Kind of a boring mission. I couldn't tell who was who most of the time. I think eventually Team Red will see that Chet & Dunbar are weaker & more deserving to go into the Gulag soon. I still hate Laurel. She's like puke to me.
[QUOTE=Gucci Mane;213868]My thoughts:
2. After watching the preview for next week, I am in complete disgust. Laurel is really a nasty human being, drunk or not. I know that she feels bitter still because of the way the FM girls treated her last season, but why not gang up on Theresa too? I think she just knows Mandi is an easy target, and noone on the red team really likes Mandi anyway, so Laurel didn't have to worry about anyone sticking up for her.
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Laurel actually took up for Theresa on the first little web show on MTV (I think they called the show confessionals or something). That one was about her going off on Camila, and Laurel said Theresa is a good person. And someone on TWoP said Theresa apologized to Laurel about FM2, so I guess that's why she doesn't dislike her.
[QUOTE=dylan76;213870]Kind of a boring mission. I couldn't tell who was who most of the time. I think eventually Team Red will see that Chet & Dunbar are weaker & more deserving to go into the Gulag soon. [B]I still hate Laurel. She's like puke to me.[/B][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Dash_Vegas!;213867]In case anyone was interested the voting order for this episode just got posted on the Dailies site about an hour ago...
Also, Chet sounds ridiculous, as does Sarah, and *shocking* Laurel[/QUOTE]
I checked it out. I like how they are doing that the next day, like Survivor.
So it looked like for the gray team, it was 5 for Cara Maria (JD, Shauvon, Sarah, Dan, Laurel) and 3 for Shauvon (Cara Maria, Vinny, Abram), and 4 for JD (Vinny, Dan, Laurel, Luke), 3 for Luke (Cara Maria, JD, and Shauvon), and 1 for Abram (Abram).
For red, it was 6 for Mandi (Brad, Paula, Chet, Melinda, Tori, Camila) and 3 for Camila (Tyler, Mandi, Brandon), and 7 for Brandon (Brad, Paula, Tyler, Chet, Melinda, Mandi, Dunbar) and 2 for Dunbar (Brandon, Camila).
You can probably guess that Ayiiia and Luke voted for Cara Maria based on the deliberation before the vote, Dunbar voted for Mandi based on his alliance, and Tori voted for Brandon based on her alliance.
[QUOTE=MrsPlumBean;213853]I can't blame Brad too much. He's been trying to win a challenge for, like, a million years. This is probably going to be his last one, so I understand why he's willing to pull out all the stops to win. If you go back and watch his Gauntlet 2 aftershow, he talks about how badly he wants to win a challenge--and that was, what? Four years ago? Yeah, he usually plays differently--but he's also never won. And he's been on the wrong end of the alliance stick more than once. I'm sorry that Brandon has to suffer due to the vets' gameplay on the red team, but I have trouble blaming Brad for wanting to win at this point in his rw/rr challenge career.[/QUOTE]
I do blame Brad. He's acting even worse than JEK, because at least when they play backstabbing, they do it for the best of their team usually, to make the strongest team and win missions and finals. Even Wes sent in Danny because he was weak and Danny was his best friend. If Brad really wants to be Cutthroat and win, it's not about making backstabbing decisions, but smart ones. Anyone can see Brandon is a better competitor than Chet, maybe Tyler or Dunbar also. And if you want to win at the end, you'd focus on making the best team (as Johnny and Kenny did on the Island), not the team with friends. So I don't think Brad is playing smart at all.
[QUOTE=Gucci Mane;213868]My thoughts:
2. After watching the preview for next week, I am in complete disgust. Laurel is really a nasty human being, drunk or not. I know that she feels bitter still because of the way the FM girls treated her last season, but why not gang up on Theresa too? I think she just knows Mandi is an easy target, and noone on the red team really likes Mandi anyway, so Laurel didn't have to worry about anyone sticking up for her.
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I finally saw the video with Laurel and Eric, and that was dumb and uncalled for. But not surprising to me, as she was tutored by Kenny, who, may I remind everyone, said and did the same things to Sarah when he was SOBER on The Ruins. I'm not saying Laurel is right, but people tend to make a bigger deal when she or other girls, do something rather than when guys do it, just pointing that out.
With that said, I still do not have a problem with her saying things about Mandi. And Mandi calling Laurel "immature" when Mandi was the one mocking Laurel and telling her she has "fat thighs" in FM2, so I can see why she doesn't like Mandi. This was even before Laurel did anything to her on FM2.
