[QUOTE=eggs78;294873]Even if CT killed babies and raped women while snorting a mountain of coke in DR, [B]it does not change the fact that Diem should have been there for the person who "made her a woman again" when he needed her the most[/B] instead of making excuses and sending "low-budget" text.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=eggs78;294201][B]I think people should cut Diem some slack about missing her flight. I think it was an honest mistake[/B] that she put in the wrong month. She booked it once she heard at four in the morning. She was probably very emotional and didn’t exactly what she was doing. She said it was weird that they all of a sudden stopped talking. It sounds like they stopped talking right after she missed her flight so she probably did not know if he even wanted her there.[/QUOTE]
Obviously, I made the statement about cutting Diem some slack about missing her flight before the low-budget text revelation. I guess I'm not allowed to change my mind after the facts are presented.
[QUOTE=eggs78;294882]Obviously, I made the statement about cutting Diem some slack about missing her flight before the low-budget text revelation. I guess I'm not allowed to change my mind after the facts are presented.[/QUOTE]
I have yet to see any proof of a "low-budget text" (whatever that means), therefore forgive me if I'm a bit hesitant to believe it.
You're welcome to change your mind, but it would help if you said "Wow, this changes my opinion of this situation". Otherwise, someone reading your posts might sense some sort of contradiction.
[QUOTE=eggs78;294873]Even if CT killed babies and raped women while snorting a mountain of coke in DR, it does not change the fact that Diem should have been there for the person who "made her a woman again" when he needed her the most instead of making excuses and sending "low-budget" text.[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous and quite offensive actually.
Yep, there are certain people who get favorable edits on the shows. I was never buying this CT nice guy thing. I'm sure he has that side to him, but I believe the castmembers when they say he acts like he has split personalities. Frankly, the whole CT nice guy edit and his love story with Diem made for boring television. They think that's what the fans want, but really we want real drama. All we got was Wes playing the villain role for the zillionth time.
[QUOTE=Camille;294896] Frankly, the whole CT nice guy edit and his love story with Diem made for [B]boring[/B] television. They think that's what the fans want, but really we want real drama. All we got was Wes playing the villain role for the zillionth time.[/QUOTE]
Boring? Based on what?
We you look at the numbers of the "preshow" Interview, you can say what "the fans are first intrest in"
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Vinny& Sarah has 27009 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Tyrie&Jasmine has 15869 views
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Nate& Priscilla has 19049 views
Dustin & Heather has 21407 views
Mark & Robin has 19711 views
Rachel & Annesa has 14961 views
Johnny & Camila has 15313 views
Leroy & Naomi has 13421 views
Dunbar & Paula has 13176 views
Ty & Emily has 13956 views
CT & Diem has 28994 views
Wes & Mandi has 12772 views
Abram & CM has 18867 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]They are clearly interest in CT & Diem and listen it was just the first episode. I'm sure the other couples will get there spotlight, too. Just waiting...[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=GDInstall;294902]Boring? Based on what?
We you look at the numbers of the "preshow" Interview, you can say what "the fans are first intrest in"
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Vinny& Sarah has 27009 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Tyrie&Jasmine has 15869 views
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Nate& Priscilla has 19049 views
Dustin & Heather has 21407 views
Mark & Robin has 19711 views
Rachel & Annesa has 14961 views
Johnny & Camila has 15313 views
Leroy & Naomi has 13421 views
Dunbar & Paula has 13176 views
Ty & Emily has 13956 views
CT & Diem has 28994 views
Wes & Mandi has 12772 views
Abram & CM has 18867 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]They are clearly interest in CT & Diem and listen it was just the first episode. I'm sure the other couples will get there spotlight, too. Just waiting...[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
You can't go by a freaking interview, and CT/Diem and Abram/CM interviews were highlighted on MTV.com home page, the others weren't. I'm sure if they showed some fights and hookups other than CT and Diem ****** "love" story, people would enjoy the episode more than this first one.
