[QUOTE=kdub90;208458]Actually, I am not a big Wes fan. I like Gauntlet 2 Derrick and Duel 1 Derrick! I thought he was straight-up gangster! haha. He used to speak his mind. But, now he stays very low-key. Maybe it helps him remain less of a target. But, I've always thought he was waaay to good for Kenny! I just wish he would've never linked up with them. Because Kenny and Evan alone, don't really pose that much of a threat; we saw that on Duel1. [B]But with Kenny+Evan+Derrick+Johnny, they are amazing athletically and have an amazing social game.[/B] I mean, just think about it. If D and J wouldn't have got together with K and E, K and E wouldn't be in the position they are in. If you ask me, I'd say Derrick and Johnny would kick Evan and Kenny's butts on any day of the week. You know what? For FM3...if they do another (which they probably will)... what if they had female-female partners and male-male partners. That'd be interesting. The challenges could have male partner teams join female partner teams to compete in missions.But, in exile it'd be male partner teams vs male partner teams, and vice-versa.That's be something else! lol[/QUOTE]
Are my eyes deceiving me?? Am I actually looking at an Evan/Kenny/Johnny/Derrick compliment, or at least somewhat of a compliment from kdub?? And I may be agreeing with you on something, but not fully, so don't get your hopes up ;) I think that Derrick and Johnny may possibly be able to beat Kenny, but personally I think neither of them really stand a chance against Evan. He just seems to be a monster when it comes to physical challenges and I just can't see them beating him.
As to the format you would like to see for FM3, I personally think that wouldn't be such a great idea. It just takes me back to Battle of the Sexes where almost every single mission was male dominated. I just doubt it will ever happen. It would just be a horrible format.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;208461]Are my eyes deceiving me?? Am I actually looking at an Evan/Kenny/Johnny/Derrick compliment, or at least somewhat of a compliment from kdub?? And I may be agreeing with you on something, but not fully, so don't get your hopes up ;) I think that Derrick and Johnny may possibly be able to beat Kenny, but personally I think neither of them really stand a chance against Evan. He just seems to be a monster when it comes to physical challenges and I just can't see them beating him.
As to the format you would like to see for FM3, I personally think that wouldn't be such a great idea. It just takes me back to Battle of the Sexes where almost every single mission was male dominated. I just doubt it will ever happen. It would just be a horrible format.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. He (evan) did prove himself on the Duel 2. I think it would be interesting to see a Kenny-Johnny elimination tho. But the only ppl i'd call strong from their group is Derrick and Evan. But it's been a while since we've seen the old beast Derrick so idk, while Evan did win about 4 elinination rounds n the whole Duel 2, beating Brad. So i'd guess if I had to put them in order from strongest to weakest, based on most recent scores, it'd be Evan, Derrick, Kenny, Johnny :))
[QUOTE=fabulous788;208461]Are my eyes deceiving me?? Am I actually looking at an Evan/Kenny/Johnny/Derrick compliment, or at least somewhat of a compliment from kdub?? And I may be agreeing with you on something, but not fully, so don't get your hopes up ;) I think that Derrick and Johnny may possibly be able to beat Kenny, but personally I think neither of them really stand a chance against Evan. He just seems to be a monster when it comes to physical challenges and I just can't see them beating him.
As to the format you would like to see for FM3, I personally think that wouldn't be such a great idea. It just takes me back to Battle of the Sexes where almost every single mission was male dominated. I just doubt it will ever happen. It would just be a horrible format.[/QUOTE]
I meant that for each mission there would be immunity for male teams and a prize for the female team and the exiles would alternate with male-female-male-female. It is alot harder if two males/females leave because there may be relationships and it could result in drama! And the elimination rounds would be killer! lol
New & improved Top 25 lists for both [U][COLOR=blue]males[/COLOR][/U] and [COLOR=red][U]females [/U][/COLOR]of the RW/RR Challenges (with a Bubble/Wild Card format)
[B][U]The lists of top 25 consists of the following:[/U][/B]
- Competitors who have won many challenges
- Competitors who have a good elimination record
- Competitors who performed well in missions
- Competitors who had a good rookie debut
- Competitors who have experience
- Competitors who were runner-up and peformed well enough
[B]Top 25[/B] [B][COLOR=blue]Males[/COLOR][/B] [B]List [/B]
01. Landon Leuck
02. Mark Long
03. C.T Tamburello
04. Evan Starkman
05. Mike Mizanin
06. Alton Williams
07. Dan Setzler
08. Timmy Beggy
09. Darrell Taylor
10. Derrick Kosinski
11. Abram Boise
12. Theo Vonkurnatowski
13. Kenny Santucci
14. Brad Fiorenza
15. Eric Nies
16. Jamie Murray
17. Wes Bergmann
18. Shane Landrum
19. Johny Devenanzio
20. Frank Roessler
21. M.J Garrett
22. Syrus Yarbrough
23. Adam Larson
24. Randy Barry
25. David Burns
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Colin Mortenson
27. Dunbar Flinn
28. James Orlando
29. Pete Conolly
30. Adam King
31. Ryan Kehoe
32. Eric Banks
33. Cohutta Grindstaff
34. Nehemiah Clark
35. Chadwick Pelletier
36. Derek McCray
37. Ace Amerson
38. Tyrie Ballard
39. Nathan Blackburn
40. Noor Jehangir
41. Dave Guintoli
[B][COLOR=black]Top 25 [COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR] List[/COLOR][/B]
01. Evelyn Smith
02. Jodi Weatherton
03. Rachel Robinson
04. Susie Meister
05. Veronica Portillo
06. Aneesa Ferreira
07. Coral Smith
08. Holly Shand
09. Tina Barta
10. Kina Dean
11. Jillian Zoboroski
12. Jenn Grijalva
13. Ruthie Alcaide
14. Sarah Greyson
15. Diem Brown
16. Robin Hibbard
17. KellyAnne Judd
18. Tori Hall
19. Laurel Stucky
20. Emily Bailey
21. Beth Stolarcyzk
22. Cara Zavaleta
23. Brittini Sherod
24. Paula Meronek
25. Sarah Rice
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Svetlana Shusterman
27. Johanna Botta
28. Aviv Melmed
29. Jamie Chung
30. Tonya Cooley
31. Katie Doyle
32. Roni Martin
33. Ellen Cho
34. Holly Brentson
35. Kendal Sheppard
36. Kimberly Alexander
37. Ibis Nieves
38. Christena Pyle
39. Julie Stoffer
40. Sophia Pasquis
41. Jannelle Casanave
42. Carley Johnson
43. Rachel Moyal
@reality toast:
the list is improved...however, idk about Evan being better than Alton! lol. I don't care how many challenges Evan has done.lol.