[QUOTE=RW561015;213872]Laurel actually took up for Theresa on the first little web show on MTV (I think they called the show confessionals or something). That one was about her going off on Camila, and Laurel said Theresa is a good person. And someone on TWoP said Theresa apologized to Laurel about FM2, so I guess that's why she doesn't dislike her.[/QUOTE]
I think so too. Theresa did apologize to her, but Mandi still doesn't like her or vice versa. I do wonder though, why most viewers do not like Laurel, but the cast, especially the Vets, do like her. Just makes me wonder what they like about her.
I kinda like her too I guess.
All in all, I definitely did not agree with what she did to Eric, and I do hope she gets "put in her place" and apologize, but I don't hate her still. After all, she learnt from the best(sarcasm).... Mr. wanna-be beautiful.
I think when she's sober, she has her head on, but drunk.... wow, she should stop drinking, like Dan.
Sorry for the double post, but I must agree with others who said Landon plays the "good guy" role and won with that, as well as Abram plays with integrity (most times) and still usually does awesome in challenges, so Brad doesn't HAVE to take the backstabbing route. Just saying...
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I think when she's sober, she has her head on, but drunk.... wow, she should stop drinking, like Dan.[/QUOTE]
She doesn't act like a ***** when she's sober because she's FAKE. I mean, after all, nobody wants to look like a total *******. People act dump when they're drunk, but unlike Laurel, she targeted people with their personal issue. Sometimes when you're drunk, you reveal the real you. And what make her think she's so tiny when she called Eric fat? Her arms are as big as my bulldog
[QUOTE=Hamahami;213894]She doesn't act like a ***** when she's sober because she's FAKE. I mean, after all, nobody wants to look like a total *******. People act dump when they're drunk, but unlike Laurel, she targeted people with their personal issue. Sometimes when you're drunk, you reveal the real you. And what make her think she's so tiny when she called Eric fat? Her arms are as big as my bulldog[/QUOTE]
1) I don't think she's fake, but then again, I don't know her.... and neither do you. I do think she's dumb when she's drunk.... as are 90% of people.
2) I'm, by NO means, saying she's right, just pointing out Mandi did the same thing to her on FM2 and Kenny did the same to Sarah on The Ruins.
3) If you're gonna do the same thing she is doing to Eric, then that makes you better than her how?
Anyhoo, back to the topic at hand. LOL at Cara Marie and Abe on the hammock.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;213896]1) I don't think she's fake, but then again, I don't know her.... and neither do you. I do think she's dumb when she's drunk.... as are 90% of people.
2) I'm, by NO means, saying she's right, just pointing out Mandi did the same thing to her on FM2 and Kenny did the same to Sarah on The Ruins.
3) If you're gonna do the same thing she is doing to Eric, then that makes you better than her how?
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1) Yes, she's dumb when she's drunk, but she definitely crossed the line to "malicious." Not only is what she said uncalled for, it's one of those things that people take really personally and to put someone down for something that they've been [I]working[/I] on, over and over again, is entirely unnecessary. And it's not even like Easy said anything to her to set her off...she just decided to be a *****.
2) Everyone is saying this...was it in an episode or a Daily? Can someone find it for me? And also, do we know for sure that Laurel didn't say something first? Given how harsh her comments are now, I don't believe that this is the first time Laurel has acted like this...I wonder if she made comments that didn't make it to the episodes on FM2. Someone who says these kind of things just has an ugly personality, and that doesn't come from one experience.
3)Agreed. I might have said stuff in the past about how Easy was out of shape and lost G3 for his whole team because he didn't work out enough, but that's because it is related to his performance as a challenger. I would NEVER make fun of someone for how they naturally are/look.
P.S. Just out of curiosity, do you guys consider "Amazon" to be an insult?
I think in a team challenge like this I would be more inclined to want to put in my strongest players knowing they would dominate the other team that puts in their weakest players with the hope I could keep my team intact the longest period of time and have a better chance of staying out of the elimination rounds. I give Abe props for willing to put himself in even though his team went differently. As for the Brad stuff, I hated him on the RW but have actually come to at least respect him on the challenges. As for the Laurel situation, it may just be a ploy to get some screentime. It is no secret that outbursts will get you onto the broadcast or at least the web.
