[QUOTE=kdub90;208999]You're absolutely right! And that's what sucks:you can have the most horrible competitors win a challenge simply because of an alliance. And because they are becoming more socially based, the rw and rr alumni are gonna suffer. we all know these fresh meat kids are gonna keep coming back...and multiply.THERE WILL BE MORE! LOL. It just sucks, ya know. People can gripe and disagree all they want. But, there are people winning these challenges that don't deserve to win these things!We got Johanna and Ibis on the champions team! Johanna may have won a challenge because Jillian had to go in 3 times, and Johanna went in 0 times and Big Easy gave out;but, she is not a champion! And Ibis is weak to. IDK too much about Veronica, so I can't say. [B]And isn't it funny, that Johnny only got to be on the champion's team because Evelyn didn't take his key? If she took his key, things would be different![/B]It's crazy! I watch these challenges to see the real worlders and road rulers fight it out and actually challenge themselves.I'm really tired of Kenny, Evan, and Derrick skating by on these challenges. I don't think its right. ?But I guess these type of challenges are better than no challenges at all. I miss the duel, when Kenny, Evan and Derrick all had to fight! I actually liked all of them on the duel. But Gauntlet 3 and the "trimming the fat" mess was the beginning of the craziness. The Island was horrible! It was dominated by the goons!I just wish they couldn't all be on the same challenge.Kenny and Evan can't be on the same one. However, Kenny and Derrick, or Johnny and Derrick, might be ok. It's just when they all get together, they start this mess. Whatever happened to an unpredictable challenge? It's a dying breed, I tell you!I'm gonna take a breather! lol
Hmmm? What about a new champions vs old champions???That would be awesome!Only cause JEKD will get smashed!lol
Alton, Abram, Darell, Landon, Mark or Syrus vs Kenny, Evan, Johnny, Derrick, Nehemiah.I wished some of these would do challenges outside of the duels![/QUOTE]
I'm going to go out a limb here and say that if Evelyn would have taken Johnny's key, she herself would not have been a winner on The Island. She was thinking pure strategy. Whatever makes you a winner. I'm sure if you were on a challenge you'd do anything you could to win and if that means playing the social game, by all means.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;209004]I'm going to go out a limb here and say that if Evelyn would have taken Johnny's key, she herself would not have been a winner on The Island. She was thinking pure strategy. Whatever makes you a winner. I'm sure if you were on a challenge you'd do anything you could to win and if that means playing the social game, by all means.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you mean. But, I would never screw over a friend just for money. That is a sign of greed, which leads to other addictions.lol. I can't imagine any amount of money being worth a real friend. Its funny how some of the idiots actually believe in "challenge friends". That's ridiculous. That just means you'll use that person and strategize with them until you can get everything out of them. They pretend to be best buds; but, when it comes down to the wire, its usually you or me. And I'll do WHATEVER Ihave to do to put you on the chopping block and save my own neck. Then after the challenge is over, they wanna call you up and wanna hang out. Oh, Please!Its scary what people would do for money!Really sickening! What happened to Derrick, Johnny and Evan? D and J were my favorites. I guess they got tired of playing fair and losing. It sucks. I guess I'll have to settle for the abomination that is JEKDJP(Johnny, Evan, Kenny, Derrick, Johanna, and Paula)1/2 of whom suck! haha.
Derrick never really played the game dirty or backstabbed anyone.
On the Island, there is a reason Paula was arguing with Kenny and Johny, because they betrayed her for Evelyn.
Bottom line is that the new wave of Challenge regulars (Evan, Kenny, Johnny, Paula, Dunbar, Jenn, Evelyn, etc.) just aren't as entertaining as the old regulars (Mike, Coral, Abram, Rachel, Veronica, Theo, Timmy, Katie). Thus, the quality of the show suffers. I was tired of seeing Kenny by Gauntlet 3. Paula has been on 6 Challenges (Cut Throat will be 7) and hasn't really contributed anything to the show, competition-wise or entertainment. Evan seems to be the only one of this bunch that knows how to space out his appearances. Kenny's done 2 more than him, Paula's now done 2 more than Evan despite making her debut a season AFTER him. The casting has gotten way too repetitive.