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;294905]You can't go by a freaking interview, and CT/Diem and Abram/CM interviews were highlighted on MTV.com home page, the others weren't. I'm sure if they showed some fights and hookups other than CT and Diem ****** "love" story, people would enjoy the episode more than this first one.[/QUOTE]
That's your opinion. I'm sure plenty of people would disagree. I personally do, because I love Diem and I love CT. I'm very interested in if they can work past their issues and succeed in the challenge. We all have our own interest in certain relationships on here (Abram and Cara Maria being a close 2nd for me) as you clearly aren't a fan of CT/Diem.
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;294905]You can't go by a freaking interview, and CT/Diem and Abram/CM interviews were highlighted on MTV.com home page, the others weren't. I'm sure if they showed some fights and hookups other than CT and Diem ****** "love" story, people would enjoy the episode more than this first one.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure producers go after interviews, "Views" on MTV and fan favorites to build the first episode, bc the total views of an interview shows if the people are interested in the couple before the show airs. And then they look what the reaction is after the episode/trailer/sneek peeks etc, but for the first episode they only had this stuff as a ground. I'm sure they'll give the other couples air time in the future (just look at the trailer!) and they won't build this whole season around CT/Diem, but for the first episode they did, bc most of the viewers wanted to know how CT/Diem would handle this situation.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;294909][B]I'm sure producers go after interviews, "Views" on MTV and fan favorites to build the first episode[/B], bc the total views of an interview shows if the people are interested in the couple before the show airs. And then they look what the reaction is after the episode/trailer/sneek peeks etc, but for the first episode they only had this stuff as a ground. I'm sure they'll give the other couples air time in the future (just look at the trailer!) and they won't build this whole season around CT/Diem, but for the first episode they did, bc most of the viewers wanted to know how CT/Diem would handle this situation.[/QUOTE]
The first episode is probably already half way edited before the challenge is even finished airing. And all im saying is I thought the premier was boring and it's party due to the overexposure of Diem and CT's relationship. Hopefully it gets better.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;294902]Boring? Based on what?
We you look at the numbers of the "preshow" Interview, you can say what "the fans are first intrest in"
[SIZE=2]Vinny& Sarah has 27009 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Tyrie&Jasmine has 15869 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Nate& Priscilla has 19049 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Dustin & Heather has 21407 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Mark & Robin has 19711 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Rachel & Annesa has 14961 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Johnny & Camila has 15313 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Leroy & Naomi has 13421 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Dunbar & Paula has 13176 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ty & Emily has 13956 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]CT & Diem has 28994 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Wes & Mandi has 12772 views [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Abram & CM has 18867 views[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]They are clearly interest in CT & Diem and listen it was just the first episode. I'm sure the other couples will get there spotlight, too. Just waiting...[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
I don't care about page views over the internet. I can think this episode is boring even if they had 10 times the amount of views as any other couple. You're talking about online exclusive interviews, that's different from an entire episode. I'm saying the episode was boring because they cut out some good drama that went down for the mushy soundbytes given by CT and Diem separately. And anyway the CT & Diem and Cara Maria and Abram videos were more interesting than the CT & Diem stuff on the first episode because they were beyond awkward and dramatic.
[QUOTE=Camille;294916]I'm saying the episode was boring because they [B]cut out some good drama[/B] that went down for the mushy soundbytes given by CT and Diem separately. And anyway the CT & Diem and Cara Maria and Abram videos were more interesting than the CT & Diem stuff on the first episode because they were beyond awkward and dramatic.[/QUOTE]
You know that for sure.....Because of what???? Based on CM Formspring?
[QUOTE=Camille;294916]I don't care about page views over the internet. I can think this episode is boring even if they had 10 times the amount of views as any other couple. You're talking about online exclusive interviews, that's different from an entire episode. I'm saying the episode was boring because they cut out some good drama that went down for the mushy soundbytes given by CT and Diem separately. And anyway the CT & Diem and Cara Maria and Abram videos were more interesting than the CT & Diem stuff on the first episode because they were beyond awkward and dramatic.[/QUOTE]
Fine, Camille, but GDInstall is making a point about the empirical measurement of interest in the various couples,with obvious assumptions that people watch because they like, hate or otherwise want to know (more) about them. The point seems valid if only to suggest that there is a nexus to a likely similar interest the same couples during the episodes themselves.