[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;213900]I think in a team challenge like this I would be more inclined to want to put in my strongest players knowing they would dominate the other team that puts in their weakest players with the hope I could keep my team intact the longest period of time and have a better chance of staying out of the elimination rounds. [/QUOTE]
But you're counting on the other team putting in their weakest players, and definitely winning...I mean, what if Shauvon got sent into the last Gulag instead of Cara Maria? Yeah, she's a terrible competitor, but she is so much bigger than Mandi. Would Mandi have really been able to drag her? If anything, these eliminations are risky and you can never know what's going to happen. Plus, almost every single Final has been an endurance challenge of some kind. It would be far better to trim down the team a little than risk your strongest players.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;213904]But you're counting on the other team putting in their weakest players, and definitely winning...I mean, what if Shauvon got sent into the last Gulag instead of Cara Maria? Yeah, she's a terrible competitor, but she is so much bigger than Mandi. Would Mandi have really been able to drag her? If anything, these eliminations are risky and you can never know what's going to happen. Plus, almost every single Final has been an endurance challenge of some kind. It would be far better to trim down the team a little than risk your strongest players.[/QUOTE]
That certainly would be conventional. with 3 teams, I think that you have a better chance of staying out of the eliminations if you have the most players. If you end up in one and put in your strongest people and come out intact, then you have an edge come next time and you have room to sit out a strong player for an injury or exhaustion. Certainly that strategy would change once you got closer to the end. Plus, a lot of the physically bigger folks, esp. among the guys, tend to be horrible at puzzles and those show up often enough that you need some brains to go with the brawn.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;213898]1) Yes, she's dumb when she's drunk, but she definitely crossed the line to "malicious." [B] Not only is what she said uncalled for, it's one of those things that people take really personally and to put someone down for something that they've been [I]working[/I] on, over and over again, is entirely unnecessary. And it's not even like Easy said anything to her to set her off...she just decided to be a *****. [/B]
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I definitely agree with this.
[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;213900]I think in a team challenge like this I would be more inclined to want to [B]put in my strongest players knowing they would dominate the other team that puts in their weakest players with the hope I could keep my team intact the longest period of time and have a better chance of staying out of the elimination rounds. [/B] I give Abe props for willing to put himself in even though his team went differently. As for the Brad stuff, I hated him on the RW but have actually come to at least respect him on the challenges. As for the Laurel situation, it may just be a ploy to get some screentime. It is no secret that outbursts will get you onto the broadcast or at least the web.[/QUOTE]
If you wanna win money, you're not concerned with "keeping your team intact" you want the best players on your team to stay and the weaker ones to go, before they cause you to lose a challenge or a final.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;213896]1) I don't think she's fake, but then again, I don't know her.... and neither do you. I do think she's dumb when she's drunk.... as are 90% of people.
2) I'm, by NO means, saying she's right, just pointing out Mandi did the same thing to her on FM2 [B]and Kenny did the same to Sarah on The Ruins.[/B]
3) If you're gonna do the same thing she is doing to Eric, then that makes you better than her how?
Anyhoo, back to the topic at hand. LOL at Cara Marie and Abe on the hammock.[/QUOTE]
I think Kenny making fun and talking like that to Sarah is completely different than Laurel making comments at Easy. Yes, Kenny did say mean things to Sarah and made her cry but his comments seemed like they were more in good fun while Sarah also laughed along with most of what he said. Laurel was blatantly making fun of Easy while drunk and saying malicious things that seemed degrading.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;213916]I think Kenny making fun and talking like that to Sarah is completely different than Laurel making comments at Easy. Yes, Kenny did say mean things to Sarah and made her cry but his comments seemed like they were more in good fun while Sarah also laughed along with most of what he said. Laurel was blatantly making fun of Easy while drunk and saying malicious things that seemed degrading.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah... I meant to address that too. Kenny may make fun of people, but usually doesn't go THAT far. Plus, wasn't it editing that made it look like Kenny made Sarah cry, but it was really Johnny?
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;213917]Oh yeah... I meant to address that too. Kenny may make fun of people, but usually doesn't go THAT far. [B]Plus, wasn't it editing that made it look like Kenny made Sarah cry, but it was really Johnny?[/B][/QUOTE]
OK, I didn't know that part. But I get where your coming from. :)
In the ruins everybody said that Evan, Kenny and Derrick were cowards because they control the votation process to avoid the eliminations rounds and now Brad and Tori are doing the same thing and everybody said that is okay and try to justify their actions, at least JEKD tried to keep the strongets people and got rid of the weaker people of the team and got rid of the people who could throw the final mission like Wes, Brad and Tori are doing the opposite they are protecting weak people like Dunbar who was horrible in the last mission and haven't won any elimination round, Chet who is a horrible athlete and Tyler and have decided to send in Brandon who is ten times better than Chet.
