Real World Las Vegas 2: Oh Yeah, Mexico, Yeah

[QUOTE=rallen;248085]but my judgment is also based on the after shows where mike speaks his mind....He just made it too hard for with him.[/QUOTE] Mike should have played the "I'm trying to send him home" card closer to his vest. Being open about that is what invited all the criticism of him that he resents.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;248090]Mike should have played the "I'm trying to send him home" card closer to his vest. Being open about that is what invited all the criticism of him that he resents.[/QUOTE] What is so wrong about Mike wanting Dustin gone? Leroy also wanted Adam gone, and although Adam was much more of a threat/liability, and no one gave him hell for it.

[QUOTE=CherryPie;248106]What is so wrong about Mike wanting Dustin gone? Leroy also wanted Adam gone, and although Adam was much more of a threat/liability, and no one gave him hell for it.[/QUOTE] Mike can want whatever he wants, but if he had not been so upfront about trying to get Dustin to hit him, then Mike would be seen as the victim of a crazy Dustin instead of Dustin getting the PR points for being the victim of Mike's manipulation. This industry seems all about getting the right image out there to viewers and I think Mike goofed up. He could have come across more of the hero and less of the zero.

Adam came home drunk and knocking things over many times. Not once do I recall seeing Mike get into Adam's face and yell that he's a bleeping idiot. So that altercation had nothing to do with Dustin being drunk. Mike just doesn't like anything Dustin does whereas if another castmember did the same thing, Mike wouldn't say anything.

Thanks elite, for the editing comments; I'm just trying to bring some perspective to a great discussion. I think that Mike had a point that Dustin is going to get HELL, when he leaves the house because its true, Frat Boys and other immature guys and girls are going to judge him like crazy and call him Every gay name under the sun making Mike's comment look like a complement. I think if Heather didn't know him she would def. think he's gay by the ****. Dustin def. has a lot of monster comments coming his way unfortunately. Its not fair he can't leave his business in the past but its the reality. I think that regardless; the comment shouldn't have come from Mike, because Dustin (AND I Think Mike) know that Dustin is verbally scared of Mike (Which is a part of why I think Dustin gets some violent towards Mike so he can show SOME dominance and control over the situation, even though I think getting aggressive and violent may be his nature because he was violent towards the cab driver as well. I will say Dustin seems to be AGAINST hitting women via the Nany - Adam incident, even though he threw Naomi pretty hard with the Cooke argument). That said; Dustin knows Mike can break him emotionally and admitted being scared of how Leroy AND Mike would react when Mike found out about the ****. Dustin doesn't feel alpha around Mike I think, (And he doesn't even try to compete with Leroy, mostly I think because Leroy is older than him and seems to not care - again this is ALL Via the editing). Mike is a YOUNGER, SMALLER, NERDY Kid that scares Dustin, and I think Dustin doesn't Like know that AND doesn't feel emotionally safe knowing that. That hurts Dustin's real world experience probably in his mind a little (though I think it builds more character for him though he doesn't know it). Dustin deserves (Mike and ALL OF THEM as well EVEN ADAM) to feel safe AT LEAST in his home, and Mike just BROKE Him. Just BROKE this guys spirit, which I think had to do with it coming from somebody he LIVES with and works with and does hair with and parties with. They may not be best friends, but when you live together there IS a trust that you share and Mike (who Probably Never even realized until he saw the footage, JUST HOW BAD that comment hurt Dustin, which was made in a frustrated moment due to being upset with the project, and build up walking on eggshells in Mike's view) Mike-Mike in Dustin's eyes BROKE that Bond now twice (First time with Heather, In Dustin's Head that was Mike's fault). Mike on the other hand is not scared of Dustin AT ALL. Dustin tried to argue against Mike and gets his Butt KICKED. Dustin seems scared of Mike VERBALLY, while Mike KNOWS Dustin can beat him up but Mike seems to not let that shake him up, and he SHOWS that to DUSTIN which ****** Dustin off and makes Dustin feel COMPLETELY Powerless around Mike (All my guessing btw). I thought all this because for school and for writing I watch and talk with many people and listen to their reasoning and their history, and someone on here brought up a good point when they said Mike lets Dustin get to him when Dustin is the same Dustin around the other roommates as well AND Dustin lets Mike get to HIM, while Mike is Mike around the other roommates as well. These guys BUTT heads. Mike yelled at Adam being drunk WHILE laughing. Mike pinpoints Dustin it seems from the editing. Again their personal lives and history probably are influential to why they get so upset with each other instead of walking away or laughing it off (I know Mike's dad plays a part). I think Mike may take a lot of emotion he feels about his dad's bad habits out and points them toward Dustin for have some of those qualities. I think Mike REALLY IS Holding back A LOT of what he WANTS and COULD say to Dustin (in Mike's head) and thats why he thinks he's being a good to Dustin by not destoying him EVERY chance Mike Probably could. AGAIN, Mike LETS Dustin get him upset, while the other roommates go about their business not upset much by Dustin (LOL AGAIN - Via the edit). Leroy is catching this and though Mike think this is Hurting HIS Real World experience, I think Dustin is indirectly helping Mike build more character as I think Mike is indirectly helping Dustin build more character. These are relatively good guys, as long as they don't kill each other. In response to Mike not being seen as a victim for telling Dustin to hit him to send him home, I disagree and think that had to due with Dustin being SOOOOO AGGRESSIVE and PHYSICAL saying he was going to KILL him and Degrading him. Dustin started trying to Physically scare him in front of their friends. That hurts too. Mike had a father that bullied him and he deserves to feel safe, and not have to re-live that life again EVER. Dustin started crossing the line into a fight by being threatening and saying he was going to phyically HURT MIKE if Mike didn't shut up. Its Mikes Home Too; and Mike should have a right to say things out of line without getting HIT or HURT for it, just as Dustin does. If Mike HURT Dustin Physically even after the threat Dustin said when he said he was going to KILL Mike, then Mike would get in trouble. Fierce arguing and threatening physically are TWO VERY DIFFERENT Things and bring different chemical reactions. "I Hate You!" hurts, and "I'm going to Kill you right Now!" sparks adrenaline. I think about the Adam King - CT fight, where a PROVOKED CT went TOO FAR, tried to Publicly threaten Adam many times to make him feel inferior and then HURT him. Like I said I think both Mike AND Dustin were WRONG. The physically stuff though had a greater impact on me. I personally think they both needed that experience to vent out BOTH their built up frustration with each other, but they both handled things wrong, which young adults often do and is actually normal when inconsistent and infrequent. They seem like decent young men trying to one day be great adults, but for now are still kids growing up and learning patience, tolerance, empathy, trust, and control of their emotions. I think Leroy has his flaws but I REALLY LIKE Leroy and I think he is handling things with the guys amazing btw by letting it play out. So once again I'm writing WAY TOO MUCH even though I really don't care that much, it because I like to write so sorry guys. I think the reunion and the Fan's who attend the reunion's reviews will clear up a lot of this stuff because I think its Almost ALL Editing to make us feel certain ways about the "characters".

