The Challenge: Rivals II - Discussion (Spoilers)

I would like to mention I saw townie's post about CT/Wes winning a couple nights ago, prior to the confirmation thread. But I think they were deleted for some reason. So nice job Townie on getting the scoop for us first!

OK explain to me every detail of the final including lead changes, head starts, what they had to do, etc. and we'll go from there... All I'm saying is kudos for knowing that CT/Wes won, but you have no idea how the final actually went so dont throw Johnny under the bus like that before you've seen it.

[QUOTE=thechalleng;344695]you havent seen anything from the final and neither have we so you have no idea what happened, meaning you have no idea if johnny couldnt keep up or not. last time i checked rivals was a game of 2? so who knows what frank may have done...frank has only done one final and it was easy as **** compared to some other finals like the first rivals and exes...so dont assume anything until you know the facts.[/QUOTE] Whatever they still lost...Wes/CT are considered bad at finals. I think Frank cant keep up the the vet guys only cause he hasnt experienced what they had to go through but we dont know if he cant do it, we cant automatically blame Frank when Johnny didnt beat those 2 by a long shot. Johnny still lost with Tyler and Tyler is considered a beast at these. And earlier when people were saying Johnny didnt deserve the rivals 1 win others were saying no way he did great on that final and now people are saying that this final could have been faulty too. Zach was going on about how Frank has the best endurance hes ever seen, so it could be Johnnys fault they lost.

[QUOTE=thechalleng;344695]you havent seen anything from the final and neither have we so you have no idea what happened, meaning you have no idea if johnny couldnt keep up or not. last time i checked rivals was a game of 2? so who knows what frank may have done...frank has only done one final and it was easy as **** compared to some other finals like the first rivals and exes...so dont assume anything until you know the facts.[/QUOTE] Can we get a gif of Johnny being turned into a backpack anytime someone says Johnny is even compared to CT?

I wana see what the haters on the podcast have to say. If it was a fair final then they can only blame Johnny, I'm sure they'll spin it around and blame Frank but Johnny seems cool with Frank so he cant blame it all on Frank. Its interesting though, Frank kinda acknowledged Johnny in his pic but Johnny has not mentioned Frank or anyone else on twitter. But same with CT/Wes, no evidence of any kind of relationship, at least follow CT you ******, but maybe that will give away the theme since Wes follows and talks to no one, or maybe Wes/CT didnt get along, that would be interesting cause even Kenny/Wes got along. They are doing a good job of acting like nothing happened, Johnny would be saying how great he is the day after coming home, please be more obvious.

[QUOTE=Snake19;344700]Can we get a gif of Johnny being turned into a backpack anytime someone says Johnny is even compared to CT?[/QUOTE] no but i can show you this :glee: [img]http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm220/B_Goetz/CTHitfromep7preview.gif[/img]

Let's talk hook-ups I think Jordan hooked up with Cooke and Marlon hooked up with someone maybe Naomi or a male Preston or Frank. other than those I can't really see a that many hook-ups happenning.

[QUOTE=Snake19;344549]There's a difference between manipulating the game so you don't have to go in and people just being afraid to go against you. I'm sure you can figure out which is which. You said he didn't go in elims on the Duel, then he did..ok..But he beat Evan who even had the puzzle written on his hand, and destroyed Brad. TJ can say he "lost" to Brad, but we all know that's not the case. That elim should have been rip the flag off. I have no comment on the Rivals elim, we know why he lost that. If Adam threw it or was just genuinely baffled we'll never know Anyway if Emily/Paula are "confirmed" that picture with Frank/Johnny says a whole lot more. Sucks that he "wins" again without doing much, but here's hoping CT/Wes do some kick *** elims[/QUOTE] Where I put "Didn't go in on the Duel" I was supposed to put The Inferno II. I put on there that he beat Evan on The Duel and lost to Brad. Just accidentally put The Duel twice.

[QUOTE=Snake19;344563]I think it's pretty obvious the final winners are Emily/Paula and Johnny/Frank..Whatever little oddities that may or may not have occured are whatever for me, Johnny will be considered the winner of the show and CT will have the better moments, that's more than enough for me to watch. Especially if CT vs Zach happens,[B] I don't care weak of a "challenge" guy people think he is, he would eat most people for breakfast so the matchup is fun as hell[/B][/QUOTE] Zach or CT?

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;344584]Awesome! It's about time Wes and CT won. My excitement for this challenge just skyrocketed, I absolutely cannot wait for this.[/QUOTE] Wes won a long time ago

[QUOTE=wth101;344703]no but i can show you this :glee: [img]http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm220/B_Goetz/CTHitfromep7preview.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Hahahahaha, that'll do just fine [QUOTE=El Scorcho;344706]Zach or CT?[/QUOTE] I mean Zach, people think because he had a rough time with CJ he's "weak" even though he did win and I think CJ had MMA experience, a guy like that knows how to use your body weight against you. He would have beat anyone else in an elim, CJ wasn't a joke by any means. Zach manned up for quite a few elims and won his first Challenge, he's obvs not CT, so I get how that's not a comparison, but to say he's "weak" is not true

lol at Johnny taking time and money to train in high altitude conditions yet losing to a pack a day smoker coming off spring break and a guy who hasn't exercised in 3 years.

i wonder if Frank and Wes buried the hatchet

The thing with Paula is that she is great at finals. Running for ages, endurance etc. but in daily challenges she is a average competitor the same with elimination rounds. IMO she was a great partner for Emily probably one of the best choices if not the best for Emily out of all the female castmembers from this challenge. Emily would cruise them through the daily challenges and of course Paula's alliance with Bananas would help Emily a great deal as well. And then they would cruise together through the final. She might not be the best competitor and people might be sick of her being on a lot of challenges but you cant denie that the girl brings humor and entertainment to the show. Her one-liners are epic!

