Cut Throat - Mandi Moyer

[QUOTE=v123;214599]In Ev's blog, she stated that Mandi put them behind, and after that, Wes realized there was no way they were going to win and ended up throwing the exile. She also stated that team Wes/Mandi still overall had the second fastest exile time in Lost and Found while her and Luke had the fastest time, easily beating out Pete and Jill. Her time against Paula was third fastest overall. These were the scores from the Fresh Meat trials. [/QUOTE] LOL @ You putting up the charts. Look at who's the top fresh meat 2 girl, Cara Maria. Alright now compare her to the first female to be eliminated from the challenge. 'Nuff said. Look at Carley on the bottom of all of those charts, and now compare her with the female castmember who came in 1st. 'Nuff said

[QUOTE=v123;214599] These were the scores from the Fresh Meat trials. [/QUOTE] I wouldn't count the first one seeing as how only 2 girls did any pull-ups. The vertical jump has it's advantages if you are tall, but I would say Mandi isn't on the tall side which I would also say being short is another disadvantage in running as well. I just wouldn't call her the weakest based off those stats. She seems like a great competitor, just didn't have what it takes to beat Cara Maria, who is clearly stronger. On another note, I wouldn't even compare Mandi to Casey in the slightest mainly because 9/10 Mandi would kick Casey's ***, or that's how I see it.

[QUOTE=SPK713;214609]LOL @ You putting up the charts. Look at who's the top fresh meat 2 girl, Cara Maria.[/QUOTE] Top FM2 girls according to those trials were Laurel and Cara Maria. Laurel is obviously a monster of a competitor and Cara Maria owned Mandi in their face off despite being the same size as her. [quote]Alright now compare her to the first female to be eliminated from the challenge. 'Nuff said.[/quote] What are you talking about? Compare who to who? [quote]Look at Carley on the bottom of all of those charts, and now compare her with the female castmember who came in 1st. 'Nuff said[/quote] Cara Maria hasn't been around long enough, and Laurel was easily better than Carley on FM2. Carley as whole, did not do well on FM2 and had she not had Landon, she would've done just as bad as the rest of the girls. But that's another topic, so if you want to go into Carley's abilities then discuss it in a different thread without derailing the topic. In short, you're trying to discredit the scores by saying they don't prove much. The scores may not prove everything, but they do prove something, which is that Mandi is slow, unable to jump, unable to lift her own body weight, and not capable of finishing a small obstacle course. So LOL all you want but your LOLing won't change any of those facts. [quote]I wouldn't count the first one seeing as how only 2 girls did any pull-ups. The vertical jump has it's advantages if you are tall, but I would say Mandi isn't on the tall side which I would also say being short is another disadvantage in running as well.[/quote] Cara Maria is about the same weight as Mandi but she still ended up running faster and jumping higher by significant margins. [quote]I just wouldn't call her the weakest based off those stats. She seems like a great competitor, just didn't have what it takes to beat Cara Maria, who is clearly stronger. On another note, I wouldn't even compare Mandi to Casey in the slightest mainly because 9/10 Mandi would kick Casey's ***, or that's how I see it.[/quote] Different opinions, but I don't consider Mandi the weakest based on her stats alone. I consider her the weakest based on the stats AND her overall performance on FM2.

Cara Maria was the best girl based on those stats and she was eliminated first with one, if not, the best partner. Carley did very poorly and was mainly on the bottom of the charts yet she came in first. These stats prove nothing. Just because somebody is strong and fast as hell doesn't mean they are going to be good at the challenges, and people like Dunbar have proven that. The fact that you took out the charts that completely prove they are worthless is just pointless. Mandi did bad on the test, who gives a damn, doesn't mean she is a bad competitor at all.

[QUOTE=SPK713;214751]Cara Maria was the best girl based on those stats and she was eliminated first with one, if not, the best partner.[/quote] Laurel AND Cara Maria were the best based on those stats. Laurel proved she was the best on FM2 and Cara Maria proved that Mandi was nothing to her in their physical elimination round. Cara Maria and Darrell stalled on the puzzles in the Exile while Jillian and Peter solved them quickly and that's why they lost according to her. Cara Maria is bad at puzzles and that was evident when she struggled in the obstacle course when it came to lining up the colored rocks correctly. [quote]Carley did very poorly and was mainly on the bottom of the charts yet she came in first.[/quote] Had more to do with having LANDON as a partner. Laurel outperformed Carley on FM2 by a wide margin. Making note of who wins challenges is a way less accurate way of gauging who the better athletes are. In case you didn't notice, winning challenges has a lot to do with politics and luck while winning or doing well on missions actually proves or disproves athletic ability. [quote]Just because somebody is strong and fast as hell doesn't mean they are going to be good at the challenges, and people like Dunbar have proven that.[/quote] Bringing up Dunbar doesn't make any sense. Nobody has tested Dunbar's speed or strength so you have no point. People just assumed he was going to be a monster based on his size. [quote]These stats prove nothing. doesn't mean she is a bad competitor at all.[/quote] They prove that -she has little upper body strength -she's slow -she doesn't have enough endurance to finish a short obstacle, or that she can't climb a rope -she can't jump Whether you like it or not, more often than not, people who are tough on paper are tough in the competition. Sorry, but if you can't run, jump, lift a bag of chips, swim without a life vest, spell your name, or jog for 10 seconds without having a heart attack, then chances are, you're going to suck as a competitor unless you're lucky or a great people person.

