The Challenge: Rivals - Chris "C.T." Tamburello

I don't think the zipline challenge decides who is better overall of the two. A challenge is much different than an elimination if they went head to head. In an elimination there is everything at stake, Ct may of been trying to win but not destroy landon because he was competing against his own team to get the lifeshield. But we will never know unless they face off head to head. i think Landon said on Duel 2 he would never be on a challenge with him and how he shouldn't be allowed back. So i don't think we will ever know. But i don't think the zipline challenge alone means he is better than CT.

CT ate all those cookies against Shane. No one on the face of the planet can ever beat CT in anything ever.

My analysis of CT in the challenges. He wins a ton of individual challenges/lifeshields which shows he is one of the top tier athletes. But why hasn't he won? Let's look at it a little closer. These aren't excuses but let's look at the opportunities CT has given away to win and the ones that he just got plain bad luck. His temper has cost him a few great opportunities as well The inferno 3 he would have been on that final team and won if he hadn't punched Davis, his fault for sure. The duel 1 he was dq'ed on a more than questionable game where you were punished for going for the flag basically i don't think anyone won that by actually unhooking the unhookable flag. Duel 2, his fault. We have no clue how he would have done, but we did know that most of the guys feared him on there. But we won't know because he once again was kicked off and was dealing with serious family issues. On the inferno 1 or 2 whichever one Tina/Tonya couldn't finish on the final challenge, what is CT supposed to do about that, or what would Landon or anyone have done to win that? They basically gave up, he never wanted them on the team. On G3, as i discussed on the rw general thread, that is the biggest robbery ever. That veteran team was better in every single possible way, and still won the final without Eric. They wouldn't let them carry Eric, so what could he have done about that? My point is basically 2 of the final challenges he lost, it was bad luck. I am not making excuses, but what could you do if people on your team quit or medically can't go? He should definitely have 1 win from G3 not that it makes him the greatest with 1 win. But i don't think he can' t get it done as people say in the end, i think a lot has been bad luck. My point is it is hard to judge any of these people head to head who is better unless they faced head to head. Even so a lot depends on the format. It would have to be like the major sports do in a best of series to see who is truly better. 3 different style eliminations, one speed, strength, endurance, and see who is better and wins 2/3. How else can you truly tell? Also take into account the social aspect of it which you can't really measure.

[QUOTE=cystic;252460]CT ate all those cookies against Shane. No one on the face of the planet can ever beat CT in anything ever.[/QUOTE] LOL, I'm pretty sure Shane puked on the second or third cookie.

Shane puked almost immediately. That was one of the saddest displays i have ever seen.

[QUOTE=jojorules;252465]Shane puked almost immediately. That was one of the saddest displays i have ever seen.[/QUOTE] Well being a strong competitor and having a strong stomach are two different things.

I didn't say he wasn't strong, but that is a very weak stomach! I said it was a sad display, for whatever reason.

[QUOTE=jojorules;252462]The duel 1 he was dq'ed on a more than questionable game where you were punished for going for the flag basically i don't think anyone won that by actually unhooking the unhookable flag.[/QUOTE] Svetlana won against Kina that way. I still say that's CT's fault considering he picked the **** game himself even after seeing Beth lose by DQ and Svetlana winning so he should have known what to do.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;252471]Svetlana won against Kina that way. I still say that's CT's fault considering he picked the **** game himself even after seeing Beth lose by DQ and Svetlana winning so he should have known what to do.[/QUOTE] Sometimes I agree with that too honestly.He did have the choice. But from his point of view, he is going against Brad. He has a huge advantage in that game because as he said, Brad had no legs. But he said himself he had the caribiner and the flag so he took both off, so the flag ripping noise was probably added in for effect. But he showed TJ the flag attached to the caribiner from the clip. But it's already been all said I don't want to start up a huge thing with that. I see your point, but I still say that game had major faults. The force of a guy pushing while trying to grab it is probably 10 times what Svetlana felt while trying to grab it. It probably rips immediately too the way it appeared. I would have loved a CT/WES final though. Wes is soo arrogant already, imagine if he had beaten CT in the Duel?

