The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

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[QUOTE=gnarly;260608]I think so too. Kenny's and Evan's "acts" get kind of old. Evan's jokes are getting pretty lame actually (maybe that's why he hasn't got much camera time?). I still think Kenny's funny, but I think Johnny is more real and funnier. Like I said, I think underneath the outspokenness and arguments, Johnny is a good guy.[/QUOTE] Really, do you think that a guy who pushed a girl is a good guy?

Who did he push?

He pushed Evelyn in the Ruins, and he keeps talking trash about her on Twitter.

[QUOTE=alucard666;260611]Really, do you think that a guy who pushed a girl it's a good guy[/QUOTE] I remember him pushing Ev. Did anyone find out exactly what he said to Ev a few challenges back? It was something very insulting towards her apparently. Johnny doesn't seem to have much respect towards women in general it seems.

[QUOTE]He pushed Evelyn in the Ruins, and he keeps talking trash about her in twitter.[/QUOTE] I remember that. He didn't really "push" her, as in a violent way. You're acting like it was a violent shove. He just lifted her arm to get her out of his face. I think every person has a right to get people out of their personal space, whether it be girl or guy.

[QUOTE=gnarly;260616]I remember that. He didn't really "push" her, as in a violent way. You're acting like it was a violent shove. He just lifted her arm to get her out of his face. I think every person has a right to get people out of their personal space, whether it be girl or guy.[/QUOTE] Oh really why didn't he push Wes

[URL="http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10913"][IMG]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/7104e222d9fd9411.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Why can't they re-run the Inferno II on regular MTV? It's playing on MTV tres! They're apparently doing a marathon now of Inferno II in order according to a fellow IMDB user (not this picture)

He pushed a woman that's why Wes got mad at him, but he didn' t do anything when Wes was in his face

Oh my god let it go! I wouldn't push Wes either, Wes was going psycho like a mini-CT!!

So he has the guts to push a woman who is in his face but not a man, what a coward.

[QUOTE=alucard666;260622]So he has the guts to push a woman who is in his face but not a man, what a coward.[/QUOTE] Like I said, he didn't even push her. I never even got why they got in his face in the first place. It was the entire Champion team (Evan and Kenny included) who chose to put Evelyn against KellyAnne, and Evelyn got in his face just because of the history they have on The Island. They put that away, but Ev decided to bring it back up. Technically, it was a smart move because Ev was the only one that could've beaten KellyAnne and KellyAnne was the strongest female Challenger. He probably didn't want to push Wes because Wes would probably want to fight. Call it cowardice, but when you're there you have to think about money. Getting sent some for a fight about nothing seems stupid. Obviously you have something against him, so why don't we just agree to disagree. You think he's a coward, I think he's a good guy with some not so great moments.

Johnny didn't exactly push her. All he did was extend his forearm so she wasn't all up in his grill. He could be be defined a coward for doing that to Ev and not Wes but Wes' blow up was completely overboard.

[QUOTE=gnarly;260625]Like I said, he didn't even push her. I never even got why they got in his face in the first place. It was the entire Champion team (Evan and Kenny included) who chose to put Evelyn against KellyAnne, and Evelyn got in his face just because of the history they have on The Island. They put that away, but Ev decided to bring it back up. Technically, it was a smart move because Ev was the only one that could've beaten KellyAnne and KellyAnne was the strongest female Challenger. He probably didn't want to push Wes because Wes would probably want to fight. Call it cowardice, but when you're there you have to think about money. Getting sent some for a fight about nothing seems stupid. Obviously you have something against him, so why don't we just agree to disagree. You think he's a coward, I think he's a good guy with some not so great moments.[/QUOTE] I don't have anything against him, in fact I like JEK but sometimes they act like jerks.

Or it was a really stupid move because they just pissed off their strongest female competitor by putting her against her best (and on that challenge, ONLY) friend, right at the beginning, when she said that was the ONE person she didn't want to be against and she would have gone against ANYONE else, and she would have taken KA out closer to the final if it was necessary.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;260632]Or it was a really stupid move because they just pissed off their strongest female competitor by putting her against her best (and on that challenge, ONLY) friend, right at the beginning, when she said that was the ONE person she didn't want to be against and she would have gone against ANYONE else, and she would have taken KA out closer to the final if it was necessary.[/QUOTE] I don't think that was a bad move, it would of either taken out one of the Challengers' stronger girls, or reduce the cut at the end (end result). [strike]eveyln[/strike] Evelyn wasn't on good terms with many of the Champions, in particular the main alliance, and [strike]kellyane[/strike] Kelly Anne was in a rough spot on her team because she was dating Wes. That move made sense. Also keeping Casey ensured victories for all but one of the other challenges.

