Emily is big, but she also works out a lot and looks really strong and loves doing physical things. She was disappointed in herself when she couldn't perform like Jenn in the Surf's Up mission, because she knew she was capable of more, not because she was maxed out.
And Red keeps putting in Brandon and Camila, who might not be the best but are pretty good, while Blue and Gray do the smart thing and put in the people who are weak/liabilities.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;220276]Emily is big, but she also works out a lot and looks really strong and loves doing physical things. She was disappointed in herself when she couldn't perform like Jenn in the Surf's Up mission, because she knew she was capable of more, not because she was maxed out.
And Red keeps putting in Brandon and Camila, who might not be the best but are pretty good, while Blue and Gray do the smart thing and put in the people who are weak/liabilities.[/QUOTE]
The blue team was willing to keep putting in Katie and eric because they felt they were the weakest people on the team. The reason the red team put Brandon in was because they thought he was the weakest male on the team ( they stopped putting in camilla once she proved herself). The only difference between these two scenarios is that people such as your self disagree that Brandon is the weakest player but the strategy is exactly the same.
I was under the impression they stopped putting in Camila when she promised her she wouldn't go in. I still don't understand what Dunbar, Tyler, and Chet have done to prove themselves--ever. Tyler won ONE elimination against Johnny, none of them ever won a challenge, or got very far, or did anything to particularly prove themselves. What's the deal?
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;220276]
And Red keeps putting in Brandon and Camila, who might not be the best but are pretty good, while Blue and Gray do the smart thing and put in the people who are weak/liabilities.[/QUOTE]
I understand why the red team is doing what they are doing. I think it's a great strategy. I just don't think they're going about it in the best way possible.
The only problem is, Camila is (in my opinion at least) the weakest girl left. Brandon is up for debate as I don't think Dunbar has done anything too special this time around (or...ever). I think regardless of whether Camila had told Brad she had voted him in, she was going to be next anyway because they no longer had Melinda. I don't think Tori and Brad ever said "we're never going to vote you in again", they just said "we're going to give you a break". By doing so, they lost Melinda, who wasn't really a big loss anyway because a) it wasn't them, b) she was an outside member of their alliance, and c) based on past history, she probably wouldn't have done too amazing in a final either.
Brad is never going to vote for Tori and vice versa and I doubt, unless Paula started performing absolutely awful, he (or anyone else) would send her in over Camila. Brad and Paula have some sort of "we've never won before so we should stick together and try to make that happen" understanding as far as I can tell, and Dunbar and Tyler (who have also never won) are going along with it. Tyler said in the Confessional that Dunbar and Paula were so far up Brad and Tori's ***** that it was impossible to stage any sort of coup and turn the tables.
Their strategy was genius. All they needed was a solid four (Brad, Tori, Dunbar, Paula), plus two votes to gain the majority (Tyler, Melinda) until the numbers swung enough in their direction to where four would be enough and Tyler and Melinda would become collateral.
The one thing I don't like about this challenge is, for as "secret" of a vote as it is, no one has taken that opportunity to do something about it.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;220279]I was under the impression they stopped putting in Camila when she promised her she wouldn't go in. I still don't understand what Dunbar, Tyler, and Chet have done to prove themselves--ever. Tyler won ONE elimination against Johnny, none of them ever won a challenge, or got very far, or did anything to particularly prove themselves. What's the deal?[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for any of them, but I know that what Tyler does outside of these challenges puts him in a category that not many challengers are in, and that is something you would want to have on your side, especially for a final that requires strength and stamina (as these often do).
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;220279]I was under the impression they stopped putting in Camila when she promised her she wouldn't go in. I still don't understand what Dunbar, Tyler, and Chet have done to prove themselves--ever. Tyler won ONE elimination against Johnny, none of them ever won a challenge, or got very far, or did anything to particularly prove themselves. What's the deal?[/QUOTE]
I don't remember Dunbar going into a single face-off on The Island and he hasn't blown me away on Cut Throat yet either, so I agree. Chet went home first on the one other challenge he was on, I think, so he hasn't proven himself either. Tyler, as much as I dislike how he comes across, at least beat Johnny - not that he's a great competitor past the being loud part either. Red's clearly voting people they're not close to off the team, which is fine, but be honest about it. Brandon's stronger than Chet and Dunbar at least.
