[QUOTE=JL81790;387350][B]Had Rival 1's[/B] final been an individual competition Kenny would have not only won, but massacred the other 5 guys running the final, one of whom is also a marathon runner. Finals are only one part of the game but that fact alone puts him above average.[/QUOTE]
He wouldn't have made it to the final lol Brandon Nelson would have destroyed him in that elimination round
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387352]He wouldn't have made it to the final lol Brandon Nelson would have destroyed him in that elimination round[/QUOTE]
No one disagrees but Kenny's ability in a final alone makes him better than "average at best"
It just doesn't make any sense
[QUOTE=kvm1977;387349][B]We're discussing their SOCIAL game[/B]...and both are above average or average at worst--[B]neither was ever a liability[/B]
Sometimes comments make no sense. Jenn being "average at best"--just sigh[/QUOTE]
I was the first to bring that up on this thread. I know Kenny and Jenn have a phenomenal social game. I was talking about COMPETITORS. Which your views are always laughable.
Watch the hammock challenge on rivals (Kenny) Watch the ladder race on Inferno 3 (Jenn)
[QUOTE=kvm1977;387353]No one disagrees but Kenny's ability in a final alone makes him better than "average at best"
It just doesn't make any sense[/QUOTE]
No it does not. If he ever had to work his way to a final(by himself), he would not make it. So final attributes means nothing if he can't reach there.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387354]I was the first to bring that up on this thread. I know Kenny and Jenn have a phenomenal social game. I was talking about COMPETITORS. Which your views are always laughable.
Watch the hammock challenge on rivals (Kenny) Watch the ladder race on Inferno 3 (Jenn)[/QUOTE]
That was Jenn's first challenge--she improved greatly after that point
Kenny did struggle during Rivals--that's fair
So "ever" was a mistake by me--I'll own that but you're reaching.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387355]No it does not. If he ever had to work his way to a final(by himself), he would not make it. So final attributes means nothing if he can't reach there.[/QUOTE]
Wow--smh
[QUOTE=kvm1977;387356]That was Jenn's first challenge--[B]she improved greatly after that point[/B]
Kenny did struggle during Rivals--that's fair
So "ever" was a mistake by me--I'll own that but you're reaching.[/QUOTE]
Improved, but not greatly. Kenny has never stood out in missions or elimination rounds except on fm2. He's been pretty average on other challenges.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;387357]Wow--smh[/QUOTE]
Look at Diem! She will kill anyone in the final but she never reaches there because she is an average competitor.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387359]Look at Diem! She will kill anyone in the final but she never reaches there because she is an average competitor.[/QUOTE]
Yet, Diem would be, at worst, considered "average"...at worst
The fact you said "at best" implying they're below average is just laughable
[QUOTE=kvm1977;387360]Yet, Diem would be, at worst, considered "average"...at worst
The fact you said "at best" implying they're below average is just laughable[/QUOTE]
I can name 20 challengers better than Kenny competitively.
Jenn is actually solid. She greatly improved on Cutthroat and Rivals. Even then, we were obviously discussing social game--not as competitors. You dislike them, but it doesn't mean you have to be blind and find any little way to belittle them.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387361]I can name 20 challengers better than Kenny competitively.[/QUOTE]
And there's been over 100 guys that have done at least one challenge
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387361]I can name 20 challengers better than Kenny competitively.[/QUOTE]
The way I see it there are three facets of the game from a physical standpoint: finals, challenges, and eliminations. If someone is top 5 in one of those 3, they can't be average...and I can't name 5 guys from maybe the Inferno II til now that I'd rather have in a final than Kenny...in fact the only person I'd take over him is Landon. Darrell is a close third but Kenny was beating him in the FM1 challenge, with TINA, until they got to the puzzles, which Aviv did.
What you're saying, in my mind, is like saying Carmelo Anthony is an "average at best basketball player". Carmelo is one of the top 2-3 scorers in the league, but doesn't pass well and plays bad defense. I'm sure if you told people he's average at best, despite being close to the top at a major part of the game, they'd die laughing.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;387363]And there's been over 100 guys that have done at least one challenge[/QUOTE]
I'll admit "at best" was not the best wording... They tend to compete averagely.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387366]I'll admit "at best" was not the best wording... They tend to compete averagely.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough..."average...maybe above average" and we wouldn't have had any disagreement.