[QUOTE=Entropy;213925]I didnt mind nor blamed JEKD for what they did on the Ruins, nor do I blame Brad or any of them, they are playing smart..it may be evil but its smart.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, I personally, don't understand what's smart about throwing Brandon who can help the team win, and keeping weaker players.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;213892]Sorry for the double post, but I must agree with others who said Landon plays the "good guy" role and won with that, as well as Abram plays with integrity (most times) and still usually does awesome in challenges, so Brad doesn't HAVE to take the backstabbing route. Just saying...[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call what Brad is doing "backstabbing". It's not like he formed an alliance with Brandon and went back on his word. What Johnny and Kenny did to Paula on The Island was backstabbing. What Wes did to Danny, CJ, and Landon on FM2 was backstabbing. Brad voting Brandon into the Gulag twice is not. He's just more comfortable working with his 3 other male teammates for right now. At least Brad admitted that he feels terrible for making Brandon go in twice, hopefully next time around he'll throw someone else in.
I know this post isn't going to sit well with Brad fans, but I find Brad quite repulsive and fake. I don't see how anyone can justify his behavior. He wants to win money, he deserves it, he got screwed over in the past challenges, blah blah blah, guess what? Those aren't rationalizations at ALL. He's acting the same way JEKD would. Just like them, he's greedy, deceitful, and beyond desperate for a win. I wanted to PUKE when I saw him tell Brandon that "things are going to change", then in his confessional say that Brandon would be going back in. Only someone with his lack of ethics and morale could casually lie through their teeth so easily. I mean, he did it in Gauntlet 3 when he was trying to convince Coral that CT didn't throw the challenge. It is so amazing to me how unflinching this guy is when he's making a blatant, malicious lie. He would be a great actor because being dishonest just seems so natural to him.
Personally, in regards to Brad, I've never seen the GOOD in him that viewers swoon over. His whole persona on TV is so premeditated and refined to me.
Gauntlet 2 - Attempted to form an alliance with Cara and Susie with the agreement that they would throw the challenge on guy days and he would throw the challenge on girl days.
Duel 1 - I was ***** @ his pathetic speech on the Duel after Robin's antics about how he's so against her hate speech and will not be apart of that. That whole scene seemed so scripted as another attempt to win over the audience. Next challenge after, he had no problem throwing Aneesa under the bus and picking Robin because he knew Robin would be a ticket to his money. Robin was still useful to him at that time, so he knew he couldn't discard her yet. It wasn't until the Duel 2 where he had Tori to lock up his vote that he realized Robin was pretty much useless to him. He was one of the puppet masters behind the list, yet he didn't even attempt to make sure that Robin was safe from being at the very bottom. Why? Because he had no use for her.
I would not be surprised if he tried to get real chummy with Svetlana and Wes once he realized that the underdogs of the game were starting to take over since he was originally one of the main components of the Kina/Robin/Jodi/Diem alliance. Wes talked about how he and Brad became good friends later on in the challenge, which made him not want to call him out and fulfill his agreement with Evan that he would get rid of Derrick and Brad. Good for him because Wes would've kicked his ***. Oh how I wish it was Brad in the Duel in Pole Wrest against Wes instead of Derrick.
Gauntlet 3 - Lied to Coral's face without any hesitation, then proceeded to try to screw her over by putting in Beth. Sorry, but I wasn't so convinced about his good guy act at the end when Eric collapsed. He was in love with Tori and quite frankly, Tori's winning 50K was a LOT more lucrative than had Brad won the money. The rest of the Vets were bitter and less accepting of the loss because they didn't have any ties to any of the Rookies.
Duel 2 - Along with Evan and Mark, he was one the masterminds of the shady list. Heard that he was also part of the plan to get CT out probably because of his horrible memories of CT absolutely destroying him in the Duel. Was surprised he didn't even bother making sure Robin was picked up. He also encouraged Evan to throw Paula under the bus in hopes to preserve the list. Pressured Tori to leave her friends behind in the list.
Ruins - Voted in Brianna over Casey in the Ruins. Then a few episodes after, he proceeded to talk about how Casey brings the team down. Lol.
Overall, I think he is a snake in the grass. I think Johnny, Evan and Kenny are pretty disgusting but at least they get flack for it and are usually pretty open about it. With Brad, people think he's some sort of saint who plays the game fairly when in reality he's just as bad behind the scenes. Difference is he tries to be everyone's best friend and it's easier to rally against scapegoats like Evan.
I really hope that he doesn't end up winning the final challenge for his dirty play. He mentioned that he and Tori wanted to raise a family on the money they win. I'm sure if they do win, their kids will be happy to know that the money for their schooling came from a string of lies, backstabbing, deceit, and immorality. If he doesn't win, then I truly think he should go be an actor. The guy is a natural at it.
