[QUOTE=Morris1721;216675]Well, on the bright side of the red team winning, it means Brad and Tori probably won't be back soon, and maybe the same for Dunbar and Tyler. It also means Jenn still has to win so she'll be back again, hopefully bringing Pete along with her:yes:[/QUOTE]
Dunbar will be on every challenge until the end of time if he has a say in it. He has no chance at any scandal free career after starring in what is essentially hardcore ****. His career is basically reality TV at this point.
[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;216698]Dunbar will be on every challenge until the end of time if he has a say in it. He has no chance at any scandal free career after starring in what is essentially hardcore ****. His career is basically reality TV at this point.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if there is that much of a stigma to that these days, especially for guys, or at least more so than just being a reality star. He would likely never get a job working with little kids, but other than that he should be fine.
[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;216724]I don't know if there is that much of a stigma to that these days, especially for guys, or at least more so than just being a reality star. [B] He would likely never get a job working with little kids, but other than that he should be[/B] fine.[/QUOTE]
**** the way we are as a society I wouldn't even go as far as to say that.
Its not like he's a pedophile..he did a **** film, why do people consider that so evil? At least he was smarter than Paris,Kim Kardasiahn and the others in that he got paid up front!
[QUOTE=Entropy;216752]Its not like he's a pedophile..he did a **** film, why do people consider that so evil? At least he was smarter than Paris,Kim Kardasiahn and the others in that he got paid up front![/QUOTE]
It's gross because he sold his dignity for 2,500 but continues to talk down on other people. You have to be desperate to do that ****.. It's not evil.. It's just immoral. Paris and Kim got paid more than 2,500.. He will forever be seen as the dude who did some yucky show for less than what he makes doing a 'challenge' as a 'vet.'
[QUOTE=Entropy;216756]Im not saying its not immoral, or gross, but to say he wont be allowed to work with kids cause he did a ****? Thats just whack.[/QUOTE]
If I knew someone did pornography with a couple of strangers... with no condom, that involved a "I have to go wash my mouth out, because he busted in my mouth" I wouldn't want him to have anything to do with my kids either.
After that tidbit..I'm glad I haven't seen that movie. But still I think its a stretch from **** star to pedophile, ********* do it for the money or whatever..pedophiles do it cause they are sick.
Hahahah Emilee you just made my day. But what you said made me wonder, was it really that beneficial for him to do such a thing? Especially for $2500...I mean c'mon, just stick with the challenges.
[QUOTE]Brad was also a favourite but I don't like the way he acts now with the whole sending Brandon in everytime...[/QUOTE]I've seen this comment made about Brad and the Red team in general many times here. And I'm not quite understanding the hate. I guess these same people also hate Jenn and Derrick, because they vote in Katie and Emily more than once and Jenn doesn't ever go into the gulag? I mean, it looks as if Jenn and Derrick played the same "dirty" game as Johnny and the Red team. Derrick only threw his vote to Eric and Katie because he knew it wouldn't matter and they were going in regardless.
1) The game is set up in a specific way. The only way to GUARANTEE yourself in the final is to avoid the gulag. In order to do that, you need to throw in someone other than yourself.
2) In order to successfully carry out a plan that involves you not going into the gulag, you need an alliance.
3) As an alliance, you have to stick together to carry out your plan.
It's no different than Survivor. You vote for someone else, and that someone else has to not be in your alliance until it becomes necessary. It's a very simple and effective strategy. Personally I'd feel ****** about sending Brandon in every time, but I'd still do it. It's not personal nor complicated, he was just dealt a bad hand and got stuck on a team that had stronger previous ties.
And if anyone needs a reminder, Brandon was more than willing to keep sending Kenny & Laurel in EVERY time during FM2, because he was in the other alliance that planned to send them in every time. How is this any different?
It's the same old song, the evil or shady alliance is the one you're not a part of. The only way to win the way the Challenge is now set up is: be lucky/smart enough to be part of an alliance that is strong, be lucky/crafty enough to avoid being screwed over by your alliance, and/or be lucky/strong enough to save your *** and see another day of you get thrown in for elimination. And good for the Red team for successfully carrying it out if they did did indeed win.
