[QUOTE=Cmtvfan123;357210]Leroy is such a good person and competitor, how could they send him in?! anyways I tHink it's Zach n trey getting voted in but Wes is really a sneaky person who,I thought always had lees back considering lee is cool with everyone ESPECIALLY CT[/QUOTE]
How could they send him in? Its a game, and judging by whose left, who else would you pick? Marlon Jordan maybe but Id say Leroy/Ty might be a bigger threat, and everyone wants Knight in a final and the girls wont vote for Johnny so I can see why they want him in. Now its how did they send him in, did Wes make stuff up or did Leory really plan on sending Diem in, maybe Theresa wanted to send Diem in and Wes took that as Leroy wanting to do it too. And apparently all or most of the girls went with it so no one had Leroy's back, maybe its Zach this time and Leroy's "wow ladies" comment was because he wanted to go against some one other than Zach/Trey
[QUOTE=kvm1977;357211]Yes, you're overreacting--nudity isn't a big deal to many people. I'm still shocked by Mandi's reaction considering what she was wearing to begin with[/QUOTE]
thats pretty rude, despite what she was wearing he still cant expose her like that, its still embarasing, anyways thats old news
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thats pretty rude, despite what she was wearing he still cant expose her like that, its still embarasing, anyways thats old news[/QUOTE]
I agree. I'm not one to wear short skirts and low-cut tops. However, when a girl [I]does[/I] dress skimpily, it doesn't mean she won't be shocked when she is suddenly naked in public. Every person has boundaries. If you[B][I] force[/I][/B] someone to suddenly be naked in public (which you are, if you are disrobing them), then you might be crossing their boundaries. You really must know someone before you do something invasive like that, man or woman.
I'm not going to go up to some male who's wearing nothing but boxers and kick him in the balls and then act shocked when he's angry about it. "But your balls were practically visible! You were asking for it! You just seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't mind getting kicked in the balls! Look at how little you're wearing!"
Give me a break.
there's a difference between "skimpily" and what Mandi was wearing. Let's not forget that her and Vinny are friends. I'm not justifying what he did what he did but I felt she overreacted
Kicking someone in the balls and pulling down their shirt/underwear are entirely different.
Cooke doesn't care about nudity--really not a bid deal. ****, didn't Luke walk around naked. Abram & Brandon too. Countless people have been naked on these shows--never a big deal--this isn't either.
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Kicking someone in the balls and pulling down their shirt/underwear are entirely different.
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Of course they are different events, but how are they[B][I] so different[/I][/B] as to not warrant comparison in this case? In one, you're exposing someone, which is emotionally painful. In the other, you're kicking them in the balls, which is physically painful. Thinking it's okay to inflict pain on someone merely because of a certain perception you have of them, is not okay.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;357258]there's a difference between "skimpily" and what Mandi was wearing. Let's not forget that her and Vinny are friends. I'm not justify what he did what he did but I felt she overreacted
Kicking someone in the balls and pulling down their shirt/underwear are entirely different.
Cooke doesn't care about nudity--really not a bid deal. ****, didn't Luke walk around naked. Abram & Brandon too. Countless people have been naked on these shows--never a big deal--this isn't either.[/QUOTE]
On the Gauntlet (the first one), according to Norman's blog, just about everyone was walking around naked on Production's day off.
[QUOTE=Britney;357260]Of course they are different events, but how are they[B][I] so different[/I][/B] as to not warrant comparison in this case? In one, you're exposing someone, which is emotionally painful. In the other, you're kicking them in the balls, which is physically painful. Thinking it's okay to inflict pain on someone merely because of a certain perception you have of them, is not okay.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the comparison is unwarranted. Completely illogical.
I never once said Vinny's action were okay. Remember, I'm a lawyer--I state exactly what I mean.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;357261]On the Gauntlet (the first one), according to Norman's blog, just about everyone was walking around naked on Production's day off.[/QUOTE]
Right--nudity truly isn't a big deal at all.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;357262]Yes, the comparison is unwarranted. Completely illogical.
I never once said Vinny's action were okay. [B]Remember, I'm a lawyer--I state exactly what I mean[/B].[/QUOTE]
Remember, my father was a lawyer. I knew what it was like to be brought up battling semantics every day for most of my life--and one doesn't have to be a lawyer to string together a logical argument. I'm happy that you state exactly what you mean, because that simplifies things... but if you are in some way insinuating that I have put words in your mouth, then I urge you to re-read my posts.
I never once said that you asserted that Vinny's actions were okay. The first half of my post was responding to what you said, the second half was an elaboration on the stream of consciousness I was having. Nothing should be taken so personally as to think it was all addressed to you (or [I]against[/I] you, as you seem to think).
I do think that exposing someone's breasts is indeed a "big deal", if it is a big deal to THEM. How you can think in such absolutist terms is kind of surprising to me; it's a bit centered on your own perceptions rather than those of others. I think subjectivism is pretty much [I]mandatory[/I] when considering emotions, and that includes the emotions of feeling betrayed, exposed, and humiliated as women might feel when they are suddenly declothed by their friend in public. I know that is how I would feel. You might say it's not a "big deal". Who are you to say that, as a blanket clause, for all people? I guess we just have to disagree again.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;357266]Besides, it looked like Jemmye and Cooke were just horsing around and playful, there was no perceived malicious intent unlike Vinny's actions.[/QUOTE]
I 100% agree and am wondering why people were even shocked over the Jemmye/Cooke scene.
