The Challenge: Cutthroat - Reunion (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=tjhallow;227589] [B]I do think that they are much more tolerable individual than all together[/B]. [B]I liked Bananas this season as well,[/B] just like Evan and Kenny were more tolerable by themselves during D2 and FM2.[/QUOTE] I agree with points 1 and 2 however I found Evan to be extremely annoying on The Duel 2 but thats besides the point. I also felt Kenny needed to be quiet much on the Fresh Meat 2. [QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;227605]I understand that what Laurel said was mean, but honestly, like someone said it was basically beating a dead horse. Laurel apologized and Eric wouldn't accept it. Why do we need to keep talking about it?[/QUOTE] That's right. But I feel that he's not making it any better by not accepting her apology. Its a little childish. Plus wasn't she drunk?

The only thing that really bothered me about this reunion was Laurel. I had started to like her during this challenge but now I feel the same way about her as I did during FM2. The way she was calling people out about things she was acting like she has been around on these shows for years. I think Johnny was 100% right in what he said to her. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I really doubt that Abram would fake being sick and throw the final challenge just to spite her. Also she kind of acted like Luke was absolutely no asset to the grey team in the final. Sure Luke's not the biggest guy around but I think he was doing a pretty good job of trying to encourage the girls.

[QUOTE=Old Friend;227618]That's right. But I feel that he's not making it any better by not accepting her apology. Its a little childish. Plus wasn't she drunk?[/QUOTE] Cara Maria said on formspring that Laurel was drunk and Paula was "on something". I remember during the NOLA reunion Knight kept going to get more "lemonade".

So apparently there was some explanation to the whole Tori not wanting to weigh her team down situation that wasn't aired according to Derrick's most recent podcast. Kind of makes sense and confuses me as to why production is so *****y about using a phone for a serious issue.

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;227624]Cara Maria said on formspring that Laurel was drunk and Paula was "on something". [B]I remember during the NOLA reunion Knight kept going to get more "lemonade[/B]".[/QUOTE] Thanks. That made my day, lol.

[QUOTE=Buck05;227375] 3) I think if you get Johnny, Kenny, or Evan by themselves they are much more likable. When they are together I can barely stand to watch the show because they are just so mean to people when they are together. But I could tolerate Evan on Duel 2, tolerate Kenny on Fresh Meat 2, and tolerated Johnny on this. The key word is tolerate, kids. [/QUOTE] Agreed. They each are far more tolerable by themselves. Combine any of them, and it's just too much to listen to. Johnny wasn't really that bad this time around. [QUOTE=Xeri99;227381]I'm now completely convinced that the production wanted Red team to win. Between the tire rolling and the stretcher carrying portions of the last mission, there was pretty much 0% chance of blue or gray winning due to lack of strength. And now they don't bring Camilla and Brandon on the show - these two were some of the best competitors and centers of drama, yet they are neglected because that would hurt production's favorite team's image. Might as well hire some actors at this point.[/QUOTE] Oh for God's sake you've got to be kidding me. What...you think that production made that final Challenge knowing that the Red team had it in the bag? I'm sure it was drawn up FAR before they know who would even be participating in the final. If you want to cry foul over production clearly favoring people, look no further than The Ruins, which was BLATANTLY set up for Evan, Kenny, and Johnny to win.

[QUOTE=townie;227606]I too kind of find Abe's new "holier than thou" attitude to be a bit ridiculous. Yes, he has aged and matured but he really has no business talking down to these kids that are the new era of the challenge. They're still young and doing nothing different than he did at that age. When he was their age, he was getting kicked off shows for punching people, having threesomes in the hot tub, getting wasted to the point that he was puking in vases, and acting like a juvenile in the process of throwing a challenge for the sole purpose of embarrassing somebody.[/QUOTE] It's not even about that. The people now ONLY drink. Before, the cast would have actual conversations and just about drunken nights. Abram said he has SO many stories from the old challenges but from these, nothing. I 100% agree and so did many others (I was at the reunion). This subject went on for a while and the casting is completely different now. Abram said the only person who he could have a legitimate conversation with was Tyler.

