The Challenge: Rivals II - Discussion (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=RobbioRobbio;336933]heres a list of Champion females: Rachel Robinson Veronica Portillo Coral Smith Cara Zavaleta Susie Meister Katie Doyle Ibis Nieves Jodi Weatherton Kina Dean Evelyn Smith Jillian Zoboroski Paula Meronek Camila Nagakawa Ashley Kelsey[/QUOTE] More than half of who are not available or interested, and definitely are not on this challenge.

[QUOTE=RobbioRobbio;336933]heres a list of Champion females: Rachel Robinson Veronica Portillo Coral Smith Cara Zavaleta Susie Meister Katie Doyle Ibis Nieves Jodi Weatherton Kina Dean Evelyn Smith Jillian Zoboroski Paula Meronek Camila Nagakawa Ashley Kelsey[/QUOTE] You're missing a few. Sam McGinn Carley Johnson Tori Fiorenza Janelle Cassanave Johanna Botta Rachel Moyal

If this is the cast, I may seriously consider not watching. Veterans: Leroy Chet Dunbar Johnny Wes Ct ?? (Probably Derrick) Camila Emily Theresa Jonna Paula Diem Trishelle Rookies: Jordan Marlon Trey Robb Zach Frank Knight Jessica Anastasia Laura Ashley Nany Naomi Jemmye

Well that is **** close to the exact cast and if you dont like it I just have to say as a fan I dont know what more you should really want to see. You should want CT and Bananas to **** these little rookie *****es up, and to be totally honest I think the rookie team is pretty stacked.

[QUOTE=RobbioRobbio;336933]heres a list of Champion females: Rachel Robinson Veronica Portillo Coral Smith Cara Zavaleta Susie Meister Katie Doyle Ibis Nieves Jodi Weatherton Kina Dean Evelyn Smith Jillian Zoboroski Paula Meronek Camila Nagakawa Ashley Kelsey[/QUOTE] I realize all the female winners, you are missing quite a few. I wanted to know the realistic options that would possibly do a challenge.

^ the list above doesn't have Sarah! I'd be disappointed if she wasn't on it. :/

Sarah needs a break. That cast is too terrible to be correct there has to be a couple decent surprises.

There is a chance we will be seeing Coral. I know for a fact that she was up to do last season, but obviously the format stopped that. If nothing has changed then she should be there.

[QUOTE=Reily Man;336943]Well that is **** close to the exact cast and if you dont like it I just have to say as a fan I dont know what more you should really want to see. You should want CT and Bananas to **** these little rookie *****es up, and to be totally honest I think the rookie team is pretty stacked.[/QUOTE] There's a lot more I'd want to see...Maybe some cast members who haven't done every single challenge out of the last 5/6 challenges? Dustin, Mike (D.C.), Derek C., Noor, Pete, Cohutta, Ace, Shane, Darrell LaToya, Priscilla, Heather, Cooke, Ashlee, Ashley (D.C.), Ayiiia, Emilee, KellyAnne, Ashli, Brooke, Janelle, Tina, Coral, Susie, Beth ^ All realistic casting choices If this rumored cast is correct, let me spare you all 12 hour long episodes, I will go ahead and break it down for you. Rookies will lose almost all of their girls (1 or 2 in the final), starting with Anastasia and Jessica, followed by Naomi and Jemmye Vets will gun for Frank and Trey and they will both be eliminated midway through after Jordan and Marlon Vets will eliminate Trishelle first and Coral (if she's there) Chet and Wes won't make the finals Paula will go home right before the end. Vets will win THE END

[QUOTE=Kajun;336949]Sarah needs a break. That cast is too terrible to be correct there has to be a couple decent surprises.[/QUOTE] No she doesn't. She's athletic, she's hot, she's smart, she's a narrator, she's one if the good guys...what more could you ask? Plus challenges are coming to an end "breaks" don't exist anymore lol

[QUOTE=Lola88;336952]No she doesn't. She's athletic, she's hot, she's smart, she's a narrator, she's one if the good guys...what more could you ask? Plus challenges are coming to an end "breaks" don't exist anymore lol[/QUOTE] This^^^^ Sarah can do 20 in a row IMO if it lasts that long. Not everyone has to supply drama. I also don't see how anyone would dislike that cast. We have to be somewhat realistic. It's not an elite cast but it gives people newbies that they keep begging for.