At least back in the day, the people who did 4 of 5 Challenges were people who actually made the show fun to watch. These regulars now are **** poor compared to what we used to have. Evan is the only one who has shown that he can hack it as a competitor and a lot of them (Evan, Kenny, and Paula in particular) try way too hard to be funny in their confessionals that it makes you think they rehearsed their lines or read them off a cue card.
[QUOTE=AJHill;209060]Bottom line is that the new wave of Challenge regulars (Evan, Kenny, Johnny, Paula, Dunbar, Jenn, Evelyn, etc.) just aren't as entertaining as the old regulars (Mike, Coral, Abram, Rachel, Veronica, Theo, Timmy, Katie). Thus, the quality of the show suffers. I was tired of seeing Kenny by Gauntlet 3. Paula has been on 6 Challenges (Cut Throat will be 7) and hasn't really contributed anything to the show, competition-wise or entertainment. Evan seems to be the only one of this bunch that knows how to space out his appearances. Kenny's done 2 more than him, Paula's now done 2 more than Evan despite making her debut a season AFTER him. The casting has gotten way too repetitive.
At least back in the day, the people who did 4 of 5 Challenges were people who actually made the show fun to watch. These regulars now are **** poor compared to what we used to have. Evan is the only one who has shown that he can hack it as a competitor and a lot of them (Evan, Kenny, and Paula in particular) try way too hard to be funny in their confessionals that it makes you think they rehearsed their lines or read them off a cue card.[/QUOTE]
Evan has the best-one line confessionals. I like JEKD, but they do however appear on way too many challenges. I don't mind seeing old entertaining faces.
PICTURE THIS: The Miz comes back from the WWE to make his return to one more RW/RR Challenge. Then they will announce it on WWE, and will gain us viewers because of all the Miz fans and people who got tired of the show will re-watch a season with him on it maybe cause he is a fan favorite. A great way to increase the viewers.
[QUOTE=RealityToast;209068]Evan has the best-one line confessionals. I like JEKD, but they do however appear on way too many challenges. I don't mind seeing old entertaining faces.
PICTURE THIS:[B] The Miz comes back from the WWE to make his return to one more RW/RR Challenge. Then they will announce it on WWE, and will gain us viewers because of all the Miz fans and people who got tired of the show will re-watch a season with him on it maybe cause he is a fan favorite. A great way to increase the viewers.[/B][/QUOTE]
People need to put this idea to bed already. There's no way he's coming back. He's got a pretty good gig over at WWE, he's appearing on covers of their magazines and ****, so I'm sure he's making a lot more money than he did on the Challenges. As much as I'm sure we'd all enjoy it, I'm pretty confident in saying that there's no way the Miz will be competing on a Challenge ever again.
[QUOTE=AJHill;209060]Bottom line is that the new wave of Challenge regulars (Evan, Kenny, Johnny, Paula, Dunbar, Jenn, Evelyn, etc.) just aren't as entertaining as the old regulars (Mike, Coral, Abram, Rachel, Veronica, Theo, Timmy, Katie). Thus, the quality of the show suffers. I was tired of seeing Kenny by Gauntlet 3. Paula has been on 6 Challenges (Cut Throat will be 7) and hasn't really contributed anything to the show, competition-wise or entertainment. Evan seems to be the only one of this bunch that knows how to space out his appearances. Kenny's done 2 more than him, Paula's now done 2 more than Evan despite making her debut a season AFTER him. The casting has gotten way too repetitive.
At least back in the day, the people who did 4 of 5 Challenges were people who actually made the show fun to watch. These regulars now are **** poor compared to what we used to have. Evan is the only one who has shown that he can hack it as a competitor and a lot of them (Evan, Kenny, and Paula in particular) try way too hard to be funny in their confessionals that it makes you think they rehearsed their lines or read them off a cue card.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree. Let's look back at who gets the most airtime despite it being a new generation:
Duel: Beth, Svetlana, Ct, Diem, Wes, Aneesa- all old skool except for Diem, Sveti, & Wes
Inferno 3: Timmy, Susie, Cara, Johnny- all old skool except for Johnny
Gauntlet 3: Frank, Jillian, Coral, Beth, Ct, Evan, Ev, Tori- only Tori, Evan & Ev are new skool altho you can argue about Jillian
Island: Johnny, Kenny, Johanna, Ev, Kellyanne- look at how that season did
Duel 2: Mark, Rachel, Aneesa, Jenn, Landon, Evan- only Jenn and Evan
Ruins: I'm actually torn on who the focus of this season was on. It was very mixed. Altho I think Susie wins followed by Veronica, Tonya, Evan, Kellyanne, Sarah, Johnny, Kenny, and Wes but by this point, Wes, Kenny, and Johnny are now veterans. Even Brad had good amount of screen time on this season and I would consider him old skool as well.
