Challenge: Rivals - Blood on the Dance Floor

[QUOTE=cystic;266508]How on earth did this episode make me sort of temporarily kind of like Laurel? How?![/QUOTE] LOL because everyone in the house (except for Evelyn and Kenny) decided to get together and go against them over something small and instead of Jenn just act like an ******* by herself, they all decided to join the bandwagon and say "hey let's all be ugly together" and god doesn't like ugly obviously because CM and Laurel stayed.

Mike & Paula - not feeling them together. such a weird match. Mandi & Wes - ugh. both sooo annoying, they deserve each other I can't stand Jenn. So unclassy, eww. Loved Cara Maria's attitude last night. I just love her in general. I'm glad Laurel had her back too... I like how Ev & Kenny sorta kept their distance from all that drama...his Kenny Maria thingy was hilarious though! Haha C.T. --> ***?! He looked so stupid getting all in her face. yuck.

It's sad when the most likable people in an episode are Kenny and Laurel. What has this world come to?

[QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;266548]It's sad when the most likable people in an episode are Kenny and Laurel. What has this world come to?[/QUOTE] AND Evelyn! And Kenny better back up Laurel/CM cause they're supposed to be his friends, but Wes, Tyler and whoever else has no loyalty to CM/Laurel. But still I didn't get why everyone had to be so ******** about it.

[QUOTE=Blue123;266552]AND Evelyn! And Kenny better back up Laurel/CM cause they're supposed to be his friends, but Wes, Tyler and whoever else has no loyalty to CM/Laurel. But still I didn't get why everyone had to be so ******** about it.[/QUOTE] I have no problem with Evelyn, but I usually DESPISE Kenny. When he said he'd wear black to the Jungle, I actually liked him for a split second. I was a little disappointed to see Mike and Leroy wearing blue too. I thought they were nice guys, but I guess they have to do what they have to do to survive in the game. Can't really go against the crowd I guess.

Mike and Leroy might actually be friends with Jonna and Jasmine. Don't think they were doing it to spite Cara Maria and Laurel like everyone else was.

[QUOTE=the_cactus;266560]Mike and Leroy might actually be friends with Jonna and Jasmine. Don't think they were doing it to spite Cara Maria and Laurel like everyone else was.[/QUOTE] But their whole attitude throughout this challenge is to not **** anyone off and go with the crowd, don't stand out. It worked i guess, they lasted this long. But i can't stand that rookie, follower mentality, Jonna and Jasmine were awesome though, they didn't give a F.

I'm glad Laurel said the only thing I could think of when I saw everyone wearing blue. "It's...purple." Seriously guys? If you're going to rally up and try to root for a team at least get their color right (which I guess at least Leroy and Mandi did). Either way, I've always had a soft spot for both Laurel and CM, but this episode made them my favorite team so far. The mindless bullying from Jenn just made her look worse off. 'Status' doesn't mean much when you're still without a challenge win just like they are. I like Jenn, but she definitely has no room to talk right now.

[QUOTE=eggrolledsnake;266564]Either way, I've always had a soft spot for both Laurel and CM, but this episode made them my favorite team so far. The mindless bullying from Jenn just made her look worse off. 'Status' doesn't mean much when you're still without a challenge win just like they are. I like Jenn, but she definitely has no room to talk right now.[/QUOTE] You know... I always want to like Laurel. I'll go into a challenge and be like, "I'm going to root for Laurel this time" and then she does something that makes me dislike her a lot: FM 2 it was having Kenny as a partner (not her fault at all) and Cutthroat it was her treatment of Eric, Cara Maria, Abram, Luke, basically her whole team. This challenge she started off acting like she was super awesome when she kept DQ'ing, but I really respected that she had Cara Maria's back. Also, I don't think I'd ever heard her laugh before.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;266178]I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of the show after this episode. They repeated a random Jungle out of the blue, where Jonna and Jasmine had absolute zero chance of winning. And apparently all of a sudden you are allowed to shove people against tables with no repercussions.[/QUOTE] It took you this long, and more specifically this situation to make you questions things? Come on man.