[QUOTE=v123;214768]Whether you like it or not, more often than not, people who are tough on paper are tough in the competition. Sorry, but if you can't run, jump, lift a bag of chips, swim without a life vest, spell your name, or jog for 10 seconds without having a heart attack, then chances are, you're going to suck as a competitor unless you're lucky or a great people person.[/QUOTE] Now you're just being silly. Dunbar was just another example, he is strong, that's a fact, yet he manages to suck in every humanly way possible. You claim that Cara Maria is not a bad competitor because she beat Mandi yet you claim that Mandi is worthless. In your opinion, Cara Maria > Mandi, am I right? Well what if the elimination round was a puzzle? Cara Maria has only proven that she is good for stuff that takes strength, Mandi hasn't proved anything yet because she is not the strongest and fastest. Does that mean she is bad? Does it mean she "cant life a bag of chips?" No, it just means that her opponent was stronger than her, and that does not mean her opponent is better. I hope I'm making sense.

[quote]Dunbar was just another example, he is strong, that's a fact, yet he manages to suck in every humanly way possible.[/quote] Tell me when and where Dunbar showed his superior brute strength against other male competitors in a controlled, objective, time trial event. Dunbar's strength or speed has NEVER been recorded like a Fresh Meat casts'. People drew conclusions about his ability as an athlete based on his size. Understand now? [quote]Well what if the elimination round was a puzzle?[/quote] Then she would be lucky, because she apparently sucks at everything else under the sun. [quote]Mandi hasn't proved anything yet because she is not the strongest and fastest. Does that mean she is bad?[/quote] It means that she's weak and slow, two characteristics that are a big part of someone's athleticism.

[QUOTE=v123;214778]Tell me when and where Dunbar showed his superior brute strength against other male competitors in a controlled, objective, time trial event. Dunbar's strength or speed has NEVER been recorded like a Fresh Meat casts'. People drew conclusions about his ability as an athlete based on his size. Understand now? Then she would be lucky, because she apparently sucks at everything else under the sun. It means that she's weak and slow, two characteristics that are a big part of someone's athleticism.[/QUOTE] A better example of bein' strong and fast but not that good of a competitior is Derek from Road Rules: Viewer's Revenge, a D1 athlete, which in that case you have to be strong and fast, I believe he played football so yeah, look at how well Vinny did in some of those obstacle courses, and he's proven to be a below average competitior so far.

[QUOTE=gjams24;214782]A better example of bein' strong and fast but not that good of a competitior is Derek from Road Rules: Viewer's Revenge, a D1 athlete, which in that case you have to be strong and fast, I believe he played football so yeah, look at how well Vinny did in some of those obstacle courses, and he's proven to be a below average competitior so far.[/QUOTE] Vinny jumped the highest and that was it, he was not the best in any of those other events. Put the best players Evelyn, Evan, CT, Holly, Rachel, Kelly Anne, Alton, Landon, Jodi in a combine like that to "test" them and more often than not they would end up doing well. Evelyn and Evan were both tested and performed very well, and to no surprise, they are considered top competitors. Derek was considered one of the best guys on the Rookies team, and one of the best guys on the RV in RR but he was never put up against other guys like Evan(who did extremely well) in a controlled test. I'll give you a better example than Derek. The only person that would be a real "surprise" in terms of how they would probably do in a test like that compared to the actual game is Aneesa. She is an exception, not a rule. Unfortunately, Mandi has yet to show that she's in that category because her trial scores have thus far, matched her mission and elimination performances. All three are consistent with each other, which are poor and awful.

It's not like Mandi just gave up, she tried.

This whole conversation is pointless. Everybody's gonna have a different opinion of Mandi. I believe she can hold her own and I wouldn't mind having her on my team given there were other females who I would not want, because there are a lot who I consider Mandi better than. Casey, Shauvon, Brooke, to name a few. Honestly, I may be stretching it here, but I'd even put Mandi close to Rachel (Austin). Rachel is not that great and has never showed anything that proves her to be a good competitor. Maybe even Johanna too.

I don't think competitors should be lumped into the broad categories of simply "good" or "bad." There are three different areas where they must perform, each with different requirements. 1) Daily Missions 2) Elimination Rounds 3) Final Challenges Mandi seems about average or maybe slightly above average in Daily Missions (based on a solid time in King of the Wall on FM2, being able to complete Drop Out, and another solid performance in Air Heads) She's a good long distance runner and I believe a member of her school's cross-country running team. That would make her an asset in the finals of a team oriented season. What may hold her back in the Challenges is that she's not that great in the elimination rounds, due to her small size and lack of ferocity. I think many of the girls on the show belong to this basic archetype. The best runners tend to be smaller, lighter girls, who are more easily eliminated in the strength-based elimination rounds.