Fresh Meat 2: Dominated by Wes, Kenny, Ev. Even tho Landon won, I dont think he got that much screen time compared to Ev and Wes
[QUOTE=AJHill;209060]Bottom line is that the new wave of Challenge regulars (Evan, Kenny, Johnny, Paula, Dunbar, Jenn, Evelyn, etc.) just aren't as entertaining as the old regulars (Mike, Coral, Abram, Rachel, Veronica, Theo, Timmy, Katie). Thus, the quality of the show suffers. I was tired of seeing Kenny by Gauntlet 3. Paula has been on 6 Challenges (Cut Throat will be 7) and hasn't really contributed anything to the show, competition-wise or entertainment. Evan seems to be the only one of this bunch that knows how to space out his appearances. Kenny's done 2 more than him, Paula's now done 2 more than Evan despite making her debut a season AFTER him. The casting has gotten way too repetitive.
At least back in the day, the people who did 4 of 5 Challenges were people who actually made the show fun to watch. These regulars now are **** poor compared to what we used to have. Evan is the only one who has shown that he can hack it as a competitor and a lot of them (Evan, Kenny, and Paula in particular) try way too hard to be funny in their confessionals that it makes you think they rehearsed their lines or read them off a cue card.[/QUOTE]
You're right. The old school vets, were funny and entertaining. You were actually glad to see them do challenge after challenge.
One reason I am not looking forward to this challenge is because more than half of the cast are rookies and the people who aren't rookies are pretty boring, with the exception of Katie and Abram, who are usually entertaining.
I can't believe Shavoun, Melinda, Sarah and Tyler are all considered "Vets"
I never said anything about another challenge cast, I just think this cast sucks. I think the casting for the Ruins was amazing, as well as The Duel II. I don't care if they re-use people, but make the people interesting. The FM2 kids were extremely dry and boring, plus the alumni they used.
I am just not excited to see Theresa, Laurel, Mandi, Luke, Vinny, Brandon, Melinda or Tyler. Sue me! People have different opinions.
The only fresh meat 2 people I wouldn't mind seeing become regulars are Pete, Laurel, and Theresa. Theresa because I just wanna see how a challenge would pan out with Kellyanne and Wes AND her together on it. Laurel because of her ego and I can see a lot of people not liking that and scheming against her. Pete because I think he was the most entertaining out of all the fresh meat guys. The other possibilities would be Luke and Mandi. Mandi is rude and snooty so I think that could cause drama and Luke because... well... I don't really know why, so maybe I take it back, haha.
For this Cut Throat Challenge I'm excited to see Katie (Whose always entertaining), Abram, Dan, Newlyweds Brad and Tori, Melinda, and MAYBE Tyler... and of course Ct and you-know-who.
The two guys from FM2 I'd like to see do a challenge, in my opinion are the two best and are Pete and Noor, and of course neither of them do the next challenge, but would be interesting to see how good they'd do on their own.
[QUOTE=gjams24;209230]The two guys from FM2 I'd like to see do a challenge, in my opinion are the two best and are Pete and Noor, and of course neither of them do the next challenge, but would be interesting to see how good they'd do on their own.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a cast list for the next challenge? Are you SURE they won't be on it? Do you have any news you can share with us about the next challenge?