Could you make a list with just real world and road rules alumni and no fresh meat? pretty please...with sugar on top?
[QUOTE=fabulous788;208461]Are my eyes deceiving me?? Am I actually looking at an Evan/Kenny/Johnny/Derrick compliment, or at least somewhat of a compliment from kdub?? And I may be agreeing with you on something, but not fully, so don't get your hopes up ;) I think that Derrick and Johnny may possibly be able to beat Kenny, but personally I think neither of them really stand a chance against Evan. He just seems to be a monster when it comes to physical challenges and I just can't see them beating him.
As to the format you would like to see for FM3, I personally think that wouldn't be such a great idea. It just takes me back to Battle of the Sexes where almost every single mission was male dominated. I just doubt it will ever happen. It would just be a horrible format.[/QUOTE]
lol! I still don't like Evan, Johnny and Kenny! I think Evan and Kenny are over-estimated. Kenny is good athlete. evan is a great athlete. But I meant as a whole, JEKD are more athletic than individual competitors. And if they are all together they have numbers. Its crazy how they try to control the games with numbers. I would probably change my opinion of them if they volunteer to go into an elim. round and take people back. I'm sick of the skating to the end and pretending to be superheroes! They are Super-Zeros!LOL...Rich Super-zeros! Wow I LOATHE them!
Thing is if anyone here was on a Challenge and they'd have the chance to dominate a challenge like JEKD do..they'd do it. I dont blame Derrick at all, he's won 3 challenges in a row since joining up with them.
[QUOTE][B]07. Dan Setzler[/B]
[B]08. Timmy Beggy [/B]
[B]09. Darrell Taylor [/B]
[B]10. Derrick Kosinski [/B]
[B]11. Abram Boise [/B]
[B]12. Theo Vonkurnatowski [/B]
[B]13. Kenny Santucci [/B]
[B]14. Brad Fiorenza [/B]
[B]15. Eric Nies [/B]
[B]16. Jamie Murray[/B] [/QUOTE]
1) Dan(RR5) doesn't belong over Timmy. Timmy proved he was a stronger competitor than both Abram and Derrick. Timmy also should be top four on the list.
2) Theo and Dan(RR5) should be next to each other because they were on par as competitors. Both were top ten competitors all time even though they never went into an elimination round.
3) Theo should be ranked higher than Abram, Darrell, and Derrick. He was a superior competitor(he proved it on the Gauntlet, and BOTS 2) to all three even though he never went into an elimination round.
4) You have Kenny ranked over Brad. Brad proved himself as a competitor WAY more than Kenny has. What has Kenny ever done? He just won those two lifesavers on the Inferno 3. Yes he won on three challenges but the only one that he earned was the Inferno 3 victory.
5) You have Eric ranked over Jamie.(not to mention Eric should not be fifthteenth) Jamie outpreformed Eric on the BOTS 1 and made the final three. He was way more skilled and valuable as a competitor. Eric only made it to the final of the BOTS 2 because he had an alliance with Mark and Dan(RR5), aswell as Mark sacrificing himself for the team.
[QUOTE]17. [B]Wes Bergmann[/B]
18. Shane Landrum
19. [B]Johny Devenanzio[/B]
20. Frank Roessler
21. M.J Garrett
22. [B]Syrus Yarbrough[/B]
23. [B]Adam Larson[/B]
[/QUOTE]
1) Wes should be in the top fifthteen. He also should be ranked over Derrick since he defeated him.
2) Johnny should not be ranked over Frank. Again, you can't just base it on winning when the competitor didn't earn the win. He only earned a win on the Ruins.
3) Syrus should not be ranked over Adam(RR). Adam performance on the Gauntlet 1(he was on par with Theo as a competitor) is better than any performance Syrus did in a challenge.
[QUOTE]
[B][B]31. Ryan Kehoe[/B] [/B]
[B]32. Eric Banks [/B]
[B]33. Cohutta Grindstaff [/B]
[B]34. Nehemiah Clark[/B]
[/QUOTE]
Ryan should not be ranked over any of the three competitors. They all proved to be better competitor than Ryan. What has Ryan ever won?
[QUOTE]
01. Landon Leuck
05. Mike Mizanin
06. Alton Williams
[/QUOTE]
1) Miz should not be ranked over Alton. Alton outperformed Miz on the Gauntlet 1, and Miz even said "I think you're the best in the Gauntlet".
2) Landon should not be ranked over Alton. Alton was a superior competitor on the Gauntlet 2 to Landon and Landon even said it. Landon is just physical prowess, he hasn't shown anything outside of that. Alton is the same, and Alton is superior to Landon in terms of pure physical prowess.
[QUOTE=Superboy;208522]1) Dan(RR5) doesn't belong over Timmy. Timmy proved he was a stronger competitor than both Abram and Derrick. Timmy also should be top four on the list.