I have nothing against her but I would say that she should've beaten Jenn's *** on Fresh Meat 2.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;214965]I have nothing against her but I would say that she should've beaten Jenn's *** on Fresh Meat 2.[/QUOTE] That probably would not have been a smart move. Mandi admitted she was afraid of Jenn and that played a role in why she chose to let Jenn stay.

Mandi still has a lot to prove. I know she's would be a great competitor if she'd try harder.

[QUOTE=rey2pokey;215018]Mandi still has a lot to prove. I know she's would be a great competitor if she'd try harder.[/QUOTE] I agree, I feel like her yelling at Wes during their exile had something to do with why I kinda feel this way. Shows she actually wants to win instead of just have fun and party.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;214980]That probably would not have been a smart move. Mandi admitted she was afraid of Jenn and that played a role in why she chose to let Jenn stay.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? She was afraid of Jenn? You have GOT to be kidding me. If I was her Jenn's *** would've been up and out the door. I mean what was Jenn going to do? Besides that could've been one less team they had to worry about (assuming if they weren't going to replace Jenn).

[QUOTE=Debut Album;215127]Are you serious? She was afraid of Jenn? You have GOT to be kidding me. If I was her Jenn's *** would've been up and out the door. I mean what was Jenn going to do? Besides that could've been one less team they had to worry about (assuming if they weren't going to replace Jenn).[/QUOTE] Well, Wes wouldn't let her because they had an alliance. And Mandi and Jenn didn't hate each other, it was just the heat of the moment thing. I would've been pretty afraid of Jenn too, she's definitely feisty and tough, so if the producers told her "Ok, Mandi is sending you home" she probably wouldn't have been happy at all and could've went after Mandi with nothing else to lose. And I'm pretty sure Mandi said something like it wouldn't be fair to Noor and she wouldn't do that to him.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;215135]Well, Wes wouldn't let her because they had an alliance. And Mandi and Jenn didn't hate each other, it was just the heat of the moment thing. I would've been pretty afraid of Jenn too, she's definitely feisty and tough, so if the producers told her "Ok, Mandi is sending you home" she probably wouldn't have been happy at all and could've went after Mandi with nothing else to lose. And I'm pretty sure Mandi said something like it wouldn't be fair to Noor and she wouldn't do that to him.[/QUOTE] See the whole it not being fair to Noor thing...I can understand that. But I still think she shouldn't have feared Jenn. She isn't feisty and she isn't tough. I would like to see her get smart with someone who won't back down and won't take crap from anyone.

Meh, I think Jenn's probably one of the tougher, feistier girls on the challenges these days. I don't see her backing down to anybody herself and she's got the mouth to go with the attitude. She's also obviously not afraid to get physical so I don't really blame Mandi for not wanting to get into it with her.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;214980]That probably would not have been a smart move. Mandi admitted she was afraid of Jenn and that played a role in why she chose to let Jenn stay.[/QUOTE] Did Mandi actually say seriously that she was afraid of Jenn, or that at one point during the encounter, she was "scared"? I remember her saying on here that she was scared of getting in trouble and going home, but was not afraid of Jenn. Unless you are referring to the time when she said she was afraid that Jenn would show up on her doorstep with an axe, or something along those lines, if she got Jenn kicked off. I took that as a joke.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;215266]Did Mandi actually say seriously that she was afraid of Jenn, or that at one point during the encounter, she was "scared"? I remember her saying on here that she was scared of getting in trouble and going home, but was not afraid of Jenn. Unless you are referring to the time when she said she was afraid that Jenn would show up on her doorstep with an axe, or something along those lines, if she got Jenn kicked off. I took that as a joke.[/QUOTE] Yeah Jenn was definitely joking when she said she was gonna chop Mandi up and put the pieces on her mom's porch lol, but I vaguely remember somewhere Mandi did say she was afraid of Jenn, I don't realyl remember where though. I'll try finding out because I'm pretty sure it happened.

Didn't Mandi say that at the reunion?

I thought it was too but it was actually on the aftershow with Mark. Mandi says she was terrified during the whole thing.

She's very beautiful in my opinion. Speaking about challenges, she kind of look like a fool by questioning Jenn about this one's vote direction, but I think that happened because she didn't know about the agreement between Wes and Jenn, they should have told her, i think. In this one, she look exactly the same way. Chet ended up "doing business" with her (on his words) and still vote her for the gulag.

She says she would love to do another challenge if she gets called to do another one. :)

I like Mandi. I hope she does get to do one more.

[QUOTE=Youssarian;228797]I like Mandi. I hope she does get to do one more.[/QUOTE] I agree, I'll always root for her.