[QUOTE=The Beast;238411]why is everyone so quick to **** on the guy? we've all been there when we've been drinking and had to ****. It sounds like the cops were being ***** and made a big deal out of it. He was cooperative at first until they arrested him and sprayed mace on him, apparently. Hence, Abram being Abram in the jail and giving the cops a hard time
Doesn't really change my opinion of him. Had he been arrested for something horrific like killing or raping someone, it'd be a different story[/QUOTE]
First off Never in my life have I been drunk so I've never been as you put it "Drinking and had to ****" so you can't really say that.
Secondly I think it's perfectly fine to **** on the guy as you put it because if you remember on the Cutthroat reunion he acted holier than thou by walking off the stage and saying everyone had a "poor display of character"...as if he was above everyone else. The truth is he's NO BETTER than anyone else and this is a perfect example of that.
[QUOTE=The Beast;238411]why is everyone so quick to **** on the guy? we've all been there when we've been drinking and had to ****. It sounds like the cops were being ***** and made a big deal out of it. He was cooperative at first until they arrested him and sprayed mace on him, apparently. Hence, Abram being Abram in the jail and giving the cops a hard time
Doesn't really change my opinion of him. Had he been arrested for something horrific like killing or raping someone, it'd be a different story[/QUOTE]
No, I've never "been there" where I **** in my hand and throw it at the cops, or anyone, for that matter. Ridiculous. I think it's gross. I also think he's really strange, overall - you can tell that just by interviews.
Cara-Maria, not so much, I don't find her strange. Different as in she dresses differently and is into "different" kinds of sex, etc. but her overall personality is not strange. Abram, on the other hand, is strange. He's definitely got a few screws loose.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;238434]First off Never in my life have I been drunk so I've never been as you put it "Drinking and had to ****" so you can't really say that.
Secondly I think it's perfectly fine to **** on the guy as you put it because if you remember on the Cutthroat reunion he acted holier than thou by walking off the stage and saying everyone had a "poor display of character"...as if he was above everyone else. The truth is he's NO BETTER than anyone else and this is a perfect example of that.[/QUOTE]
Right because you have to really be super drunk in order to have to urinate and there isn't a bathroom nearby. I'm sure you've never had to experience that feeling. Makes a lot of sense.
As for your other comment, you weren't there and you don't know the details of what happened. He was supposedly arrested with excessive force and felt that ****ting on his hands and throwing it at the police was justified. Obviously most people wouldn't do that because they would be grossed out, but Abe's always been a crazy dude so im not that surprised he did it. But your right, he's not better than other people; no one is. I just think kicking a guy when he's already down on the ground is unnecessary
[QUOTE=The Beast;238440]Right because you have to really be super drunk in order to have to urinate and there isn't a bathroom nearby. I'm sure you've never had to experience that feeling. Makes a lot of sense.
As for your other comment, you weren't there and you don't know the details of what happened. He was supposedly arrested with excessive force and felt that [B]****ting on his hands and throwing it at the police was justified[/B]. Obviously most people wouldn't do that because they would be grossed out, but Abe's always been a crazy dude so im not that surprised he did it. But your right, he's not better than other people; no one is. I just think kicking a guy when he's already down on the ground is unnecessary[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, did I read that correctly? You think there's a time when ******** into your own hand and throwing it and smearing it all over the walls is justified? I don't think Abe's a bad person or anything, I just think this is disgusting and wayyy over the top. He broke the law and got arrested. What did he expect when urinating in public?
And thanks for the exclusive footage, tatertots. Has Abram gotten hotter or something?
[QUOTE=lindsay88;238443]I'm sorry, did I read that correctly? You think there's a time when ******** into your own hand and throwing it and smearing it all over the walls is justified? I don't think Abe's a bad person or anything, I just think this is disgusting and wayyy over the top. He broke the law and got arrested. What did he expect when urinating in public?
And thanks for the exclusive footage, tatertots. Has Abram gotten hotter or something?[/QUOTE]
No you did not read it correctly; when did I say it was justified? I'm explaining what could have happened and why Abe did it. I'm not condoning what he did - I'm just stating my opinion that we should be critical of what he did, but we shouldn't rush to judge his character because of this incident. We don't know exactly what happened, the police could have been power tripping and used unnecessary force and this was Abe's way of lashing out
I don't care if he pissed in the alley, broke into the corner store or was disturbing the peace. The gross thing is that he defecated into his hands. Ewww. I have been watching the Boston news to see if there would be any news on it, since one of the stations had reported on Big Brother's Adam for selling drugs. But alas, no Abram.