Wow, Laurel is once again really bitter towards having a team this reunion. Johnny is totally right with what he said to he Laurel. Also in the face, Abram looks like how he did when he was first introduced on these things or is it just me? The bunny suit could go. Also, what challenge are you referring to when you say he threw up in vases, Townie?

[QUOTE=AJHill;227643]Agreed. They each are far more tolerable by themselves. Combine any of them, and it's just too much to listen to. Johnny wasn't really that bad this time around. Oh for God's sake you've got to be kidding me. What...you think that production made that final Challenge knowing that the Red team had it in the bag? I'm sure it was drawn up FAR before they know who would even be participating in the final. If you want to cry foul over production clearly favoring people, look no further than The Ruins, which was BLATANTLY set up for Evan, Kenny, and Johnny to win.[/QUOTE] I actually agree with that person. I'm not usually one to cry conspiracy but that final challenge did seem a little over the abilities of Jenn and Emily, but then again, I hated the final challenge on the whole. The Ruins was easier and possible for both to win. I had the feeling that jenn and Emily didn't stand a chance.... at all, not because of their lack of abilities, but because of the ridiculous checkpoints. [QUOTE=jhl182;227646]It's not even about that. The people now ONLY drink. Before, the cast would have actual conversations and just about drunken nights. Abram said he has SO many stories from the old challenges but from these, nothing. I 100% agree and so did many others (I was at the reunion). This subject went on for a while and the casting is completely different now. Abram said the only person who he could have a legitimate conversation with was Tyler.[/QUOTE] Agreed fully. These challenges, I used to love them, I'd still watch them, but even I have to admit, these days, it;s just drunkenness, nudity and intense challenges/finals. 12 miles? ugh.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;227649]I actually agree with that person. I'm not usually one to cry conspiracy but that final challenge did seem a little over the abilities of Jenn and Emily, but then again, I hated the final challenge on the whole. The Ruins was easier and possible for both to win. I had the feeling that jenn and Emily didn't stand a chance.... at all, not because of their lack of abilities, but because of the ridiculous checkpoints. [/QUOTE] You're missing the point entirely. It's not like production saw what the final teams were, and then made the final mission up right after Derrick got sent home. There's no way that they could have predicted how the teams were going to stack up at the end. Yes, Jenn and Emily stood no chance, but how was production supposed to know that one of the teams at the end would be only 2 girls?

[QUOTE=Xeri99;227381]I'm now completely convinced that the production wanted Red team to win. Between the tire rolling and the stretcher carrying portions of the last mission, there was pretty much 0% chance of blue or gray winning due to lack of strength. And now they don't bring Camilla and Brandon on the show - these two were some of the best competitors and centers of drama, yet they are neglected because that would hurt production's favorite team's image. Might as well hire some actors at this point.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=cryssy19;227649]I actually agree with that person. I'm not usually one to cry conspiracy but that final challenge did seem a little over the abilities of Jenn and Emily, but then again, I hated the final challenge on the whole. The Ruins was easier and possible for both to win. I had the feeling that jenn and Emily didn't stand a chance.... at all, not because of their lack of abilities, but because of the ridiculous checkpoints.[/QUOTE] Isn't the point of the whole setup to keep as many team members as possible? And shouldn't the team with the most members in the end be rewarded by having tasks that cater to numbers? I would think it would be less fair if the final was so easy for a team that had lost almost all of its members to do as well as a team that had been able to keep a good majority of them. What would be the point of keeping people around then? To have a higher chance that one of them wouldn't do well and drag you down? I don't think production wanted the Red Team to win, I just think they wanted to create a final with tasks that would serve as a reward for the team that had been able to do well in challenges and eliminations and kept most of their team there. I see nothing wrong with that. The Red Team just ended up being the one with the most numbers and members that could pull their own weight.