2) Theo and Dan(RR5) should be next to each other because they were on par as competitors. Both were top ten competitors all time even though they never went into an elimination round.
3) Theo should be ranked higher than Abram, Darrell, and Derrick. He was a superior competitor(he proved it on the Gauntlet, and BOTS 2) to all three even tough he never went into an elimination round.
4) You have Kenny ranked over Brad. Brad proved himself as a competitor WAY more than Kenny has. What has Kenny ever done? He just won those two lifesavers on the Inferno 3. Yes he won on three challenges but the only one that he earned was the Inferno 3 victory.
5) You have Eric ranked over Jamie.(not to mention Eric should not be fifthteenth) Jamie outpreformed Eric on the BOTS 1 and made the final three. He was way more skilled and valuable as a competitor. Eric only made it to the final of the BOTS 2 because he had an alliance with Mark and Dan(RR5), aswell as Mark sacrificing himself for the team.[/QUOTE]
1) I honestly don't think Timmy deserves a #4 spot, I think he is right at his position right now.
2) 3) Theo never really proved as much as Derrick has, Derrick has gone in to 9 elimination rounds and won 6, Theo only gone in once and lossed. Derrick also has more challenge season wins as well as mission wins.
4) Brad hasn't done anything special lately. He has been runner-up material, but never won.. He was placed second on both individual missions (the Duel and Duel 2) and lossed on the G3 cause of Big Easy. He isn't better than Kenny, Kenny has the decent slight edge between the two.
5) Both Eric and Jamie are good competitors, which I don't remember a lot cause that was years ago. But I thought they were both very good players.. so when I order and re-see BOTSI, I will determine who was better that challenge.
[QUOTE]1) I honestly don't think Timmy deserves a #4 spot, I think he is right at his position right now.[/QUOTE]
How can that be when again he proved he was stronger than Abram and Derrick, he was the leader and best competitor on the Road Rules team on the Inferno 1, and the leader of the Inferno 3 good guys team(over Alton), and proved he was just if not a better climber than Alton when he got a time of 37 seconds on the climbing wall mission, SMOKING every over competitor.
[QUOTE]2) 3) Theo never really proved as much as Derrick has, Derrick has gone in to 9 elimination rounds and won 6, Theo only gone in once and lossed. Derrick also has more challenge season wins as well as mission wins.[/QUOTE]
Theo was one of the stronger players on the Battle of the Seasons, outperforming the Miz in missions, and once again outperformed the Miz on the Gauntlet and the BOTS 2. And in particarly the BOTS 2 which was one of the hardest challenges to make it to the end of if you were a male because there was no score board.....if you messed up in one mission, you were out. Theo and Dan(RR5) were said to be the two best players and performed "flawlessly" as Eric(RW:1) stated. Theo not winning as much as Derrick doesn't mean anything because he wasn't on as much challenges as Derrick, plus his BOTS 2 victory is better than any victory Derrick achieved. Theo also lost a team elimination round, not an individual elimination round. Theo was stronger than Derrick, and even a better athlete even though he was much bigger. You also have Dan(RR5) over Derrick, when again, Dan(RR5) and Theo were on par as competiors and I know this because of the Battle of the Seasons(they both beat in other in individual events), and the BOTS 2 were they both performed the best and made it to the final three.
[QUOTE]Brad hasn't done anything special lately. He has been runner-up material, but never won.. He was placed second on both individual missions (the Duel and Duel 2) and lossed on the G3 cause of Big Easy. He isn't better than Kenny, Kenny has the decent slight edge between the two.
[/QUOTE]
Brad made it far on the BOTS 2(he should of been the last guy to leave, he was better than Eric(RW:1)), which again was one of the hardest challenges to make it to the end of. He beat Eric(Fresh Meat), MJ, and pulled off a victory over Landon which was the biggest upset in challenge history. He made it further than Kenny on the Duel 1, and was top four on the Duel 2. Brad has more heart than Kenny(Kenny is a coward), and is a much better overall competitor and he proved that as I stated. Sure he never won a challenge(though that may change with Cut Throat), but the only challenge victory Kenny earned was the Inferno 3.
[QUOTE]Both Eric and Jamie are good competitors, which I don't remember a lot cause that was years ago. But I thought they were both very good players.. so when I order and re-see BOTSI, I will determine who was better that challenge.[/QUOTE]
Jamie was a great competitor, and all you have to do is look at the score board of the BOTS 1 on Wiki and see that Jamie finished WAY ahead with more points than Eric.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_World/Road_Rules_Challenge:_Battle_of_the_Sexes[/URL]
[QUOTE=RealityToast;208524]1) I honestly don't think Timmy deserves a #4 spot, I think he is right at his position right now.
2) 3) Theo never really proved as much as Derrick has, Derrick has gone in to 9 elimination rounds and won 6, Theo only gone in once and lossed. Derrick also has more challenge season wins as well as mission wins.
4) Brad hasn't done anything special lately. He has been runner-up material, but never won.. He was placed second on both individual missions (the Duel and Duel 2) and lossed on the G3 cause of Big Easy. He isn't better than Kenny, Kenny has the decent slight edge between the two.