Sorry I said that Mike is the same around Dustin AND the other rommates. I meant Mike IS USUALLY ALWAYS the same around Dustin and the others (Like when he got on Cooke for her attitude about friends in the house); but VIA THE EDITING, it looks like Mike lets Dustin get to him and he sees mostly Dustin's Negative traits; the ones that remind him of his Father's negative traits it seems. He's cool with Dustin at times but even Leroy can see Mike would not say to Nany a low blow like he did to Dustin. And I think Dustin is faster to want to fight Mike than anybody else because he is terrified of Mike Verbally. Dustin has been taking care of his Mom since childhood, so like Mike he had to grow up fast. They both seem to feel like leaders but verbally Dustin can't hang with Mike or Leroy in an argument, and since Dustin and Mike butt heads, its chaos. I still like Mike and Dustin, and think Mike and Dustin may become really Great guys, Leroy too; I'm just clearing up my contradiction.

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[QUOTE=molds13;248143]tl;dr - ?[/QUOTE] What'd you expect from someone named "NovelWriter" :lazy:

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;248144]What'd you expect from someone named "NovelWriter" :lazy:[/QUOTE] :laugh4: LOL I didn't even notice :p

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;248144]What'd you expect from someone named "NovelWriter" :lazy:[/QUOTE] I tried to just read the capitalized words, but there were too many of those too...

Sorry guys lol, I really am. I promise no more writing like crazy, and I'll get my editing and grammar better and make short points. I'm new to this forum world but I like it. Whats tl DR?

[QUOTE=novelwriter;248150]Sorry guys lol, I really am. I promise no more writing like crazy, and I'll get my editing and grammar better and make short points. I'm new to this forum world but I like it. [B]Whats tl DR?[/B][/QUOTE] Too long, didn't read.

I think Heather has treated Dustin as her own personal prostitute since she found out about him doing ****. She doesn't mind if he sleeps around just so long as it is not someone where he might be in a situation where there could be an emotional connection developing (a roomate) . That way, she can keep him as her gigolo. This hot-cold behavior is really manipulative and probably messed with his emotions enough that it interfered with him having normal emotions and relations toward people like Mike. Seems to me like Heather treating him like a sex object in light of his past is worse than anything Mike ever did or said to him based on what is shown at least. Worst part is that it still seems to be going down that way between them. Wish he'd wake up and find someone who treated him with more dignity and respect than Heather does.

