The Challenge: Cut Throat - Episode 7 Discussion

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;221820] Could it be that Brad doesn't want to go into the Gulag and falling back on "my wife won't let me" is easier on his pride than admitting it? They didn't even make an attempt at doing the challenge, made an excuse and walked off. That's not even pretending to have good sportsmanship. Guys like Wes and Evan may play shady games, but at least they have the physical side to back it up.[/QUOTE] Brad probably doesn't want to go in because he realizes that, except for Luke, he would most likely lose to any of the guys left.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;221820]Am I the only one who thinks that Abram is the weakest guy on the grey team (next to Luke) right now? He's either lost his cool, steered his team wrong or not come through in the challenges and hasn't stepped up to go into the Gulag yet. On the last challenge (last night), Cara Maria stayed up on the rope and kept them grounded there, while he flailed around like an idiot. Then, like everything else on challenges, Abram made a lot of noise, acted tough and charged without thinking. He's not a great leader this go, in my opinion. I think the reason why Abram is calling out Laurel for not living up to her hype is the same reason why someone needs to call out the vets, like Abram, Tori and Brad. The only vet to really stand out has been Derrick, in my mind. Abram should have just said "I'm voting for Laurel, because I don't like you and Cara Maria keeps saving my *** and taking the heat for me." It'd be closer to the truth. Could it be that Brad doesn't want to go into the Gulag and falling back on "my wife won't let me" is easier on his pride than admitting it? They didn't even make an attempt at doing the challenge, made an excuse and walked off. That's not even pretending to have good sportsmanship. Guys like Wes and Evan may play shady games, but at least they have the physical side to back it up.[/QUOTE] Dude, Abe basically dragged Cara Maria through those ropes with a really solid time and won the basketball challenge. When he screwed up on the second challenge he volunteered himself in. He's been a great leader(i disagree with his decision to vote in laurel) but other than that i think he's been the most valuable player to the team than any other player

[QUOTE=The Beast;221824]Dude, Abe basically dragged Cara Maria through those ropes with a really solid time and won the basketball challenge. When he screwed up on the second challenge he volunteered himself in. He's been a great leader(i disagree with his decision to vote in laurel) but other than that i think he's been the most valuable player to the team than any other player[/QUOTE] If she hadn't of held on the way she did, he wouldn't have been able to drag her across the rope, which yeah, he did, because they would have DQed. He was off the rope and she stayed on, while he flailed around making a lot of noise. He volunteered himself, but he didn't say "I'm stepping up, send me in," the way that Dan did, Derrick did and even Brandon did after he blew the swimming challenge. He had to know nobody would vote him in and saying he was volunteering was pretense.

The tags of this thread are a hoot. On a different note however, I don't read spoilers and I can already tell who's going to win this season. It just seems kind of obvious. The red and grey teams don't have their **** together and the blue team cut out all of their dead weight (if Theresa wasn't there, I think they'd be unstoppable). Not a fan of the blue team mainly because I'm sick of seeing Johnny and Derrick win, but I do like Emily and will be happy if she can pull out a win on her first challenge since it's a hard thing to do nowadays.

[QUOTE=The Beast;221824]Dude, Abe basically dragged Cara Maria through those ropes with a really solid time and won the basketball challenge. When he screwed up on the second challenge he volunteered himself in. He's been a great leader(i disagree with his decision to vote in laurel) but other than that i think he's been the most valuable player to the team than any other player[/QUOTE] I agree. Except for the second challenge (which the whole team could take some blame in, though Abram seemed to be the one with the "strategy"), Abram's been strong. He was able to control the tightrope mission, even with his "slips." I think all of Abram's talk about CM being the one who held it down for him in that mission was a whole bunch of bluster. Clearly he wanted to keep his girl out of a gulag and wanted her to look good to the team. I agree with other people who have said that he could have just voted for Laurel because he didn't like her, if that's the case (which from the interview on here, it sounds like he didn't care much for her). He had no problem voting for Sarah just because he wanted to cause confusion on the team. I think he may have even given CM a false sense of how she was performing by doing that. And didn't Abram say she helped him a lot in the gas chamber one? I don't know about that. We couldn't really see enough of that, but I know he at least was holding her hand and leading her into there. Still, it's not really much to judge by. Laurel and Sarah need to talk to Luke and try to influence him to vote based on strength. It looks like she is thinking about throwing a mission from the previews, and that's not going to help her.

[QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;221827]The tags of this thread are a hoot. On a different note however, I don't read spoilers and [B]I can already tell who's going to win this season. It just seems kind of obvious.[/B] The red and grey teams don't have their **** together and the blue team cut out all of their dead weight (if Theresa wasn't there, I think they'd be unstoppable). Not a fan of the blue team mainly because I'm sick of seeing Johnny and Derrick win, but I do like Emily and will be happy if she can pull out a win on her first challenge since it's a hard thing to do nowadays.[/QUOTE] ORELY? Your powers of observation may have been trumped by better than average editing, but you will know if that is true in only a few short weeks.

Ugh! I really do not want to wait for 2 weeks to see the heavy hitters episode. I am not a big fan of Laurels. She is my least favorite player. I can see how they would put her in. It is true that she could beat almost all of the girls on the other team. I really don't think that Princess Tori could have beaten her either, Or Paula.

Ok saw the episode finally and I have to say that I'm getting completely annoyed by Laurel and Sarah's sense of entitlement. I truly hope one day Coral does return on a Challange these two are on, just so she can shut them the **** up but I sadly know that won't happen. Laurel is still a rookie, yeah she made it to the FM2 final and dominated that Challenge but Jesus H. ****** you aren't gods gift to challenges. Her line "Cara Maria has never done anything like this", granted Laurel lasted more on FM2 than Cara Maria did but they have the same number of Challenges under their belt, or has Laurel been doing a PBS Challenge we never knew about. And Sarah? whatever really, its been debated to death and that topic bores me already. Other thoughts, love how Brad admitted there is no leader on red team..guess he doesn't wanna be the one to blame for all the screw ups. Dunbar made me chuckle when he called himself DummyBear.

This episode proved that no one in the challenges can beat Laurel until Ashlee feldman faces her in a future one. Ashee is the only one that matches (or is better than) her in athleticism, height, weight, and power. The quicker they get ashlee on a challenge, the quicker Laurels mini reign will end.

[QUOTE=jace89;221837]This episode proved that no one in the challenges can beat Laurel until Ashlee feldman faces her in a future one.[/QUOTE] Uh...how?

[QUOTE=molds13;221839]Uh...how?[/QUOTE] It just looks like laurel because of her size athleticism is in another league than these girls. New Orleans Ashlee because of her size and her athletic background is the only one i see (that's younger) beating her. Laurel is beating up on girly girls.

[QUOTE=jace89;221840]It just looks like laurel because of her size athleticism is in another league than these girls. New Orleans Ashlee because of her size and her athletic background is the only one i see (that's younger) beating her. [B]Laurel is beating up on girly girls.[/B][/QUOTE] Which is exactly what makes her look like she's in another league... I think Laurel's a good competitor, don't get me wrong. But anyone can lose. No one's perfect. And I definitely think that there are girls that could give her a run for her money. Height isn't everything.

[QUOTE=molds13;221841]Which is exactly what makes her look like she's in another league... I think Laurel's a good competitor, don't get me wrong. But anyone can lose. No one's perfect. And I definitely think that there are girls that could give her a run for her money. Height isn't everything.[/QUOTE] True, but most of these girls are intimated by the mere presence of laurel. Most of the girls on the challenges are 5'0-5'6, Laurel at 6'3* (i don't believe she's that tall) puts her at a severe height and size advantage. Ashlee to me is the only one who match her in every stat and not be intimidated.