Maybe Abram will show up on MSNBC's Lockup. They always show the guys who like to decorate their cells in brown and smelly
[QUOTE=The Beast;238446]No you did not read it correctly; [B]when did I say it was justified?[/B] I'm explaining what could have happened and why Abe did it. I'm not condoning what he did - I'm just stating my opinion that we should be critical of what he did, but we shouldn't rush to judge his character because of this incident. We don't know exactly what happened, the police could have been power tripping and used unnecessary force and this was Abe's way of lashing out[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Beast;238440]Right because you have to really be super drunk in order to have to urinate and there isn't a bathroom nearby. I'm sure you've never had to experience that feeling. Makes a lot of sense.
As for your other comment, you weren't there and you don't know the details of what happened. [B]He was supposedly arrested with excessive force and felt that ****ting on his hands and throwing it at the police was justified.[/B] Obviously most people wouldn't do that because they would be grossed out, but Abe's always been a crazy dude so im not that surprised he did it. But your right, he's not better than other people; no one is. I just think kicking a guy when he's already down on the ground is unnecessary[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should follow your own advice, as you were not there either and do not the details of what happened. Starting with that sentence and then immediately suggesting that someone was "supposedly" arrested implies that you know more about the situation than the rest of us.
If you do know Abram personally, than your comment holds more weight and you are therefore saying that either you or him found his actions to be justified. If you don't know Abram personally...go back to the first sentence in my reply.
[QUOTE=molds13;238449]Perhaps you should follow your own advice, as you were not there either and do not the details of what happened. Starting with that sentence and then immediately suggesting that someone was "supposedly" arrested implies that you know more about the situation than the rest of us.
If you do know Abram personally, than your comment holds more weight and you are therefore saying that either you or him found his actions to be justified. If you don't know Abram personally...go back to the first sentence in my reply.[/QUOTE]
It's always good to have the thinking from "Awesomeville." It's like you're our very own Garrison Keillor!
[QUOTE=The Beast;238446]No you did not read it correctly; when did I say it was justified? I'm explaining what could have happened and why Abe did it. I'm not condoning what he did - I'm just stating my opinion that we should be critical of what he did, but we shouldn't rush to judge his character because of this incident. We don't know exactly what happened, the police could have been power tripping and used unnecessary force and this was Abe's way of lashing out[/QUOTE]
I think that many people here were not saying/ making judgments about him or his character (except that he's weird, which many people who do know him say), most of us were merely saying no matter what the situation is, the [B][U]ACT[/U][/B] and [B]behaviour[/B] that he did/ performed in prison was disgusting.
I have been pretty drunk before, but at no point have I ever fathomed doing what he did in jail. What he did that got him in jail I have done a great many times stone cold sober. Nonetheless, perhaps it seemed like the thing to do in a drunk mind in a situation about which we know very little (like was there a toilet in the cell and if not were they keeping him from getting to one, for instance). I think it is funny when people try to apply reason to drunk thinking as if they will reach some logical explanation.
[QUOTE=molds13;238449]Perhaps you should follow your own advice, as you were not there either and do not the details of what happened. Starting with that sentence and then immediately suggesting that someone was "supposedly" arrested implies that you know more about the situation than the rest of us.
If you do know Abram personally, than your comment holds more weight and you are therefore saying that either you or him found his actions to be justified. If you don't know Abram personally...go back to the first sentence in my reply.[/QUOTE]
I believe the "supposedly" was meant to apply to the part about the excessive force, not the actual arrest.
I personally was grossed out by hearing it, it just down right grossed me out. However I wasn't there, I don't know the exact circumstances, therefore I am not going to judge him.
I think a lot of you misunderstand me or are getting confused between my opinion and the opinion of Abram. When I say "x and then y happened so he felt justified throwing **** at the wall" that is not my opinion, that is his. Also, when i said that we probably had some drinks and had to ****, i meant it like i said it. I'm sure everyone who is of legal drinking age at some point in their life has had some drinks and as a result needed to pee. That's apparently where Abram got into trouble, because he had to ****
I don't know Abram personally and I don't pretend to know more than anyone else here does. However, based off his wall post which he recently deleted, among the reasons he listed for throwing feces on the wall was his feeling that the police made a big deal out of nothing and used excessive force. Did he go overboard while he was in prison? Absolutely. But it really wasn't that much out of character(we know he's crazy from the challenges). At the same time, I don't think we should be quick to judge him because like many others, i don't know exactly what happened. Only Abram does and he probably had good reasons for doing what he did.
