "Exes", and Leroy/Ty on "Rivals". So if we're being realistic, stretches will be made..
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;404086]The thing is, people forget that BMP aren't too literal with their themes. They had Camila on "Seasons", Nate/Priscilla on "Exes", and Leroy/Ty on "Rivals". So if we're being realistic, stretches will be made..[/QUOTE]
The list could go on with stretches but mine actually wasn't bad. I just took who I think they would put on the challenge next season and then place them where I think they go.
I really liked the revamped Island format I came up with, so I thought I'd make a new cast for it:
[B][U]The Challenge: The Island II[/U][/B]
Guangzhou, China
Four preliminary teams (vet/rookie men and women) will compete in a daily challenge. One team of each gender will win, losing teams then must vote off one member of their team. The male and female players voted off will then select one player of the winning team to face off against on The Island. Once decisions are made, that day's winning teams will deliberate and decide what elimination games will be played on the island for each gender. The elimination games are based on/inspired by the Chinese Wu Xing (五行 five elements or five virtues): Fire, Water, Earth, Wood, and Metal. Eliminations are Exile styled in the sense that only the competitors will be present, no spectators. The winners on the Island will return to the game, but not necessarily to their original team. As the reward (or burden) for winning the mission the day before, the winning teams will be joined by that night's elimination winners. (Ex. Vet Girls win, rookies vote out Jenna. Jenna selects Jonna as her opponent. If Jonna wins, she stays on her team, if Jenna wins, she takes Jonna's place on the vet team.)
[B][U]Elimination Games:[/U][/B]
[COLOR="#DAA520"][B]Earth[/B] (土):[/COLOR] Mud wrestling competition to retrieve numerous idols; similar to Ball Brawl.
[COLOR="#0000FF"][B]Water[/B] (水):[/COLOR] While trapped inside of a water filled tank with limited air space, players must solve a puzzle located at the bottom of the tank that once completed will cause the walls of the tank to collapse releasing both the player and water.
[COLOR="#FF0000"][B]Fire[/B] (火):[/COLOR] Revamped and more complex Hanging By A Thread (possibly a hybrid with Spool to make it more of an obstacle course) where players burn through a series of ropes.
[B][COLOR="#008000"]Wood[/B] (木):[/COLOR] A duel on an elevated platform where players attempt to knock one another off using bamboo swords and shields.
[B][COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Metal[/B] (金):[/COLOR] Hardcore [URL="http://zorb.com/world/"]zorbing[/URL]. Placed inside of a metal sphere, players will attempt to roll it into a goal 5 times while smashing into their opponent to prevent them from scoring along the way. Done in offensive/defensive rounds like Balls In.
[COLOR="#0000CD"][B]Veteran Men:[/B]
CT
Dan
Danny
Darrell
Derrick
Knight
Mark
Nehemiah[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"][B]Veteran Women:[/B]
Aneesa
Cara Maria
Jonna
KellyAnne
Laurel
Melinda
Ruthie
Sarah[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFD700"][B]Rookie Men:[/B]
Brian
Bronne
Cory
Jay
Johnny R
Scott
Simon
Swift[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#800080"][B]Rookie Women:[/B]
Ashley K
Averey
Baya
Jenna
Jenny
Joi
Leah
Mallory[/COLOR]
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