The Challenge: Cut Throat - Episode 6 Discussion

[QUOTE=jbo29j;220523] Tori actually is an outstanding athlete, tori and brad dont have to prove anything this challenge they've done this before.[/QUOTE] Since when do they have to STOP proving themself and what great feat of athleticism has either of them pulled off? Tori went against Melinda in Gauntlet 3. Uh huh. Just skip that one. Brad didn't go in AT ALL on Gauntlet 3 and made it to the end, why? The only one I'm even slightly impressed with is Brad's win against CT in The Duel and even then, wasn't CT DQed, so it only looks good on paper. And since every challenge is different, doing one or winning one doesn't mean you should be handed the game. They still need to earn it.

Why would she let THE Dummy Bear pick HER team? Hmmm...that explains a lot. Why is she so boy crazy? Kinda reminds me of Paula in Duel 2.

Well she chose Dunbar cause she wanted to hook up with him..so that explains it all.

[QUOTE=Entropy;220530]Well she chose Dunbar cause she wanted to hook up with him..so that explains it all.[/QUOTE] Stuff like this is making me feel like I shouldn't feel bad for her...

[QUOTE=AEvans5;220533]Stuff like this is making me feel like I shouldn't feel bad for her...[/QUOTE] I lived in Brazil for awhile. I'm almost positive it's the whole country and not her. The girls there are very... uninhibited compared to most American girls. A lot of what people give her **** for, from what I've seen, have been cultural things that she can't help. Brazilian women are not quiet and passive at all. They're loud and honest. They also like *** A LOT, so... I can't blame her for everything. They also like to party. Her choosing guys based on wanting to hook up isn't surprising, but I wouldn't underestimate her either.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;220527]Since when do they have to STOP proving themself and what great feat of athleticism has either of them pulled off? Tori went against Melinda in Gauntlet 3. Uh huh. Just skip that one. Brad didn't go in AT ALL on Gauntlet 3 and made it to the end, why? The only one I'm even slightly impressed with is Brad's win against CT in The Duel and even then, wasn't CT DQed, so it only looks good on paper. And since every challenge is different, doing one or winning one doesn't mean you should be handed the game. They still need to earn it.[/QUOTE] So you think Brad and Tori should have been sent in, to prove themselves. At the very least they've shown they dont slow their team down. Camilla didnt do anything before this challenge, even from the little shes proved know shes not better than tori. The good competencies from one season generally are the good competitors and the next things dont really change.

[QUOTE=llcooljonas;220537]I lived in Brazil for awhile. I'm almost positive it's the whole country and not her. [B]The girls there are very... uninhibited compared to most American girls.[/B] A lot of what people give her **** for, from what I've seen, have been cultural things that she can't help. Brazilian women are not quiet and passive at all. They're loud and honest. They also like *** A LOT, so... I can't blame her for everything. They also like to party. Her choosing guys based on wanting to hook up isn't surprising, but I wouldn't underestimate her either.[/QUOTE] It's not just Brazil...it's pretty much the rest of the world. Belou's outbreak is kinda under the same category: everyone at the challenge thought she was crazy, but that probably would have been perfectly normal in the Netherlands.

[QUOTE=jbo29j;220546]So you think Brad and Tori should have been sent in, to prove themselves. At the very least they've shown they dont slow their team down. Camilla didnt do anything before this challenge, even from the little shes proved know shes not better than tori. The good competencies from one season generally are the good competitors and the next things dont really change.[/QUOTE] I absolutely believe they should go into Gulags and prove themselves. They haven't been great on the challenges thus far or blown anyone away with their performances. They're vets and that's why they haven't gone in, which is fine but don't act like you're better than someone else when you haven't done anything to prove it. Brad will skate by as long as he can without doing a thing, as shown in Gauntlet 3 for both of them and Tori complaining excessively. They look great together and I do root for them, but have they earned it? Not in my opinion. Landon earned his. Brad, from everything I've seen, has not and neither has Tori, particularly in their last few challenges. They're coasting on a sense of entitlement.