Now that Melinda is gone, I can see how Camila is seen as the weakest. But I still think it was dumb to send her in again when she was doing well over Melinda (last time). And honestly, I don't see Tori or Paula as being super great any more--neither of them really seem to be mentally in the game, at least in my opinion. Paula is playing far too defensively and Tori takes everything far too personally.
[QUOTE=molds13;220280]I understand why the red team is doing what they are doing. I think it's a great strategy. I just don't think they're going about it in the best way possible.
The only problem is, Camila is (in my opinion at least) the weakest girl left. Brandon is up for debate as I don't think Dunbar has done anything too special this time around (or...ever). I think regardless of whether Camila had told Brad she had voted him in, she was going to be next anyway because they no longer had Melinda. I don't think Tori and Brad ever said "we're never going to vote you in again", they just said "we're going to give you a break". By doing so, they lost Melinda, who wasn't really a big loss anyway because a) it wasn't them, b) she was an outside member of their alliance, and c) based on past history, she probably wouldn't have done too amazing in a final either.
Brad is never going to vote for Tori and vice versa and I doubt, unless Paula started performing absolutely awful, he (or anyone else) would send her in over Camila. Brad and Paula have some sort of "we've never won before so we should stick together and try to make that happen" understanding as far as I can tell, and Dunbar and Tyler (who have also never won) are going along with it. Tyler said in the Confessional that Dunbar and Paula were so far up Brad and Tori's ***** that it was impossible to stage any sort of coup and turn the tables.
Their strategy was genius. All they needed was a solid four (Brad, Tori, Dunbar, Paula), plus two votes to gain the majority (Tyler, Melinda) until the numbers swung enough in their direction to where four would be enough and Tyler and Melinda would become collateral.
[B]The one thing I don't like about this challenge is, for as "secret" of a vote as it is, no one has taken that opportunity to do something about it[/B].[/QUOTE]
That's a problem I'm having as well. The secret vote is essentially free reign to throw anyone you want under the bus, and not enough people are taking advantage of it. I also am not enjoying the fact that teams are having meetings before the vote when it's supposed to be SECRET! Ahhhh these people aggravate me.
If you organizing things before hand, you could say whatever you wanted at the meeting and then vote how you originally discussed. It just takes some guts--the blue team kind of did it with the Eric/Ty thing. The only problem is that secretly voting people in will, if they come back, destroy team unity and ultimately lead to a losing team.
[QUOTE=AJHill;220284]That's a problem I'm having as well. The secret vote is essentially free reign to throw anyone you want under the bus, and not enough people are taking advantage of it. I also am not enjoying the fact that teams are having meetings before the vote when it's supposed to be SECRET! Ahhhh these people aggravate me.[/QUOTE]
But at the same time, the meetings are a great way to gauge who's willing to vote for who and who's still up in the air. Then you can take the people that are wishy-washy and come up to them with an alternative plan.
You don't want to go up to Brad and say "Hey Brad, I'm thinking about blindsiding Tori. Would you be willing to do that?"
Or, if someone was so adamant about voting for another person (say, Laurel for Cara Maria), that person (Cara Maria) could turn the tables and be all "**** you Laurel, I'm going to screw you first" and round up votes to have people put Laurel in.
I like the meetings because it makes it more fair--if someone thinks you should go in, you at least have a chance to explain and defend yourself and say why you think someone else should. But I guess some people prefer deceit and backstabbing to fairness.
[QUOTE=mph922;220260]It's easy to say they wouldn't do it when Brandon is not on their team, but Blue was essentially already doing it. They sent in Katie three times and Eric twice. Granted Brandon is much better than both Katie and Eric but Blue Team wasn't playing the game much differently. [U][I]Not to mention they stated in this very episode that had Ty won, he would've kept going in until Derrick or Johnny had to, so yeah I don't think it's that much different[/I][/U].[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is easier said than done but you're comparing brandon chances to ERIC and KATIE??? Let's be real, they SUCK. As for the ty factor, they said POSSIBLY but as I mentioned before there's more than just johnny and derrick's vote and unlike brandon, ty was fighting everyone INCLUDING his own teammates.
[QUOTE=DerrickFTW;220263]YESS! Finally, the old Derrick is back! He kicked some major ***! I was so nervous for that Gulag, but he killed it.