This episode left me with so many questions... 1) Why do CT/Ev allow Adam/Paula control how they are going to vote? They are the leaders of the partnership, and they both are really close with Jonna/Jasmine. Why not take control and vote for Mandi/Jenn? They could've had majority with Leroy&Mike, Jasmine&Jonna, and Laurel&CM. 2) Why did they suddenly start repeating Jungles this late in the game? That's the one Jungle that Jasmine and Jonna had absolutely no shot at. 3) Does anyone like Jenn still? I can't stand her now. She acts so entitled and such a complacent competitor. She's not gonna beat Ev/Paula and CM/Laurel in a final (I'm guessing), she probably should've tried to get rid of one of them. 4) Why is Wes taunting CM and saying that she's an outcast? Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but Wes was an outcast on Ruins and FM2, and the only reason he isn't this time is because he's partnered with Kenny. 5) Why did CT suddenly turn on Laurel?

Put all the attitudes aside, the personalities, and just put in the game. The best team will always advance to the next level, the losing team will always face another opponent in the game, until the losing team is eliminated. The best team won in this round, BUT Jasmine and Jonna did well too. I say the two worst teams should have faced off and let the remaining teams stay, even if that meant that Mandi and Jenn did better than Jasmine and Jonna. However, this game is not like that, and apparently Jenn has a say in everything. Also, someone said she is similar to Veronica, and I agree. It would be interesting to see a new cast treat Jenn just like they treated Veronica when she decided to play... off topic. Too bad production couldn't have a better elimination instead of a repeat...

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;266178]I'm really starting to question the legitimacy of the show after this episode. They repeated a random Jungle out of the blue, where Jonna and Jasmine had absolute zero chance of winning. And apparently all of a sudden you are allowed to shove people against tables with no repercussions.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kristalie;266223]1. Cara Maria was RIGHT during the line up discussion. Laurel was SPEAKING to Ct and Jenn was in his bed making out with him every night. *** difference does it make? 2. Jenn is all bark, no bite. I LOVED how CM stood up to her laughing and clapping in her face and daring her to do something. 3. Loved the next day CM's comments when Jenn was putting on her show in the kitchen making fun of her. "Have a few more drinks". 4. Lost respect for EVERYONE that wore blue tonight. It's one thing to support someone but when you see the whole house is bullying them... that's just cruel. Kenny made me happy and she knew about the Kenny Maria thing, she always jokes about it with him. 5. I hate Tyler this season. And Wes. The only thing that have to say bad about Cara Maria is that she loves horses? ****.. grasping at straws. Pathetic. 6. Used to hate Laurel but love her now. And I love that Evelyn wore Cara Maria's shirt.. she's always been one of my favorites. 7. Cara Maria is ****** stunning. Do you think that's why she gets so much hate? Alo, the DQ has nothing to do with her or Laurel really. It was a terrible challenge.[/QUOTE] 1. The only difference that wasnt mentioned in the episode is that Kenny, Johnny, Tyler and Wes are friends/friendly with Adam. None of them like CT. 2. Thought CM looked stupid doing this. What was Jenn gonna do, hit her? Silly to dare her to do anything the morning after. 4. If someone was in my alliance, then suddenly wanted to go against another member of our alliance, I would feel betrayed by that person/team and would want them to go home as well. Made complete sense to me.

[QUOTE=bigworm;266583]1. The only difference that wasnt mentioned in the episode is that Kenny, Johnny, Tyler and Wes are friends/friendly with Adam. None of them like CT. 2. Thought CM looked stupid doing this. What was Jenn gonna do, hit her? Silly to dare her to do anything the morning after. 4. If someone was in my alliance, then suddenly wanted to go against another member of our alliance, I would feel betrayed by that person/team and would want them to go home as well. Made complete sense to me.[/QUOTE] So let me get this straight. You think Jenn was justified to go up to CM in the club because CM was venting (about Jenn) and you think it's stupid for CM to do the same (confront her) when Jenn was doing even worse by mocking her in the kitchen with her whole entourage?

