[QUOTE=jojorules;258232]Everyone says how unbearably cocky Wes is, he probably did something else besides just say he was going to try to get rid of him, and no one even attempted to separate them or tell Ct to shut up, [B]so they probably all enjoyed watching Wes get yelled at and do nothing about it.[/B][/QUOTE]Throwing his mattress out the window, flicking his hat, yelling "get the **** out of here" to his face is not doing anything? Seems like we are watching two different clips...
[QUOTE=jojorules;258232]Everyone says how unbearably cocky Wes is, he probably did something else besides just say he was going to try to get rid of him, and no one even attempted to separate them or tell Ct to shut up, so they probably all enjoyed watching Wes get yelled at and do nothing about it.[/QUOTE]
Why would anyone in his/her right mind want to get in the line of fire of this nutcase to try to break up a one way screamfest? He would only turn his anger onto that person.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;258233]Throwing his mattress out the window, flicking his hat, yelling "get the **** out of here" [B]to his face is not doing anything?[/B] Seems like we are watching two different clips...[/QUOTE]
So he waits till CT stops yelling at him and throws his mattress out the window is some kind of manly retaliation? He flicked his cap when others were around in the daytime and than walked away. Not really standing up for yourself, but i don't condone violence so i am glad they didn't fight
He is mature to walk away, but he didn't "do anything about it" ..Standing up to him would have been doing something, not just saying 1-2 things and than being yelled at for 7 hours in his face while staring at the ground. He didn't have to punch him, but he could have yelled back in his face and if Ct hits him, Ct goes him either way.
No one seemed in a hurry to say "enough CT" or get them away from each other, i think most of the cast liked seeing Wes get called out. Based on podcasts, that confirms it
[QUOTE=jojorules;258235]So he waits till CT stops yelling at him and throws his mattress out the window is some kind of manly retaliation? He flicked his cap when others were around and than walked away.
He is mature to walk away, but he didn't "do anything about it" ..Standing up to him would have been doing something, not just saying 1-2 things and than being yelled at for 7 hours in his face while staring at the ground. He didn't have to punch him, but he could have yelled back in his face and if Ct hits him, Ct goes him either way.[/QUOTE]Oh so now you're changing your tune. At first it was "he didn't do anything" and now it's "that wasn't a manly retaliation". So which is it?
Stand up to him for what? CT was just ranting away, there was nothing Wes needed to say. It was clear he was not as into the argument as CT was. There is really no point in getting in his face when neither of them were going to do anything at that point.
[QUOTE=jojorules;258232]Everyone says how unbearably cocky Wes is, he probably did something else besides just say he was going to try to get rid of him, and no one even attempted to separate them or tell Ct to shut up, so they probably all enjoyed watching Wes get yelled at and do nothing about it.[/QUOTE]
It looked like no one was there when he was talking to him at 2am, and Brandon and Nehemiah were half asleep. They're grown men and Wes didn't need any help, he just didn't care that CT was yelling that's why he didn't bother arguing back. They only break up fights when people are about to get physical and every one knew they weren't going to. And judging by everyone's face besides Leory they didn't look like they were enjoying it they all looked like they were tired of hearing CT complain. Lol I'd be ****** if I was Brandon and Nehemiah they were trying to sleep and CT comes in at 4am making noise, like go to sleep ****!
[QUOTE=Blue123;258237]It looked like no one was there when he was talking to him at 2am, and Brandon and Nehemiah were half asleep. They're grown men and Wes didn't need any help, he just didn't care that CT was yelling that's why he didn't bother arguing back. They only break up fights when people are about to get physical and every one knew they weren't going to. And judging by everyone's face besides Leory they didn't look like they were enjoying it they all looked like they were tired of hearing CT complain. Lol I'd be ****** if I was Brandon and Nehemiah they were trying to sleep and CT comes in at 4am making noise, like go to sleep damn![/QUOTE]
Yea. It looks like from the trailer/clip they cut parts that weren't and were there. So when the episode airs, it will probably make more sense. Maybe, or CT just yells at him for 7 hours haha. Either way from the podcasts so far, everyone says they don't mind or like Wes, but can't stand his attitude. Leroy/Paula seemed to be laughing their assess off during the day part of it.
[QUOTE=jojorules;258235]So he waits till CT stops yelling at him and throws his mattress out the window is some kind of manly retaliation? He flicked his cap when others were around in the daytime and than walked away. Not really standing up for yourself, but i don't condone violence so i am glad they didn't fight
He is mature to walk away, but he didn't "do anything about it" ..Standing up to him would have been doing something, not just saying 1-2 things and than being yelled at for 7 hours in his face while staring at the ground. He didn't have to punch him, but he could have yelled back in his face and if Ct hits him, Ct goes him either way.