[QUOTE=RWRRULES;260639]I don't think that was a bad move, it would of either taken out one of the Challengers' stronger girls, or reduce the cut at the end (end result). [strike]eveyln[/strike] Evelyn wasn't on good terms with many of the Champions, in particular the main alliance, and [strike]kellyane[/strike] Kelly Anne was in a rough spot on her team because she was dating Wes. That move made sense. Also keeping Casey ensured victories for all but one of the other challenges.[/QUOTE] But during deliberation, Evelyn made it clear that she WASN'T ok with it, and she wouldn't take out Kelly Anne and then come back to help the team win. I don't see why they either could send in Susie to take out KA, or Katie to get rid of Katie, someone who would contribute less to the team than Evelyn.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;260632]Or it was a really stupid move because they just pissed off their strongest female competitor by putting her against her best (and on that challenge, ONLY) friend, right at the beginning, when she said that was the ONE person she didn't want to be against and she would have gone against ANYONE else, and she would have taken KA out closer to the final if it was necessary.[/QUOTE] I think it was smart because they NEEDED to get rid of KellyAnne, and I think Evelyn would've been the only one able to do it. Susie might have been able to do it, but it wouldn't be as good of a chance. I mean, look at the damage KA did during the finale. Her and Sarah were REALLY close to taking out four really strong guys and a strong girl by themselves. If Evelyn would've taken out KA, the Challengers would've basically been finished on the girls' side, and the Challengers' only strength were their girls that season, so it would've guarenteed a win. Don't get me wrong though, I'm glad KellyAnne made it through. She's one of my favorite female contestants ever.

They didn't "NEED" to get rid of KA at all. They would have beat the challengers with or without her. And if KA was such a great competitor, why would they risk their best female competitor that early on in the game? They clearly made that move to **** off Wes.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;260644]They didn't "NEED" to get rid of KA at all. They would have beat the challengers with or without her. And if KA was such a great competitor, why would they risk their best female competitor that early on in the game? They clearly made that move to **** off Wes.[/QUOTE] Because the Challenger girls that were nominated (Casey and Shauvon, arguably the worst female contestants ever) made a deal with JEK to get KellyAnne out because if they went up for elimination they would definitely lose. The Challengers had no idea how to play the game because otherwise they wouldn't have put their best female player up for elimination. Why would the Champions want to get rid of Casey or Shauvon? KellyAnne, in contrast, could've beat any girl except Ev. It made sense when you think about it, because they knew they could get rid of Katie later on in the game, but it might have been their only chance to get rid of KellyAnne.

It was Casey, KellyAnne, and Kim, not Shauvon. Ev and Wes expected them to put her up against Kim. KellyAnne was a good competitor, but not good enough to worry about it being your "only" chance to get rid of her. The champions were a much, much better team than the challengers and would have won regardless. Edit: I stand corrected. Ev and Wes voted for her against Casey, you're right. But either way, the champions didn't need to get rid of KA to win.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;260647]It was Casey, KellyAnne, and Kim, not Shauvon. Ev and Wes expected them to put her up against Kim. KellyAnne was a good competitor, but not good enough to worry about it being your "only" chance to get rid of her. The champions were a much, much better team than the challengers and would have won regardless. Edit: I stand corrected. Ev and Wes voted for her against Casey, you're right. But either way, the champions didn't need to get rid of KA to win.[/QUOTE] KellyAnne is one of the best female Challengers in my opinion, not in upper-body strength, but in swimming, running, and being a general athlete she is. I suppose you're right, but KellyAnne was their best female competitor, you have to admit, so it did make sense to want to get rid of her. I mean afterall, like I said, her and Sarah did come extremely close to take down JEK, Susie, and Derrick. You're only as good as your weakest teammate in a final race like that, so think of it that way.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;260647]It was Casey, KellyAnne, and Kim, not Shauvon. Ev and Wes expected them to put her up against Kim. KellyAnne was a good competitor, but not good enough to worry about it being your "only" chance to get rid of her. The champions were a much, much better team than the challengers and would have won regardless. Edit: I stand corrected. Ev and Wes voted for her against Casey, you're right. But either way, the champions didn't need to get rid of KA to win.[/QUOTE] Wikipedia says it was Shauvon, not Kim. But she was at the hospital and probably inelligible. Either way, it was cause Johnny doesn't like Ev at all. He did the same thing to Tyler on G3, despite it making no sense. Like why would Johnny want to get rid of a girl who would take out their girls since he's got that "Women are useless" attitude.