Of course, you can think anything you want, as you point out, and there is no requirement that you care; however, one of the more consistent characteristics of Vevmoians is that we tend to prefer facts. The unfortunate historical fact of all first episodes of reality shows that repeat themes (the Bachelor/Big Brother), characters (Bachelor Pad) or both (the challenge series) is that producers always find it necessary to coddle the average (non-fanatic) viewers with a lot of fluff up front. That leaves the hard-core fans (usually far less than 20% of all viewers) wanting more.
Personally, I tend to skip most first episodes with the exception of the challenges, because with BMP's edits, I normally find a strong indication storyline and edit that I'll have to choke down every week.
I don't get why she thinks she deserves an apology for what happened with [strike]shavaun if that's the way you spell her name[/strike] Shauvon. They had already broken up. I did not see the season where this happened, so maybe there's something I am missing, if so feel free to explain.
[QUOTE=intlove;295558]I don't get why she thinks she deserves an apology for what happened with [strike]shavaun if that's the way you spell her name[/strike] Shauvon. They had already broken up. I did not see the season where this happened, so maybe there's something I am missing, if so feel free to explain.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how women would put it, but you can never do hairy business with someone else when your ex is right there.
[QUOTE=raskkii;295667]I'm not sure how women would put it, but you can never do hairy business with someone else when your ex is right there.[/QUOTE]
My view is similar, but here: it's a basic rule of human decency - never hook up with someone in front of your ex. It's just rude and extremely awkward especially when you are sharing living quarters.
[QUOTE=raskkii;295667]I'm not sure how women would put it, but you can never do hairy business with someone else when your ex is right there.[/QUOTE]
Hmm well, I am a woman myself, and I guess it would suck but not if I broke it off. The thing is with women, they only feel like crap when they still care and in my opinion, if you still care you should still be with him. From all I've seen he's kind of an ******* but she seems like the only person to have ever really touched him deeply, and to have uncovered a whole new side of him nobody really knew before.
Also, he did it on the roof, someone just told her about it. It's a house full of drunken ***** people. They're always at it, it's in a way, a sick and ********** thing, these competitors in one house and especially Shauvon, that girl has white trash written all over her face and fake *****.
Anyway, I don't know why you'd feel like an idiot, unless it's because you regret dumping him and yes this coming from a woman. A woman who thinks they should be together and that she should stop complaining for an apology cause he seems way more hurt than she does.
[QUOTE=molds13;295669]My view is similar, but here: it's a basic rule of human decency - never hook up with someone in front of your ex. It's just rude and extremely awkward especially when you are sharing living quarters.[/QUOTE]
Well then maybe it's just me. I'm not even a fan of it all happening though, cause Shauvon entered the room like a pig after as well but you know, the complaining about it is what I find strange.
[QUOTE=intlove;295689]Hmm well, I am a woman myself, and I guess it would suck but not if I broke it off. The thing is with women, they only feel like crap when they still care and in my opinion, if you still care you should still be with him. From all I've seen he's kind of an ******* but she seems like the only person to have ever really touched him deeply, and to have uncovered a whole new side of him nobody really knew before.
Also, he did it on the roof, someone just told her about it. It's a house full of drunken ***** people. They're always at it, it's in a way, a sick and ********** thing, these competitors in one house and especially Shauvon, that girl has white trash written all over her face and fake *****.
Anyway, I don't know why you'd feel like an idiot, unless it's because you regret dumping him and yes this coming from a woman. A woman who thinks they should be together and that she should stop complaining for an apology cause he seems way more hurt than she does.
Well then maybe it's just me. I'm not even a fan of it all happening though, cause shauvon entered the room like a pig after as well but you know, the complaining about it is what I find strange.[/QUOTE]
You will never get the full/real story from BMP in 20 second sound bites on a reality show.