While everyone is raging over CT and Jenn, I'm gonna say Wes royally ****** me off this episode (not that I ever find him bearable, but still). The way he turned on Laurel and CM to support J&J was mind-blowing. Uhm, wasnt it 2 or 3 weeks ago that you were telling J&J that they were idiots and dug their own grave because they voted against you? I honestly don't believe Wes plays with any alliance, not with how fast he changes his mind about things. He just does whatever gets him the farthest in the game and allows him to talk the most ****. Also, I was wildly confused with CTs stance on the voting. If he was playing strategy, wouldnt it make the most sense to throw in Jenn and Mandi because saving J&J would ensure he had another team to vote in favor for him next week? Cuz God knows they want him in the Jungle so hes not in the finals. If he was going against Laurel just to **** her off, then thats really stupid. The only logical reason that comes to mind is that he didnt want to have to deal with Adam bawing over his "girl" possibly going home...But now the only team that would support him is Mike and Leroy, I think. Overall, I enjoyed this episode, because any episode that instills strong emotions in me is a good episode in my eyes... isnt that why we all watch reality tv, anyways? Also, this: [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11200][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/39924e3b327a92231.png[/img][/url]

[QUOTE=Cristina;266623] Also, I was wildly confused with CTs stance on the voting. If he was playing strategy, wouldnt it make the most sense to throw in Jenn and Mandi because saving J&J would ensure he had another team to vote in favor for him next week? Cuz God knows they want him in the Jungle so hes not in the finals. If he was going against Laurel just to **** her off, then thats really stupid. The only logical reason that comes to mind is that he didnt want to have to deal with Adam bawing over his "girl" possibly going home...But now the only team that would support him is Mike and Leroy, I think. [/QUOTE] ^This. Exactly what I couldn't understand. If there were ever a way for CT to overthrow the alliance, this would have been his chance IMO.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;266590]So let me get this straight. You think Jenn was justified to go up to CM in the club because CM was venting (about Jenn) and you think it's stupid for CM to do the same (confront her) when Jenn was doing even worse by mocking her in the kitchen with her whole entourage?[/QUOTE] I'm going to just simplify my stance on this. I think Jenn looked like an arrogant *** with the way she reacted to everything. However, I don't understand the people that say they feel sorry for CM. She brought this whole situation on herself. If anyone disagrees with that please show me where someone else started it. If you agree, then that is all I'm saying. Just like in FM2 when she couldn't keep her emotions in check when she knew she was going into Exile, and the result of her running her mouth and not controlling her emotions put her in this situation. I don't see how you can argue that, but again if anyone does I'd like for them to explain why.

[QUOTE=Cristina;266623]While everyone is raging over CT and Jenn, I'm gonna say Wes royally ****** me off this episode (not that I ever find him bearable, but still). The way he turned on Laurel and CM to support J&J was mind-blowing. Uhm, wasnt it 2 or 3 weeks ago that you were telling J&J that they were idiots and dug their own grave because they voted against you? I honestly don't believe Wes plays with any alliance, not with how fast he changes his mind about things. He just does whatever gets him the farthest in the game and allows him to talk the most ****.[/QUOTE] Yes Wes really got under my skin too, he was making those smart *** comments and ****. I was like, wait weren't you just on their side?

[QUOTE=bigworm;266641]I'm going to just simplify my stance on this. However, I don't understand the people that say they feel sorry for CM. She brought this whole situation on herself. If anyone disagrees with that please show me where someone else started it. If you agree, then that is all I'm saying. [/QUOTE] Because Cara Maria is right. Laurel is flirting with CT, and Jenn is doing whatever with Adam. That team is the "enemy". She brought up a very valid point, and Jenn couldn't take that she was right. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. Cara Maria was probably forced to go to the club by production. She didn't want to dance, and she was focused on how Jenn got by. Jenn talks **** all the time without any repercussions. Cara Maria is allowed to say what she wants as well. Jenn **should've** just said "whatever" and continued having fun. Instead she went psycho on CM for something that CM is right about and is ALLOWED to talk about. Is CM supposed to live in fear and keep her mouth shut at all times? Cara Maria and Laurel basically called out Jenn and Mandi, and Jenn just looked stupid acting like she's this "status" girl who can beat anyone's ***. Really? Then why is she so focused on not going against them? Why does she never win?