[QUOTE=cystic;220566]Agree, agree, and agree. While I don't necessarily think they "need" to go in, the idea shouldn't be such a forbidden thought. Tori's showing on the Duel 2 was absolutely terrible, and I only say that because she was much more capable than that. [B]Brad will always be known as 1st Loser. That's his legacy on The Challenges.[/B] Townie summed it up beautifully. If he deserved a win that badly, then he wouldn't have come second fiddle time and time again. Camila won the spring break challenge, so she at least has something over his head (and no, I don't think SB Challenge = Real Challenge, so please no one misquote me on this and say derp derp). [B]Camila is far from the best on this challenge, but to say she is weak enough to be branded the justifiable scapegoat is absurd and baseless.[/B] She has proven "something", whereas other people on her team continue to prove "nothing". [B]If the Final Mission involved having threesomes with big black guys, then sure, I definately think taking Dunbar to the final is a brilliant idea[/B].[/QUOTE] I agree completely. It's like Dunbar on The Island. He did nothing to earn his place, but acted as if he were somehow better than everyone else. Pride before the fall. I'm guessing they'll manage to skate by again on this one, but unless I see them kick some *** in an elimination or challenge, I wouldn't say they earned anything. She won something on her own and that is something. Not a lot, but coupled with her gulag experience, she and Brandon are the only ones who did prove their worth on the red team. Dunbar, Tyler, Chet and Brad all coasted on Brandon's coat tails through gulags and if not for Brandon, they'd have a **** of a lot less to brag about, such as number of players. Could Tyler, Brad, Chet or Dunbar have beat JD? Derek? I won't even mention Ty, because that was just ridiculous. JD, Ty and Derek may not have been the strongest guys, but I don't see Chet beating them in an elimination... if Ty had taken it seriously. Correction: failing in a threesome with a black guy! He didn't walk away with that one with any bragging rights. Even one of Flava Flav's girls was like **** this I'm going home.

[QUOTE=cystic;220566]Agree, agree, and agree. While I don't necessarily think they "need" to go in, the idea shouldn't be such a forbidden thought. Tori's showing on the Duel 2 was absolutely terrible, and I only say that because she was much more capable than that. Brad will always be known as 1st Loser. That's his legacy on The Challenges. Townie summed it up beautifully. If he deserved a win that badly, then he wouldn't have come second fiddle time and time again. Camila won the spring break challenge, so she at least has something over his head (and no, I don't think SB Challenge = Real Challenge, so please no one misquote me on this and say derp derp). Camila is far from the best on this challenge, but to say she is weak enough to be branded the justifiable scapegoat is absurd and baseless. She has proven "something", whereas other people on her team continue to prove "nothing". [B]If the Final Mission involved having threesomes with big black guys, then sure, I definately think taking Dunbar to the final is a brilliant idea.[/B][/QUOTE] *****! I know right. But in all seriousness I have no clue why they continue to drag Dunbar along. Maybe because he's so far up [U]Toad[/U]'s ([B]To[/B]ri + Br[B]ad[/B]) *** they feel safe with him. That kid is the new Danny and everyone knows it except the people actually on these shows. I hope Brad loses for the 8th time. The reason why he always loses is because his strategies are horrible. G3: "Trimming the Fat" but allowing Casey to stay as long as she did (If it wasn't for Coral she might've been at the end) and not cutting Eric loose when they had the chance. D2: Oh yeah being in an alliance with 3 biggest, baddest males screams Victory right? Ruins: Not voting in Casey and crying about it later. Cutthroat: Brandon over Dunbar & Chet.

The red team (Brad, Tori, Dunbar, Paula, and Tyler) are playing the PERFECT game.

[QUOTE=molds13;220554]It's not just Brazil...it's pretty much the rest of the world. Belou's outbreak is kinda under the same category: everyone at the challenge thought she was crazy, but that probably would have been perfectly normal in the Netherlands.[/QUOTE] You're totally right, yeah. Then, you have Jo's whatever that was on Gauntlet 2, Ruthie's laid back yet bad assness, Johanna from Peru, though Johanna's the only one who hasn't appeared to have a lot of culture shock on a challenge.