[QUOTE=tatertots;227653]Isn't the point of the whole setup to keep as many team members as possible? And shouldn't the team with the most members in the end be rewarded by having tasks that cater to numbers? I would think it would be less fair if the final was so easy for a team that had lost almost all of its members to do as well as a team that had been able to keep a good majority of them. What would be the point of keeping people around then? To have a higher chance that one of them wouldn't do well and drag you down? I don't think production wanted the Red Team to win, I just think they wanted to create a final with tasks that would serve as a reward for the team that had been able to do well in challenges and eliminations and kept most of their team there. I see nothing wrong with that. The Red Team just ended up being the one with the most numbers and members that could pull their own weight.[/QUOTE] Amen!

[QUOTE=tatertots;227653]Isn't the point of the whole setup to keep as many team members as possible? And shouldn't the team with the most members in the end be rewarded by having tasks that cater to numbers? I would think it would be less fair if the final was so easy for a team that had lost almost all of its members to do as well as a team that had been able to keep a good majority of them. What would be the point of keeping people around then? To have a higher chance that one of them wouldn't do well and drag you down? I don't think production wanted the Red Team to win, I just think they wanted to create a final with tasks that would serve as a reward for the team that had been able to do well in challenges and eliminations and kept most of their team there. I see nothing wrong with that. The Red Team just ended up being the one with the most numbers and members that could pull their own weight.[/QUOTE] Seriously. If it had been the other way around, just for instance say, Blue's final team was Johnny/Derrick/Jenn/Emily, and Red's was just Tori/Paula, the same people would be whining about how production wanted Blue to win. I don't think there was any conspiracy by production to skew the final mission in Red's favor, since, as I've already said twice before, IT WAS PROBABLY MADE UP BY PRODUCTION WELL BEFORE THE FINAL TEAMS WERE DETERMINED.

[QUOTE=AJHill;227658]Seriously. If it had been the other way around, just for instance say, Blue's final team was Johnny/Derrick/Jenn/Emily, and Red's was just Tori/Paula, the same people would be whining about how production wanted Blue to win. I don't think there was any conspiracy by production to skew the final mission in Red's favor, since, as I've already said twice before, IT WAS PROBABLY MADE UP BY PRODUCTION WELL BEFORE THE FINAL TEAMS WERE DETERMINED.[/QUOTE] I understand all that. I don't necessarily think they definitely wanted Red to win. But what I do think is 1) I hated the final mission, I thought it was too extreme, not fun at all, even for a team with 4 players. 2) I feel like even though you have most of your players, a good final to me is one where, you never know who could win. With this final, however, IMO, Jenn and Emily didn't stand a chance. Sure they lost most of their players, but there was no possibility, no suspense that those 2 could have won. I understand they planned it a while before, I just didn't like the final. It was predictable and boring. That's MY opinion.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;227662]I understand all that. I don't necessarily think they definitely wanted Red to win. But what I do think is 1) I hated the final mission, I thought it was too extreme, not fun at all, even for a team with 4 players. 2) I feel like even though you have most of your players, a good final to me is one where, you never know who could win. With this final, however, IMO, Jenn and Emily didn't stand a chance. Sure they lost most of their players, but there was no possibility, no suspense that those 2 could have won. [B]I understand they planned it a while before, I just didn't like the final. It was predictable and boring. That's MY opinion[/B].[/QUOTE] I'll agree with you there. Once Abram went down, it was pretty obvious that Red was going to win. They couldn't even edit it to make it look close. As much as I didn't like FM2, it had probably the best final mission. It looked pretty epic.

[QUOTE=AJHill;227658]Seriously. IT WAS PROBABLY MADE UP BY PRODUCTION WELL BEFORE THE FINAL TEAMS WERE DETERMINED.[/QUOTE] Exactly. To even say in the first place that the final challenge happened the way it did or there was some sort of a conspiracy involved is a little much. [QUOTE=cryssy19;227662]I understand all that. I don't necessarily think they definitely wanted Red to win. But what I do think is 1) I hated the final mission, I thought it was too extreme, not fun at all, even for a team with 4 players. [/QUOTE] I don't think the final mission is meant to be fun in the first place. Money is on the line. Also, how was it anymore extreme than any other final excluding the hype from TJ? Also, I'm loving the TJ shout out at the end.