5) Both Eric and Jamie are good competitors, which I don't remember a lot cause that was years ago. But I thought they were both very good players.. so when I order and re-see BOTSI, I will determine who was better that challenge.[/QUOTE]
Nehemiah beat Kenny in the Duel. Kenny wins in teams. He has yet to win a 1-on-1. He didn't even win a face-off.At the time, when Davis was younger, he probably could have taken Kenny. And Ryan sucks! How dare you put him above Cohutta! Have you bumped your head. Cohutta is fast, nimble and smart!He also got a bit of muscle on him. He beat Wes and Syrus.Ryan shouldn't be on the list period! Brad outperformed Kenny on the Duel. Kenny lost to Nehemiah and won a challenge because everyone was targeting Wes (or somebody). He got lucky. Brad won a challenge because of skill and speed! And he won his duel, despite the fact that ct was dq'ed!(A win by default is better than a loss, in this situation, because really the odds were stacked in CT's favor). Kenny just got handled. Kenny has yet to prove himself in an elimination round. Abram outperformed him in a face-off(not a real elimination round). He has yet to win a 1-on-1 round. Nehemiah has won 1 duel and 2 gauntlets. Brad has been unlucky lol. On Gauntlet 2 he was the last person Derrick sent home; he wasn't good with the trivia. On the duel, wes got a timed headstart for kicking a soccer ball into a goal; i can't remember if wes was a soccer player or not. On the Gauntlet 3..BIG EASY. On the Duel 2, Brad beat MJ and Landon and lost the final because his legs started cramping up.On the ruins, he got sent home for fighting! There's a possibility he could've beat any champion guy.There's always a possibility.He's lighter, leaner and quick so I think he could've taken any one of them in the Muay Thai ruins(the bamboo-kicking ruins).He also got sent home very very close to the end on BOTS2, and The Inferno 2. What a bummer!
[QUOTE][B]Could you make a list with just real world and road rules alumni and no fresh meat? pretty please...with sugar on top?[/B] [/QUOTE]
Finally somewhere else sees.....
[QUOTE=kdub90;208527]Nehemiah beat Kenny in the Duel. Kenny wins in teams. He has yet to win a 1-on-1. He didn't even win a face-off.At the time, when Davis was younger, he probably could have taken Kenny. And Ryan sucks! How dare you put him above Cohutta! Have you bumped your head. Cohutta is fast, nimble and smart!He also got a bit of muscle on him. He beat Wes and Syrus.Ryan shouldn't be on the list period! Brad outperformed Kenny on the Duel. Kenny lost to Nehemiah and won a challenge because everyone was targeting Wes (or somebody). He got lucky. Brad won a challenge because of skill and speed! And he won his duel, despite the fact that ct was dq'ed!(A win by default is better than a loss, in this situation, because really the odds were stacked in CT's favor). Kenny just got handled. Kenny has yet to prove himself in an elimination round. Abram outperformed him in a face-off(not a real elimination round). He has yet to win a 1-on-1 round. Nehemiah has won 1 duel and 2 gauntlets. Brad has been unlucky lol. On Gauntlet 2 he was the last person Derrick sent home; he wasn't good with the trivia. On the duel, wes got a timed headstart for kicking a soccer ball into a goal; i can't remember if wes was a soccer player or not. On the Gauntlet 3..BIG EASY. On the Duel 2, Brad beat MJ and Landon and lost the final because his legs started cramping up.On the ruins, he got sent home for fighting! There's a possibility he could've beat any champion guy.There's always a possibility.He's lighter, leaner and quick so I think he could've taken any one of them in the Muay Thai ruins(the bamboo-kicking ruins).He also got sent home very very close to the end on BOTS2, and The Inferno 2. What a bummer![/QUOTE]
hmmmm, i don't remember Brad's leg cramping up in the Duel finals. I'll have to watch that again.
But Brad is a great competitor, hands down. He's good, it just never worked out for him, but I always thought he stayed true to himself, unlike Derrick, but he always loses, that's the price u pay most times for staying true to urself.
Anyone knows anywhere I can find and watch all the older challenges?
[QUOTE=RealityToast;208524]1) I honestly don't think Timmy deserves a #4 spot, I think he is right at his position right now.
2) 3) Theo never really proved as much as Derrick has, Derrick has gone in to 9 elimination rounds and won 6, Theo only gone in once and lossed. Derrick also has more challenge season wins as well as mission wins.
4) Brad hasn't done anything special lately. He has been runner-up material, but never won.. He was placed second on both individual missions (the Duel and Duel 2) and lossed on the G3 cause of Big Easy. He isn't better than Kenny, Kenny has the decent slight edge between the two.
5) Both Eric and Jamie are good competitors, which I don't remember a lot cause that was years ago. But I thought they were both very good players.. so when I order and re-see BOTSI, I will determine who was better that challenge.[/QUOTE]
I agree for the most part except just because a player lost 1 elimination round to somebody doesn't mean the person that lost is automatically weaker overall than the person he lost to. I mean Wes lost to Cohutta, does that make Cohutta stronger than Wes overall ? Heck no. Just like I think Derrick and Abram are both better overall than Timmy even though Timmy beat Derrick and got DQed vs. Abram or he would've probably beat him as well. I don't think Reverse Tug of War (which clearly Timmy had the advantage in before it even started) and who can smash a bunch of glass the fastest makes you a better overall competitor.