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;252471]Svetlana won against Kina that way. I still say that's CT's fault considering he picked the **** game himself even after seeing Beth lose by DQ and Svetlana winning so he should have known what to do.[/QUOTE] It's easy to be critical of his choice in hindsight because he lost, but strategically it was his smartest decision at the time. He saw Brad dominate big easy at pole wrestle, the uncertainty with "I can", and the puzzle is always a fickle thing- anything can happen. CT had not only a huge weight advantage against Brad, but he also happened to train his legs something that Brad doesn't really do. If he could turn back the clock im sure he would pick pole wrestle, but why risk expending all that energy the day before the final? The biggest mismatch was at push me and in his mind it was probably an easy win; and it was up until he went for the flag [QUOTE=jojorules;252465]Shane puked almost immediately. That was one of the saddest displays i have ever seen.[/QUOTE] I think Shane was psyched out before the elimination started. I remember him freaking out when CT stepped in for David, going on this long rant of how he was ******* up his game lol Anyway, as others have mentioned before its very debatable as to who is a better competitor, CT or Landon. Before cutthroat, it seemed like Landon was the clear cut #1 since CT was out of the game for so long and people had forgotten what he was able to do. And then we watched him absolutely destroy Bananas, a reminder of the dominant physical presence of the animal himself. To me it seems like they're equally impressive but in different respects- Landon's endurance is rivaled by CT's combination of size, speed, and strength. In my opinion, I think CT is a superior competitor outside of his impressive performances on missions and getting life shields because of the reactions he draws from other people. Landon has proven to be a force in eliminations, yet it doesn't seem that people are that intimidated by him when going in. CT on the other hand has made people figuratively **** their pants when facing him. Shane, Johnny, Evan, and Brad were extremely jittery and nervous when going in against him but I didn't see the same reaction when people went in against Landon. It seems like if the cast had a choice, they would rather go in against Landon than CT in a 1 on 1. You could argue that CT is a "scary"guy hence the freakouts, but the only thing that matters in an elimination round is your athleticism and physical prowess, not really how much you can yell or get in your opponents face. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=The Beast;252485]I think Shane was psyched out before the elimination started. I remember him freaking out when CT stepped in for David, going on this long rant of how he was ******* up his game lol Anyway, as others have mentioned before its very debatable as to who is a better competitor, CT or Landon. Before cutthroat, it seemed like Landon was the clear cut #1 since CT was out of the game for so long and people had forgotten what he was able to do. And then we watched him absolutely destroy Bananas, a reminder of the dominant physical presence of the animal himself. To me it seems like they're equally impressive but in different respects- Landon's endurance is rivaled by CT's combination of size, speed, and strength. In my opinion, I think CT is a superior competitor outside of his impressive performances on missions and getting life shields because of the reactions he draws from other people. Landon has proven to be a force in eliminations, yet it doesn't seem that people are that intimidated by him when going in. CT on the other hand has made people figuratively **** their pants when facing him. Shane, Johnny, Evan, and Brad were extremely jittery and nervous when going in against him but I didn't see the same reaction when people went in against Landon. It seems like if the cast had a choice, they would rather go in against Landon than CT in a 1 on 1. You could argue that CT is a "scary"guy hence the freakouts, but the only thing that matters in an elimination round is your athleticism and physical prowess, not really how much you can yell or get in your opponents face. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE] True, people are more intimidated by CT than Landon. And being intimidated before going into a Challenge or elimination can **** your game up mentally. But Landon has won time and time again without necessarily intimidating people. He is just better. Better than CT? Don't know. They've never gone head to head, and may never go head to head. So that argument is moot until something changes. They are both aware of their strengths, and as a result, they both use their strengths quite efficiently. At the end of the day, I think Michael Jordan was a better athlete than CT or Landon.

If we are going purely on competition and who is better, Landon wins hands down. If we are going on intimidation factor, I feel that the Miz and CT are #1 and #2. Look at the size of Miz, he's much bigger than CT. I would be more scared of going against he Miz in Pole Wrestle or Push Me than CT.

[QUOTE=Mind Riot;252556]True, people are more intimidated by CT than Landon. And being intimidated before going into a Challenge or elimination can **** your game up mentally. But Landon has won time and time again without necessarily intimidating people. He is just better. Better than CT? Don't know. They've never gone head to head, and may never go head to head. So that argument is moot until something changes. They are both aware of their strengths, and as a result, they both use their strengths quite efficiently. [B]At the end of the day, I think Michael Jordan was a better athlete than CT or Landon.[/B][/QUOTE] Well, of course. Also, if that's referring to what I said earlier...I just want to say, to clear things up, I wasn't saying either Landon or CT is more of an athlete than Michael Jordan or Lebron James. Landon and CT are nowhere near that level...not many people in this world are.