[QUOTE=RealityToast;208565]New & improved Top 25 lists for both [U][COLOR=blue]males[/COLOR][/U] and [COLOR=red][U]females [/U][/COLOR]of the RW/RR Challenges (with a Bubble/Wild Card format)
[B]edited the list, help from [/B][B]Superboy[/B]
[B][COLOR=black]Top 25 [COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR] List[/COLOR][/B]
01. Evelyn Smith
[B]02. Jodi Weatherton[/B]
[B]03. Rachel Robinson[/B]
04. Susie Meister
05. Veronica Portillo
06. Aneesa Ferreira
[B]07. Coral Smith [/B]
[B]08. Holly Shand[/B]
[B]09. Tina Barta[/B]
[B]10. Kina Dean[/B]
11. Jillian Zoboroski
[B]12. Ruthie Alcaide[/B]
[B]13. Diem Brown[/B]
14. Sarah Greyson
[B]15. Jenn Grijalva[/B]
[B]16. Robin Hibbard [/B]
[B]17. KellyAnne Judd [/B]
[B]18. Tori Hall[/B]
19. Laurel Stucky
[B]20. Emily Bailey[/B]
[B]22. Cara Zavaleta [/B]
[B]23. Brittini Sherod [/B]24. Paula Meronek
25. Sarah Rice
[B][B]I still didn't switch Wes and Derrick.. only because Derrick lost to him, doesn't mean anything[/B][/B].[/QUOTE]
Let me further help you.
1) I wouldn't put Jodi over Rachel. Rachel is more athletic and stronger I believe because she's older, and she is mentally tougher(even though they're both mentally weak).
2) You have Coral over Holly Shand(Holly should be top 4) and not to mention over most female comeptitors who are superior. On the Inferno 1, Holly was the best female competitor there(over the likes of Veronica and even Christina) and would have PWNED Coral if they went into an Inferno. Coral strength was her friendship with the Miz and other castmembers that wouldn't vote her in. She did beat Tina and Beth but only because she got lucky and went against them in events that easily favored her. Coral should NOT be in the top ten female competitors. And its funny how her final moments on the challenge is her walking away after quiting because she couldn't get her way anymore now that there was a new generation of people.
3) You have Tina over Kina. Kina was more athletic and just as tough as Tina. Kina also beat Jillian in a physical elimination round that involved speed.
4) You have Ruthie ranked 12th. Ruthie was GREAT on the BOTS 1, but has done nothing after that and lost to rookie Kimberly on the Duel 2. Ruthie's BOTS 1 performance sadly means nothing anymore.
5) You have Diem ranked over Tori. Tori is stronger and more athletic(she would have beaten Tonya in that ruins event, unlike Diem). Tori also proved she was stronger than Jillian on the Gauntlet 3 if you compared her match against Melinda to Jillians matches. You can clearly see that Tori would beat Jillian if they had faced eachother.
6) You have Jenn and Robin over Kellyanne. Kellyanne out lasted Rachel in an event on the Island, and she is stronger and more athletic and clearly superior to both. Kellyanne should also be ranked much more higher.
7) You have Emily(RR) ranked at 20. Which is a [B]crime[/B]. Emily should be in the top 5. She was a strong competitor on all of her challenges. On the Extreme Challenge, she was the best female competitor and beat Julie in a wrestling match. On the BOTS 1, she was in the inner circle most of the time and would of finished in the top three if she didn't quit. She would still school this newer female competitors I believe if she were to come back.
8) You have Cara ranked over brittni. Cara did performed well on the Gauntlet 1, and was average on the Gauntlet 2 and Inferno 3, but Brittni was on par with Rachel on the Duel 2 on most missions, and even beat her in one. She also won elimination rounds and is clearly stronger and more athletic than Cara. Brittni should also be ranked higher.
9) Derrick is a better overall competitor than Wes, as Wes has only shown to be good at imming missions. Wes only strengths are his physical strength, and his manipulation abilities...... BUT he still beat Derrick. So until Derrick beats Wes, Wes must be ranked over Derrick.....i'm sorry.
Rachel a weak minded player? Since when? She ran the Road Rules alliance on Gauntlet 1, she manipulated the situation almost each time on Inferno 2. Rachel is very very good when it comes to the mind games of the challenge.