[QUOTE=cystic;220540]I don't think I ever said that exactly. You probably shouldn't parahprase someone and then make a blanket statement that you got out of no where, thanks. That's how pointless arguments start on this forum. What I meant in my comment was Tori and Brad shouldn't be preaching about being grateful. If they want to take credit for "sparing" Camila from the Gulag, then she should at least deserve some credit for picking them in the first place. And no, Dunbar doesn't override Camila's captain position because [B]she[/B] picked [B]him[/B]. You could say Camila dug her own grave by picking that team, but at the end of the day, the only reason they're there on that team is because of her. Had they been divided into separate teams, then they wouldn't have the power of majority vote that they claim to have. Think of it that way.[/QUOTE] I didnt paraphrase anything **** i didnt even phrase anything you said. I asked you a question hence the question mark. I didnt say "i cant believe you said that brad cant vote for camilla because he was picked, now that would be misstating what you said". They've given Camilla credit, maybe not for picking them but whenever she's done well they went with the weakest. They sent her in week 1 which anyone would've done she came back. Next week they picked Mandi. A few challenges later they send her again she impresses them so they decide Melinda is weaker. They were perfectly fair when it came to picking women players to go in. O and Cammilla didnt give them a majority, as in next week will be the first time they will have one.

[QUOTE=RMD1;220577]The red team (Brad, Tori, Dunbar, Paula, and Tyler) are playing the PERFECT game.[/QUOTE] Yeah...to get that little group to the finals. NOT to win.

I think all the teams have a pretty even shot at winning the final. As they are constructed right now, I don't know who I would consider the favorite if the final were to happen next episode. The midseason preview looks nuts though, Abram puking, Tori getting carted off, Dunbar bleeding, Derrick screaming in frustration, and of course, the CT curveball. I really can't wait to see how it all shakes down, and I think the Gulag votes are going to get much more intense now that most of the weak players and scapegoats are gone.

I really like how a lot of the newer people (I'm including FM2) are showing that they can play. Who really sucked out of the newbies? Ty and JD kinda. Camila has been pretty **** good, Brandon and Emily have been great, Cara's been alright, Emilee and Derek did really well despite going home. Vinny didn't really do too badly in the challenges, he just imploded on the gulag. The only person who's disappointed me is Laurel, and not because she's been BAD, but because she was awesome on FM2 and here she's just been ok.

Derrick's Podcast with Kenny and Brandon: [url=http://talentnetworkinc.blogspot.com/2010/11/derrick-kosinski-podcast-mtv-cutthroat_12.html]Talent Network News: Derrick Kosinski Podcast | MTV Cutthroat | w/Kenny Santucci | Brandon Exit Interview[/url]

[QUOTE=fabulous788;220629]Derrick's Podcast with Kenny and Brandon: [url=http://talentnetworkinc.blogspot.com/2010/11/derrick-kosinski-podcast-mtv-cutthroat_12.html]Talent Network News: Derrick Kosinski Podcast | MTV Cutthroat | w/Kenny Santucci | Brandon Exit Interview[/url][/QUOTE] I loved that he threw that pansy Brad under the bus. Some might say Brad is just playing the same game JEK uses to get the money at the end but at least JEK back up their game with athletic ability and team leadership. Brad just shifts blame and hides behind his wife. Hoping for Toad vs. the rest of the cast during the reunion.