Brad the cad is what I like to call him.
Thoughts about this episode (and the preview next week):
Brandon complaining about getting sent in again, but himself voting for Camilla? That's rather ridiculous, and stops me from feeling sorry for him.
I'm embarrassed by Laurel...it amazes me how some people change when being drunk, it's not like you reveal a secondary character, rather you show your true colors...and Laurels are really disgusting...picking on the weakest available person, in the most ruthless manner. Really loved Tyler and Dan for standing up against her, although that should go without saying.
Moreover I don't get why people still characterise Tyler as one of the weaker competitors, weaker than Brandon, as bad as Chet, and all that *******.
And regarding Brad, how dare he? He's playing the game as everyone else, it's unforgivable. The comparison with Landon is ridiculous, because Landon immediately won his first challenge, and three out of the 4 he participated in, so of course it was easy for him to continue his "good-guy" game, especially since most respected him anyway. For Brad it didnt work at all, so no wonder he's trying to play differently now, no reason to suddenly dislike him or describing him as fake.
[QUOTE=alucard666;213924]In the ruins everybody said that Evan, Kenny and Derrick were cowards because they control the votation process to avoid the eliminations rounds and now Brad and Tori are doing the same thing and everybody said that is okay and try to justify their actions, at least JEKD tried to keep the strongets people and got rid of the weaker people of the team and got rid of the people who could throw the final mission like Wes, Brad and Tori are doing the opposite they are protecting weak people like Dunbar who was horrible in the last mission and haven't won any elimination round, Chet who is a horrible athlete and Tyler and have decided to send in Brandon who is ten times better than Chet.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? JEK were throwing in Veronica OVER Ibis and Johanna. Veronica proved herself to be stronger than those 2. ****, Johanna was ready to quit after Veronica left. It's not about throwing in weaker players, it's about who's gonna keep them out of the ruins, and Veronica never said she was going to save Evan from the ruins.
Evan threw in Coral who was one of the strongest girls on Gauntlet III. He threw her in OVER casey...CASEY..
Evan threw in Johnny over Big Easy early on in the Gauntlet III.
Casey on Gauntlet 3..was treated different than on other Challenges for some odd reason, as for the Johnny over Easy call..I bet they regretted that later. As for Brad as I said above, he's finally playing smart, sure he's dabbled in and out of alliance before but this is his first time actually calling the shots on a team, so why hold it against him? Its a freaking game for money, the whole point is to find the best way to survive till the end, and while he's doing it in an evil way, its best bet for him.
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And regarding Brad, how dare he? He's playing the game as everyone else, it's unforgivable. The comparison with Landon is ridiculous, because Landon immediately won his first challenge, and three out of the 4 he participated in, so of course it was easy for him to continue his "good-guy" game, especially since most respected him anyway. For Brad it didnt work at all, so no wonder he's trying to play differently now, no reason to suddenly dislike him or describing him as fake.[/QUOTE]
Brad: "I truly believe things will get better"
Brandon: "Ok"
Brad: "Unfortunately Brandon will be going in again"
That's not fake? He lied to his face, lied through his teeth.
[QUOTE=v123;213959]Brad: "I truly believe things will get better"
Brandon: "Ok"
Brad: "Unfortunately Brandon will be going in again"
That's not fake? He lied to his face, lied through his teeth.[/QUOTE]
This whole challenge is based on being fake and lying about who you are voting for, or what do you think is the purpose of secret votes? I just think it's ridiculous to expect Brad holding onto some holy standards no other player in these challenges ever fulfilled...particularly after losing in every challenge by being a good guy. I won't even comment on your insinuations regarding the Gauntlet 3. So you think he only cared about Eric because, well, he had some money in the bag through Tori? Thats really low.
[QUOTE=Entropy;213958]Casey on Gauntlet 3..was treated different than on other Challenges for some odd reason, as for the Johnny over Easy call..I bet they regretted that later. As for Brad as I said above, he's finally playing smart, sure he's dabbled in and out of alliance before but this is his first time actually calling the shots on a team, so why hold it against him? Its a freaking game for money, the whole point is to find the best way to survive till the end, and while he's doing it in an evil way, its best bet for him.[/QUOTE]
He's always been part of an alliance, not just dabbling. The reason he doesn't win is that he's just not a great competitor. It's not as if he's an elimination king who has been going in elimination rounds when he used to be a "good". Saying that he's playing politics now to avoid elimination rounds is silly in a way because he's never been one to fight his way to the top anyways.
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