The Challenge: Cut Throat - Episode 4 Discussion

[QUOTE=JL81790;217400]100% agree. I've always been a fan of Johnny but when I saw the teams I was leaning toward Red a little because I like Paula and Brad and wanted to see them finally get one. But seeing how bitter and desperate they seem I'm 100% back in Johnny/Derrick camp. But at the same time Dunbar has reasons (stupid reasons, but reasons) to dislike Johnny. Who even IS Chet? He's done one challenge which I don't even count since he was there for five minutes and he made a ladder out of some poles almost as fast as Wes did. I think had Cohutta gone into that ruins he would've taken out Wes then and there. I'm just so confused as to why Chet thinks he's the ****.[/QUOTE] Cause he wears bowties and purple v neck shirts. And let's not forget he has as little muscle as Wes does freckles. God I hate Wes... Wait we're talking about Chet.

[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;217398]Yup, add Dunbar to that list too. Apparently throwing Johnny over some hay was 2 years in the making. The entire red team is is obsessed with Johnny, and Camilla's the only one who's admitted to it. I don't know what it is about this challenge, but it's really made me a fan of Johnny Bananas. Maybe it's a house full of jilted also rans constantly blaming him for everything bad that's ever happened to them on a challenge, but he comes off looking like the rational one so far this season. [B]That or him teasing Shauvon's flagrant arm movements during her meltdown[/B].[/QUOTE] Hahah that was great. There was 2 funny "arm movements" that episode. The first was Johnny teasing Shavoun and the second was after Vinny lost to Easy. Everyone really dislikes Johnny. I never realized that. It's funny how he was a "good guy" on Inferno III. I like Tori and I think she is Uber hot this season... but she seems like a *****. I am getting kind of a Susie vibe from her. Still on the fence if I like her or not.

Its funny and very pathetic how brad and dumbar act and talk like they were the big dogs of challenges when Ct, Landon, Mark, Evan, Darrel or kenny aren't around

[QUOTE=alucard666;217420]Its funny and very pathetic how brad and dumbar act and talk like they were the big dogs of challenges when Ct, Landon, Mark, Evan, Darrel or kenny aren't around[/QUOTE] One of those names just seems out of place...hmm can someone help me out here?

[QUOTE=Morris1721;217423]One of those names just seems out of place...hmm can someone help me out here?[/QUOTE] Don't start that discussion for the 500000th time.

[QUOTE=Morris1721;217423]One of those names just seems out of place...hmm can someone help me out here?[/QUOTE] Lol is it Kenny? [QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;217416]Hahah that was great. There was 2 funny "arm movements" that episode. The first was Johnny teasing Shavoun and the second was after Vinny lost to Easy. [B]Everyone really dislikes Johnny[/B]. I never realized that. It's funny how he was a "good guy" on Inferno III. I like Tori and I think she is Uber hot this season... but she seems like a *****. I am getting kind of a Susie vibe from her. Still on the fence if I like her or not.[/QUOTE] It's funny, I always disliked Mr. Bananas but this season is making me like him. Idk why. And I agree with you on Tori. She's like a sweet vile of poison. I think she's the reason Brad is being all "Holier than Thou". Because of her, he's being all "I'm a married man, and I never won, fight the good fight, I deserve to win." And personally I think it was Tori who got the idea to throw Brandon every chance they got because she wanted Brad to be safe. Tori isn't as devilishly charming as Susie. I was kind of rooting for the Red team so Brad and Tori can win together but now I hope they lose together. And part of me wants to see Tori not make it to the final just to burst her holy bubble. (But as long as Camila and Melinda are still there, she basically has a free ticket.)

[QUOTE=Clarke;217427]Lol is it Kenny? [B]It's funny, I always disliked Mr. Bananas but this season is making me like him. Idk why.[/B]And I agree with you on Tori. She's like a sweet vile of poison. I think she's the reason Brad is being all "Holier than Thou". Because of her, he's being all "I'm a married man, and I never won, fight the good fight, I deserve to win." And personally I think it was Tori who got the idea to throw Brandon every chance they got because she wanted Brad to be safe. Tori isn't as devilishly charming as Susie. I was kind of rooting for the Red team so Brad and Tori can win together but now I hope they lose together. And part of me wants to see Tori not make it to the final just to burst her holy bubble. (But as long as Camila and Melinda are still there, she basically has a free ticket.)[/QUOTE] Yeah, same with me. Of course, we are just audience, Challengers know better who Johhny are for real.

Why is everybody jumping on the Banana Bandwagon? Is it because challengers are finally voicing a dislike for him? Or because he doesn't have his big dogs to back him up so he's being less of a bully/jerk? I do find him less of a jerk this time around, but I still dislike him.