I am actually excited to see Sarah & Chet this time around. I look forward to either them losing in an elimination round or failing at the final mission. :)

[QUOTE=Lola88;336952]No she doesn't. She's athletic, she's hot, she's smart, she's a narrator, she's one if the good guys...what more could you ask? Plus challenges are coming to an end "breaks" don't exist anymore lol[/QUOTE] Sarah is a constant good guy, a puzzle person and a solid competitor. Plus, she is one of the few people just about everyone on the Challenges likes. She has no real enemies and has been referred to as "the camp counselor" and "the mom" for everyone.

[QUOTE=VCR14;336951]There's a lot more I'd want to see...Maybe some cast members who haven't done every single challenge out of the last 5/6 challenges? Dustin, Mike (D.C.), Derek C., Noor, Pete, Cohutta, Ace, Shane, Darrell LaToya, Priscilla, Heather, Cooke, Ashlee, Ashley (D.C.), Ayiiia, Emilee, KellyAnne, Ashli, Brooke, Janelle, Tina, Coral, Susie, Beth ^ All realistic casting choices If this rumored cast is correct, let me spare you all 12 hour long episodes, I will go ahead and break it down for you. Rookies will lose almost all of their girls (1 or 2 in the final), starting with Anastasia and Jessica, followed by Naomi and Jemmye Vets will gun for Frank and Trey and they will both be eliminated midway through after Jordan and Marlon Vets will eliminate Trishelle first and Coral (if she's there) Chet and Wes won't make the finals Paula will go home right before the end. Vets will win THE END[/QUOTE] Maybe they were not available, not interested, got dropped out in last seconds, because another one couldnt do it (Cohutta-Kelly Anne, Syndey team, RR Veterans team), not fitting in the format or the casting team thought they were just not good enought or interesting people which makes them not all realistic. You cant really predict a team season before you know the definite format and how the elimination round go. Especially not a final! If it's like a ruins thing I definitely can see Johnny being targeted as one of the first and Frank as rookies biggest target. Since you should not have those two in a final, because they would be the best in a final (Frank with his stamina and Johnny with experience). And Frank/Zach are not really in the majority this time around since I can see a Portland/St Thomas/Vegas alliance (Mainly because Trey is friends with all of the portland cast and Nany/Noami are good friends with Heather and she couldnt stand Frank arrogance). I just hope that the winning team can decide who should go in! Would make it far less predictable and more strategic interesting.

So can we assume we'll know the cast tomorrow?

[QUOTE=GDInstall;336957]Maybe they were not available, not interested, got dropped out in last seconds, because another one couldnt do it (Cohutta-Kelly Anne, Syndey team, RR Veterans team), not fitting in the format or the casting team thought they were just not good enought or interesting people which makes them not all realistic. You cant really predict a team season before you know the definite format and how the elimination round go. Especially not a final! If it's like a ruins thing I definitely can see Johnny being targeted as one of the first and Frank as rookies biggest target. Since you should not have those two in a final, because they would be the best in a final (Frank with his stamina and Johnny with experience). And Frank/Zach are not really in the majority this time around since I can see a Portland/St Thomas/Vegas alliance (Mainly because Trey is friends with all of the portland cast and Nany/Noami are good friends with Heather and she couldnt stand Frank arrogance). I just hope that the winning team can decide who should go in! Would make it far less predictable and more strategic interesting.[/QUOTE] Not really. Nany has appeared to have made up with Frank by the time the reunion was taped and they've even tweeted each other. Oh and I love Sarah and if I was on these shows, I'd do a bunch, but I'm not and it's not exciting to see someone do 7 challenges in a row.