I don't get why Jenn was so mad that CM wanted her in the Jungle. 1) CM did NOT say that Jenn deserves to go in because she's been sucking. 2) At this point, every other single team has gone in. Why NOT Jenn and Mandi? 3) When have teams had to give reasons before for who they wanted to go in? I can understand why Jenn would want to stay out, but it's stupid to get mad. And I still don't understand why she can get away with shoving CM out of anger and an intent to hurt and not get kicked off. That is SUCH BS.

[QUOTE=gnarly;266651]Because Cara Maria is right. Laurel is flirting with CT, and Jenn is doing whatever with Adam. That team is the "enemy". She brought up a very valid point, and Jenn couldn't take that she was right. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. Cara Maria was probably forced to go to the club by production. She didn't want to dance, and she was focused on how Jenn got by. Jenn talks **** all the time without any repercussions. Cara Maria is allowed to say what she wants as well. Jenn **should've** just said "whatever" and continued having fun. Instead she went psycho on CM for something that CM is right about and is ALLOWED to talk about. Is CM supposed to live in fear and keep her mouth shut at all times? Cara Maria and Laurel basically called out Jenn and Mandi, and Jenn just looked stupid acting like she's this "status" girl who can beat anyone's ***. Really? Then why is she so focused on not going against them? Why does she never win?[/QUOTE] Once the deliberation was over with, why can't Cara Maria let it go. Clearly Jenn was over it by the time she was at the club, but little miss sunshine wasn't. So she decides to keep it going. Let it go. You're going in against the two smallest people who have ever competed in this shows history. Let loose and have some fun, and if you can't do that, do not ruin someone else's fun because you want to be a debbie downer. Step up to the plate and go in, otherwise don't DQ. CM looked scared and weak in this situation.

[QUOTE=gnarly;266651]Because Cara Maria is right. Laurel is flirting with CT, and Jenn is doing whatever with Adam. That team is the "enemy". She brought up a very valid point, and Jenn couldn't take that she was right. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. Cara Maria was probably forced to go to the club by production. She didn't want to dance, and she was focused on how Jenn got by. Jenn talks **** all the time without any repercussions. Cara Maria is allowed to say what she wants as well. Jenn **should've** just said "whatever" and continued having fun. Instead she went psycho on CM for something that CM is right about and is ALLOWED to talk about. Is CM supposed to live in fear and keep her mouth shut at all times? Cara Maria and Laurel basically called out Jenn and Mandi, and Jenn just looked stupid acting like she's this "status" girl who can beat anyone's ***. Really? Then why is she so focused on not going against them? Why does she never win?[/QUOTE] I realize we're not going to get anywhere in our debate, so let's see if we can agree on this. Kenny Maria was pretty funny. Wes might have the worst ****** hair I've ever seen. And as Evan said, Mike and Paula are a strange match, but it just seems to work. Johnny's description of CT's outfits was spot on and hilarious.

They should really just have 5 different elimination options that the cast members pick from like they used to.

As much as I wanted to Jasmine and Jonna in the final, I think Jenn and Mandi should do pretty well--Mandi was a distance runner before the challenges, and Jenn seemed to have good endurance on CutThroat. Hopefully they'll put up a fight, but honestly I don't see them beating Evelyn/Paula or CM/Laurel.

I thought this episode was pretty poor :( The challenge sucked basically. Sad to see J&J go, I dont care for Laurel or CM much. The Jungle was SO obviously rigged. The fight was ****, and Jenn is so annoying. She's just not funny like Coral was. Kenny and Tyler made me laugh with their remarks haha. CT seemed to go from the outcast to part of the group at the very last minute. By the way, I dont think Tyler and CT dislike each other, they are just part of different "teams" this season. I think they get along fine. JEKW are the ones that seem to have an issue with him.