[QUOTE=V1man;295691]You will never get the full/real story from BMP in 20 second sound bites on a reality show.[/QUOTE]
True, this is just because of what she mentioned to the rookies on the first episode. She mentioned this whole apology for what happened with Shauvon thing, so I felt like maybe there was more to it.
Ah well.
Wes and Kellyanne were openly fooling around on Ruins with Cohutta and Johanna there ( and Johanna was trying to hook up with Kenny), and this imaginary "don't hook up if your exes are in the house thing" didn't surface. And they were a lot more open about it than CT and Shauvon, who tried to go somewhere private and never showed any PDA in front of any of the cast.
Look, are you people saying that after Diem dumps CT, now CT's forbidden to hook up on a challenge if she's there? Remember she dumped him.
The Diem on the first episode of the Duel 2 was the same childish dramaqueen we saw before her elimination rounds on Fresh Meat 1 and the Duel 1.
[QUOTE=gbp02;295758]Wes and Kellyanne were openly fooling around on Ruins with Cohutta and Johanna there ( and Johanna was trying to hook up with Kenny), and this imaginary "don't hook up if your exes are in the house thing" didn't surface. And they were a lot more open about it than CT and Shauvon, who tried to go somewhere private and never showed any PDA in front of any of the cast.
Look, are you people saying that after Diem dumps CT, now CT's forbidden to hook up on a challenge if she's there? Remember she dumped him.
The Diem on the first episode of the Duel 2 was the same childish dramaqueen we saw before her elimination rounds on Fresh Meat 1 and the Duel 1.[/QUOTE]
One thing is to get to know a person, then hook up with that person with your ex being nearby.
Another thing is having sex with a random person that you just got to know with your ex being near.
[QUOTE=raskkii;295765]One thing is to get to know a person, then hook up with that person with your ex being nearby.
Another thing is having sex with a random person that you just got to know with your ex being near.[/QUOTE]
Shauvon and CT had hooked up before the show. She wasn't random.
[QUOTE=gbp02;295766]Shauvon and CT had hooked up before the show. She wasn't random.[/QUOTE]
And there was also a thing in a parking lot with Kenny after a club appearance, or so the rumors go...
[QUOTE=V1man;294833]You are unaware that my affiliation with this show is not exactly "pro-Diem." I've been on the "Beth" side of that equation from the beginning.[/QUOTE]
I really hope this does not mean you stand by Beth's comments about Diem's cancer.
[QUOTE=g30068g;296037]I really hope this does not mean you stand by Beth's comments about Diem's cancer.[/QUOTE]
You're out of date. What I was referring to, and many here know, is that at the time I was Beth's business partner in her production company.
Diem and Beth put that to rest years ago thanks to a little intervention by Johanna and myself. Beth has mad respect for Diem's charity, MedGift. Beth's comments were driven by her at-the-time ongoing very personal family experience with the disease. The rest is personal between the two of them.
[QUOTE=V1man;296051]Beth's comments were driven by her at-the-time ongoing very personal family experience with the disease.[/QUOTE]
You would think if someone had a very personal experience with it, she would be empathetic and know how to behave, and be the least likely to say something similar to Beth's disgusting comment.
[QUOTE=g30068g;296106]You would think if someone had a very personal experience with it, she would be empathetic and know how to behave, and be the least likely to say something similar to Beth's disgusting comment.[/QUOTE]
You really have no clue what you're talking about, but that apparently won't stop you from stating a highly uninformed opinion. Obviously this now has absolutely nothing to do with Exes.
Um, I'm not quite feeling Diem lathered up in baby oil and stilted on huge wedges. She looks good, but while I think she is going for a sexy look, it looks kind of not sexy.
I'm also not feeling her, period. I hope it's the edit, because she always seems to come across quite self-absorbed, and that's saying a lot in reality tv land. She just seems very mememe.
NOT that I think poor CT is a victim of her callous manipulative ways. I applaud her for breaking up with him, no one should stay in a relationship they feel is not right or healthy, regardless of the reason.
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