[QUOTE=Old Friend;227664]Exactly. To even say in the first place that the final challenge happened the way it did or there was some sort of a conspiracy involved is a little much. I don't think the final mission is meant to be fun in the first place. Money is on the line. Also, how was it anymore extreme than any other final excluding the hype from TJ? Also, I'm loving the TJ shout out at the end.[/QUOTE] How many other final missions were 13 miles long?

[QUOTE=tatertots;227653]Isn't the point of the whole setup to keep as many team members as possible? And shouldn't the team with the most members in the end be rewarded by having tasks that cater to numbers? I would think it would be less fair if the final was so easy for a team that had lost almost all of its members to do as well as a team that had been able to keep a good majority of them. What would be the point of keeping people around then? To have a higher chance that one of them wouldn't do well and drag you down? I don't think production wanted the Red Team to win, I just think they wanted to create a final with tasks that would serve as a reward for the team that had been able to do well in challenges and eliminations and kept most of their team there. I see nothing wrong with that. The Red Team just ended up being the one with the most numbers and members that could pull their own weight.[/QUOTE] I see what you're saying, and that's completely valid, but as a viewer I want to think all teams have a fair chance in the end, but all I could see was that gray and blue were hopelessly screwed. I would have liked to see the Tire and Stretchers replaced with something a girl could evenly compete at. I don't think that's too much to ask. edit: Also have a plan in place in case a member goes down.

I don't think it was rigged at all. It is what it is. I definitely think if Derrick was with the Blue Team, they could have won. Jenn and Emily did extremely well. You know Derrick would have pushed that tire the whole way while Em and Jenn took turns. That was the part they fell behind on. I also hate that people are discrediting the Red Team's win by saying "Well look who they went up against". Brad and Dunbar probably don't care but if I was them I would have to think... "****... we practically raced against a bunch of girls".

[QUOTE=jhl182;227646]It's not even about that. The people now ONLY drink. Before, the cast would have actual conversations and just about drunken nights. Abram said he has SO many stories from the old challenges but from these, nothing. I 100% agree and so did many others (I was at the reunion). This subject went on for a while and the casting is completely different now. Abram said the only person who he could have a legitimate conversation with was Tyler.[/QUOTE] You're looking at the perspective of one person in a house of 30. If he felt he couldn't have a conversation with anyone but Tyler, why does that reflect on everyone else except Abram? It could be that he has a personality that didn't mesh with other cast members. It could be a number of things, but just because Abram didn't like them, don't take it as a reflection of them. Not everyone is going to get along on shows. That's just how it is, but judging by one person's opinion isn't fair.

[QUOTE=townie;227606]I too kind of find Abe's new "holier than thou" attitude to be a bit ridiculous. Yes, he has aged and matured but he really has no business talking down to these kids that are the new era of the challenge. They're still young and doing nothing different than he did at that age. When he was their age, he was getting kicked off shows for punching people, having threesomes in the hot tub, getting wasted to the point that he was puking in vases, and acting like a juvenile in the process of throwing a challenge for the sole purpose of embarrassing somebody.[/QUOTE] That's a really good point. Why knock rookies for acting like rookies when every veteran did the same or similar things when they started the shows? In a few years when they've done more challenges, the current rookies will be veterans and most likely not still doing as much silly **** as they did on this one.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;227696]I don't think it was rigged at all. It is what it is. I definitely think if Derrick was with the Blue Team, they could have won. Jenn and Emily did extremely well. You know Derrick would have pushed that tire the whole way while Em and Jenn took turns. That was the part they fell behind on. [B]I also [/B][B]hate[/B][B] that people are discrediting the Red Team's win by saying "Well look who they went up against". Brad and Dunbar probably don't care but if I was them I would have to think... "****... we practically raced against a bunch of girls".[/B][/QUOTE] Is that what people are really saying ?? WOW !! I wonder what they were saying after JEKD and Susie barely took down those two powerhouse girls on the Ruins final ?? Can't discredit the Red team... a win is a win and a ton of money is a ton of money !!