[QUOTE=novelwriter;248140] I think that Mike had a point that Dustin is going to get HELL, when he leaves the house because its true, Frat Boys and other immature guys and girls are going to judge him like crazy and call him Every gay name under the sun making Mike's comment look like a complement. Dustin def. has a lot of monster comments coming his way unfortunately. Its not fair he can't leave his business in the past but its the reality.[/QUOTE] If Dustin wasn't prepared for comments and for people to judge him, he should not have gone on a TV show in which the cast's lives are entirely exposed. [QUOTE=novelwriter;248140] I will say Dustin seems to be AGAINST hitting women via the Nany - Adam incident, even though he threw Naomi pretty hard with the Cooke argument. [/QUOTE] It's already been diagnosed that Dustin has anger problems, but he didn't just throw "Naomi pretty hard with the Cooke argument", he always pushes the girls around in every argument. Look at the one with Mike. He pushes the girls, especially Nany, really violently, several times.

[QUOTE=CherryPie;248168] It's already been diagnosed that Dustin has anger problems, but he didn't just throw "Naomi pretty hard with the Cooke argument", he always pushes the girls around in every argument. Look at the one with Mike. He pushes the girls, especially Nany, really violently, several times.[/QUOTE] Someday he'll push the wrong woman (like Eve on a challenge) and he'll come away from the experience with a flattened nose and badly bruised balls.

[QUOTE=V1man;248173]Someday he'll push the wrong woman (like Eve on a challenge) and he'll come away from the experience with a flattened nose and badly bruised balls.[/QUOTE] That's the only way I can see Ev getting sent home with a smile on her face :) Yeah, Dustin will soon realize he's not that tough when he messes with the wrong girl. Yeah, sure, he went after Mike Mike, but I highly doubt he would have pushed Leroy's chair like that.

[QUOTE=Buck05;248175]That's the only way I can see Ev getting sent home with a smile on her face :) Yeah, Dustin will soon realize he's not that tough when he messes with the wrong girl. Yeah, sure, he went after Mike Mike, but I highly doubt he would have pushed Leroy's chair like that.[/QUOTE] [strike]so now he is abuses females intentionally? and I think your wrong about him and leroy, he pushed mikes chair like that because he did not want to actually engage in fist punching a kid he knew would just sit there and not fight back, the argument/fight would have been different if it had been leroy, he probably would have battled. However leroy would not have used the nasty Verbal assaults that mike used to provoke dustin, he knew what he was doing and has said so Post shows. Dustin has his faults but mike is the bigger ****** bag[/strike] So now he abuses females intentionally? And I think you're wrong about him and Leroy, he pushed Mike's chair like that because he did not want to actually engage in fist punching a kid he knew would just sit there and not fight back. The argument would have been different if it had been leroy, he probably would have battled. However Leroy would not have used the nasty verbal assaults that Mike used to provoke Dustin, he knew what he was doing and has said so post-shows. Dustin has his faults but Mike is the bigger *********.

[QUOTE=rallen;248180][strike]so now he is abuses females intentionally? and I think your wrong about him and leroy, he pushed mikes chair like that because he did not want to actually engage in fist punching a kid he knew would just sit there and not fight back, the argument/fight would have been different if it had been leroy, he probably would have battled. However leroy would not have used the nasty Verbal assaults that mike used to provoke dustin, he knew what he was doing and has said so Post shows. Dustin has his faults but mike is the bigger ****** bag[/strike] So now he abuses females intentionally? And I think you're wrong about him and Leroy, he pushed Mike's chair like that because he did not want to actually engage in fist punching a kid he knew would just sit there and not fight back. The argument would have been different if it had been leroy, he probably would have battled. However Leroy would not have used the nasty verbal assaults that Mike used to provoke Dustin, he knew what he was doing and has said so post-shows. Dustin has his faults but Mike is the bigger **************] I never said that Mike was innocent in all of this. I'm just saying Dustin would not have as big of balls against Leroy. And I still feel that way. And I don't see why it matters if he's pushing females intentionally or not. The point it -- HE IS PUSHING FEMALES. Whether it's intentional or not, that's something he needs to realize. Doesn't make it okay if he did it on accident. "Whoops, sorry, Naomi, my anger got the best of me this time. I didn't mean to push [I]you[/I]." Sorry, doesn't work that way. He has anger issues, PERIOD.