[QUOTE=splatt001;336958]So can we assume we'll know the cast tomorrow?[/QUOTE] Never assume.

[QUOTE=VCR14;336951]There's a lot more I'd want to see...Maybe some cast members who haven't done every single challenge out of the last 5/6 challenges? Dustin, Mike (D.C.), Derek C., Noor, Pete, Cohutta, Ace, Shane, Darrell LaToya, Priscilla, Heather, Cooke, Ashlee, Ashley (D.C.), Ayiiia, Emilee, KellyAnne, Ashli, Brooke, Janelle, Tina, Coral, Susie, Beth ^ All realistic casting choices If this rumored cast is correct, let me spare you all 12 hour long episodes, I will go ahead and break it down for you. Rookies will lose almost all of their girls (1 or 2 in the final), starting with Anastasia and Jessica, followed by Naomi and Jemmye Vets will gun for Frank and Trey and they will both be eliminated midway through after Jordan and Marlon Vets will eliminate Trishelle first and Coral (if she's there) Chet and Wes won't make the finals Paula will go home right before the end. Vets will win THE END[/QUOTE] If its a teams thing I dont think the vets should try to get rid of Wes right away, do Chet 1st then maybe Dunbar(hes on it right?) but the vet team really cant loose their guys. And whats with the Trishelle hate? I heard a few ppl say the vets would get rid of right away? And I dont see how the challengers team is stacked, Zach, Frank are good but who else? I think the vet girls are pretty decent, I dont even know the challenger girls but as previous challenges have shown, bad girls can really drag a team down, but a bunch of mediocre guys and decent girls can win, and I hate to say that but its true, hopefully the challenger girls are not a bunch of Caseys and Niaomis

[QUOTE=VCR14;336940]You're missing a few. Sam McGinn Carley Johnson Tori Fiorenza Janelle Cassanave Johanna Botta Rachel Moyal[/QUOTE] who are not on this season.

[QUOTE=VCR14;336951] [B]Dustin, Mike (D.C.),[/B] Derek C.,[B] Noor, Pete,[/B] Cohutta, [B]Ace[/B], Shane, Darrell LaToya, Priscilla, [B]Heather, Cooke, Ashlee, Ashley (D.C.), Ayiiia, Emilee,[/B] KellyAnne, [B]Ashli[/B], [B]Brooke, Janelle, Tina,[/B] Coral, Susie, Beth ^ All realistic casting choices If this rumored cast is correct, let me spare you all 12 hour long episodes, I will go ahead and break it down for you. Rookies will lose almost all of their girls (1 or 2 in the final), starting with Anastasia and Jessica, followed by Naomi and Jemmye Vets will gun for Frank and Trey and they will both be eliminated midway through after Jordan and Marlon Vets will eliminate Trishelle first and Coral (if she's there) Chet and Wes won't make the finals Paula will go home right before the end. Vets will win THE END[/QUOTE] All of the people in bold have pretty much said they've moved on. I know some of them are still contacted (Mike, Brooke) but some people's lives are just way too busy these days. I would have bolded Shane and Darrell but I know that they both were asked for BOTS. I'm pretty sure Shane was the alternate for their team; Katie said she thought he was on the team, although Derrick said it was him, Darrell, Katie and Rachel, which would make a lot more sense. I totally think this challenge will be predictable. I hate saying this but I do agree with Trishelle being attacked early. This is shaping up to be another Gauntlet 3/Ruins where the Vets are STACKED.

[QUOTE=VegasAtSea;336969]All of the people in bold have pretty much said they've moved on. I know some of them are still contacted (Mike, Brooke) but some people's lives are just way too busy these days. I would have bolded Shane and Darrell but I know that they both were asked for BOTS. I'm pretty sure Shane was the alternate for their team; Katie said she thought he was on the team, although Derrick said it was him, Darrell, Katie and Rachel, which would make a lot more sense. I totally think this challenge will be predictable. I hate saying this but I do agree with Trishelle being attacked early. This is shaping up to be another Gauntlet 3/Ruins where the Vets are STACKED.[/QUOTE] A Vet/Rookie pairing like Fresh Meat would not surprise me.