New & improved Top 25 lists for both [U][COLOR=blue]males[/COLOR][/U] and [COLOR=red][U]females [/U][/COLOR]of the RW/RR Challenges (with a Bubble/Wild Card format)
edited the list, help from [B]Superboy[/B]
[B]Top 25[/B] [B][COLOR=blue]Males[/COLOR][/B] [B]List [/B]
01. Landon Leuck
02. Mark Long
03. C.T Tamburello
04. Evan Starkman
05. Alton Williams
06. Mike Mizanin
07. Timmy Beggy
08. Dan Seltzer
09. Darrell Taylor
10. Derrick Kosinski
11. Abram Boise
12. Theo Vonkurnatowski
13. Kenny Santucci
14. Jamie Murray
15. Eric Nies
16. Brad Fiorenza
17. Wes Bergmann
18. Shane Landrum
19. Johny Devenanzio
20. Frank Roessler
21. M.J Garrett
22. Syrus Yarbrough
23. Adam Larson
24. Randy Barry
25. David Burns
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Colin Mortenson
27. Dunbar Flinn
28. James Orlando
29. Pete Conolly
30. Adam King
31. Nehemiah Clark
32. Cohutta Grindstaff
33. Eric Banks
34. Ryan Kehoe
35. Chadwick Pelletier
36. Derek McCray
37. Ace Amerson
38. Tyrie Ballard
39. Nathan Blackburn
40. Noor Jehangir
41. Dave Guintoli
[B][COLOR=black]Top 25 [COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR] List[/COLOR][/B]
01. Evelyn Smith
02. Jodi Weatherton
03. Rachel Robinson
04. Susie Meister
05. Veronica Portillo
06. Aneesa Ferreira
07. Coral Smith
08. Holly Shand
09. Tina Barta
10. Kina Dean
11. Jillian Zoboroski
12. Ruthie Alcaide
13. Diem Brown
14. Sarah Greyson
15. Jenn Grijalva
16. Robin Hibbard
17. KellyAnne Judd
18. Tori Hall
19. Laurel Stucky
20. Emily Bailey
21. Beth Stolarcyzk
22. Cara Zavaleta
23. Brittini Sherod
24. Paula Meronek
25. Sarah Rice
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Svetlana Shusterman
27. Johanna Botta
28. Aviv Melmed
29. Jamie Chung
30. Tonya Cooley
31. Katie Doyle
32. Roni Martin
33. Ellen Cho
34. Holly Brentson
35. Kendal Sheppard
36. Kimberly Alexander
37. Ibis Nieves
38. Christena Pyle
39. Julie Stoffer
40. Sophia Pasquis
41. Jannelle Casanave
42. Carley Johnson
43. Rachel Moyal
I still didn't switch Wes and Derrick.. only because Derrick lost to him, doesn't mean anything.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;208532]hmmmm, i don't remember Brad's leg cramping up in the Duel finals. I'll have to watch that again.
But Brad is a great competitor, hands down. He's good, it just never worked out for him, but I always thought he stayed true to himself, unlike Derrick, but he always loses, that's the price u pay most times for staying true to urself.
Anyone knows anywhere I can find and watch all the older challenges?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, I am mistaken, but I seem to remember Brad having to continually stop and massage his leg because he didn't "want to permanently damage his leg". His leg was either about to give out or got severely cramped/fatigued. He was finding it hard to run with his leg(s) in that situation. Maybe I'm wrong though.
[QUOTE=RealityToast;208565]New & improved Top 25 lists for both [U][COLOR=blue]males[/COLOR][/U] and [COLOR=red][U]females [/U][/COLOR]of the RW/RR Challenges (with a Bubble/Wild Card format)
edited the list, help from [B]Superboy[/B]
[B]Top 25[/B] [B][COLOR=blue]Males[/COLOR][/B] [B]List [/B]
01. Landon Leuck
02. Mark Long
03. C.T Tamburello
04. Evan Starkman
05. Alton Williams
06. Mike Mizanin
07. Timmy Beggy
08. Dan Seltzer
09. Darrell Taylor
10. Derrick Kosinski
11. Abram Boise
12. Theo Vonkurnatowski
13. Kenny Santucci
14. Jamie Murray
15. Eric Nies
16. Brad Fiorenza
17. Wes Bergmann
18. Shane Landrum
19. Johny Devenanzio
20. Frank Roessler
21. M.J Garrett
22. Syrus Yarbrough
23. Adam Larson
24. Randy Barry
25. David Burns
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Colin Mortenson
27. Dunbar Flinn
28. James Orlando
29. Pete Conolly
30. Adam King
31. Nehemiah Clark
32. Cohutta Grindstaff
33. Eric Banks
34. Ryan Kehoe
35. Chadwick Pelletier
36. Derek McCray
37. Ace Amerson
38. Tyrie Ballard
39. Nathan Blackburn
40. Noor Jehangir
41. Dave Guintoli
[B][COLOR=black]Top 25 [COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR] List[/COLOR][/B]
01. Evelyn Smith
02. Jodi Weatherton
03. Rachel Robinson
04. Susie Meister
05. Veronica Portillo
06. Aneesa Ferreira
07. Coral Smith
08. Holly Shand
09. Tina Barta
10. Kina Dean
11. Jillian Zoboroski
12. Ruthie Alcaide
13. Diem Brown
14. Sarah Greyson
15. Jenn Grijalva
16. Robin Hibbard
17. KellyAnne Judd
18. Tori Hall
19. Laurel Stucky
20. Emily Bailey
21. Beth Stolarcyzk
22. Cara Zavaleta
23. Brittini Sherod
24. Paula Meronek
25. Sarah Rice
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Svetlana Shusterman
27. Johanna Botta
28. Aviv Melmed
29. Jamie Chung
30. Tonya Cooley
31. Katie Doyle
32. Roni Martin
33. Ellen Cho
34. Holly Brentson
35. Kendal Sheppard
36. Kimberly Alexander
37. Ibis Nieves
38. Christena Pyle
39. Julie Stoffer
40. Sophia Pasquis
41. Jannelle Casanave
42. Carley Johnson
43. Rachel Moyal
[B]I still didn't switch Wes and Derrick.. only because Derrick lost to him, doesn't mean anything.[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly , take the pole away and Derrick would've kicked his *** bad. Derrick outwrestled Wes even with the pole, it's just Wes was bigger and took the pole away and that was the name of the game.
[QUOTE=kdub90;208440]OH! That makes sense. But Wes still won 3 challenges on the duel. He included none of them.
And Wes didn't have a chance to win lifeshield/lifesaver or anything on the ruins. and he had ****** partners on both fresh meats. he's only been on 4 challenges total!
what a bummer.
If this was an elimination list I'd be laughing at Kenny! hahah.