[QUOTE=Mind Riot;252556]True, people are more intimidated by CT than Landon. And being intimidated before going into a Challenge or elimination can **** your game up mentally. But Landon has won time and time again without necessarily intimidating people. He is just better. Better than CT? Don't know. They've never gone head to head, and may never go head to head. So that argument is moot until something changes. They are both aware of their strengths, and as a result, they both use their strengths quite efficiently. At the end of the day, I think Michael Jordan was a better athlete than CT or Landon.[/QUOTE] The way I see it Landon - Kicked the **** out of Karamo, Barely beat Dan, Lost to Brad because he was too stupid to follow the rules, Performed terrifically in FM2 exiles CT - spanked Shane, Made it look like there was a 5 year old girl on the other end of that pipe against Brad in Push Me, Wore Johnny like a backpack CT has impressed me far more than Landon

I like how you say "Lost to Brad because he was too stupid to follow the rules" but then you don't say in CT duel again Brad that he "lost to Brad bc he was too stupid to follow the rules after TJ SPECICIALLY SAID 3 times AND it happened to Beth NOT to tear the carabiner." CT is like LeBron....neither have won a challenge or a finals.

Sometimes in team finals, you can only do so much. Instead of just repeating what I said earlier, I'll leave it at that. If Landon was on the two final teams CT was on, not sure how Landon would have won those if he was on them. Not meant to be an insult on Landon, just meant if people quit in one, and go to the hospital in another, what can you do? I think one of the three finals he was on they couldn't solve the puzzle, which I give him fault in because he could have in that moment stepped up and made a difference. I think he has been in 3, I know of at least 2 that I am positive he was in.

CT lost to Brad also. Don't forget Landon smoked Isaac one on one, destroyed Nehemiah and Mark in the rope challenge, beat CTs time on the fruit squeezing challenge on inferno 2. I don't think is even in the same league as challengers like Landon, Darrell, and Alton.

Those 4 might all be right up there (Alton, Darrell, Landon, CT). The order, like the GOAT discussions, can all be switched around in ranking based on person debating. Those are the four guys I would least like to face.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;252567]Well, of course. Also, if that's referring to what I said earlier...I just want to say, to clear things up, I wasn't saying either Landon or CT is more of an athlete than Michael Jordan or Lebron James. Landon and CT are nowhere near that level...not many people in this world are.[/QUOTE] Haha, I was not being serious. I was being facetious. And I did not read the post you are referring to. Sarcasm does not translate well on the internet as it is hard to convey tone without using voice. This was all my fault. [QUOTE=inferno;252620]The way I see it Landon - Kicked the **** out of Karamo, Barely beat Dan,[B] Lost to Brad because he was too stupid to follow the rules[/B], Performed terrifically in FM2 exiles CT - spanked Shane, [B]Made it look like there was a 5 year old girl on the other end of that pipe against Brad in Push Me[/B], Wore Johnny like a backpack CT has impressed me far more than Landon[/QUOTE] Landon was one ring away from beating Brad, but apparently have a shoulder that is not in it's socket makes it hard to reach. For clarification, Landon's shoulder got destroyed during the elimination, and he actually had to have surgery afterwards on that shoulder. And he has won every Challenge he has been on except one, which again, was the one where he separated his shoulder. CT overpowered Brad, yes, but he did not beat Brad. Why? For the same reason you claim that Landon lost to Brad, he broke the rules. Granted it was easy to get disqualified on that dumb Duel. CT has never won a Challenge. He is one of my favorite competitors to watch, but it is hard to put him in a discussion with people who have won it all.

[QUOTE=Mind Riot;252658][B]Haha, I was not being serious. I was being facetious. And I did not read the post you are referring to. Sarcasm does not translate well on the internet as it is hard to convey tone without using voice. This was all my fault. [/B] Landon was one ring away from beating Brad, but apparently have a shoulder that is not in it's socket makes it hard to reach. For clarification, Landon's shoulder got destroyed during the elimination, and he actually had to have surgery afterwards on that shoulder. And he has won every Challenge he has been on except one, which again, was the one where he separated his shoulder. CT overpowered Brad, yes, but he did not beat Brad. Why? For the same reason you claim that Landon lost to Brad, he broke the rules. Granted it was easy to get disqualified on that dumb Duel. CT has never won a Challenge. He is one of my favorite competitors to watch, but it is hard to put him in a discussion with people who have won it all.[/QUOTE] HaHa, I actually said that CT = the Lebron James of the Challenges and Landon = the Michael Jordan of the Challenges and I said it just two or three pages back. That's why I thought you were referring to my post.... So, it was just a coincidence, I see.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;252659]HaHa, I actually said that CT = the Lebron James of the Challenges and Landon = the Michael Jordan of the Challenges and I said it just two or three pages back. That's why I thought you were referring to my post.... So, it was just a coincidence, I see.[/QUOTE] Indeed. That said, I agree with that comparison :P