[QUOTE=jbo29j;220523]Tori actually is an outstanding athlete, Tori and Brad don't have to prove anything this challenge they've done this before.[/QUOTE] That says absolutely nOthing and since when is Tori an OUTSTANDING athlete???? She's ok in my eyes, in the top 25% of girls on THIS challenge, but I wouldn't go as far as saying she is outstanding esp since I don't believe she proved anything. Brad didn't prove anything really either. He's looked up to, not because he's strong or anything, but because he's prob the oldest vet n arguably the strongest guy ON THEIR TEAM. [QUOTE=llcooljonas;220527]Since when do they have to STOP proving themself and what great feat of athleticism has either of them pulled off? Tori went against Melinda in Gauntlet 3. Uh huh. Just skip that one. Brad didn't go in AT ALL on Gauntlet 3 and made it to the end, why? The only one I'm even slightly impressed with is Brad's win against CT in The Duel and even then, wasn't CT DQed, so it only looks good on paper. And since every challenge is different, doing one or winning one doesn't mean you should be handed the game. They still need to earn it.[/QUOTE] THANK YOU! I was wondering if I was the only one thinking it. [QUOTE=cystic;220566]Agree, agree, and agree. While I don't necessarily think they "need" to go in, the idea shouldn't be such a forbidden thought. Tori's showing on the Duel 2 was absolutely terrible, and I only say that because she was much more capable than that. Brad will always be known as 1st Loser. That's his legacy on The Challenges. Townie summed it up beautifully. If he deserved a win that badly, then he wouldn't have come second fiddle time and time again. Camila won the spring break challenge, so she at least has something over his head (and no, I don't think SB Challenge = Real Challenge, so please no one misquote me on this). Camila is far from the best on this challenge, but to say she is weak enough to be branded the justifiable scapegoat is absurd and baseless. She has proven "something", whereas other people on her team continue to prove "nothing". If the Final Mission involved having threesomes with big black guys, then sure, I definately think taking Dunbar to the final is a brilliant idea.[/QUOTE] Agreed completely. Brad had the chance to be a top notch player both physically and strategy-wise and he blew all. He could have shown he was good if he beat Evan in The Duel 2 or by winning completely fairly against Landon. But he didn't. He's average IMO, just overrated and not a good strategist. [QUOTE=jbo29j;220601]I didnt paraphrase anything **** i didnt even phrase anything you said. I asked you a question hence the question mark. I didnt say "i cant believe you said that brad cant vote for camilla because he was picked, now that would be misstating what you said". They've given Camilla credit, maybe not for picking them but whenever she's done well they went with the weakest. They sent her in week 1 which anyone would've done she came back. Next week they picked Mandi. A few challenges later they send her again she impresses them so they decide Melinda is weaker. They were perfectly fair when it came to picking women players to go in. O and Cammilla didnt give them a majority, as in next week will be the first time they will have one.[/QUOTE] Actually there was a week when they sent her into the gulag, and in the dungeon, she said she did better than Melinda, but the only excuse the others had of sending her (Camila) in was "Well she's not in our alliance" or "I'm voting Camila just cause" Melinda should have gotten sent in way before. I never really saw Camila MESS UP a mission so i'm just saying. The Red Team is trying to play Cutthroat and be like JEK, even though they claim to not like them, but they are not playing a smart game to win, just to protect themselves IMO. Edit: Well they did have the majority. Firstly Tyler, Dunbar and Paula was one. Then Tori and Brad joined forces (mostly cuz Paula and Dunbar was *********** as Tyler said.) And Melinda is friends with Paula and apparently Tori, so that's another. And Chet was the "trying to get in" person along with Mandi kinda. SO Camila and Brandon were always the outsiders and never stood a chance. Pure strength and performance kept them there till halfway, and this is truly commendable.

[QUOTE=eggs78;220634]I loved that he threw that pansy Brad under the bus. Some might say Brad is just playing the same game JEK uses to get the money at the end but at least JEK back up their game with athletic ability and team leadership. Brad just shifts blame and hides behind his wife. Hoping for Toad vs. the rest of the cast during the reunion.[/QUOTE] I thought it was a great podcast. I think my favorite part was the very end when Brandon saying he doesn't hate anyone, even Ty, but if he had enough money he would buy Ty a therapist.

I'm loving that Brad is finally getting outted for the athletic genius that he is.