Out of 5 challenges:The Duel 1, The Inferno 3, The Gauntlet III, The Duel 2, The Ruins (Not including FM1&2 andThe Island/because of no individual1-on-1 elimination rounds)
WINS/LOSSES:
Kenny:0-1=Beat nobody/Loss to Nehemiah- out of 4 challenges.
Johnny:1-2=Beat Dunbar/Loss to Tyler, Loss to Evan- out of 4 challenges.
Evan 4-1=Beat Johnny, Beat Davis, Beat Nehemiah, Beat Derek/Loss to CT-out of 4 challenges
Evan's record is pretty amazing!Especially for an original fresh meat.[/QUOTE]
Wes won 5 exiles in fresh meat 1 but he didn't win any mission, Evan won 5 missions in fresh meat 1, he won 5 missions in the duel 1, in the gauntlet 3 he eliminated Johnny, in the duel 2 he won 2 missions, eliminated davis, nemeiah and derek and won the final mission
[QUOTE=RealityToast;208565]New & improved Top 25 lists for both [U][COLOR=blue]males[/COLOR][/U] and [COLOR=red][U]females [/U][/COLOR]of the RW/RR Challenges (with a Bubble/Wild Card format)
edited the list, help from [B]Superboy[/B]
[B]Top 25[/B] [B][COLOR=blue]Males[/COLOR][/B] [B]List [/B]
01. Landon Leuck
02. Mark Long
03. C.T Tamburello
04. Evan Starkman
05. Alton Williams
06. Mike Mizanin
07. Timmy Beggy
08. Dan Seltzer
09. Darrell Taylor
10. Derrick Kosinski
11. Abram Boise
12. Theo Vonkurnatowski
13. Kenny Santucci
14. Jamie Murray
15. Eric Nies
16. Brad Fiorenza
17. Wes Bergmann
18. Shane Landrum
19. Johny Devenanzio
20. Frank Roessler
21. M.J Garrett
22. Syrus Yarbrough
23. Adam Larson
24. Randy Barry
25. David Burns
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Colin Mortenson
27. Dunbar Flinn
28. James Orlando
29. Pete Conolly
30. Adam King
31. Nehemiah Clark
32. Cohutta Grindstaff
33. Eric Banks
34. Ryan Kehoe
35. Chadwick Pelletier
36. Derek McCray
37. Ace Amerson
38. Tyrie Ballard
39. Nathan Blackburn
40. Noor Jehangir
41. Dave Guintoli
[B][COLOR=black]Top 25 [COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR] List[/COLOR][/B]
01. Evelyn Smith
02. Jodi Weatherton
03. Rachel Robinson
04. Susie Meister
05. Veronica Portillo
06. Aneesa Ferreira
07. Coral Smith
08. Holly Shand
09. Tina Barta
10. Kina Dean
11. Jillian Zoboroski
12. Ruthie Alcaide
13. Diem Brown
14. Sarah Greyson
15. Jenn Grijalva
16. Robin Hibbard
17. KellyAnne Judd
18. Tori Hall
19. Laurel Stucky
20. Emily Bailey
21. Beth Stolarcyzk
22. Cara Zavaleta
23. Brittini Sherod
24. Paula Meronek
25. Sarah Rice
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Svetlana Shusterman
27. Johanna Botta
28. Aviv Melmed
29. Jamie Chung
30. Tonya Cooley
31. Katie Doyle
32. Roni Martin
33. Ellen Cho
34. Holly Brentson
35. Kendal Sheppard
36. Kimberly Alexander
37. Ibis Nieves
38. Christena Pyle
39. Julie Stoffer
40. Sophia Pasquis
41. Jannelle Casanave
42. Carley Johnson
43. Rachel Moyal
I still didn't switch Wes and Derrick.. only because Derrick lost to him, doesn't mean anything.[/QUOTE]
1)Wes outwrestled Derrick! Point blank. He had more gas in the tank.
2)How is Tori above Sarah, and how is Paula above Sarah?
3)Don't you think Sarah Rice should be one above Kellyanne?
4)How is Ryan Kehoe a wild card?
5)Besides winning The Duel 2, how is Evan better than Alton?Alton has done only 3 challenges. He has taken people out on every one of them. Made it to the finals on all 3 and won Gauntlet 2! Also, look at his elimination record.How is Evan above Alton?
Please answer these questions.
I don't understand why lists are being made. Everyone can go with facts but the weight of the facts are very debatable. Example: Wes beat Derrick in pole wrestle but we know that pole wrestle is nothing wrestling, an event Derrick would have beat Wes at. Also, CT is physically stronger then Wes and will beat Wes 9 out of 10 times but that 1 point wes has is swimming. You all can says "facts this and facts that" but it's still all an opinion. Move on.
[QUOTE=kdub90;208570]1)Wes outwrestled Derrick! Point blank. He had more gas in the tank.
2)How is Tori above Sarah, and how is Paula above Sarah?
3)Don't you think Sarah Rice should be one above Kellyanne?
4)How is Ryan Kehoe a wild card?
5)Besides winning The Duel 2, how is Evan better than Alton?Alton has done only 3 challenges. He has taken people out on every one of them. Made it to the finals on all 3 and won Gauntlet 2! Also, look at his elimination record.How is Evan above Alton?
Please answer these questions.[/QUOTE]
1. Wes in my opinion isn't even that good of a competitor, yes he has taken out Derrick in pole wrestle. That is all Wes has accomplished over Derrick and his elimination record.. not to mention that Wes and Casey had less baggage than everybody else by a good amount. There is a reason why Wes lossed to Evelyn and Luke. Cause they had the same amount of weight, if that was the same for FMI.. Wes wouldn't have all those wins, he would've lossed for sure. Derrick has more challenge wins and Wes hasn't been doing anything special lately. Ask Adrian!!!, Derrick is better! clearly better!