For the rest of the episode:
- I feel kinda bad for Chet, although I don't really like him that much. He was just hoping for a free ride to the finish. He wouldn't have made it to the end anyway, I'm convinced of that. But poor way to leave a challenge
- About the mission: The Red Team... What is there to say honestly. I have never seen a team with such few athletic skills thinking they are the best out there and then screw up! I mean come on:
* [I][U]Brad is a great competitor. Earlier in this thread there was someone stating Brad sucked at elimination rounds. The biggest BS I've ever heard:P How many people can say they've beaten Landon 1 on 1?[/U][/I]
* Dunbar is just a pathetic athlete who hasn't shown ANYTHING on 4 challenges! But for some reason, maybe because he has some muscles, he thinks he is God's gift to the challenges. Ugh
* Tyler seems better now than in previous challenges but I still don't take him seriously. He doesn't have the competitiveness to beat a strong player
Alright, let's go on with the mission. Blue team did reasonably good(I didn't think it was as great as they thought, though) and there comes Abe who crushes Blue's hopes on winning the mission. Great job, Abe!
I don't think there is a need to say anything about the whole Camila vs. Team Red thing, because enough has been said and I think most people agree that Tori is acting stupid and so is Brad. Look at Tori's face when she's saying "She disgusts me" about Camila. PSYCHO ALERT!
The Gulags:
Melinda vs. Emily:
Emily kicks *** as I had expected. Great job. Nice girl btw
Brandon vs. Derrick
I think some of you expected an epic battle, but when I saw they were gonna do handcuffs, I knew Derrick had this in the bag. Must say Brandon put up a great fight though and I really hate to see him go home. He definately made the challenge athletically, and he's way better than most of the guys on the Red Team. But don't worry, he'll be back and kick some more ***:D[/QUOTE]
I'm over here laughing because I know you're talking about me but clearly you can't read because I didn't say brad suck I said he's overrated and you're valid proof of my statement. He beat landon with a cheap trick by swinging landon's ring and the only reason brad gotta point first was becuase TJ gave him one due to landon slamming him because he didn't know you could be physical like that. Brad NEVER came close to hooking his own hook on his own. Know what you're talking about before stating things like that. Like I said, brad doesn't stand out. He's overrated and overrated and sucking are TWO different things. So as I said before, can ANYONE prove to me that brad stands out and it doesn't even have to be an elimination round. You can give me a past mission...Respect everyone's opinion but don't reword me.
[QUOTE=molds13;220265]It's easy to say that when you're on the other team...
If it were the case (and the hypotheticals aren't going to get any of us anywhere), I don't think Johnny would ever vote Derrick over Brandon and he has too much pride to ever vote for himself. As much as Jenn has butted heads with Johnny and Derrick, she at least knows that they're capable of winning a challenge, something she has yet to do. Theresa's just boppin' around doing whatever everyone else does. Emily is just kind of going along with things too because she doesn't really have a choice.
[I][U][B]Brandon's major disadvantage is that this is a) only his second challenge and b) he has not competed in a final challenge so people don't know what he's capable of.[/B][/U][/I][/QUOTE]
I respect your opinion and always read your post because you make good points. I disagree with the girls and possible derrick but you do make points. I like johnny but yeah I don't see him throwing himself in. But I see the blue team working together and brandon got along with people so I can see them compromising. And yes, brandon got screwed but as TJ said 'he gained A LOT of experience' and now he's become a favorite amongst a lot of people. Did you see how many times derrick hugged and praised him??? I thought that was classy of him and I can't remember who said it but now I can see a little derrick in brandon with the whole elimination rounds experience. I hope he wins won before he reaches his fifth challenge. I'd hate to see him become another brad and paula doing so many challenges with no wins.
The problem is that the "secret vote" isn't secret at all. It gets shown (and I assume that they see the camera and know that it will). If you assume there are more challenges in the future, and that you will be on them, then you don't want to be the guy that's lying to people's faces and voting behind their back - unless there is some good money within grasp or something...
Also, people are talking and could deduce the number of votes, if need be. They need to hide both who voted for who, and the total number of votes and just say, "Sorry Brandon, you're going into the Gulag again," for this system to work correctly. Don't really see that happening though, because it leaves the viewer out and makes the whole process too shady.