I'm also not sure what Paula was blathering about in the After Show about having a married couple on her team making things more difficult? It looks as if, out of everyone, Paula had more ties within her alliance than anyone. And Tori goes into gulag before she does, so what is her beef? I figured Brad never goes in because he seems to be the strongest player on his team, and so would be an asset in the final, and has been in three finals where he finished strong, if not first, and so would be an asset with his experience. I couldn't see Dunbar voting him in over Tyler, out of strategy alone. I don't see where being married helped Brad and Tori any more than say any other two people who were in a tight alliance. They're only two people. If anything, being vets with strong ties to other castmembers gave them more of an advantage than being a "couple".
[QUOTE=Matty;216783]I've seen this comment made about Brad and the Red team in general many times here. And I'm not quite understanding the hate. I guess these same people also hate Jenn and Derrick, because they vote in Katie and Emily more than once and Jenn doesn't ever go into the gulag?"[/QUOTE]
I don't fault teams for sending in the same person over and over again...IF they are the weakest. I like Katie, but she IS the weakest girl on their team. I don't think Brandon is the weakest guy on the Red team. After his first time winning the gulag, I think they should have put in Chet. Even after Camila's second time in the gulag, they decide to send in Melinda instead. Brad's comments make it clear that they never intended on sending anyone in other than Brandon for the guys.
I don't understand you comparing this to Derrick...you know he goes into the gulag twice, right?
Hey guys - I didn't read this thread because I don't reeeeally want to be spoiled too much - but can someone tell me why CT and Tina get added to the game? Does someone get hurt? a fight?
[QUOTE=RockSteadyVybes;216787]Hey guys - I didn't read this thread because I don't reeeeally want to be spoiled too much - but can someone tell me why CT and Tina get added to the game? Does someone get hurt? a fight?[/QUOTE]
They come in for one episode and are part of a gulag. Members of the losing teams sent into the gulag have to face them rather than each other.
[QUOTE=wwwwhat;216788]They come in for one episode and are part of a gulag. Members of the losing teams sent into the gulag have to face them rather than each other.[/QUOTE]
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT. What a twist! I like!
[QUOTE=emilee;216757]If I knew someone did pornography with a couple of strangers... with no condom, that involved a "I have to go wash my mouth out, because he busted in my mouth" I wouldn't want him to have anything to do with my kids either.[/QUOTE]
This would probably be a bad time to mention the childrens' book he's planning on writing. :mda:
[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;216724]I don't know if there is that much of a stigma to that these days, especially for guys, or at least more so than just being a reality star. He would likely never get a job working with little kids, but other than that he should be fine.[/QUOTE]
All I have are personal anecdotes to back up my opinions on this matter. Having signed a contract with my employer where one of the points allows them to terminate me over conduct that could be considered embarrassing/disgraceful even outside of the office was something I had to sign.
I've had a few friends, terminated from their jobs over things as innocent as something they posted on facebook.
Although all my experiences take place in Canada, I feel it's safe to assume things like 'family values' and 'an upstanding moral public image' are even more important to employers in the US, which I think would make it very hard for somebody who appeared in an on screen three way to find work in a high level corporate setting.
I've heard former challengers (Landon and Jillian off the top of my head) muse about the way other cast members behave and say similar things, that they're putting their personal and professional life in jeopardy by putting all their skeletons out there for the world to see.
In Dunbar's case, I think he considers himself a writer, and probably doesn't have any aspirations to do anything other than work in entertainment, which means it might not be that damaging to him personally, but that's also why I think we'll be seeing him doing challenges for as long as they ask him. Unless he writes something that's successful.
[QUOTE=Matty;216783]I've seen this comment made about Brad and the Red team in general many times here. And I'm not quite understanding the hate. I guess these same people also hate Jenn and Derrick, because they vote in Katie and Emily more than once and Jenn doesn't ever go into the gulag? I mean, it looks as if Jenn and Derrick played the same "dirty" game as Johnny and the Red team. Derrick only threw his vote to Eric and Katie because he knew it wouldn't matter and they were going in regardless.[/QUOTE]
Good post. I've tried to defend the game Brad is playing on Cut Throat a few times at this point but always chose not to since it would take a long time. To me, I feel as though Brad is just playing the game he signed up for (his famous line in the Duel 2) If he made an agreement with Dunbar, Tyler, Paula, Chet, Tori, and Melinda at the start of this challenge, then good on him for sticking by those people and not throwing any of them under the bus. I think people forget that Brad was in Brandon's shoes on Battle of the Sexes 2 and performing excellently was not enough to keep him in the game as when it came down to the final 5, there were 4 friends that chose to cut him loose even though at the time he was probably deserving of being in the final 3. Not to say that two wrongs make a right or anything, but if you're going to vilify Brad, you need to vilify everyone as well.