[QUOTE=Xeri99;227691]I see what you're saying, and that's completely valid, but as a viewer I want to think all teams have a fair chance in the end, but all I could see was that gray and blue were hopelessly screwed. I would have liked to see the Tire and Stretchers replaced with something a girl could evenly compete at. I don't think that's too much to ask. edit: Also have a plan in place in case a member goes down.[/QUOTE] I don't think them being girls had that much to do with their loss, I think it was more that there were only two of them. Both Red and Grey had more people to bare the burden in those two Challenges and I'm sure it helped a lot more that they could shift weight on the stretcher or switch places and take a break from rolling the tires. Emily and Jenn seemed to be able to roll the tires fine the only problem was that they were the only ones doing it. Though you could argue that even if both Sarah and Abe had finished Red would have still had an advantage over them in the stretcher task because they had 4 bulkier guys carrying a lighter female compared to two girls and two guys carrying a girl but I don't think the difference would have been too one-sided. Grey only really lacked at that task because they had to wait for the two members to be taken away and then continue without them, two members down putting a bigger burden on the members left. I understand people want to see a more "exciting" finale by all the teams being at a more equal level in the tasks but I would rather have a team that preformed better throughout the whole Challenge be rewarded for that instead of penalized. That may just be me though.

[QUOTE=DerrickFTW;227478]What was all that Abram **** about walking off the stage? I think Eric was completely right, Laurel was shocked that her bullying **** got on tv, so she decided to cry about it on mtv.com. [B]Then she calls Katie to get Eric's number(like you could've tried to get that for 4 months, Laurel) and whether or not Katie gave Laurel Eric's number,[/B] Laurel could and should have gotten it from someone else of the cast. She's just a very not nice, cocky girl. And then all of a sudden TYLER takes over the show because he feels everyone should move on. What a BS! First of all, it's a REUNION SHOW to talk about what has happened on the challenge. Second of all, why does Tyler think he has the right to decide what should or shouldn't he be discussed. If he wants to do that, he should become a host. Johnny was great in the reunion. But Paula... It's so sad that it becomes funny. She tries to get the most air time on ANY reunion show, but she makes such a fool out of herself.[/QUOTE] And Katie did state clearly on Twitter that Laurel DID contact her to get Eric's number, but she gave her the number to the wrong Eric. When you're drinking, thrown a curveball like she was and had everyone watching you be put in this awkward situation, how would you have acted?

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;227703]Is that what people are really saying ?? WOW !! I wonder what they were saying after JEKD and Susie barely took down those two powerhouse girls on the Ruins final ?? Can't discredit the Red team... a win is a win and a ton of money is a ton of money !![/QUOTE] Yea! I read some people on twitter saying that the only reason Red won was cause they went against a bunch of girls.

Cara Maria said on her formspring that the whole gray team had to go back to re-do the puzzle, not just Laurel. She said that they weren't even close like the episode made it seem. Even with Abe, you have to figure that they may have messed up the puzzle anyway, thus screwing themselves over either way.

I will say this about Abram... I didn't care for him during his younger years on the challenges (including his RR season where he made a few comments that ****** me off), but it's nice to see that he's grown up. I enjoyed seeing him on The Island and was upset when he quit so early on. I'm hoping he comes back someday because he is one **** of a competitor.

Paula flipping her **** was amazing!!! I like her more and more every reunion! I wish she was this entertaining on the actual challenge! She's usually fairly low key until she gets "screwed over" In Derrick's podcast Brad was on and said that the whole story line of Tori wanting to leave so she didn't lose the final for her team was made up by production and the real reason was that they wouldn't let her call work to ask for the extra 2 weeks off, but MTV edited them explaining that out of the reuion. That's pretty interesting...