To those who know the truth...beware of attempts at revisionist history. Pride commeth before the fall.

Johnny is a good, not great, competitor. Johnny is an awesome strategic player. Johnny is a d bag. End of arguement.

[QUOTE=V1man;344716]To those who know the truth...beware of attempts at revisionist history. Pride commeth before the fall.[/QUOTE] Ok I think this gives Johnny fans hope, so the final was "fluky"? If it was then good, Johnny needs some bad luck

[QUOTE=Debut Album;344719]In what world does she bring humor and entertainment to the show? Paula has never been funny and She has been entertaining only twice(on her original season and on the Island when she was crying in one of the treasure chests).[/QUOTE] To be fair that time when Laurel verbally beat the **** out of her was also pretty funny.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;344707]Wes won a long time ago[/QUOTE] I know, it's been awhile though.

I gotta say if CT and Wes did win then I have less respect for Johnnys rivals win now. Wes and Kenny beat them up there by 45 min and Wes was not 100% and only got a 2 min advantage on day 2. Wes was just as good if not better on the Ruins but was just too big a target. If Johnny was partnered with Casey on Exes like he was suppose to be he easily coulda lost to wes in one of those domes. I just hate how Bananas always has such an easy road. God if he got eliminated on the island none of this would of happened.

[QUOTE=Blue123;344718]Ok I think this gives Johnny fans hope, so the final was "fluky"? If it was then good, Johnny needs some bad luck[/QUOTE] No, the comment is neutral with regard to hope, or "flunky" or good vs. bad luck. You are not one to whom my comment was addressed so speculation about it is entirely pointless. Those for whom it is intended will clearly understand the message. It has everything to due with duplicitous behavior by certain pretenders on twitter who read vevmo and, unfortunately, to some members here as well.

[QUOTE=Reily Man;344723]I gotta say if CT and Wes did win then I have less respect for Johnnys rivals win now. Wes and Kenny beat them up there by 45 min and Wes was not 100% and only got a 2 min advantage on day 2. Wes was just as good if not better on the Ruins but was just too big a target. If Johnny was partnered with Casey on Exes like he was suppose to be he easily coulda lost to wes in one of those domes. I just hate how Bananas always has such an easy road. God if he got eliminated on the island none of this would of happened.[/QUOTE] I think every cast member said rivals final was unfair. You would have to be a complete Johnny groupie to think other wise, people can talk about who is the best team and who loved each other the most but if you sucked in the final then no you shouldnt win, like omg 45 minutes is a bit excessive. I would have loved to see Johnny/Casey, Johnny doesnt have the patience for Casey, look how he flipped on Camila. [QUOTE=V1man;344724]No, the comment is neutral with regard to hope, or "flunky" or good vs. bad luck. You are not one to whom my comment was addressed so speculation about it is entirely pointless. Those for whom it is intended will clearly understand the message. It has everything to due with duplicitous behavior by certain pretenders on twitter who read vevmo and, unfortunately, to some members here as well.[/QUOTE] Oh ok, clearly I like to over speculate every comment. It sounded like you were talking about the Johnny haters on here revisioning history and I was definitely hating. Hopefully it was a fair final then that JEK dynasty guy can ****, all his CT/Wes bashing on rivals and exes would go out the window since Johnny couldnt beat them again

[QUOTE=Debut Album;344719]In what world does she bring humor and entertainment to the show? [B]Paula has never been funny [/B]and She has been entertaining only twice(on her original season and on the Island when she was crying in one of the treasure chests).[/QUOTE] Then apparently you havent watched her commentary during episodes on almost every challenge she has been on. Or you dont appreciate this kind of humor

Paula is one of the funniest girls. Her interviews are hilarious and her relationship with Mike was hilarious. I love Paula.

The only time Paula bugged me was mentioning the island over and over. Once that was behind her, I like her interviews on the shows and comments she makes. She has issues, but she embraces her issues or at least tries to. At least (like the hooking up with guy thing) she isn't in denial.

[QUOTE=jojorules;344731]The only time paula bugged me was mentioning the island over and over. Once that was behnd her, i like her interviews on the shows and comments she makes. She has issues, but she embraces her issues or at least tries to. At least (like the hooking up with guy thing) she isn't in denial[/QUOTE] Paula has obviously learned to accept her faults for the most part but she can still get emotional over certain things with good reason.

Paula used to be one ****ed up individual to say the least...Real World Key West anyone? Glad maturity has made her into a different woman...I haven't seen her break the **** down since the Island reunion! Then again she had every right to...

[QUOTE=JEKFAN;344730]Paula is one of the funniest girls. Her interviews are hilarious and her relationship with Mike was hilarious. I love Paula.[/QUOTE] That's one reason that I was hoping Devyn (off topic, I know) would have been on this challenge. Her and Paula would have been a hoot!

[QUOTE=thechalleng;344733]Paula used to be one ****ed up individual to say the least...real world key west anyone? glad maturity has made her into a different woman...i havent seen her break the **** down since the island reunion! then again she had every right too...[/QUOTE] Yeahhhhh... I take you didn't see the Exes reunion.