No one seemed in a hurry to say "enough CT" or get them away from each other, i think most of the cast liked seeing Wes get called out. Based on podcasts, that confirms it[/QUOTE]
So, you wanted Wes to scream back at CT, "No I can beat you up." CT retorts, "No, I can beat you up". Wes comes back at him with a, "I'm tougher than you." CT responds, "No, I'm tougher than you," then they can stick their tongues out at each other and blow.
That would have solved a lot as well as being real mature too (like throwing a mattress out of the window, lol). There's nothing Wes could have done short of punching CT in the mouth to make some people believe he wasn't afraid of big man CT.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;258236]Oh so now you're changing your tune. At first it was "he didn't do anything" and now it's "that wasn't a manly retaliation". So which is it?
Stand up to him for what? CT was just ranting away, there was nothing Wes needed to say. It was clear he was not as into the argument as CT was. There is really no point in getting in his face when neither of them were going to do anything at that point.[/QUOTE]
Actually you are putting words in my mouth.
You posted Saying F off and throwing his mattress out the window isn't retaliation when i said he did nothing, to which i replied, that is not retaliation. He waits till CT leaves and "mans" up and throws his mattress? So you are the one saying first he did retaliate, than in the above quoted post how he doesn't have to. So i could ask the same question to you,which is it?
i was just responding to you that what you consider him standing up to him, i did not. Not going to argue with you and make it about us, we just disagree, that is my point i am moving on.
[QUOTE=jojorules;258241]Actually you are putting words in my mouth.
You posted Saying F off and throwing his mattress out the window isn't retaliation when i said he did nothing, to which i replied, that is not retaliation. He waits till CT leaves and "mans" up and throws his mattress? So you are the one saying first he did retaliate, than in the above quoted post how he doesn't have to. So i could ask the same question to you,which is it?
i was just responding to you that what you consider him standing up to him, i did not. Not going to argue with you and make it about us, we just disagree, that is my point i am moving on.[/QUOTE]You said the rest of the cast was enjoying watching CT yell at Wes with Wes not doing anything. I replied by saying he did do something and posted examples. I don't know where all this "standing up to him" bull**** came from, I certainly never brought it up in any of my posts. I really don't see what he needed to stand up for? Like what did you want him to say? "That's not true, you do not smash heads all day!" I mean come on, he was clearly just going off on a drunken rant.
You said he did do something but why does he have to stand up for himself. Those are countering statements. Throwing the mattress was his lame way of standing up for himself.
He could have gotten back into Ct's face if he knows he won't hit him. He stared at the ground and said 1 thing like you look it, when CT asked if he was scared. It was a drunk rant for sure, but waiting till he leaves and throw the mattress, why do that unless you are trying to get him to hit you? That is kind of lame to do after being B*tched out for hours and not looking at him in the eye.
So unless that was his goal to get CT to punch him, not sure i see what his goal was with the mattress thing. He seemed done ranting and smoking a cig when Wes did that, so he just instigated it more and like always brings it upon himself.
Maybe Wes thought it was funny at first, than after 7 hours was like enough. But like i said before from the podcasts, no one seemed to mind Wes getting called out or ranted on or whatever it was. Some may think he stood up for himself/did something about it with the mattress thing, barely flicking his hat, i do not. If he is so confident CT won't do anything, why not get in his face right back making him look all talk, but than instigate it more when he leaves. Makes no sense IMO
I am going to wait until the episode to comment anymore it may open up some more info on it before i judge the whole event. It could show why Wes did it, or why CT snapped so much, could be a lot more to it. :)
[QUOTE=jojorules;258247]You said he did do something but why does he have to stand up for himself. Those are countering statements. Throwing the mattress was his lame way of standing up for himself.
He could have gotten back into Ct's face if he knows he won't hit him. He stared at the ground and said 1 thing like you look it, when CT asked if he was scared. It was a drunk rant for sure, but waiting till he leaves and throw the mattress, why do that unless you are trying to get him to hit you? That is kind of lame to do after being B*tched out for hours and not looking at him in the eye.
So unless that was his goal to get CT to punch him, not sure i see what his goal was with the mattress thing. He seemed done ranting and smoking a cig when Wes did that, so he just instigated it more and like always brings it upon himself.
Maybe Wes thought it was funny at first, than after 7 hours was like enough. But like i said before from the podcasts, no one seemed to mind Wes getting called out or ranted on or whatever it was. Some may think he stood up for himself/did something about it with the mattress thing, barely flicking his hat, i do not. If he is so confident CT won't do anything, why not get in his face right back making him look all talk, but than instigate it more when he leaves. Makes no sense IMO
I am going to wait until the episode to comment anymore it may open up some more info on it before i judge the whole event. It could show why Wes did it, or why CT snapped so much, could be a lot more to it. :)[/QUOTE]He did do something, is throwing his mattress right out the window (This was while CT was right across from him outside looking at him, so you're "he had to wait until he was gone" argument is weak) and flicking his hat somehow not doing anything now? There is no point in getting in his face, the guy was clearly tired and didn't want to listen to CT anymore, I don't see how that automatically makes him "scared". His expression hardly even changed from before CT got into his face. And he didn't seem to have a problem getting back into his face the next day (when CT decided to continue the argument).