[QUOTE=Old Friend;227664]Exactly. To even say in the first place that the final challenge happened the way it did or there was some sort of a conspiracy involved is a little much. I don't think the final mission is meant to be fun in the first place. Money is on the line. Also, how was it anymore extreme than any other final excluding the hype from TJ? Also, I'm loving the TJ shout out at the end.[/QUOTE] Did you not see the end of the post stating it was my opinion? You can have yours and I respect that, but I thought the final challenge was basically a marathon. A foot race. Those check points were not interesting or creative. Yes, money is on the line, but as a show, it should be interesting and exciting enough for people to want to see more. Or else, the show would go down I think. Older challenges were great, we all know that, but IMO, what set them apart was that they were part fun, and exciting, while still being partly about athleticism. Look at other challenges- the Gauntlet- males could go against females in elimination rounds because they were games that either could win. I thought basically that this finale, was the worst I've ever seen out of this show. I hated The Island, but at least that finale was somewhat a creative idea. [QUOTE=llcooljonas;227706]And Katie did state clearly on Twitter that Laurel DID contact her to get Eric's number, but she gave her the number to the wrong Eric. When you're drinking, thrown a curveball like she was and had everyone watching you be put in this awkward situation, how would you have acted?[/QUOTE] Plus didn't Laurel say that before that happened, when she;d cone to hang out ( or sit and eat) with johnny and Big Easy, Easy would basically embarrass her and tell her that she can't hang out with them, and Johnny would have to tell him that Laurel is good she can hang with them. As well as before she attacked him, he began to tell her about her bacne? Plus I don't see where Easy is coming from at all. Of course she wanted to apologize when she saw the footage, she was drunk and prob couldn't remember most of what happened. Not excusing her ways, but didn't someone also say in their opinion, it made Easy seem worst because he came on the reunion show to basically talk down on Laurel for talking down on him? I actually kind of agreed with Abe but especially with Tyler. It's overdone. let it go MTV. Still didn't like the host. Didn't like that whole segment. IMO, they had better things they could talk about.... athough Laurel's face when they mentioned Big Easy was there, was priceless. LOL. I'd prefer to see Camila/Brandon/Paula/Toad issues than Laurel/Eric. [QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;227728]I will say this about Abram... I didn't care for him during his younger years on the challenges (including his RR season where he made a few comments that ****** me off), but it's nice to see that he's grown up. I enjoyed seeing him on The Island and was upset when he quit so early on. I'm hoping he comes back someday because he is one **** of a competitor.[/QUOTE] You're right. He's grown up. Plus, I kinda agree with him. These challenges seem a lot about just getting drunk. At least in older ones, they were sober most times. They did other things, but then again, they had a lot more freedom, so he can blame production for that.

- Johnny wins vs. Derrick when it comes to height, weight and mouth. Derrick easily wins for heart, determination and common decency. Derrick's no saint, but at the end of the day, his mother raised him well. - Production threw Brad and Tori under the bus because they knew going in that it was their last challenge. But, then, I'm not sure any traditional heterosexual couple will be welcomed by BMP. Just not their thing up there in the valley... - I find myself thinking that Laurel is a bundle of raw talent in need of remoulding. I get where she's coming from, but there are things to keep inside one's head that otherwise only serve to sabotage one's self when stated in front of a camera where a hateful editor will gladly exploit you ala the Marquis de Sade. - Paula, Paula, Paula... I swore I'd never do this again for another reality person, but when you recognize that it's past time for rehab, call me. - Tina. Why? Production, did you get what you paid for? Fools both... - Scooter (yes, I know you will hear about this), Eric, really? You had to know the truth about Katie's mistake with the phone number and Laurel's previous private sincere apology, but you couldn't let it go...and during the reunion you let it go on and on which is why Abe and Tyler reacted as they did. When will you learn that you must keep alcohol out of the Green Room? And you should have shown Tori's epic reply to Johnny's remark. I love you, bro, but this was not your finest edit... and you need to stop being an enabler.