I don't think Dustin would have gotten that way with Leroy if he was mad at him under the same circumstances. A lot of it seemed like he was posing for the camera or trying to get everybody else sucked into the drama. When there was nobody between them, Dustin kept his hands back. It was only when somebody was between him and Mike that he got pushy with the girls while using them as a shield between him and Mike. Notice after all the yelling and pushing and crap, the thing that ended the fight was Dustin's button on his shorts popped off. Once he broke his pants, all of it ended. If you were truly that fed up and mad, why would a broken button end it?

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;248162]I think Heather has treated Dustin as her own personal prostitute since she found out about him doing ****. She doesn't mind if he sleeps around just so long as it is not someone where he might be in a situation where there could be an emotional connection developing (a roomate) . That way, she can keep him as her gigolo. This hot-cold behavior is really manipulative and probably messed with his emotions enough that it interfered with him having normal emotions and relations toward people like Mike. Seems to me like Heather treating him like a sex object in light of his past is worse than anything Mike ever did or said to him based on what is shown at least. Worst part is that it still seems to be going down that way between them. Wish he'd wake up and find someone who treated him with more dignity and respect than Heather does.[/QUOTE] So it's Heather's fault for Dustin's issues with Mike?! They can't get along because of personality conflicts. Dustin can be very immature and Mike can be self-righteous. Dustin said himself that he has a short temper and is sensitive. About their relationship,Heather wanted to take some time away to think about things. She had a hard time getting over that he kept a secret like that away from her. And as she told Leeroy,the fact that he had a girlfriend while doing **** for 3 years and never told her was kind of shady. She wanted a break but still had deep feelings for him. You can tell she does love him,and he is more than just a play thing to her. They did date for awhile after the show. But c'mon. She lives in Jersey,he in Louisiana,there is too much distance to have a normal relationship.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;248188]I don't think Dustin would have gotten that way with Leroy if he was mad at him under the same circumstances. A lot of it seemed like he was posing for the camera or trying to get everybody else sucked into the drama. When there was nobody between them, Dustin kept his hands back. It was only when somebody was between him and Mike that he got pushy with the girls while using them as a shield between him and Mike. Notice after all the yelling and pushing and crap, the thing that ended the fight was Dustin's button on his shorts popped off. Once he broke his pants, all of it ended. If you were truly that fed up and mad, why would a broken button end it?[/QUOTE] I don't know, maybe I'm just biased against overly-sensitive, homophobic gay **** stars who shove women who get in his way when he's angry.

Just in reference to the "well Dustin should have thought about how others will treat him and react before he did the Frat Man thing", He's currently 24, always thought of as "the little brother" by his friends (according to when they visited), and at this point doesn't really seem to be a "lets think about the big picture" type of person so then you bring it back how ever long ago when he got started in it and I'd put money on it that he was even less of a big picture thinker and was even more immature and naive in his thinking so how it would affect his future other than give him money most likely didn't creep into his mind. Not excusing it but based on how the editing has caused him to come off that would explain it to me. And yes he does need to figure out how to deal with it. just my 2 cents (going back to sit in the corner again)

[QUOTE=Buck05;248197]I don't know, maybe I'm just biased against overly-sensitive, homophobic gay **** stars who shove women who get in his way when he's angry.[/QUOTE] I think Dustin is very immature and shouldn't have put his hands on the girls EVER even when they were interjecting themselves to keep them apart. I find it funny that nobody seems to notice that Dustin talks about fratpad like it was a long long time ago when he was so much younger and naive but there are many reports, including interviews with him, that had him doing it 8 months before Real World (as late as Jan. 2010 and I think RW started taping in September 2010). To me, 8 months is not a long long time before the show was taped. [QUOTE=PaintedVeil;248190]So it's Heather's fault for Dustin's issues with Mike?! They can't get along because of personality conflicts. Dustin can be very immature and Mike can be self-righteous. Dustin said himself that he has a short temper and is sensitive. [B]About their relationship,Heather wanted to take some time away to think about things.[/B] She had a hard time getting over that he kept a secret like that away from her. And as she told Leeroy,the fact that he had a girlfriend while doing **** for 3 years and never told her was kind of shady. She wanted a break but still had deep feelings for him. You can tell she does love him,and he is more than just a play thing to her. They did date for awhile after the show. But c'mon. She lives in Jersey,he in Louisiana,there is too much distance to have a normal relationship.[/QUOTE] Despite what she says, she is booty-calling the guy every episode. That is not "time away" in my book. Knowing how he felt about her, it was emotionally manipulative.