[QUOTE]I don't fault teams for sending in the same person over and over again...IF they are the weakest. I like Katie, but she IS the weakest girl on their team. I don't think Brandon is the weakest guy on the Red team. After his first time winning the gulag, I think they should have put in Chet. Even after Camila's second time in the gulag, they decide to send in Melinda instead. Brad's comments make it clear that they never intended on sending anyone in other than Brandon for the guys.
I don't understand you comparing this to Derrick...you know he goes into the gulag twice, right?[/QUOTE]I don't see how Derrick going into the gulag twice doesn't support my post. He goes in because he has to. It's either him or Johnny, who is in his alliance. But they threw in everyone else who was not in their alliance FIRST, regardless of performance. Rest assured had Ty won his gulag, he would've gone right back in, because he's not in the alliance. Look at Jenn. She doesn't go in at all. She has Emily as her buffer. They, including Derrick, throw her in twice, because she's not part of the Derrick/Johnny/Jenn alliance. And they would've kept throwing her in ala Brandon if it kept Jenn safe.
Why would Brad intend to throw anyone but Brandon in? Are you saying he should go back on his word with his alliance? That would be a very stupid move on his part. Not only does Brad keep his alliance safe by sending in Brandon, which increases his chances of making the final, Brandon has a good chance of winning to see the gulag again another day, furthering Brad's chances of not seeing the gulag and being in the final. Cutthroat? Very. Hence, the name of the challenge. When Brandon gets ****** off thinking about this, he needs to remember again-- Kenny & Laurel, Kenny & Laurel, Kenny & Laurel...
Red will not throw Melinda in before their buffer of Camilla loses. Melinda is part of the alliance and did not go into the Challenge as much a glaring liability as Shauvon, Katie, or Eric were going into Cutthroat. She sucked the last few challenges, but unless she screws up big-time they will keep her out of the gulag until Camilla loses.
I don't see why anyone feels the need to defend Brad. Based on my observations he is already considered a "good guy" by the general public especially in comparison to the Johnny, Kenny, Evan, etc. despite the fact that he's just as big of a **** as any of them. He already receives enough love as it is. My problem with him is the fact that he plays his image up like a Saint in front of the cameras. At least you know what you're getting when you have JEK.
Brandon has every right to get ****** off if he is being thrown in over and over again though he has maintained his class thus far despite having Brad lie to him in his FACE. Bringing up his past challenge decisions doesn't hold much seeing as though he was a FM who had no say whatsoever unlike Brad who is probably the mastermind of this entire thing. Furthermore, why does he need to remember Kenny Laurel Kenny Laurel Kenny Laurel three times? I may be mistaken but Kenny and Lauren went in once. Brandon is getting screwed over and treated like ****. Period, there is no justification for it. Bringing up his horribly shady, backstabbing, unethical, manipulative politics in FM2 doesn't take away from the fact that Red team(Brad) is still scummy.
Ugh, the idea of Red Team winning is nauseating. Hopefully once that happens Brad will go out and finally get a real job and raise his kid on the dirty money he snatched from Brandon.
[QUOTE]Furthermore, why does he need to remember Kenny Laurel Kenny Laurel Kenny Laurel three times? I may be mistaken but Kenny and Lauren went in once. Brandon is getting screwed over and treated like ****. Period, there is no justification for it. Bringing up his horribly shady, backstabbing, unethical, manipulative politics in FM2 doesn't take away from the fact that Red team(Brad) is still scummy.[/QUOTE] I only repeated Kenny & Laurel three times for effect. You somehow turned that into me saying Kenny & Laurel went in three times.
Kenny & Laurel only went in once because they kept winning after that one time and so could not be voted in. And then the alliance Brandon was in blew up and had to throw each other in. This is the only reason why Brandon did not continue to do to them what is now being done to him.
Brandon is not being treated like ****. Now Shauvon was treated like **** by Sarah, yes. Eric was treated like **** by Laurel. Brandon is getting a raw deal as an outsider to an alliance, but I've seen nothing about him being treated like ****.
And Brandon's own actions in FM2 weren't shady, backstabbing, or unethical. He was part of an alliance and was playing a GAME. And now as part of the game he is playing now, he has found himself on the wrong end of an alliance. I like Brandon, but seriously, this game is called Cutthroat. Brad is not scummy. JEDK are not scummy for playing smart and winning, although they can be scummy when they act like *******s for nothing that has to do with the actual game itself.