[QUOTE=msstock87;238481]I personally was grossed out by hearing it, it just down right grossed me out. However I wasn't there, I don't know the exact circumstances, therefore I am not going to judge him.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly the point i was trying to make
What is the topic of debate anyways? Abram has always been a character and I'm sure everyone agrees that going #2 in your own hands and rubbing it on walls is gross. Whether that makes you like him more or less is subjective. There really is nothing to argue about.
Like others have said, it is gross, but not too surprising that he did something like this. TheBeast, I think most people in the thread have mentioned that it is not too odd that he did this, based on what we've seen of him from the past, but it is gross. I don't think most people in the thread are really judging him for peeing in public. I agree, faceless - there doesn't seem to be anything to argue about. It seems most here are in agreement.
Derrick mentioned on Twitter that he is doing a podcast with Abram tonight to get his side of the story. He said a clip will be up tomorrow.
The most disgusting thing is actually how common Abram's behavior is for inmates and/or people locked up in jail. I know it's filthy and most people would never in a million years think about doing it but I think you all would be surprised how often this sort of scenario occurs. My ex-girlfriend's father worked at a prison and some of the stories he would tell! OMG! This is actually kind of tame compared to some of the things he claimed to have seen! LOL.
This is pretty random but the thread made me think of it and since the thread is about Abram I figured I'd go for it and ask (If this is the wrong place just let me know and I'll edit and post it in the right thread :) ), on the Inferno 2 after show Beth claimed that Abram had fooled around with a guy during the taping of Inferno 2. Did Abram or anyone else ever react or respond to this claim!?!? I hate that they didn't have an Inferno 2 reunion cause that would have been so good!!!
On the Mike Tyson documentary "Tyson" that came out a couple years ago, he said inmates would commonly fling **** at other inmates in the shower and at the guards from inside their cells.
[QUOTE=RMD1;238529]Thats in a prison with murderers. Abram was in a jail for a short amount of time. There is no defending his actions (not saying that you are)[/QUOTE]I'm in no way trying to defend his actions BUT even with people who are in jail for a short time (even a few hours) this behavior is not that unusual. A year or so ago they had a reality show that actually filmed in the holding cells where people were held for things like public intoxication/prostitution/disorderly conduct and I kid you not about every other episode there was someone urinating, spitting, or defecating on themselves or others. It was basically like Cops but in the holding cells.....I think it was called Prison USA or something.
So yeah, it really doesn't matter how extreme the crime or how long they are in the cell.....people (especially inebriated people) do not react kindly most of the time to being put in a cell against their will. Once again, I am in no way defending his actions just pointing out that I have heard (and seen on the show) this happens frequently.
I was not trying to defend his actions either, any way you put it, it is disgusting. All I was trying to say is I don't know the full story and I try hard not to judge people based on one action or screw up, of course I am guilty of it like most people but I try not to
[QUOTE]LUNENBURG -- An MTV reality personality was arrested yesterday after a police officer saw him urinating on a Toyota near a Summer Street bar about 2:10 a.m., police said.
Abram Boise, 28, of Montana, is best known for his appearances on the MTV reality shows "Road Rules: South Pacific" and "The Gauntlet," "The Inferno," "Battle of the Sexes 2," "The Inferno 3" and "The Island."
Lunenburg police said Mr. Boise was arrested and charged with urinating in public. He was also placed in protective custody because he was "extremely intoxicated," Sgt. Thomas Gammel said.
Mr. Boise was also charged later in the morning with two counts of defacing property. He urinated in one cell and, after being moved to a second cell, defecated in his hand and smeared feces on the cell door and walls, Sgt. Gammel said.
"He wrote his name in feces on the wall," Sgt. Gammel said.
After he was released from custody on $340 bail, Mr. Boise tweeted about his time in the cell on his Twitter account, writing, "just gout of jail...Loved it...I yelled and kicked their door for hours...Didn't back down...Tried to stuff **** in his face:)"
Police said Mr. Boise will be arraigned today in Fitchburg District Court on the charges.
Mr. Boise also penned a children's picture book called "The Star of Happiness." [/QUOTE]
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