[QUOTE=inferno;252620]The way I see it Landon - [B]Kicked the **** out of Karamo[/B], Barely beat Dan, Lost to Brad because he was too stupid to follow the rules, Performed terrifically in FM2 exiles CT - spanked Shane, Made it look like there was a 5 year old girl on the other end of that pipe against Brad in Push Me, Wore Johnny like a backpack CT has impressed me far more than Landon[/QUOTE] On the Inferno 2? It was said Karamo had a speaking engagement or something and had to leave. He went to the other team and asked them to vote him in. Karamo lost on purpose.

CT will probably beat Landon in a physical elimination round, I mean who wouldn't he beat? But I just think Landon is smarter and because of that he can beat CT in elimination rounds aswell. I just hope CT is more calm on Rivals like he said he is, and that the challenge contract gets renewed so we can see him more often. And I'd prefer to see him in a team challenge, or individual but atleast not with a partner you have to do an elimination round with.

Does anyone get the feeling that CT has changed? Like before on the duel and Gauntlet and the stuff before that he was always goofing around, but now he seems extremely serious all the time. Even his podcast sounded so awkward.

[QUOTE=Blue123;253311]Does anyone get the feeling that CT has changed? Like before on the duel and Gauntlet and the stuff before that he was always goofing around, but now he seems extremely serious all the time. Even his podcast sounded so awkward.[/QUOTE] He has undergone a significant life-changing event in the past two years, so I expect he would have changed somewhat.

[QUOTE=V1man;253315]He has undergone a significant life-changing event in the past two years, so I expect he would have changed somewhat.[/QUOTE] can you explain what has happened in his life the past 2 years?

[QUOTE=challenge;253332]can you explain what has happened in his life the past 2 years?[/QUOTE] It has been discussed in great depth in [url=http://vevmo.com/f187/chris-ct-tamburello-3852/]this thread[/url]. EDIT: Start at the back and work your way forward, it was mentioned not too long ago.

[QUOTE=V1man;253315]He has undergone a significant life-changing event in the past two years, so I expect he would have changed somewhat.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah you're probably right, I thought he was different ever since duel 2 and that was around the time that it happened.

[QUOTE=Superboy;250031]Cause I heard 400 and I've got to see it to believe it.[/QUOTE] I heard he weighs 210lbs on Derrick's podcast. He looks much bigger than that when he was on Cutthroat and Rivals. Probably because he has a bigger frame. If he can bench 400lbs, that's impressive. On Derrick's podcast while interviewing Adam King and Katie Doyle on The Challenge Rivals, Derrick mentions that he's very strong and powerful. Here are some photos of CT through out the years. His weight has changed a lot. [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10544][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/47874dffff83e6cc4.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10545][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/47874dffffc310063.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10546][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/47874dffffcd72862.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10547][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/47874dffffd792678.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10548][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/47874dffffe30c3b3.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10549][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/47874dffffebafcff.jpg[/img][/url]

[QUOTE=foofighter7;252565]If we are going purely on competition and who is better, Landon wins hands down. If we are going on intimidation factor, I feel that the Miz and CT are #1 and #2. Look at the size of Miz, he's much bigger than CT. I would be more scared of going against he Miz in Pole Wrestle or Push Me than CT.[/QUOTE] CT & Mike are about the same size right now; CT was bigger than Mike in Inferno 1 but come time for Inferno 2, Mike put on a ton of weight because he was cycling primo and deca like crazy because he was trying to get his muscle mass up to be more appealing to the WWE. Plus, all Mike has done for workouts the past few years are high rep pump workouts for appearance upkeep, he doesn't train heavy to muscle failure and he doesn't do compound lifts like squats, cleans, or deadlifts. None of the guys in the WWE do because there's no way they'd be able to put their bodies through those kind of workouts and be able to perform in the ring. A lot of WWE guys have had their workouts in various fitness publications over the years (Mike included) and all their workouts are centered around machines and sets of 15-20 reps. Cena was the only one who did compound lifts like I mentioned earlier and still, all his reps were very high too.