TJ is supposed to throw a twist in to shake things up. Doesnt he always do that the lasy episode before the final? That may have something to do with Diem/Aneesa elimination. I think ClubSandwich has the most likely guess though
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;365484]I feel bad for Cooke, Cara has been holding her back[/QUOTE]
I don't feel that bad. She would've been home already of Naomi was still her partner.
[QUOTE=Meelz;365493]I don't feel that bad. She would've been home already of Naomi was still her partner.[/QUOTE]
She should of been sent home- not fair she got to stay and Sarah had to go. Cooke is annoying, I don't like her.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;365476]Cara Maria and Cooke have been the only team sided with CT/Wes from the beginning, he's not gonna dessert them by voting them in over Camila/Jemmeye[/QUOTE]
What? Cooke and Cara? From the beginning? Have CT and Wes lobbied to have them kept out of the jungle? Have any of the women's teams voted Wes or CT in? I think not. Diem and Wes are alliance central. I really didn't think anyone on the guy's side had Cooke and Cara's back. I would have said Leroy and Ty may have, given their history.
[QUOTE=nmanderson;365600]What? Cooke and Cara? From the beginning? Have CT and Wes lobbied to have them kept out of the jungle? Have any of the women's teams voted Wes or CT in? I think not. Diem and Wes are alliance central. I really didn't think anyone on the guy's side had Cooke and Cara's back. I would have said Leroy and Ty may have, given their history.[/QUOTE]
Notice how they never voted for them, not to mention how they've been rooting for them at both of the jungles they went into
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;365458]I think that Camilla & Jemmye come in last and Jordan & Marlon and CT & Wes vote them in but Wes and diem are good friends so I'd be surprised he'd vote for her[/QUOTE]
Nope.
[QUOTE=noahh;365443]i think that cara and cooke will win the girls challenge otherwise the boys would have voted them in instead of camilla and jemmye and diem wouldnt want to go against emily/paula so thats why camilla and diem are arguing.[/QUOTE]
also negative.
[QUOTE=RatedRudy;365434]I don't think so, I think that Paula and Emily win again and Diem/Anessa get last, and Diem probably does some politicking to go in against Camila because you kinda see Camila and Jemmye go at it with Diem in the next episode. In the mid-season tease, Camila is even getting in Diem's face saying "you really think I can't beat your ***". Cara maria tweeted something last week that implies something like this goes down because the other teams are scared to go in against them.[/QUOTE]
Someone has been paying attention ;) :watermelon:
I think Diem/Aneesa come in last and it may be because of Diem who tries playing for some sympathy. You would think she would want to go against Cooke. I think CT and Cara are both from the Boston area so perhaps that card is played. The elimination should be the one where they hang upside down and cut the rope, correct?
between cara and cooke cara has been the one who has been holding their team back it seem like cooke is the vet and cara is the rookie...paula has been playing a better game then her.. i want emily and paula to win the final girl challenge because they deserve it they have been the best all season long and they are my favorite team.
It's pretty obvious if your Aneesa/Diem you want Camila/Jemmye..Cara and Cooke have done all of them so far and won, you don't want to go against a strong team with experience, you also don't want to face Emily in anything so you go with the best chance to win, obviously people will want to give Diem what she wants because she's been protecting people there
That's got to be why Camila freaks, she was picked as the easier team
[QUOTE=Snake19;365640]It's pretty obvious if your Aneesa/Diem you want Camila/Jemmye..Cara and Cooke have done all of them so far and won, you don't want to go against a strong team with experience, you also don't want to face Emily in anything so you go with the best chance to win, obviously people will want to give Diem what she wants because she's been protecting people there
That's got to be [B]why Camila freaks, she was picked as the easier team[/B][/QUOTE]
No, Camila freaks because Diem, her best friend there, threw her to the lions den, in the hope of making 10k(at best)
[QUOTE=LexBlair;365642]No, Camila freaks because Diem, her best friend there, threw her to the lions den, in the hope of making 10k(at best)[/QUOTE]
I think its kinda slimy of Diem to throw her friend under the bus like that. Camila/Jemmye have been part of your alliance the entire time and you're going to try to rob their spot instead of going against the team that has been outcasted all season.