There's no doubt that neither are "below average"
[QUOTE=boncat23;387364]Jenn is more of a middle of the pack type girl, kenny stands out but I want to see him on another duel[/QUOTE]
Well to bad because he won't be back
[QUOTE=JL81790;387365]The way I see it there are three facets of the game from a physical standpoint: finals, challenges, and eliminations. If someone is top 5 in one of those 3, they can't be average...and I can't name 5 guys from maybe the Inferno II til now that I'd rather have in a final than Kenny...in fact the only person I'd take over him is Landon. Darrell is a close third but Kenny was beating him in the FM1 challenge, with TINA, until they got to the puzzles, which Aviv did.
[B]What you're saying, in my mind, is like saying Carmelo Anthony is an "average at best basketball player". Carmelo is one of the top 2-3 scorers in the league, but doesn't pass well and plays bad defense. I'm sure if you told people he's average at best, despite being close to the top at a major part of the game, they'd die laughing.[/B][/QUOTE]
If I was talking about NBA overall throughout the years it would work, but the NBA now? He's one of the best. That's how I look at the challenges. I'm talking about from the very beginning until now.
Darrell is better than anyone when it comes to finals. Kenny would even admit that and he never admits anyone is better than him at anything. On fresh meat 1 it's called keeping a pace. In finals it would go Darrell, Landon, then Kenny for guys.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387370]In finals it would go Darrell, Landon, then Kenny for guys.[/QUOTE]
Yes, of the people we've seen run a legit final I think that's fair.
Someone like Dan from Northern Trail would be interesting in that mix
[QUOTE=TheCloser;387370]
Darrell is better than anyone when it comes to finals. Kenny would even admit that and he never admits anyone is better than him at anything. On fresh meat 1 it's called keeping a pace. In finals it would go Darrell, Landon, then Kenny for guys.[/QUOTE]
The only reason I'm not willing to put him over them is because I haven't seen him run a final in the post-Island era. From Duel 2 on (with the exceptions of the Ruins and Rivals 2) the finals have been different animals than they were when Darrell was on his streak.
[QUOTE=JL81790;387373]The only reason I'm not willing to put him over them is because I haven't seen him run a final in the post-Island era. From Duel 2 on (with the exceptions of the Ruins and Rivals 2) the finals have been different animals than they were when Darrell was on his streak.[/QUOTE]
Kenny, Wes, and Landon throwing him first on fm2 should speak volumes.
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;387368]Well to bad because he won't be back[/QUOTE]
People have said that about CT and Dustin, and look where they are now...
Btw, it's "too" not "to"...sorry, not sorry lol.
[QUOTE=ItalianBeats;387376]People have said that about CT and Dustin, and look where they are now...
Btw, it's "too" not "to"...sorry, not sorry lol.[/QUOTE]
Still there is no way that he is going to be back the differece is there was no lawsuit with Dustin and CT
Anyway back to contestants that are relevant to this season, does anyone know if Laurel went into a elimination
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;387379]What happened? Now I'm inquisitive.[/QUOTE]
Theresa and Leroy hooked up, laurel wrote a tweet to Leroy saying that he should pick better the next time, Theresa got mad and wrote a tweet to laurel saying "go and send more naked pics to Mr. Santucci"
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><a href="https://twitter.com/laurelstucky" rel="nofollow">@laurelstucky</a> U..so quick to JUDGE ME? Riiiight go send <a href="https://twitter.com/KennySantucci" rel="nofollow">@KennySantucci</a> some more nakey pics & then cry about it. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HomeWrecker&src=hash" rel="nofollow">#HomeWrecker</a>— Theresa M. Gonzalez (@TheresaMTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheresaMTV/statuses/365349138830868480" rel="nofollow">August 8, 2013</a></blockquote>
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;387380]Still there is no way that he is going to be back the differece is there was no lawsuit with Dustin and CT
Anyway back to contestants that are relevant to this season, does anyone know if Laurel went into a elimination[/QUOTE]
It would come down to whether or not BMP/MTV would want to swallow the insurance costs...and since they don't seem to be that interested in pumping any extra money in the show it probably won't happen. But if they wanted to pay it, they could probably come back. There was no conviction of anything and for some reason I doubt a term of the settlement is that Kenny and Evan can't appear on the show.
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