If he didn't want to listen anymore and was "clearly tired', why throw his mattress? It just shows what a true idiot Wes is and shuts down that argument. Wes is just an instigator, simple as that. No one thinks Wes is tough, Leroy even said on the podcast he would make quick work of Wes.
Also yes Wes did wait until he was 30 ft away before doing something so that argument is not weak. Than he barely flicks his hat when PEOPLE ARE AROUND. When it's them two, he throws his mattress after CT goes outside and is far away from him. The hat flick is not like he pushed him or anything, he just didn't want to look punked out completely. 7 hours is a long time to be b*tched at, the mattress thing just continued it. CT isn't the most calm person to be instigating haha.
Lol the mattress thing was funny, I thought Wes was trying to kick CT out of the room, maybe hoping he would go sleep somewhere else so he can't come back to their room and start yelling some more. Too bad CT just brang it back up haha, he should have thrown it in the pool which is what I thought he did. It reminded me of a crazy couple where the gf kicks the bf out of the house by throwing his **** out the window lol. The hat flick wasn't a big deal either CT didn't even flinch and Wes was just exhausted of hearing it. I doubt this fight was even a big deal anyways and I dont think Wes/Ct are harboring animosity over it.
[QUOTE=Blue123;258261]Lol the mattress thing was funny, I thought Wes was trying to kick CT out of the room, maybe hoping he would go sleep somewhere else so he can't come back to their room and start yelling some more. Too bad CT just brang it back up haha, he should have thrown it in the pool which is what I thought he did. It reminded me of a crazy couple where the gf kicks the bf out of the house by throwing his **** out the window lol. The hat flick wasn't a big deal either CT didn't even flinch and Wes was just exhausted of hearing it. I doubt this fight was even a big deal anyways and I dont think Wes/Ct are harboring animosity over it.[/QUOTE]
You might be right about trying to get him out. Drunk, angry people probably would come back though :) Agree on the hat flick, but you never know if they are harboring animosity, i hope they have episode recap interviews. It did go on and on, Wes probably doesn't like CT very much. That preview clip left off a lot that probably makes air, so we shall see. They did have prior drama between duel 1 and than, for people that don't know. I thought something might happen between them, not quite that.
I can not believe CT actually argued with, rather yelled at Wes all night longg!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******* it, you are my man, but come one, dude! ALl night and in the morning!!!!!!!!!! WOw, relax my brother, it's fine! I deplore nobody else trying to calm CT the beast. But, hey, everybody knows better, right?
[QUOTE=endia;258234]Why would anyone in his/her right mind want to get in the line of fire of this nutcase to try to break up a one way screamfest? He would only turn his anger onto that person.[/QUOTE]
With the exception of the "nutcase" comment (I'm not qualified to judge), I agree. Unless one has an extreme need for camera time, it's best to let production deal with stuff like this. BMP has a responsibility under the cast contract to provide a safe and secure environment for cast members. And, since each cast member is responsible for their own medical coverage (beyond immediate stabilizing care), getting in between the two strongest guys is really stupid.
at first, i thought CT changed a lot from his previous challenges to this challenge, but i think the biggest changed person is wes.
the more and more i think about it, CT is still doing his talking and yelling (like he did at duel 1's DQ) and in that instance, Wes came and yelled back bc CT hadn't gone home for hitting some1 yet, so Wes prolly thought it would just be a yelling fest.
However, after inferno 3 and duel 2, where CT got kicked off, CT still yells and throws a temper tantrum, BUT wes this time, has learned not to yell back.
As much as I love CT, it strikes me to know that ppl in their 30s still fight like animals
That clip was one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've seen on this show. Honestly, CT was more hilarious than scary in that situation.
It should be noted that this is actual progress for someone like CT. As someone who has dealt with anger issues personally, I recognize this as a step towards better conflict resolution. Keyword: better. This type of a response is not ideal, but it is certainly better than punching somebody in the face. In the past, this guy would have legitimately tried to destroy someone. Believe it or not, a shouting match like this takes a lot of effort for the person with the anger, because, as he was saying, the initial reaction is to want to physically hurt the fella he has a conflict with.
Expressing how ya feel about someone, even if it is shouting, is a better way to get it out of your system than to outright punch the guy. And one can hope it is a step in the right direction.