Britney, most of your arguments are very logical--that comparison simply wasn't IMO. It is only that--an opinion. As for the rest--fair enough--we simply disagree again which is fine--no two people will ever agree on everything.
I think the difference between the 2 situations is also that it's a bigger deal when a guy does it to a girl and when another girl does it to a girl. But that's just my opinion
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;357266]Besides, it looked like Jemmye and Cooke were just horsing around and playful, there was no perceived malicious intent unlike Vinny's actions.[/QUOTE]
Really? I don't think there was malicious intent with Vinny he was just drunk and horsing around too. It's just the reaction that Mandi gave, which I think was pretty natural, made it so production had to step in.
[QUOTE=Quest;357291]Really? I don't think there was malicious intent with Vinny he was just drunk and horsing around too. It's just the reaction that Mandi gave, which I think was pretty natural, made it so production had to step in.[/QUOTE]
While her initial reaction was shock, she later stated it did not bother her as much as it did Wes who really had a problem with it. Plus, Vinny's reaction after the fact did not help matters any.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;357293]While her initial reaction was shock, she later stated it did not bother her as much as it did Wes who really had a problem with it. Plus, Vinny's reaction after the fact did not help matters any.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I'd still go with her reaction for it at the initial time since, honestly that's what really matters and not bothering her as much doesn't mean it didn't bother her.
Playing out how the episode was going though Wes was probably reacting/egging it up because he was going into the Dome because of them and figured it would save him.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;357293]While her initial reaction was shock, she later stated it did not bother her as much as it did Wes who really had a problem with it. Plus, Vinny's reaction after the fact did not help matters any.[/QUOTE]
It's also a matter of legal liability. "As much" vs. "not at all/consent" do make a very big difference.
[QUOTE=gbp02;357151]Cooke probably slept with CT. Zach said he banged a bunch of the girls.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt Cooke sleeping with CT would warrant an after show and involve Diem. Ct and Diem are not together so it wouldn't matter if CT slept with Cooke. If anything that may upset Diem but it wouldn't resolve to an after show. So this leads me to believe that Cooke did something malicious to Diem. Like I said before, I think I know what it might be along the lines of but, I do not want to assume. I wonder why Cooke has had it out for Diem since the beginning. Does anyone know if Diem and Cooke had any previous encounters which may have caused Cooke's dislike towards Diem?? I just don't understand where Cooke's tension towards Diem originated from.
[QUOTE=Imjustsayin;357365]I highly doubt Cooke sleeping with CT would warrant an after show and involve Diem. Ct and Diem are not together so it wouldn't matter if CT slept with Cooke. If anything that may upset Diem but it wouldn't resolve to an after show. So this leads me to believe that Cooke did something malicious to Diem. Like I said before, I think I know what it might be along the lines of but, I do not want to assume. I wonder why Cooke has had it out for Diem since the beginning. Does anyone know if Diem and Cooke had any previous encounters which may have caused Cooke's dislike towards Diem?? I just don't understand where Cooke's tension towards Diem originated from.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Cooke saw Diem's illness as a weakness that could be exploited?
[QUOTE=Fullback12;357369]Cooke ******* CT is the only thing that I can see her and Diem getting into it for.[/QUOTE]
If that is the case, the you have a serious case of myopia.
[QUOTE=V1man;357370]If that is the case, the you have a serious case of myopia.[/QUOTE]
Why do I have a feeling Cooke did something to her medication....
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;357384]Why do I have a feeling Cooke did something to her medication....[/QUOTE]
This is what I was thinking but wouldn't Cooke get thrown off the show for this? Considering this is the case, isn't this a big offense? I guess it would depend on what Cooke actually did to the medicine, But in any case, using someone's illness against them is low and evil. It is not fair to attack someone on the basis of something they can not change. If Cooke did indeed do something like this, She is going to have a hard time redeeming herself in my eyes...
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;357373][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FFo-Vq_KoQ]The Challenge Rivals 2 Kenny Santucci Interview - Bus Driver's Route - YouTube[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh, how I wish someone would just spill the beans on this whole Kenny/Evan situation. It's just hard to believe that he's truly over it for his reasons stated when he also feels like JKE are entitled to be on every season in order for it to be a success and deserve their own spin offs.
[QUOTE=Imjustsayin;357449]This is what I was thinking but wouldn't Cooke get thrown off the show for this? Considering this is the case, isn't this a big offense? I guess it would depend on what Cooke actually did to the medicine, But in any case, using someone's illness against them is low and evil. It is not fair to attack someone on the basis of something they can not change. If Cooke did indeed do something like this, She is going to have a hard time redeeming herself in my eyes...[/QUOTE]
People get bashed all the time for things they can't change...that's life.
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