[QUOTE=Entropy;209301]Rachel a weak minded player? Since when? She ran the Road Rules alliance on Gauntlet 1, she manipulated the situation almost each time on Inferno 2. Rachel is very very good when it comes to the mind games of the challenge.[/QUOTE]
She showed her mental weakness on her Road Rules season where she lost to Irulan, who she was like two times bigger than in a wrestling match(When her cast faced off against RW: Vegas). Now I know size doesn't always matter, but the fact that she couldn't even get a draw is pathetic to me. On the Island, she got beat by Kellyanne in an event that involved mental strength. And on the Duel 2, Brittni beat her in the "Burnt" challenge, where your mental strength(endurance) was also tested. A great qoute about Rachel was said by non other than Emily(RR). On the BOTS 1, she said that Rachel was "consistantly bad", and that she didn't see a competitor when she looked at Rachel. She said Rachel looked "very athletic", but didn't have "the focus". I'm still surprise Rachel won the Duel 2(aswell as Jodi) because she's(though athletic) so weak mentally at times.
By weak minded, do u mean they're not smart? cuz when i hear weak minded i think overly emotional and breaks down easily and Rachel is definitely NOT that. If this was a list on intellectual strength, alot of ppl on that list wouldn't be there and vice versa, bt because its physical strength, i think rachel deserves that spot.
[QUOTE=Superboy;209303]She showed her mental weakness on her Road Rules season where she lost to Irulan, who she was like two times bigger than in a wrestling match(When her cast faced off against RW: Vegas). [/B]Now I know size doesn't always matter, but the fact that she couldn't even get a draw is pathetic to me. [B]On the Island, she got beat by Kellyanne in an event that involved mental strength.[/B] And on the Duel 2, Brittni beat her in the "Burnt" challenge, where your mental strength(endurance) was also tested. A great qoute about Rachel was said by non other than Emily(RR). On the BOTS 1, she said that Rachel was "consistantly bad", and that she didn't see a competitor when she looked at Rachel. She said Rachel looked "very athletic", but didn't have "the focus". I'm still surprise Rachel won the Duel 2(aswell as Jodi) because she's(though athletic) so weak mentally at times.[/QUOTE]
That is purely physical and Irulan was scrappy. I don't think Rachel mentally lost it, I don't think they took that challenge seriously. It had nothing to do with mentally being weak.
KellyAnne is a contortionist. That challenge was purely based on movement, it had nothing to do with being mentally strong or weak. Robin only lasted an hour. Rachel lasted 3 hours. A person who can contort their body to get confortable over and over would clearly win that challenge.
And Brittni beat Rachel in one challenge... why would you consider that challenge mental?
The Spelling Bee challenge was pure mental. Rachel won that. When you are suspended over a lake on a plank, that puts heaps of pressure on you. Rachel stayed calm and spelt the words correctly.
I think Rachel is actually one of the most mentally strong players on the challenge.
I like Emily as much as you, but that was her first challenge, and she didn't do bad. She was never on the bottom of the score board, besides the first mission.
[QUOTE=Entropy;209301]Rachel a weak minded player? Since when? She ran the Road Rules alliance on Gauntlet 1, she manipulated the situation almost each time on Inferno 2. Rachel is very very good when it comes to the mind games of the challenge.[/QUOTE]
Don't kid yourself... Derrick, CT, and Abe ran the show for that team on Inferno 2 for pretty much the whole season... up until the end, when the previously mentioned "mind game" genius of the challenge decided it would be a better idea to throw Shavonda into the Inferno and take the easy win for any girl on their team that was going in rather than play it smart and keep Shavonda on the Good Guys team, which would've given the Bad *** team pretty much a 100% of winning. Her, Veronica, and Tina were too chicken to go up against Jamie, somebody with somewhat of a chance at beating them, and put their individual interests over the better interests of the team. Shavonda was practically in Big Easy mode during the Crab Grab challenge where they only had to run back and forth like 30 yards... yet you don't want to keep her around for the final challenge which is ALWAYS a multi-mile marathon test of endurance and stamina?
[QUOTE=Entropy;209342]Weird question..during Challenges, where does TJ usually stay? The same house? a hotel? different house?[/QUOTE]
I also thought of that! I know he doesn't stay with them. They probably put him up in a hotel, where the rest of the crew stays.