[QUOTE=bigworm;266713][B]Once the deliberation was over with, why can't Cara Maria let it go. Clearly Jenn was over it by the time she was at the club, but little miss sunshine wasn't. So she decides to keep it going. [/B] Let it go. You're going in against the two smallest people who have ever competed in this shows history. Let loose and have some fun, and if you can't do that, do not ruin someone else's fun because you want to be a debbie downer. Step up to the plate and go in, otherwise don't DQ. CM looked scared and weak in this situation.[/QUOTE] Didn't Jenn say the following morning that she was still heated about the situation?

[QUOTE=bigworm;266713]Once the deliberation was over with, why can't Cara Maria let it go. Clearly Jenn was over it by the time she was at the club, but little miss sunshine wasn't. So she decides to keep it going. Let it go. You're going in against the two smallest people who have ever competed in this shows history. Let loose and have some fun, and if you can't do that, do not ruin someone else's fun because you want to be a debbie downer. Step up to the plate and go in, otherwise don't DQ. CM looked scared and weak in this situation.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cara Maria was minding her own business until Johnny decided to be nice and talked to her. She can vent if she wants to. If Jenn had wanted to vent about CM, I'd bet CM would not react that way. Jenn is obnoxious and shouldn't have even started anything. All they do in the house is party as it is, who cares if she didn't want to pretend like she wasn't upset and party? I, for one, will not party if I don't feel like partying. Plain and simple. She was forced to be there. And maybe CM is emotionally weak, but she basically called Jenn and Mandi out, and Jenn and Mandi didn't step up. Doesn't that make them weak and not her? I'm pretty sure that CM/Laurel would mop the floor with them. I'm not trying to argue, I get you're point that you think CM should've just moved on, but people liked CM in the situation because of how Jenn reacted. And then Jenn was the one who wouldn't let it go even the next morning. [QUOTE]I realize we're not going to get anywhere in our debate, so let's see if we can agree on this. Kenny Maria was pretty funny. Wes might have the worst ****** hair I've ever seen. And as Evan said, Mike and Paula are a strange match, but it just seems to work. Johnny's description of CT's outfits was spot on and hilarious. [/QUOTE] All this I completely agree with (finally!). lol Johnny and Kenny can be jerks sometimes, but they are freakin hilarious. And they've both shown more of their good sides this challenge. I'm a fan of them both too.

A small little thing to add that I've heard now is that apparently Tyler and Paula were also in on the yell-fest at the club against Cara Maria. Apparently Cara was wearing a hat and Tyler knocked it off her head or something like that on purpose. Something tells me that we're missing something here, but I can't see what CM could have done to garner this.

The challenge in this episode (like many of the other challenges this season) does not translate well on TV. I get that production thinks these challenges are fun for the cast, but I'd imagine they're boring to most viewers. Seeing the challengers shoot water at each other is not must see TV. I would've loved for Laurel to step in between Jenn and Cara Maria and get in Jenn's face the way Teresa got between Jasmine and Camila. Jasmine, of course, was able to punk Teresa. Jenn on the other hand is pretty much all talk. She wouldn't shove Laurel. Wes said something like "If everyone here dislikes you, then you're the problem." When he said that, I thought to myself, "Wes, isn't that how most challengers felt about you the past few seasons?"

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;266842]A small little thing to add that I've heard now is that apparently Tyler and Paula were also in on the yell-fest at the club against Cara Maria. Apparently Cara was wearing a hat and Tyler knocked it off her head or something like that on purpose. Something tells me that we're missing something here, but I can't see what CM could have done to garner this.[/QUOTE] Wow.. that's incredibly disrepectful of Tyler. I just think Jenn's entourage is stupid and wanted to protect her. Jenn, Tyler, CT, Paula, Wes, and Mandi all lose points in my book, while Cara Maria, Laurel, Johnny (for being nice to CM at the club and not joining in bullying her, and for making me laugh lol), Kenny, and Ev all gain points. They were bullying her. And I think it's so funny that Wes talks about being a good person and then is so hypocritical and joins in to bully her.