Wikipedia sucks, don't vorry about that.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;260632]Or it was a really stupid move because they just pissed off their strongest female competitor by putting her against her best (and on that challenge, ONLY) friend, right at the beginning, when she said that was the ONE person she didn't want to be against and she would have gone against ANYONE else, and she would have taken KA out closer to the final if it was necessary.[/QUOTE] I think it was a smart move to send them up against each other, Wes and Evelyn were just being too sensitive. If Ev had no problem sending KellyAnne home later, then why not do the same thing earlier and take out a good player so you can win more money per challenge win? TBH I only like Ev on 2 challenges: the Island and this one- Rivals. She has shown many times that her relationships with people are more important than the game. I don't mind that as much, but it kind of contradicts with her severe competitiveness. Pitting Ev vs KellyAnne was a great move... and obviously (based on the edit), it seemed as though KellyAnne wasn't that great of a friend either since she didn't tell Ev to just try her best like I think a good friend should. Ev had to make the sacrifice and KellyAnne just let her. It just seemed as though she was willing to do that for KA, but not the other way around. Plus didn't Ev have problems with the Champions team anyway? (In particular JEK?) So both were win/win situations for them. If EV stayed, she sent KA home and if Ev went, less drama for JEK. The only downside about that move was that Ev may have returned to screw over her team.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;260686]I think it was a smart move to send them up against each other, Wes and Evelyn were just being too sensitive. [b]If Ev had no problem sending KellyAnne home later, then why not do the same thing earlier[/b] and take out a good player so you can win more money per challenge win? TBH I only like Ev on 2 challenges: the Island and this one- Rivals. She has shown many times that her relationships with people are more important than the game. I don't mind that as much, but it kind of contradicts with her severe competitiveness. Pitting Ev vs KellyAnne was a great move... and obviously (based on the edit), it seemed as though KellyAnne wasn't that great of a friend either since she didn't tell Ev to just try her best like I think a good friend should. Ev had to make the sacrifice and KellyAnne just let her. It just seemed as though she was willing to do that for KA, but not the other way around. [/QUOTE] I agree, a very smart move by JEK. As far as why not take KA out earlier if Ev was going to do it later anyway, like someone said that was her only friend so despite her being on the other team she was the only one to really hang out with in the house and enjoy her stay on the challenge. As the Champions proved it didn't matter that KA was on the team to win the regular challenges (she didn't make a difference). So if I were Ev I would want her around as long as possible too, especially if she were my only friend. Another thing, I haven't watched the Ruins in a while but I thought KA told Ev to not throw it but maybe that's just in my head. I thought she kinda just dropped it because Ev was just going to do what she wanted in the end. Lastly, I love KA she is one of my favorites and in my opinion one of the best females and I hope if there are more challenges she returns (especially if it is a Duel!!!).

So did anybody watch the Inferno 2 on TV? It was on MTVtres, the marathon.

I would've, but I don't have that channel. :(

Did you guys watch the after show for the 2nd episode of the ruins? Ev explained herself pretty well and she made a lot of sense. She was saying it was a bad strategic move because it made no sense to put the 2 strongest girls against each other so early, they could use Kelly Anne to get rid of their own weak girls, so they should have put in Katie. And besides it did seem to be out of spite because Evan even said we made a deal with Wes knowing we were going to throw his gf in and he also said, we were going to try and get rid of KA and further isolate Wes, little did we know that Evelyn would join forces with the dark side, or something like that. Here's the after show if anyone wants to see it. [url=http://www.mtv.com/videos/the-ruins-ep-2-after-show/1622871/playlist.jhtml#series=2212&seriesId=28487&channelId=1]The Ruins | Ep. 2 | After Show | MTV[/url]