[QUOTE=faceless;220643]I'm loving that Brad is finally getting outted for the athletic genius that he is.[/QUOTE] I like brad and think he's a great competitor but man that guy gets blown up when he has to go up against the elite players in the game. Inferno 2, Abe wrecked his **** in that ball game, duel 1 CT absolutely abused him and lost on a questionable DQ, and duel 2 landon threw him around like a rag doll Oh yeah i almost forgot derrick made brad his ***** in that coconut game on G2

[QUOTE=The Beast;220689]I like brad and think he's a great competitor but man that guy gets blown up when he has to go up against the elite players in the game. Inferno 2, Abe wrecked his **** in that ball game, duel 1 CT absolutely abused him and lost on a questionable DQ, and duel 2 landon threw him around like a rag doll[/QUOTE] You're forgetting how Derrick outwrestled him on G2. I don't know why people think he's up there with Derrick and Abram on this challenge. Brad NEVER steps up.

I think all of his Eliminations have either been pretty bad losses or stupid wins. I2: I never saw, but I guess his loss to Abram was pretty bad from what's being said G2: Outwrestled by Derrick Duel: Beat Easy in Pole Wrestle (his only good 1 on 1 IMO) Duel: Lost to CT but got the win on a technicality Duel 2: Climbed a pole faster than MJ Duel 2: Got manhandled by Landon but won (again I don't think it's a fair win, but w/e) Also remember how on the final for Duel 2 he had like a 15 minute lead on Evan and blew it. He tried to blame it on Rachel but I'm sure had he asked Rachel to dig she would've done it. Bleh. I liked Brad coming into this challenge, but I'm souring on him very quickly.

i think brad is someone who's a great role player and someone that you want on your team as second or third best. He's not really suited to lead a team and really struggles when he goes head to head against the best players of the game. I'm not saying that he's bad like dunbar and company, but he's just a tier away from the elite

[QUOTE=JL81790;220722]I think all of his Eliminations have either been pretty bad losses or stupid wins. I2: I never saw, but I guess his loss to Abram was pretty bad from what's being said G2: Outwrestled by Derrick Duel: Beat Easy in Pole Wrestle (his only good 1 on 1 IMO) Duel: Lost to CT but got the win on a technicality Duel 2: Climbed a pole faster than MJ Duel 2: Got manhandled by Landon but won (again I don't think it's a fair win, but w/e) Also remember how on the final for Duel 2 he had like a 15 minute lead on Evan and blew it. He tried to blame it on Rachel but I'm sure had he asked Rachel to dig she would've done it. Bleh. I liked Brad coming into this challenge, but I'm souring on him very quickly.[/QUOTE] I2: It's not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be, a very close one point victory. If it had gone to extra attempts, I still see Abram winning, but it wasn't a blow out. D2: Landon is my absolute favorite challenger ever, but Brad pulled off a very legit upset. He didn't look good doing it, but back off was more than just a brute force contest. But yeah on Cut Throat he's definitely looking to avoid elimination rounds, they're a **** shoot as even CT, Landon or Evan can lose em.

[QUOTE=JL81790;220722]I think all of his Eliminations have either been pretty bad losses or stupid wins. [B]I2: I never saw, but I guess his loss to Abram was pretty bad from what's being said[/B] G2: Outwrestled by Derrick Duel: Beat Easy in Pole Wrestle (his only good 1 on 1 IMO) Duel: Lost to CT but got the win on a technicality Duel 2: Climbed a pole faster than MJ Duel 2: Got manhandled by Landon but won (again I don't think it's a fair win, but w/e) Also remember how on the final for Duel 2 he had like a 15 minute lead on Evan and blew it. He tried to blame it on Rachel but I'm sure had he asked Rachel to dig she would've done it. Bleh. I liked Brad coming into this challenge, but I'm souring on him very quickly.[/QUOTE] I thought this was Brad's best elimination. It was very intense from what I remember. Other people have said before it's definitely one of their top elimination rounds, if I'm remembering correctly. It was a 3-2 finish on that one. I think he's doing the right thing this challenge mainly because most of the people to ever win this game in the recent years have had to play dirty. I just think it's harder for people to grasp because he always seemed like the good guy before.