To me she wants her space to think about things,but found it hard to keep away from Dustin because she is emotionally attached. I don't think she is this master manipulator but I agree it is unfair to Dustin. I also think she has major trust issues from her past, her boyfriends cheating on her and such. Yeah it was only last year that Dustin left the fratpad. I think he was on office duty though,like answering the phones and working on the website. What confuses me is that he said he was done with it but was seen attending a **** convention repping for Fratpad in Arizona. I wonder if he wants to keep on good terms with the hostmaster so he won't release some of his more graphic content. Dustin is so protective over him,it's realy weird.

Dustin left the Fratpad in March of 2010 and was doing shows right up to the end. It is believed by many members that he was asked to leave because he was getting into fights (screaming tantrums is more like it) with members during his shows. It's a good bet that had he not been asked to leave he would still be there at this time.

[QUOTE=PaintedVeil;248234]To me she wants her space to think about things,but found it hard to keep away from Dustin because she is emotionally attached. I don't think she is this master manipulator but I agree it is unfair to Dustin. I also think she has major trust issues from her past, her boyfriends cheating on her and such. Yeah it was only last year that Dustin left the fratpad. I think he was on office duty though,like answering the phones and working on the website. What confuses me is that he said he was done with it but was seen attending a **** convention repping for Fratpad in Arizona. I wonder if he wants to keep on good terms with the hostmaster so he won't release some of his more graphic content. Dustin is so protective over him,it's realy weird.[/QUOTE] Or maybe his appearance in AZ was all about $$$$?

I can't decide if Dustin has mental illness or if he learned behaviors of the mentally ill by growing up the way he did, but he is a complicated character. Since he freaked out when he didn't win the gocart race, maybe he stuck around Fratpad so long trying to prove he was the very best **** star. Based on that Monster conversation with Leroy, he rally seems to know underneath it all the Fratpad stuff was a mistake but he just doesn't seem to be the kind of person who will ever admit willingly or at least easily that he did something wrong.

[QUOTE=CrazyHorse;248246]I can't decide if Dustin has mental illness or if he learned behaviors of the mentally ill by growing up the way he did, but he is a complicated character. Since he freaked out when he didn't win the gocart race, maybe he stuck around Fratpad so long trying to prove he was the very best **** star. Based on that Monster conversation with Leroy, he rally seems to know underneath it all the Fratpad stuff was a mistake but he just doesn't seem to be the kind of person who will ever admit willingly or at least easily that he did something wrong.[/QUOTE] Here is my theory. I think Dustin's neglectful childhood shaped his personality. He seeks approval and needs constant attention. Just from the way his personality changes from person to person to fit in and his need to be the best at everything. He takes it real personal if someone does not like him,most people would get over it like oh well what can I do, but Dustin can't let go. Even the **** thing I think was done for attention. I don't believe he is gay but that his need for attention is so high that he would go to extremes to get it and when asked by his boss to do things with other guys his need for approval took over logic. Don't get me wrong I like Dustin alot ,but I do think he needs professional help. It's obvious he is not comfortable just being himself. He says he has no regrets about doing gay ****, but gets so sensitive and mad when someone brings it up.

[QUOTE=V1man;248173]Someday he'll push the wrong woman (like Eve on a challenge) and he'll come away from the experience with a flattened nose and badly bruised balls.[/QUOTE] Seeing this arrogant, infantile, insecure idiot get beat up by Evelyn would be the most satisfying thing to happen on a challenge. Ever. [QUOTE=V1man;248241]Or maybe his appearance in AZ was all about $$$$?[/QUOTE] Whether it was about money wouldn't surprise me, since he started doing it for the money and as a "last resort" thing. But that was, what, 6 years ago? Money is no excuse is no excuse to still be doing it, it's not like he's poor and naive now.

[QUOTE=PaintedVeil;248252]Here is my theory. I think Dustin's neglectful childhood shaped his personality. He seeks approval and needs constant attention. Just from the way his personality changes from person to person to fit in and his need to be the best at everything. He takes it real personal if someone does not like him,most people would get over it like oh well what can I do, but Dustin can't let go. Even the **** thing I think was done for attention. I don't believe he is gay but that his need for attention is so high that he would go to extremes to get it and when asked by his boss to do things with other guys his need for approval took over logic. Don't get me wrong I like Dustin alot ,but I do think he needs professional help. It's obvious he is not comfortable just being himself. He says he has no regrets about doing gay ****, but gets so sensitive and mad when someone brings it up.[/QUOTE] [strike]you couldn't have said it better. i deem everything here to be totally accurate[/strike] You couldn't have said it better. I deem everything here to be totally accurate.