I think it's because he's getting a lot of **** from everyone, and IMO, pretty unfairly. 1) Johnny and Camila alliance would mean nothing in this type of game. Brad is being dumb and paranoid over something that within the rules of the game wouldn't benefit two people. Camila may be new to the game, but she realizes that she's the lowest on the totem pole so throwing challenges would be dumb. It would be ESPECIALLY dumb now that the grey team has been whittled down to its tougher girls and she doesn't have the Shauvon/Ayiiiiiiiia buffer. 2) Johnny never screwed Dunbar, Paula and DEFINITELY not Brad out of money. In the Paula case Kenny and Derrick both confirmed there was no deal, and made a good point that Johanna and Colie never ******* about it which they would have if there was an issue. Dunbar it came down to a case of Johnny or Dunbar and I dare anyone to say that they would've just stepped aside and let Dunbar (a rookie) take the money. And for Brad, Brad screwed Johnny out of money on Gauntlet when he and CT were most vocal about throwing Johnny in. Imagine that had gone differently? If Evan beats Easy in sliders that team not only wins the final, but probably before the rookies make it to the first checkpoint (exaggeration). Brad was also whispering in Evan's ear about Johnny on the Ruins. Johnny is a *******. He says things he shouldn't say at the most inappropriate moment but a lot of the things he's being called out for on this show are pretty undeserved.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;217434]Why is everybody jumping on the Banana Bandwagon? Is it because challengers are finally voicing a dislike for him? Or because he doesn't have his big dogs to back him up so he's being less of a bully/jerk? I do find him less of a jerk this time around, but I still dislike him.[/QUOTE] Bahahahaha at Banana Bandwagon. I will gladly not join that ride because Johnny just thinks he's the ****, and just wants to be the center of the universe. I would love more than anything for someone to kick his *** in a Gulag.

I never disliked Johnny. He's an *** and says inappropriate things, which he admits, but I think he is somewhat funny. I can understand why people dislike him, but I never minded him.

The thing that bothers me about John is that not only is he disrespectful is that he (along with Evan and Kenny) Don't make for good TV and is as unlikable as they come. I mean yeah he isn't as much of an ******* this challenge but that means nothing in my eyes. He's not fun, entertaining or original. He just sucks all around. Although I will say that I dislike him a little less than Evan and Kenny and that's because John actually appeared on The Real World making him a legit alumni.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;217434]Why is everybody jumping on the Banana Bandwagon? Is it because challengers are finally voicing a dislike for him? Or because he doesn't have his big dogs to back him up so he's being less of a bully/jerk? I do find him less of a jerk this time around, but I still dislike him.[/QUOTE] I'm definitely not jumping on that bandwagon. I agree, he seems a little less ********* but that doesn't automatically change my opinion of everything from the past. It's the same thing as me liking Derrick, if he one challenge decided not to compete to his fullest, I'd be upset, but it's not gonna make me hate him on further challenges. [QUOTE=Debut Album;217464]The thing that bothers me about John is that not only is he disrespectful is that he (along with Evan and Kenny) Don't make for good TV and is as unlikable as they come. I mean yeah he isn't as much of an ******* this challenge but that means nothing in my eyes. [B]He's not fun, entertaining or original. He just sucks all around. Although I will say that I dislike him a little less than Evan and Kenny and that's because John actually appeared on The Real World making him a legit alumni.[/B][/QUOTE] Bam! Hit the nail on the head.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;217434]Why is everybody jumping on the Banana Bandwagon? Is it because challengers are finally voicing a dislike for him? Or because he doesn't have his big dogs to back him up so he's being less of a bully/jerk? I do find him less of a jerk this time around, but I still dislike him.[/QUOTE] I've only disliked Johnny on two occasions otherwise I've been a huge fan of his. On the Island, I couldn't stand him or Kenny for the way they were berating Evelyn, but there's a lot of factors that played into that and the sub standard living conditions and food rations played a humongous part I assume. It's one of the stipulations they should definitely change if they repeat the Island format. Imagine a starving CT on the Island, and the chaos that would ensue. By no means is that a complete explanation for his behavior, but I think it played a huge role in that scenario. The only other time I didn't like him was his unfounded grudge against Susie. Nothing about it made sense. Johnny's put his alliance and deals ahead of friendships in the past, I didn't understand his reasoning for being mad at Susie for respecting her alliance with Cara during the Inferno 3, and then being weary of trusting her on the Ruins. Aside from those two story lines I've found him pretty funny must of the time.

I don't really see how an alliance with someone who is not on your team would benefit ANYONE in this game, to be honest, including Camila and Johnny. It's your team that votes you in, not the other team. the other team has no say in what happens to you.

[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;217494]I've only disliked Johnny on two occasions otherwise I've been a huge fan of his. On the Island, I couldn't stand him or Kenny for the way they were berating Evelyn, but there's a lot of factors that played into that and the sub standard living conditions and food rations played a humongous part I assume. It's one of the stipulations they should definitely change if they repeat the Island format. Imagine a starving CT on the Island, and the chaos that would ensue. By no means is that a complete explanation for his behavior, but I think it played a huge role in that scenario. The only other time I didn't like him was his unfounded grudge against Susie. Nothing about it made sense. [B]Johnny's put his alliance and deals ahead of friendships in the past, I didn't understand his reasoning for being mad at Susie for respecting her alliance with Cara during the Inferno 3[/B], and then being weary of trusting her on the Ruins. Aside from those two story lines I've found him pretty funny must of the time.[/QUOTE] I think that the difference between susie and Johnny, is that he never screwed over his entire team, like Susie did on I3. Duel- Johnny gets screwed. I3- Never threw a mission, Susie screws the team. G3- Was screwed over by CT, Brad, and Evan, before the men sabotaged the women. Island- no teams. Ruins- Did his best, won a Ruins. Ya know what I mean?