Molds I hate to disagree with you but I think Brad could easily beat Johhny in a gulag. Against Abe, it would be an even battle, as well as against Derrick. We need to remember that Brad is a competitor and I think that if he stepped into a gulag, we would see the Brad that we all remember, the tough competitor that he is. A great example of this would be when he faced Abe in the Inferno 2 in a very close and competitive matchup.

Laurel also proved he height isnt an advantage, just look at the bed head challenge, she could easily get from one bed to another one thanks to her height..yet first one in and she falls to the water.

[QUOTE=jace89;221837]This episode proved that no one in the challenges can beat Laurel until Ashlee feldman faces her in a future one.[/QUOTE] Uh...I know Laurel beat Camila, who beat a bunch of girls, but then again, who did Camila beat? Emilee (who the heck knows how good she is) and Katie. Yes, Camila performed well in challenges, but it's not like she's a legend or something, and Laurel almost lost to her. This win didn't really prove a whole lot to me, honestly. I don't think Abram is any less of a leader for going ape**** on the line in the last challenge. Yes, he fell down a lot, but he didn't fall off and he made it across faster than Laurel and Sarah. It's just his style to do things all out and a little crazy, not s-l-o-w and careful. I still disagree with the reason he gave to Laurel for voting her in, though. Yes, it was Cara Maria that saved him twice, but for all we know it could have been anyone else as well. It's not like she's done anything in particular to really prove herself.

[QUOTE=Entropy;221848]Laurel also proved he height isnt an advantage, just look at the bed head challenge, she could easily get from one bed to another one thanks to her height..yet first one in and she falls to the water.[/QUOTE] That's different. Laurel didn't have anyone to catch her.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;221849]Uh...I know Laurel beat Camila, who beat a bunch of girls, but then again, who did Camila beat? Emilee (who the heck knows how good she is) and Katie. Yes, Camila performed well in challenges, but it's not like she's a legend or something, and Laurel almost lost to her. This win didn't really prove a whole lot to me, honestly. I don't think Abram is any less of a leader for going ape**** on the line in the last challenge. Yes, he fell down a lot, but he didn't fall off and he made it across faster than Laurel and Sarah. It's just his style to do things all out and a little crazy, not s-l-o-w and careful. I still disagree with the reason he gave to Laurel for voting her in, though. Yes, it was Cara Maria that saved him twice, but for all we know it could have been anyone else as well. It's not like she's done anything in particular to really prove herself.[/QUOTE] NO, that's not what i meant. This elimination round was the only was laurel could lose. It was something that even the playing field and she still won.

[QUOTE=jace89;221852]That's different. Laurel didn't have anyone to catch her.[/QUOTE] Neither did the much smaller people on other teams that went before her, that just an excuse for her sucking on a mission that was to her advantage. Laurel is not as great as she thinks she is.

That realization by Brad that there's no leader on his team was sad to watch. He's been on the most Challenges, gone into plenty of elimination rounds, and performed above average on nearly every Challenge he's been on. He was the obvious candidate to lead the team and call the shots, but I'm just not sure that he's comfortable taking the leadership role. Maybe being there with his wife, who clearly is swaying his game, has something to do with it. He should have stepped up as the leader at the start of things. I like Brad, but he's proved in this Challenge, and The Ruins, that he's not a good leader and is better as a complementary player, like he was on Inferno 2, and Gauntlet 3.

So can we finally put the "Johnny is a weak competitor" argument to rest?

[QUOTE=TDMEL52;221847]Molds I hate to disagree with you but I think Brad could easily beat Johhny in a gulag. Against Abe, it would be an even battle, as well as against Derrick. We need to remember that Brad is a competitor and I think that if he stepped into a gulag, we would see the Brad that we all remember, the tough competitor that he is. A great example of this would be when he faced Abe in the Inferno 2 in a very close and competitive matchup.[/QUOTE] don't want to hijack this into a "who can beat who" thread but if there were a pecking order left i would go Abram, derrick, brad, johnny from best odds to worst odds to win. The only gulag johnny would be better than the other three would be the strap on challenge because he has 10-20 pounds on all of them(not entirely sure though). Don't get me wrong, brad is a solid competitor but Derrick and Abe are just better