Well id like to hear diems reasoning if she tries to get camilla thrown in.. She has had no issue throwing in cara everytime so if she tries to say to give them a break it is bs so it just comes down to her not thinking she and aneesa can beat any team but camila and jemmye.. I dont think its shady i mean u can only help someone so much u have to look out for urself too but if she told camila she wouldnt try to throw her in than does that is different story
I dont see any chance aneesa and diem beating paula and emily or cara and cooke in a long final.. I think thry could beat camila and jemmye because i see jemmye having 0 stamina
[QUOTE=Lostcity;365644]I think its kinda slimy of Diem to throw her friend under the bus like that. Camila/Jemmye have been part of your alliance the entire time and you're going to try to rob their spot instead of going against the team that has been outcasted all season.[/QUOTE]
It's very slimy.... Especially since she does it bc she is too scared to go against Cooke/CM(a pair that would have been the obvious choice, and a team she has herself has a personal problem with...)
and here is the thing though... she said she wants to do so, not bc she essentially thinks that she can beat C/J as opposed to Cooke/CM but bc she would rather loose to Camila than Cooke...)
[QUOTE=LexBlair;365655]It's very slimy.... Especially since she does it bc she is too scared to go against Cooke/CM(a pair that would have been the obvious choice, and a team she has herself has a personal problem with...)
and here is the thing though... she said she wants to do so, not bc she essentially thinks that she can beat C/J as opposed to Cooke/CM but bc she would rather loose to Camila than Cooke...)[/QUOTE]
Why are they even there is not to win? You have people in your alliance, but at the end of the day there can be only one winner. Smart strategy says you make the best moves to give yourself the best advantage when it counts.
In a final id rather face jemmye and camila than cooke and cara and id say its pretty even in an elimination between facing those two teams so id go for voting in cara snd cooke again just by the hopes of getting second and more money if i made the final.. So if i was her i would say it is about even in elim and cara/cooke are harder in final so id try to get them out now since there isnt an easier team in the elimimation matchup but there is an easier team in the final i feel purely bc jemmye imo will struggle
Diems elimination record is not good aneesas is or was after duel 1 not sure now so it will be interesting to see how they work together
[QUOTE=V1man;365659]Why are they even there is not to win? You have people in your alliance, but at the end of the day there can be only one winner. Smart strategy says you make the best moves to give yourself the best advantage when it counts.[/QUOTE]
their alliances was based on their friendship... you can stuck up for Diem and I am sure this is exactly what Diem is telling herself/others to feel less ****ty, but it is still awful shady/slimy....
She should be happy Camila is accepting and understanding to a degree of obscenity...
[QUOTE=V1man;365659]Why are they even there is not to win? You have people in your alliance, but at the end of the day there can be only one winner. Smart strategy says you make the best moves to give yourself the best advantage when it counts.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that completely. The point is to keep your piece on the board for as long as possible because you never know what's going to happen the next day. It's dumb to say "Oh well, Cooke and Cara are the better team so I'd rather go against them now so I don't have to deal with them later". Someone can get sick, tweak their ankle running, or whatever else, but if you aren't there, you can't capitalize on it.
I just don't like how people are quick to call out other cast-members who aren't as sweet as Diem for doing the same thing. You don't get extra points for going into elimination rounds, or calling out the toughest guy/girl there. The goal is to be the first person up whatever mountain they're going to have to climb, and the best way to do that is to put yourself in a position where you'll have the opportunity to climb the mountain to begin with, which means not going home either by avoiding eliminations completely or giving yourself the easiest match ups . Anyone on the cast who cries about people playing the game that way are just mad that they don't have the pull to do it themselves (Cara). If I were there, I could give a **** if the viewer thought I was a ****** or a coward for either going in or not going in, because the only thing that would justify my time there would be a big check at the end.
Also, and I hate saying this because Diem is one of my favorite girls on the show, but I'm starting to feel like she's only a middle of the road competitor in anything that isn't endurance based...I mean this rope thing is a pretty neutral elimination. For a final, I'd take her in a heartbeat over most girls, but she's been consistently underwhelming in the day challenges and elimination rounds (she'll be 1-5 after this next one, 1-4 if you toss out her throwing the one with Tonya). Again for a final, give me Diem everyday on my team, but the rest of the time...eh...