[QUOTE]I don't see why anyone feels the need to defend Brad.[/QUOTE]I will defend Brad, and Evan, and Kenny, and Johnny, and Derrick, and anyone else who has won this game or any other challenge playing smart as well as hard. If they are not breaking any rules, they're not playing scummy or unethical. It's not their problem if people choose to play differently. And good for them too, if that's their choice. Just stop with the boo-hoo bull**** if you choose to play/not play a certain way and lose. Maybe if Brad went up to Brandon and kicked him in the nuts or told him that his mother died right before he went into a gulag, I could call that unethical.
[QUOTE]Hopefully once that happens Brad will go out and finally get a real job and raise his kid on the dirty money he ******ed from Brandon. [/QUOTE]Are people serious about this? LOL I certainly hope that when Brad and Tori's kids grow up they don't go around knocking over little old ladies on canes and stealing their purses, bringing home dirty money to Mom and Dad. Brad and Tori are doing fine financially. They don't do these shows because they're hurting that badly for money.
Also, how did he ****** the money from Brandon? Brandon being in the final didn't guarantee they still would've won. Who's not to say that, if Red did win, it was because the four who made it to the final -- Brad, Tori, Tyler, and Dunbar -- were the perfect combination for that final? I have no idea, but saying that Brad ******ed money from Brandon is a bit of hysteria. Actually I find a lot of the comments about UNETHICAL and IMMORAL and DIRTY to be sad and funny. It's a friggen gameshow. Even when castmembers I like say it I cringe, because it is such bull****.
You can argue with people all day long on the subject. At the end of the day, it's just a show and people will have their own personal opinions that they're entitled to. Your long novel-like posts aren't going to change that. You shouldn't take what people say so seriously haha.
Now on to tonight. I'm really excited to see what the gulag will be. Watching Katie lose to Camila will be kinda painful, but I'm looking forward to seeing Luke win.
[QUOTE=Matty;216821]I only repeated Kenny & Laurel three times for effect. You somehow turned that into me saying Kenny & Laurel went in three times.
Kenny & Laurel only went in once because they kept winning after that one time and so could not be voted in. And then the alliance Brandon was in blew up and had to throw each other in. This is the only reason why Brandon did not continue to do to them what is now being done to him.
Brandon is not being treated like ****. Now Shauvon was treated like **** by Sarah, yes. Eric was treated like **** by Laurel. Brandon is getting a raw deal as an outsider to an alliance, but I've seen nothing about him being treated like ****.
And Brandon's own actions in FM2 weren't shady, backstabbing, or unethical. He was part of an alliance and was playing a GAME. And now as part of the game he is playing now, he has found himself on the wrong end of an alliance. I like Brandon, but seriously, this game is called Cutthroat. Brad is not scummy. JEDK are not scummy for playing smart and winning, although they can be scummy when they act like *******s for nothing that has to do with the actual game itself.
I will defend Brad, and Evan, and Kenny, and Johnny, and Derrick, and anyone else who has won this game or any other challenge playing smart as well as hard. If they are not breaking any rules, they're not playing scummy or unethical. It's not their problem if people choose to play differently. And good for them too, if that's their choice. Just stop with the boo-hoo bull**** if you choose to play/not play a certain way and lose. Maybe if Brad went up to Brandon and kicked him in the nuts or told him that his mother died right before he went into a gulag, I could call that unethical.
Are people serious about this? LOL I certainly hope that when Brad and Tori's kids grow up they don't go around knocking over little old ladies on canes and stealing their purses, bringing home dirty money to Mom and Dad. Brad and Tori are doing fine financially. They don't do these shows because they're hurting that badly for money.
Also, how did he ****** the money from Brandon? Brandon being in the final didn't guarantee they still would've won. Who's not to say that, if Red did win, it was because the four who made it to the final -- Brad, Tori, Tyler, and Dunbar -- were the perfect combination for that final? I have no idea, but saying that Brad ******ed money from Brandon is a bit of hysteria. Actually I find a lot of the comments about UNETHICAL and IMMORAL and DIRTY to be sad and funny. It's a friggen gameshow. Even when castmembers I like say it I cringe, because it is such bull****.[/QUOTE]
Your whole post is a bunch of whiny gibberish. You missed the point despite waffling on and on for about an hour. The point is, Brad tries to play up his ethics and that's what's most irritating. He thinks he's better than someone like Johnny when he's not. Brandon IS being treated like ****. Getting told a bold faced lie about how the game is going to be played fairly is being treated like ****.