[QUOTE]2) Johnny never screwed Dunbar, Paula and DEFINITELY not Brad out of money. In the Paula case Kenny and Derrick both confirmed there was no deal, and made a good point that Johanna and Colie never ******* about it which they would have if there was an issue. Dunbar it came down to a case of Johnny or Dunbar and I dare anyone to say that they would've just stepped aside and let Dunbar (a rookie) take the money. And for Brad, Brad screwed Johnny out of money on Gauntlet when he and CT were most vocal about throwing Johnny in. Imagine that had gone differently? If Evan beats Easy in sliders that team not only wins the final, but probably before the rookies make it to the first checkpoint (exaggeration). Brad was also whispering in Evan's ear about Johnny on the Ruins.[/QUOTE] Man (or woman) plans, MTV laughs.

[QUOTE=Blamo;217326]I don't necessarily buy Derrick's nice guy routine. He's always seemed like the "good cop" in the JEKD "good cop/bad cop" dynamic. I suspect Johnny and Derrick engineered the tie deliberately, for the same reason Brad encouraged Brandon to believe that things would get better for him. They wanted to prevent the bottom rung guys from getting discouraged so they could use them for a few more rounds. The Dailies show Derrick agreeing whole-heartedly with Johnny that Eric needs to go, and that proving himself in mini-challenges doesn't change anything because Eric did well in the mini-challenges on G3 as well. It just doesn't seem very plausible to me that they went into the voting without determining what the outcome would be in advance and just left it to chance, or that Derrick and John didn't each know how the other was voting. [/QUOTE] I was close. The tie was an accident caused by a miscommunication with Jenn before casting their votes, rather than being engineered to manipulate Eric. Derrick essentially admitted during his podcast that his vote for Ty was just to preserve his "nice guy" image, and that he would have never voted that way if he knew Jenn was also going to vote for Ty. His intention was for Eric to go in all along. [quote] I went into the deliberation room, and I was like [I]I don't know who doesn't have their facts straight[/I], which ended up being Jenn...because [B]I wanted to stay playing the nice guy.[/B] I didn't want to go after Eric. I didn't want to play that game. So when push came to shove and it was a tie, and I thought that Jenn was just going to pull the trigger, and I didn't have to look like the bad guy - [B]you know my game[/B]...and you know, Luke could very well pick me here, so I'm going to stop playing this game. I'm actually going to [I]start[/I] playing this game, I'm done ******* around. - Derrick Kosinski [/quote]

**** no more Ayiiia. This stinks. Well to a certain extent. And its funny how Eric one last week but this week goes home.

[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;217494] The only other time I didn't like him was his unfounded grudge against Susie. Nothing about it made sense. Johnny's put his alliance and deals ahead of friendships in the past, I didn't understand his reasoning for being mad at Susie for respecting her alliance with Cara during the Inferno 3, and then being weary of trusting her on the Ruins. Aside from those two story lines I've found him pretty funny must of the time.[/QUOTE] He's put deals and alliances ahead of friendships, but he never screwed over his team or purposely under-performed the way Susie did. If I was in her position I would have been wary of her too...in fact, I was a little surprised that he went along with the plan to throw in Evelyn, who he won with, over Susie, the girl who was half the alliance that cost him I3.

I agree with moonpaw. Paula and Johnny were cool on the challenges before the whole Johnny/Evan/Kenny alliance, and now Paula doesn't want him "messing with her money." Smh.

[QUOTE=Klounsnax2.0;217501]I think that the difference between susie and Johnny, is that he never screwed over his entire team, like Susie did on I3. Duel- Johnny gets screwed. I3- Never threw a mission, Susie screws the team. G3- Was screwed over by CT, Brad, and Evan, before the men sabotaged the women. Island- no teams. Ruins- Did his best, won a Ruins. Ya know what I mean?[/QUOTE] Lol your choice of description words are so one sided. I saw it like this. Duel- Johnny lost in the duel I3- Johnny tries to screw over Susie, Susie has no other choice than to screw over her team. G3. He was screwed. Big time. Island- Screwed everyone Ruins- screwed everyone I would be scared if I was an enemy, **** even a friend of Johnny.

How did he try and screw over Susie on I3? He was ****** when he saw what Cara/Susie were doing, he tried to screw Susie over on the Ruins.

[QUOTE=Entropy;217714]How did he try and screw over Susie on I3? He was ****** when he saw what Cara/Susie were doing, he tried to screw Susie over on the Ruins.[/QUOTE] He tried to get Susie into the inferno.. Maybe I'm wrong lol.