The season is what, half over? Maybe there will be some good betrayal in the future episodes.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;220288]I like the meetings because it makes it more fair--if someone thinks you should go in, you at least have a chance to explain and defend yourself and say why you think someone else should. But I guess some people prefer deceit and backstabbing to fairness.[/QUOTE]
I agree. The secret voting was bound to cause problems and every team, but so far, I think it's only been the red team with Brandon and the blue team with Katie (sigh) and Easy. The grey team appears to be the only one, as far as I caught, to not be dishonest. Vinny knew he was going in. He didn't take it well, but he knew. Yet, they're viewed as the misfits.
Despite not enjoying watching Brad & Tori rule the red team and sliding by, I do hope they win this. It'd be as close as Mtv can get to a fairy tale.
As much as they're labeled "misfits," the gray team left works together really well--there isn't anyone who is at odds with the whole team. Probably the biggest issue is how Laurel, and to a lesser degree Sarah, perceives Cara Maria.
[QUOTE]Tyler won ONE elimination against Johnny, none of them ever won a challenge, or got very far, or did anything to particularly prove themselves. What's the deal?[/QUOTE]
I just don't think how you perform in eliminations is any indicator of how you'll do in a final unless you just truly suck all around. Someone like Tyler, who is extremely fit and athletically strong, is someone you'd want in your final team even if he isn't CT-strong or Alton-fast or Landon-agile, which can hurt him in an elimination.
Look at Aneesa. She's almost unbeatable in eliminations but I'd never want her on my final team, because she'd be a huge risk a la Big Easy in not being able to handle the endurance portion. If I was doing a Challenge, I'd be thinking of the final from Day 1 and try to end up with a final team that can finish strong. You need at least one or two who are physically strong and at least one or two who are good with puzzles, but you need everyone to be able to run, swim, and handle the endurance.
[QUOTE]Eh, I really don't know about that. Everyone says that they'd play it differently if it were them, but as soon as they're given the chance, they switch it up.
For example, if the blue team loses one more girl, do I really think that Jenn would choose herself to go into the Gulag? No way. She'd vote in Theresa or Emily over herself, regardless of if they've been kicking *** and taking names in missions and Gulags.
If Brandon were on the blue team, he would have been the fat over Derrick and Johnny. If Chet had come back, I can see the red team voting him in over Brandon to give Brandon a break. If Brandon were on the gray team, he [I]might[/I] have been given a break while they vote Luke in.
But at this point in the game, regardless of his performance thus far, Brandon is, unfortunately, considered the fat. [/QUOTE]
I get so annoyed and very amused when other people who would do the exact same thing in that position start putting in their two cents. Jenn will not put herself in the Gulag before Emily, just like Derrick and Johnny were not going in while they still had Ty.
Derrick did not set foot in a Ruins even though he was the main factor in the one loss they had. He and his alliance had other pawns they could throw in first, which was a great strategy for him and his main alliance as we saw the core alliance win it all. This is no different from what Red and Blue are trying to do now (up until Blue lost their pawns too soon). Gray is playing a different game, and good for them, but it doesn't make them better players or better people for it.
I'm one of the few who doesn't mind TJ, but I don't take anything he says seriously because he is thinking "winner" and "strong" in terms of the physical play and effort, and not taking any strategy into consideration at all. Also, I like Brandon, but nothing he did said he was the "strongest" member on the Red team. He took out Derek, JT, and Ty and froze up in the water.
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I'm over here laughing because I know you're talking about me but clearly you can't read because I didn't say brad suck I said he's overrated and you're valid proof of my statement. He beat landon with a cheap trick by swinging landon's ring and the only reason brad gotta point first was becuase TJ gave him one due to landon slamming him because he didn't know you could be physical like that. Brad NEVER came close to hooking his own hook on his own. Know what you're talking about before stating things like that. Like I said, brad doesn't stand out. He's overrated and overrated and sucking are TWO different things. So as I said before, can ANYONE prove to me that brad stands out and it doesn't even have to be an elimination round. You can give me a past mission...Respect everyone's opinion but don't reword me.