2. Again.. Sarah hasn't proved to be better than any of them, honestly you are pretty dumb when it comes to challenge talk. Tori won her first challenge season and was 5th place in the Duel 2 out of thirteen competitors. I dont like Tori to be honest, I feel like she is a b**** .. especially in the G3 when she kept on sending in Jillian and Frank.. She is better than Sarah, so is Paula. Paula is a challenge veteran and got screwed like other people in the Island and G3 to get the win. So if Sarah makes the finals in Cutthroat and performs well, goes in and wins a couple of more eliminations. Then I will consider her better than Paula, but Tori not yet.. she has to win and outperform her.
3. No.. Kelly Anne is a good mission competitor, so is Sarah.. but lets face the facts. Kelly Anne is better athletically and beat veterans Rachel and Robin in a face-off in the Island.
4. Ryan has played the social aspect well, he made it to the finals in the Island and was eliminated last in FMII and also made a decent performance in the G3 by taking out Derek McCray. So he is just a decent competitor, I say!
5. Alton's elimination record is 5-0, while Evan's elimination record is 4-1 which is very close. But then I looked at mission/partner wins, Evan has 13 along with C.T. Both C.T and Evan are mission machines! (the most in challenge history)
C.T - 13 wins (4 on the Inferno; 6 on the Inferno II; 3 on the Duel)
Evan - 13 wins (5 on Fresh Meat; 6 on the Duel; 2 on the Duel 2)
Alton - 5 wins (4 on the Gauntlet; 1 on the Inferno 3)
Not so close is it! You can't complain because if Alton was so good he should of got 5 lifeshields or 6 fresh look eye savers like Evan did in the Duel or FMI. In one solo challenge he got 6 by himself competing against 9 other competitors. All Alton had to do was outperform four of his male teammates on the Inferno 3, but he didn't.
[QUOTE=kdub90;208570]1)[B]Wes outwrestled Derrick! Point blank. He had more gas in the tank.[/B]
2)How is Tori above Sarah, and how is Paula above Sarah?
3)Don't you think Sarah Rice should be one above Kellyanne?
4)How is Ryan Kehoe a wild card?
5)Besides winning The Duel 2, how is Evan better than Alton?Alton has done only 3 challenges. He has taken people out on every one of them. Made it to the finals on all 3 and won Gauntlet 2! Also, look at his elimination record.How is Evan above Alton?
Please answer these questions.[/QUOTE]
He didn't outwrestle Derrick, he was stronger and bigger but if you watch it again Derrick outwrestled him .. In fact there was a time that Derrick was completely on top of Wes and TJ respotted them in the center for some reason. There was also a time where Derrick done some kind of wrestling move and had Wes completely up side down and then Derrick slammed Wes on his back. Wes did some decent moves himself but not as much as what Derrick done to him. Wes had more stamina at the end because he was in better condition and just flatout bigger and stronger (some say he was taking performance enhancers) than Derrick but he in no way outwrestled Derrick. However, he did take the pole away from Derrick and that's all that matters.
How about everybody's challenge seasons list?
[U][B]My[/B] [B]Favorite to Least Favorite Seasons List[/B][/U]
My list starts from the Inferno II, even though I started seeing the challenges since the Gauntlet I. The reason I start from Inferno II is because I just bought the I2 and G2 dvds online and I am re-watching them, I don't remember much from the previous seasons.. So I will just add them later to my list when I buy them online.
(The Gauntlet, The Inferno, and BOTS2 later added)
[B]Favorite Season[/B]
1. The Inferno II
[B]Honorable Mentions[/B]
2. The Gauntlet 2
3. The Duel
[B]Good, but not Great[/B]
4. The Inferno 3
5. The Ruins
6. The Duel 2
[B]Decent Seasons[/B]
7. Fresh Meat
8. Fresh Meat II
9. The Island
[B]Boring/Dissapointing[/B]
10. The Gauntlet 3
What are your lists? Please make one.
My predictions for Cutthroat is to be listed #4 right behind the Duel.
@ Reality Toast:
I have to many vevmo infractions to continue bickering with you.Fresh Meat competition wins are partner wins; not individual wins.Alton and Evan have never competed head-to-head, not to mention been on a challenge together. Lets just agree to disagree. And foreget the list thing. You obviously are a Paula and Evan fan, and that's not fair. So, please, let's agree to disagree and stop this back-and-forth nonsense. Thankyou!
[QUOTE=RealityToast;208584]How about everybody's challenge seasons list?
[U][B]My[/B] [B]Favorite to Least Favorite Seasons List[/B][/U]
My list starts from the Inferno II, even though I started seeing the challenges since the Gauntlet I. The reason I start from Inferno II is because I just bought the I2 and G2 dvds online and I am re-watching them, I don't remember much from the previous seasons.. So I will just add them later to my list when I buy them online.
(The Gauntlet, The Inferno, and BOTS2 later added)
[B]Favorite Season[/B]
1. The Inferno II
[B]Honorable Mentions[/B]
2. The Gauntlet 2
3. The Duel
[B]Good, but not Great[/B]
4. The Inferno 3
5. The Ruins
6. The Duel 2
[B]Decent Seasons[/B]
7. Fresh Meat
8. Fresh Meat II
9. The Island
[B]Boring/Dissapointing[/B]
10. The Gauntlet 3
What are your lists? Please make one.[/QUOTE]
1. Inferno 2
2. The Gauntlet 2
3. The Duel
4. The Ruins
5. The Inferno 1
6. The Gauntlet 1
7. Battle of the Seasons
8. Fresh Meat
9. Battle of the Sexes 2
10. Inferno 3 (Call me crazy but I actually liked it)
And I definitely agree, the Gauntlet 3 was really terrible IMO.