That said, watching someone else do it, on TV no less, makes me understand why it is kinda sorta ridiculous/hilarious :D
[QUOTE=jojorules;258232]Everyone says how unbearably cocky Wes is, he probably did something else besides just say he was going to try to get rid of him, and no one even attempted to separate them or tell Ct to shut up, so they probably all enjoyed watching Wes get yelled at and do nothing about it.[/QUOTE]
well during the preview for this episode, I remember Wes saying he didn't think it was a good idea for Mandi to hook up with CT. So is it possible that Wes somehow interfered with them?
Wes basically just wanted to rile him up and get him to punch him. When he did the "who's scared of you now" they immediately cut to Wes saying "i regret getting involved, how do i get out of this" hahah. Than he just sits down to avoid conflict. Pretty funny stuff. Wes is a moron, it was over and than he throws the bed than realizes oh **** he is going to want to fight soon, i gotta get out of here.
That looked way different than the other version, glad Wes actually said something though and not just sat there, but they didn't really show that it went on for very long. Lol then Wes says to Adam "he said he wants to eat me" lol.
Like with the Mandi stuff, Wes acts like he is looking out for her, when in reality he just wants her for himself, he said so at the start of the episosde. Nothing to do with him looking out for her. Just jealous Wes who can't handle being 2nd best
[QUOTE=jojorules;258455]Like with the Mandi stuff, Wes acts like he is looking out for her, when in reality he just wants her for himself, he said so at the start of the episosde. Nothing to do with him looking out for her. Just jealous Wes who can't handle being 2nd best[/QUOTE]
Of course he's jealous he already said he wants to hook up with her, and he's right about CT not the whole exaggerated he's going to burn your house down psycho talk, but it's true that he doesn't seem to like her like that, he even said he's trying to sway some of the girls by flirting, which I guess s smart. She even wanted him to choke her and he wasn't into it hah! Glad he's not into that **** though, he could kill a girl.
i think CT could care less if he hooks up with mandi or not
i mean this dude gets all da biches back at boston man
based on what i hear most of the girls say hes like either 1 or top 2 hottest dude ever on the challenge/real world series
[QUOTE=jojorules;258455]Like with the Mandi stuff, Wes acts like he is looking out for her, when in reality he just wants her for himself, he said so at the start of the episosde. Nothing to do with him looking out for her. Just jealous Wes who can't handle being 2nd best[/QUOTE]
Could also be editing and taken out of context.
[QUOTE=kristalie;258540]Could also be editing and taken out of context.[/QUOTE]
It's been pretty consistent with his opinion on CT all episode though. The Mandi stuff maybe, but seems just jealousy that the "hottest" girl to him likes CT over the greek god.
[QUOTE=challenge;258520]i think CT could care less if he hooks up with mandi or not
i mean this dude gets all da biches back at boston man
based on what i hear most of the girls say hes like either 1 or top 2 hottest dude ever on the challenge/real world series[/QUOTE]
He basically said that he is flirting with them to sway their votes to his side. He knows both Mandi and Laurel are JEK. I don't think he has an attraction to them, he's just playing the game. And as far as i know, he has a girlfriend back home so i don't think he is "getting all da *****es back at boston, man."
[QUOTE=saveferris;258170]Haha same here.
I don't think wes looked scared either, tbh. He just looked like a guy being rambled at for ages, like "wow you're seriously not going to shut the **** up at all? Oh ok."[/QUOTE]exactly...and what happened to CT wanting to play the game straight up....wes was just honest with him and he went all beastly...ct and wes are my 2 fave ********** but now Ct went down a notch.
[QUOTE=kristalie;258540]Could also be editing and taken out of context.[/QUOTE]Paula seemed to be a big part of that convo also...and CT even said he was basically flirting with the girls so they would not vote for him and "mandy bit hard" on the bait.....
I would still like him to address the fact that wes was honest and instead of being like ok bro bring it on in the ring...he went incredible hulk like a freaking moron.
If Wes was all man, backing up his talk, he and Kenny would be going in against CT/Adam, not Evan/nehemiah.. Wes is pure BS/manipulation. Ct called him out on it.
Sure 7 hrs of it is extreme, but people there who were looking back on twitter/podcasts, etc, seemed to think that he needed to be dropped down a notch. It depends what Wes really said, which with the edit we won't know. Ct brought up how Wes was saying he would beat him in a jungle and was running on the show and this and that. The fact that they got Evan to volunteer somehow makes me think he didn't want any part of CT.
How did CT make himself look stupid when he asked Wes if he wanted to send him home so he wouldn't support his family and Wes said he wanted to send him home because of that ?
That sounds pretty personal to me .
Wes is a little girl, never gotten into a fist fight, from what I hear at my college which he attended (ASU arizona state university) .
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