[QUOTE=V1man;336974]A Vet/Rookie pairing like Fresh Meat would not surprise me.[/QUOTE] That's the most disappointing thing ever. I pray it isn't another idiotic "pair" challenge. And it definitely better not be like Rivals.

[QUOTE=VCR14;336942]If this is the cast, I may seriously consider not watching. Veterans: Leroy Chet Dunbar Johnny Wes Ct ?? (Probably Derrick) ?? Camila Emily Theresa Jonna Paula Diem Trishelle Sarah Rookies: Jordan Marlon Trey Robb Zach Frank Knight Jessica Anastasia Laura Ashley Nany Naomi Jemmye[/QUOTE] So it's probably Johnny, CT, Wes, Leroy, Dunbar, Chet, (Unknown) vs. Frank, Zach, Trey, Robb, Marlon, Jordan, Knight (This is almost even out. With Knight/Robb and Chet/Dunbar/Wes as the weakest) Jessica, Anastasia, Laura, Ashley, Nany, Noami, Jemmye vs. Camilla, Emily, Theresa, Jonna, Paula, Diem, Sarah, Trishelle (It seems like the veterans girls are better, but if you look it. Every girl has a represent on the other team beside Emily. Without her even the girl side would be almost balanced out. Jessica ---- Camilla Anastasia --- Theresa Laura --- Sarah Ashley --- Diem Nany --- Paula Noami/Jemmye --- Jonna, Trishelle (weekest one) While I think as a whole the veterans team is better, but if Paula/Johnny really want to go there just to get the "Veteran paycheck", I can see two good teams.

The past three challenges have essentially been pair challenges, so I can see where you're coming from. I'd love to see them go back to two teams though. Also, how would they assign rookies to corresponding vets? Lottery?

[QUOTE=V1man;336974]A Vet/Rookie pairing like Fresh Meat would not surprise me.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I was thinking as well.

[QUOTE=VegasAtSea;336979]The past three challenges have essentially been pair challenges, so I can see where you're coming from. I'd love to see them go back to two teams though. Also, how would they assign rookies to corresponding vets? Lottery?[/QUOTE] A competition smilar to Fresh Meat. If I were producing, I'd make the vets compete too. Emperical measurement all the way, as a method of potentially damaging/destroying pre-show alliances.

[QUOTE=V1man;336981]A competition smilar to Fresh Meat. If I were producing, I'd make the vets compete too. Emperical measurement all the way, as a method of potentially damaging/destroying pre-show alliances.[/QUOTE] Anytime you can force the vets to compete against each other and/or disrupt pre-arranged Alliances is golden, especially if they start mouthing off about it. I would want to see a team or singles Challenge.

If they did a competition and paired the top male vet with the weakest female rookie and go down the line, plus the top male rookie with worst female vet and go down the line...I think it will result in a team with a weak male vet + a strong female rookie or a strong male rookie + a weak female vet winning.

[QUOTE=V1man;336981]A competition smilar to Fresh Meat. If I were producing, I'd make the vets compete too. Emperical measurement all the way, as a method of potentially damaging/destroying pre-show alliances.[/QUOTE] Well if so wouldnt it be too many teams there. 16 teams that is too many. That will make 13 eliminations for just 8/9 episode. Too much. And probably there will be some teams that viewers wouldnt even care about (No relations whatsoever) and in the end, it will probably be a "Top 5/6" alliance which will dominate the game. I think a "Race to" similar to Cutthroat would be cool. A first daily challenge which is almost like a final challenge (puzzles, distance, etc.) It would be hard/unexpected for the challengers and for the viewers pretty interesting as an entry. Top 5 guys with slowest five girls (One team) and Top 5 girls with slowest five boys (The other).

[QUOTE=Lola88;336952]Plus challenges are coming to an end "breaks" don't exist anymore lol[/QUOTE] ***? No they are not.