To me that last isn't accurate only because when you are talking about good competitor, I think you have to keep in mind all aspects of competing. Evelyn is physically a great competitor but sucks when it comes to mentally playing the game. I'm not talking alliances, I'm talking about manipulation and such. As sad as it may be, some of the best players on this show are great mostly due to how awesome they are at mind ****ing people. Here would be my list...
1. Evelyn- fm
2. Jodi- rr13
3. Julie- rw9
4. Jodi- rr13
5. Laurel- fm2
6. Holly- rr9
7. Coral- rw10
8. Susie- rr6
9. Kellyanne- rw19
10. Sophia- rr10
11. Ruthie- rw8
12. Holly- rr7
13. Veronica- rr8
14. Tina- rr12
15. Tonya- rw11
16. Kina- rr13
17. Tori- rr14
18. Jillian- rr13
19. Paula- rw17
20. Brittini- rw20
21. Sarah- rw21
22. Beth- rw2
23. Aneesa- rw11
24. Ayanna- rr8
25. Jenn- rw18
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;209363]To me that last isn't accurate only because when you are talking about good competitor, I think you have to keep in mind all aspects of competing. [B]Evelyn is physically a great competitor but sucks when it comes to mentally playing the game.[/B] I'm not talking alliances, I'm talking about manipulation and such. As sad as it may be, some of the best players on this show are great mostly due to how awesome they are at mind ****ing people. Here would be my list...
1. Evelyn- fm
[/QUOTE]
Wait...you say that Evelyn is great physically but ****** mentally, and then you go and rank her #1?
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;209363]To me that last isn't accurate only because when you are talking about good competitor, I think you have to keep in mind all aspects of competing. Evelyn is physically a great competitor but sucks when it comes to mentally playing the game. I'm not talking alliances, I'm talking about manipulation and such. As sad as it may be, some of the best players on this show are great mostly due to how awesome they are at mind ****ing people. Here would be my list...
1. Evelyn- fm
2. Jodi- rr13
3. Julie- rw9
4. Jodi- rr13
5. Laurel- fm2
6. Holly- rr9
7. Coral- rw10
8. Susie- rr6
9. Kellyanne- rw19
10. Sophia- rr10
11. Ruthie- rw8
12. Holly- rr7
13. Veronica- rr8
14. Tina- rr12
15. Tonya- rw11
16. Kina- rr13
17. Tori- rr14
18. Jillian- rr13
19. Paula- rw17
20. Brittini- rw20
21. Sarah- rw21
22. Beth- rw2
23. Aneesa- rw11
24. Ayanna- rr8
25. Jenn- rw18[/QUOTE]
I know people already commented on how you completely contradicted yourself with Ev, but how in the hell is Laurel, Holly, Julie or Jodi (who you wrote twice, so I am assuming you are just that in love with her) better than Coral and Veronica when it comes to mind manipulation? Who listened to Julie? No one did, ever. I don't even think Julie listened to Julie. Coral is very physically fit and does well in missions, and got everyone to listen to her.
Ah I messed up... unless I meant to put someone with a J name and accidentally put Jodi? No I don't think so. I guess it's really hard to determine who has the right amount of physical abilities and smarts to be ranked on top. I guess the mind game people should be ranked together and then the physical ones with each other.
GOOD MENTAL PLAYERS
Coral- rw10
Veronica- rr8
Susie- rr6
Rachel- rr11
Emily- rr2
GOOD PHYSICAL PLAYERS
Evelyn- fm
Ruthie- rw8
Tina- rr12
Julie- rw9
Holly- rr9
Holly- rr7
Ellen- rr10
Jodi- rr13
[QUOTE=cryssy19;209320]By weak minded, do u mean they're not smart? cuz when i hear weak minded i think overly emotional and breaks down easily and Rachel is definitely NOT that. If this was a list on intellectual strength, alot of ppl on that list wouldn't be there and vice versa, bt because its physical strength, i think rachel deserves that spot.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about mentally weak when it comes to physical events, and performing under intense circumstances.
These lists are just gonna cause more and more controversy, these are just opinions and most of the times people have completely different opinions. If lists are gonna be put, just don't comment on them. I'm guilty of doing it, but I realize how pointless it is.
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