What has Tori ever done anyways? She acts like she's this great competitor who's a top dog among the girls, but the few challenges she's been in I don't ever remember seeing her do anything to prove how great she is. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of anything. Townie, I couldn't agree with you more about seeing the big physical people forced to do stupid non-physical elimination rounds like that dice one. Every elimination round should be physical. This really bugged me on the Duel 2. It seemed like almost every guy elimination was either one of the 2 climbing games or the one in which you had to pull the chain as fast as you could to raise yourself while in a cage. The girls, on the other hand, always would get "Push Over" and "Back Off" Honestly, this challenge has been pretty uneventful so far and makes me really want to see a Duel 3 with only the best competitors and only the best elimination round games. CT coming back for an episode of Cutthroat is pretty cool, even if he's only going to be in it for a little bit.

Yeah I think Abe and Derrick can get into an elimination face off mode better than the others.

I do hope Dan returns and makes more frequent apperances, he seems like the one guy everyone from each team actually liked.

[strike]i liked dan, he seems like a really good dude and even though he didn't drink, he was still more entertaining than the other kids when they were drunk its a shame we didn't get a physical gulag, i wanted to the see the danimal run wild[/strike] I liked Dan, he seems like a really good dude and even though he didn't drink, he was still more entertaining than the other kids when they were drunk. It's a shame we didn't get a physical gulag, I wanted to see the Danimal run wild.

[QUOTE=The Beast;221887][strike]i liked dan, he seems like a really good dude and even though he didn't drink, he was still more entertaining than the other kids when they were drunk its a shame we didn't get a physical gulag, i wanted to the see the danimal run wild[/strike] I liked Dan, he seems like a really good dude and even though he didn't drink, he was still more entertaining than the other kids when they were drunk. It's a shame we didn't get a physical gulag, I wanted to see the Danimal run wild.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid him being sober would be the one factor that BMP doesn't invite him back. Sure they invited him this time to show the difference but production tends to like them drinking so that drama ensues.

[QUOTE=jace89;221854]NO, that's not what i meant. This elimination round was the only was laurel could lose. It was something that even the playing field and she still won.[/QUOTE] I get that, but that doesn't mean she's still better than everyone else. Camila hasn't proven herself to be really good at this Gulag, so it's hard to say if Laurel's performance was really amazing, or if it was just good enough to beat another mediocre one. Because it evens the playing field, we don't know that Laurel can't be beaten--for all we know, Jenn is really agile and would destroy Laurel on this one. And size isn't the only thing that matters--remember how Evelyn won their wrestling matches? Yeah, it was "for fun," but we know how competitive the both of them are--they were taking it seriously.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;221809]"Queen Itch"? Where did that come from?[/QUOTE] I left off the first letter of the second word. I was going to use the name Brandon, Queen B (B does not stand for Bee), but decided to be creative. [QUOTE=AJHill;221860]That realization by Brad that there's no leader on his team was sad to watch. He's been on the most Challenges, gone into plenty of elimination rounds, and performed above average on nearly every Challenge he's been on. He was the obvious candidate to lead the team and call the shots, but I'm just not sure that he's comfortable taking the leadership role. Maybe being there with his wife, who clearly is swaying his game, has something to do with it. He should have stepped up as the leader at the start of things. I like Brad, but he's proved in this Challenge, and The Ruins, that he's not a good leader and is better as a complementary player, like he was on Inferno 2, and Gauntlet 3.[/QUOTE] Cosign.I wish Brad would just ask for his balls back from Tori but as Johnny pointed out Brad and Dummybear would still have only half a brain if they combined what they both have in their skulls. I wonder what CT’s opinion is on how Brad has been playing the game now since they go way back.

[QUOTE=eggs78;221892]. I wonder what CT’s opinion is on how Brad has been playing the game now since they go way back.[/QUOTE] I think he probably doesn't care, as it doesn't involved him at all.