I agree..Diems elimination record is not good aneesas is or was after duel 1 not sure now so it will be interesting to see how they work together.. Diem will be an assett on a cuthroat style or gauntlett team where she can not go into elimination because the team will wsnt her in the final .. She just needs to get there but its tough because she doesnt seem to win elimination rounds if thrown in and usually all the girls have to go in at least once atleast typically
[QUOTE=V1man;365659]Why are they even there is not to win? You have people in your alliance, but at the end of the day there can be only one winner. Smart strategy says you make the best moves to give yourself the best advantage when it counts.[/QUOTE]
Obviously the objective is to be the winner, but is 3rd place really worth throwing one of your girls under the bus? 3rd place was all they were going to get if they somehow would of beat camila/jemmye. I think you should leave the game with at least some honor and loyalty by taking on the team that hasn't been in your alliance. Had camila or emily gotten last place I don't think Diem's name would of came out of their mouths. Throwing members of your alliance under the bus just to save your *** is very shady. Like Leroy said Diem's true colors in terms of gameplay came out this season. I thought even throwing the rookies in one week after they had saved you was very shady. Knight/preston were still in play, but of course majority of the girls let johnny influence their decision. I just think diem's decision making this season is going to make alot of prople not trust her as much next time.
[QUOTE=JL81790;365663]I agree with that completely. The point is to keep your piece on the board for as long as possible because you never know what's going to happen the next day. It's dumb to say "Oh well, Cooke and Cara are the better team so I'd rather go against them now so I don't have to deal with them later". Someone can get sick, tweak their ankle running, or whatever else, but if you aren't there, you can't capitalize on it.
I just don't like how people are quick to call out other cast-members who aren't as sweet as Diem for doing the same thing. You don't get extra points for going into elimination rounds, or calling out the toughest guy/girl there. The goal is to be the first person up whatever mountain they're going to have to climb, and the best way to do that is to put yourself in a position where you'll have the opportunity to climb the mountain to begin with, which means not going home either by avoiding eliminations completely or giving yourself the easiest match ups . Anyone on the cast who cries about people playing the game that way are just mad that they don't have the pull to do it themselves (Cara). If I were there, I could give a **** if the viewer thought I was a ****** or a coward for either going in or not going in, because the only thing that would justify my time there would be a big check at the end.
Also, and I hate saying this because Diem is one of my favorite girls on the show, but I'm starting to feel like she's only a middle of the road competitor in anything that isn't endurance based...I mean this rope thing is a pretty neutral elimination. For a final, I'd take her in a heartbeat over most girls, but she's been consistently underwhelming in the day challenges and elimination rounds (she'll be 1-5 after this next one, 1-4 if you toss out her throwing the one with Tonya). Again for a final, give me Diem everyday on my team, but the rest of the time...eh...[/QUOTE]
It's not a neutral elimination. Watch it very carefully, perhaps in slow motion and you will see something rather odd.
An afterthought as well: How would any of us do in this environment after a team of docs takes its scalpel to your insides, boils you with radiation, and then fills your blood stream with toxic chemicals designed to kill? Then, in the absent of your docs you take begin unmonitored hormone replacement therapy. I'm **** amazed the girl could even walk through the LAX concourse to get on the flight to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Lostcity;365666]Obviously the objective is to be the winner, but is 3rd place really worth throwing one of your girls under the bus? 3rd place was all they were going to get if they somehow would of beat camila/jemmye. I think you should leave the game with at least some honor and loyalty by taking on the team that hasn't been in your alliance. Had camila or emily gotten last place I don't think Diem's name would of came out of their mouths. Throwing members of your alliance under the bus just to save your *** is very shady. Like Leroy said Diem's true colors in terms of gameplay came out this season. I thought even throwing the rookies in one week after they had saved you was very shady. Knight/preston were still in play, but of course majority of the girls let johnny influence their decision. I just think diem's decision making this season is going to make alot of prople not trust her as much next time.[/QUOTE]
We clearly have different views of competition. BTW, what next time?
[QUOTE=V1man;365659]Why are they even there is not to win? You have people in your alliance, but at the end of the day there can be only one winner. Smart strategy says you make the best moves to give yourself the best advantage when it counts.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely, if you are playing a strategic game then you should definitely play this way. The problem with Diem is that she can dish it out but can't take it. With the exception of The Ruins, there hasn't been one time that she hasn't thrown some sort of hissy fit when she's been called out to go into an elimination round. On Fresh Meat she **** bagged Linette, right after Linette kept her safe. They had an alliance but it didn't matter to Diem. When Tina did the same to her she launched into a fit yelling at Tina that she didn't have loyalty. On The Duel was was angry that Aneesa didn't ditch Svetlana, someone she had played practically the entire game with, and refused to accept Aneesa's apology even months after the show wrapped. Duel 3, a different version of the same hissy fit.
I think that Diem politicking to get Camilla thrown in is really bad form. I don't think Camilla would have done the same to Diem if the situation had been reversed and that is probably why Camilla was so hurt by her.
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