[QUOTE=kdub90;208586]@ Reality Toast:
I have to many vevmo infractions to continue bickering with you.Fresh Meat competition wins are partner wins; not individual wins.Alton and Evan have never competed head-to-head, not to mention been on a challenge together. Lets just agree to disagree. And foreget the list thing. You obviously are a Paula and Evan fan, and that's not fair. So, please, let's agree to disagree and stop this back-and-forth nonsense. Thankyou![/QUOTE]
I think Paula is average for me, and if you look at my list on page 801 on this thread I had Evan 12, I switched him to #4 after I saw his incredible mission wins.
I think Evan is alright as well, not a huge fan though.
Out of the challenges that I have seen my favorites are:
1. Duel
2. Fresh Meat II
3. Gauntlet 3
4. Gauntlet 2
5. Fresh Meat
6. The Ruins
7. Duel 2
8. Inferno 3
9. The Island
From what I've seen so far from the teasers, I'm expecting Cut Throat to be pretty high up on the list as well.
[QUOTE=RealityToast;208565]New & improved Top 25 lists for both [U][COLOR=blue]males[/COLOR][/U] and [COLOR=red][U]females [/U][/COLOR]of the RW/RR Challenges (with a Bubble/Wild Card format)
edited the list, help from [B]Superboy[/B]
[B]Top 25[/B] [B][COLOR=blue]Males[/COLOR][/B] [B]List [/B]
01. Landon Leuck
02. Mark Long
03. C.T Tamburello
04. Evan Starkman
05. Alton Williams
06. Mike Mizanin
07. Timmy Beggy
08. Dan Seltzer
09. Darrell Taylor
10. Derrick Kosinski
11. Abram Boise
12. Theo Vonkurnatowski
13. Kenny Santucci
14. Jamie Murray
15. Eric Nies
16. Brad Fiorenza
17. Wes Bergmann
18. Shane Landrum
19. Johny Devenanzio
20. Frank Roessler
21. M.J Garrett
22. Syrus Yarbrough
23. Adam Larson
24. Randy Barry
25. David Burns
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Colin Mortenson
27. Dunbar Flinn
28. James Orlando
29. Pete Conolly
30. Adam King
31. Nehemiah Clark
32. Cohutta Grindstaff
33. Eric Banks
34. Ryan Kehoe
35. Chadwick Pelletier
36. Derek McCray
37. Ace Amerson
38. Tyrie Ballard
39. Nathan Blackburn
40. Noor Jehangir
41. Dave Guintoli
[B][COLOR=black]Top 25 [COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR] List[/COLOR][/B]
01. Evelyn Smith
02. Jodi Weatherton
03. Rachel Robinson
04. Susie Meister
05. Veronica Portillo
06. Aneesa Ferreira
07. Coral Smith
08. Holly Shand
09. Tina Barta
10. Kina Dean
11. Jillian Zoboroski
12. Ruthie Alcaide
13. Diem Brown
14. Sarah Greyson
15. Jenn Grijalva
16. Robin Hibbard
17. KellyAnne Judd
18. Tori Hall
19. Laurel Stucky
20. Emily Bailey
21. Beth Stolarcyzk
22. Cara Zavaleta
23. Brittini Sherod
24. Paula Meronek
25. Sarah Rice
[B]WILD CARD[/B]
26. Svetlana Shusterman
27. Johanna Botta
28. Aviv Melmed
29. Jamie Chung
30. Tonya Cooley
31. Katie Doyle
32. Roni Martin
33. Ellen Cho
34. Holly Brentson
35. Kendal Sheppard
36. Kimberly Alexander
37. Ibis Nieves
38. Christena Pyle
39. Julie Stoffer
40. Sophia Pasquis
41. Jannelle Casanave
42. Carley Johnson
43. Rachel Moyal
I still didn't switch Wes and Derrick.. only because Derrick lost to him, doesn't mean anything.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I think Laurel is better than Tori, but that's personal opinion. Toir is ok too.
I'm confused, didn't Brittini beat Diem badly in the Duel 2 in "Push me over" and beat some other competitors including Aneesa in the final challenge, coming second?
I like all those girls, but I think Brittini should be a bit higher up and I, personally never saw Veronica do anything so amazing to be that high up the list, esp after being beaten in the Ruins, which confirms it.
I also agree with someone else, Sarah really proved herself in these challenges. She won alot of eliminations, I would.t put her last in the list. :)
Just my thoughts :)
My Favorite to Least Favorite Seasons List w/FAVORITE CAST MEMBERS
[B][U]Favorite Season[/U][/B]
1. The Ruins------------------------------(Sarah, Kellyanne, Susie, Kimberly, Evelyn, Wes, Chet, Cohutta)
[B]Honorable Mentions[/B]
2. The Gauntlet 3-------------------------(Frank, Jillian, Brooke, Coral and Evelyn)
3. The Gauntlet 2-------------------------(Derrick, Jo...been a while since I've seen this season.)
[B]Good[/B]
4. The Duel--------------------------------(Wes, Derrick, Brad, Svetlana,Jodi,Beth)
5. Fresh Meat 2---------------------------(Sarah, Jillian)
6. Inferno 3-------------------------------(Alton, Davis, Timmy, Derrick, Susie, Colie)
[B]Decent Seasons[/B]
7. The Duel 2-----------------------(Brad, Landon, Derek, Isaac, Davis, Nehemiah, Brittni, Kimberly, Brooke)
8. The Island-------------------------------(Kellyanne, Colie, Dan, Cohutta, Dunbar, Abram, Tyrie)
Boring/Dissapointing
10. Fresh Meat-----------------------------(Havent seen in a while...didn't wanna watch the whole season)
I have a feeling [I]CUTTHROAT[/I] will shoot to #1 after it airs!
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