I was obviously being sarcastic when I said Brandon played a shady, manipulative, deceitful, awful game on FM2 but that flew right over your head. I was making light of your comment and attempts to deflect Brad's lame game by focusing on Brandon's merciless plans to send in Kenny and Laurel continuously in FM2.
Brad has enough supporters, he doesn't need you to kiss up for him.
Anyways, if you're going to write another essay, you should take it to the generic or Brad Fiorenza thread because you are going off topic.
[QUOTE=v123;216829][B]Your whole post is a bunch of whiny gibberish.[/B][B] You [/B][B]missed the point despite waffling on and on for about an hour.[/B] The point is, Brad tries to play up his ethics and that's what's most irritating. He thinks he's better than someone like Johnny when he's not. Brandon IS being treated like ****. Getting told a bold faced lie about how the game is going to be played fairly is being treated like ****.
I was obviously being sarcastic when I said Brandon played a shady, manipulative, deceitful, awful game on FM2 but that flew right over your head. I was making light of your comment and attempts to deflect Brad's lame game by focusing on Brandon's merciless plans to send in Kenny and Laurel continuously in FM2.
Brad has enough supporters, he doesn't need you to kiss up for him.
[B]Anyways, if you're going to write another essay,[/B] you should take it to the generic or Brad Fiorenza thread because you are going off topic.[/QUOTE]
ROFL !!! There's some funny stuff on Vevmo today !!
[QUOTE=Matty;216813]I don't see how Derrick going into the gulag twice doesn't support my post. He goes in because he has to. It's either him or Johnny, who is in his alliance. But they threw in everyone else who was not in their alliance FIRST, regardless of performance. [B]Rest assured had Ty won his gulag, he would've gone right back in, because he's not in the alliance. Look at Jenn. She doesn't go in at all. She has Emily as her buffer. They, including Derrick, throw her in twice, because she's not part of the Derrick/Johnny/Jenn alliance.[/B] And they would've kept throwing her in ala Brandon if it kept Jenn safe.
Why would Brad intend to throw anyone but Brandon in? Are you saying he should go back on his word with his alliance? That would be a very stupid move on his part. Not only does Brad keep his alliance safe by sending in Brandon, which increases his chances of making the final, Brandon has a good chance of winning to see the gulag again another day, furthering Brad's chances of not seeing the gulag and being in the final. Cutthroat? Very. Hence, the name of the challenge. When Brandon gets ****** off thinking about this, he needs to remember again-- Kenny & Laurel, Kenny & Laurel, Kenny & Laurel...
Red will not throw Melinda in before their buffer of Camilla loses. Melinda is part of the alliance and did not go into the Challenge as much a glaring liability as Shauvon, Katie, or Eric were going into Cutthroat. She sucked the last few challenges, but unless she screws up big-time they will keep her out of the gulag until Camilla loses.[/QUOTE]
You can never really say you're sure Ty would've gone back in. Maybe the guys would've came up with a way to have them rotate, you never know. And Jenn's the best player on the team with the most experience, I'm not surprised she doesn't go in. That's generally the same with Brad, but it's a different feeling with Brad because just the way he acts makes it seem like he's never gonna go in and everybody needs to bow down to him. I don't get that from Jenn or Derrick.
The whole point as to why people are upset with Brad is because Brandon's proving himself as a good player who deserves to be there while everybody sits back and keeps making him do that, including Brad.
[QUOTE=wwwwhat;216828]
Now on to tonight. I'm really excited to see what the gulag will be. Watching Katie lose to Camila will be kinda painful, but I'm looking forward to seeing Luke win.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually excited to see this elimination round...from what I've heard, it's very fitting.
This discussion is getting a little too passionate. If the comments continue being condescending, the thread is getting closed.
There's also been a recent trend of backseat modding lately. I would suggest not pointing out off-topicness or telling people where to post. Leave that to the moderators; that's [B]their [/B]job, not yours.
[QUOTE=molds13;216857]I'm actually excited to see this elimination round...from what I've heard, it's very fitting.[/QUOTE]
That's interesting to hear, hopefully it's entertaining. Katie vs. Ayiiia should be alright, but Eric vs. Luke will definitely be good.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;216867]That's interesting to hear, hopefully it's entertaining. Katie vs. Ayiiia should be alright, but Eric vs. Luke will definitely be good.[/QUOTE]
Definitely think you will enjoy Katie vs Ayiiia more.
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