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Hey smartass, don't make yourself more important than you are. I was not responding to you I was responding to townie who posted 13 hours ago:
**** @ Brad and Tori acting like they're both entitled to be on a challenge and not get votes. Brad's been the "leader" of this team and just like on The Ruins... he is doing an abysmal job. Brandon's proven himself time and time again in the Gulag and both Dunbar and Tyler are physically bigger and stronger than Brad is. I would've voted for the lil twerp to go in too... it's not like he hasn't already been exposed as a physical weakling in elimination rounds numerous times in the past.
That's what townie posted and that was what I responded to. So please do your homework next time or don't say anything at all..
[QUOTE=DerrickFTW;220308]Hey smartass, don't make yourself more important than you are. I was not responding to you I was responding to townie who posted 13 hours ago:
**** @ Brad and Tori acting like they're both entitled to be on a challenge and not get votes. Brad's been the "leader" of this team and just like on The Ruins... he is doing an abysmal job. Brandon's proven himself time and time again in the Gulag and both Dunbar and Tyler are physically bigger and stronger than Brad is. I would've voted for the lil twerp to go in too... it's not like he hasn't already been exposed as a physical weakling in elimination rounds numerous times in the past.
That's what townie posted and that was what I responded to. So please do your homework next time or don't say anything at all..[/QUOTE]
See, kids? A perfect example of why everyone should use the QUOTE feature.
I know I should've probably quoted townie, but I read through this entire thread which was already 35 pages long and his post was around the 15th page. So when I finally read through the thread I started typing and I remembered his post about Brad, but didn't feel like quoting it. My bad.
Ugh! So excited for the next episode!
Does anyone remember the previews before the challenge started and you can hear a girl yelling that "he hit a girl"? I thought that was Shauvon's voice and I can totally see Ty hitting a girl but they are both gone....
[QUOTE=MissSassy;220330]Ugh! So excited for the next episode!
Does anyone remember the previews before the challenge started and you can hear a girl yelling that "he hit a girl"? I thought that was Shauvon's voice and I can totally see Ty hitting a girl but they are both gone....[/QUOTE]
It was Shauvon, and she was referring to Vinny.
[QUOTE=DerrickFTW;220308]Hey smartass, don't make yourself more important than you are. I was not responding to you I was responding to townie who posted 13 hours ago:
**** @ Brad and Tori acting like they're both entitled to be on a challenge and not get votes. Brad's been the "leader" of this team and just like on The Ruins... he is doing an abysmal job. Brandon's proven himself time and time again in the Gulag and both Dunbar and Tyler are physically bigger and stronger than Brad is. I would've voted for the lil twerp to go in too... it's not like he hasn't already been exposed as a physical weakling in elimination rounds numerous times in the past.
That's what townie posted and that was what I responded to. So please do your homework next time or don't say anything at all..[/QUOTE]
You said how many people can say they beat landon on a 1-on-1 and I mention that as well as of not to use that as evidence. Townie didn't mention that from the look of your repost so of course I assumed that was for me. But I will take partial blame if that wasn't for me. But then again..
[QUOTE=molds13;220310]See, kids? A perfect example of why everyone should use the QUOTE feature.[/QUOTE]
It's like molds said, use the quote feature, It's your bestie!
The Red team has lost both of their scape goats (Chet and Brandon) and now either Brad, Tyler,or Dumbar have got to go in . i'm kinda glad about that. Tori is like the biggest ****** on Cutthroat
[URL=http://talentnetworkinc.blogspot.com/search/label/MTV%20DERRICK]Derrick's podcast with Emily.[/URL] I never watched DC and she has had pretty limited air time on Cutthroat, but she's really cool.
Abram the leader of the grey team stepped up this challenge. Derrick the leader of the blue team stepped up this challenge. What about the supposed red team leader Brad?
[QUOTE=TDMEL52;220349]I wonder if brandon would have still gone into the gulag if chet was still there?[/QUOTE]
Yes. [I]Especially[/I] since they put him out there first, and I don't think that would have changed if Chet was there.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;220350]Yes. [I]Especially[/I] since they put him out there first, and I don't think that would have changed if Chet was there.[/QUOTE]
Tyler did say that Brandon told his team he set state records for shooting 3-pointers...
Tyler also said that Brandon stepped up and said he would do it when the episode blatantly shows Tyler volunteering him.
I still think it's funny how teams of 5 and 6 people spaced those rings better than a team of 8. Congrats Red Team...you're dumb.
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