The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

[QUOTE=RealityToast;207153]Top 25 lists for both [U][COLOR=blue]males[/COLOR][/U] and [COLOR=red][U]females [/U][/COLOR]of the RW/RR Challenges (with a Bubble/Wild Card format) [/QUOTE] Umm where's Emily?! The original challenge queen. She's a fierce competitor and kicked butt. Roni is an awesome competitor. She won 2/2 challenges!! Ellen only did 1 challenge but should be higher in rankings cause she did so well in the missions winning 2 missions in a row and ranking #1 in one of the episodes. Susie over Rachel made me laugh. Yes Susie's ratio is better but do you understand why Rachel hasn't won more challenges? BOTS1 - Voted off cause the girls didn't like her. Had nothing to do with how strong she was, though her score wasn't very high. BOTS2 - Voted off cause she was a threat, and the rookie girls wanted to break up the alliance. Island - Was a threat and wouldn't conform to the alliance. Inferno 2 - Lost because Tina and Tonya couldn't handle the final mission, had nothing to do with Rachel. So you cant say Susie is better because Rachel lost more challenges, it had nothing to do with how strong she was. Susie had missions thrown for her so she could win the lifesaver and not go into the inferno (Inferno 3). Team threw the mission so Rachael could go in. Then the team wanted Colie could go in cause she was the worst (Susie got lifesaver). Cara threw the mission yet again and Susie got the lifesaver making Paula go in, who was the strongest girl on the good guys team. Susie lucked out of the gauntlet in the gauntlet 2 because the team was more focused on getting Cara and Jillian out over Susie. Plus if you won a mission your team didn't have to go to the gauntlet and the rookie team did well. Why is Tonya so low? She won a challenge and is a pretty good competitor. Don't think top 7, but should be higher.

[QUOTE=jhl182;207177]Umm where's Emily?! The original challenge queen. She's a fierce competitor and kicked butt. Roni is an awesome competitor. She won 2/2 challenges!! Ellen only did 1 challenge but should be higher in rankings cause she did so well in the missions winning 2 missions in a row and ranking #1 in one of the episodes. Susie over Rachel made me laugh. Yes Susie's ratio is better but do you understand why Rachel hasn't won more challenges? BOTS1 - Voted off cause the girls didn't like her. Had nothing to do with how strong she was, though her score wasn't very high. BOTS2 - Voted off cause she was a threat, and the rookie girls wanted to break up the alliance. Island - Was a threat and wouldn't conform to the alliance. Inferno 2 - Lost because Tina and Tonya couldn't handle the final mission, had nothing to do with Rachel. So you cant say Susie is better because Rachel lost more challenges, it had nothing to do with how strong she was. Susie had missions thrown for her so she could win the lifesaver and not go into the inferno (Inferno 3). Team threw the mission so Rachael could go in. Then the team wanted Colie could go in cause she was the worst (Susie got lifesaver). Cara threw the mission yet again and Susie got the lifesaver making Paula go in, who was the strongest girl on the good guys team. Susie lucked out of the gauntlet in the gauntlet 2 because the team was more focused on getting Cara and Jillian out over Susie. Plus if you won a mission your team didn't have to go to the gauntlet and the rookie team did well.[/QUOTE] Your theory does make sense, I will switch it cause I am trying to make it more of a accurate list, then my own opinions. I know Emily was a good competitor as well.

Rachel is a beast..Duel 2 should prove it quite well. She also won Gaunlet and Inferno 1. As for Emily, she may not have won a Challenge but she was a biiiig influence in all 3 Challenges she was one...BOSeasons and Extreme(or 2000 don't remember) finals, BotS 1 if she hadn't left the entire challenge could've ended differently.

I agree. I think Sarah should be next to Kelly Anne. Either right above her or right under her! And as I have said, Diem should be lower than she is listed. And Paula likely won- as it has been stated- because Aneesa had a bum knee. However, Paula also had a weight advantage because she was lighter. If she lost, it would have been embarrassing. And seriously! lol. Paula sucks! And Diem isn't anything special. Come on. Sarah, KA and Brittni are all better than Diem and Paula. I don't care how many challenges they've done. They aren't that good. For the record...in the Pushover duel on the Duel 2, Brittni pushed Diem right outta the game. Diem was all on floor and stuff! hahah. Please... you make me laugh. And Tori! She's cool, but I think she's a teensy bit overated; just a smudge. She's better than Diem...but I'm not sure where to put her. Please don't rate people higher on the list because of being their fan, if it is a top athlete/performer list. And as far as having more challenges under your belt. Oh please. Just because some of them don't have a job and can do more challenges shouldn't be an advantage. They still lose. As I have stated many times. Johnny lost his first 3 challenges and had won 0 elimination rounds at the time. Kenny lost his first 2 challenges. Kenny has only won challenges that he didn't go into an elimination round on. On the Island, Kenny didn't even win a face-off and earn a key, he just got a key because everyone voted off Tonya instead of him. Kenny lost the only elimination round he has been in to Nehemiah. Evan lost his first 3 challenges, regardless of the circumstances. And Fresh Meat partner/team elimination rounds don't really count. Look at how they perform in the challenges. I laud you for putting the top players at the top. But please consider more facts. People can really show what they can do in an elimination round. I don't like Evan, but even I can admit that he kicked butt in the Duels on the Duel 2. Consider if this person could do this. Or if this person would do this event better. And one more thing: as i have stated: Johanna is NOT a wildcard! She's terrible. (Why do you think she dodges elimination rounds like they're the plague. I can list different things where Shauvon and Casey could likely beat Johanna. Just ask me for a list.)

Why don't FM eliminations count?That is being arbritary, then you we shouldn't count Challenges were eliminations was decided via vote off..so eliminate..Dan, Emily and all those people cause they never did those type of challenges. Those eliminations, while they did rely on two people, they were still hard as hell. I throw any Exile against almost any Inferno o Gaunlet for the physicall tole it has to take on a body via the walking and carrying weights.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207212]Why don't FM eliminations count?That is being arbritary, then you we shouldn't count Challenges were eliminations was decided via vote off..so eliminate..Dan, Emily and all those people cause they never did those type of challenges. Those eliminations, while they did rely on two people, they were still hard as hell. I throw any Exile against almost any Inferno o Gaunlet for the physicall tole it has to take on a body via the walking and carrying weights.[/QUOTE] On fresh meat exiles, a person can weigh another person down. So an individual isn't going 1-on-1; they're going 2-on-2. Look at Darell and Cara Maria. She couldn't mentally deal with being targeted first. So Darell and Cara Maria lost against Jill and Pete. Darell didn't lose. Cara Maria and Darell lost as a team. And I don't know who Emily and Dan are, but they sound like amazing competitors. I haven't seen any "vote off" challenges except The island. So, obviously they proved their abilites. 1-on-1 rounds are really the best, if not the only way to decide who is better. You can argue that, but you know its a fact. Also, I said to look at how they perform in the challenges and elimination rounds.

Hope this doesn't come off as rude, but if you havent seen all Challenges then you really shouldn't judge a list on all Challengers now should you? Now if it was list from those you've seen and on, then go ahead and give your judgements ;)

Entropy, I haven't commented anything on the older challengers in my recent posts. I was talking about the following people: Diem, Sarah, Kellyanne, Brittni, Laurel, Tori, Johanna, Darrel, Cara Maria, Pete Jillian, Evan, Kenny, Johnny, and Nehemiah. Please read my posts closely, before you post your responses. It makes it look like I said something that I didn't say. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. And as I have said: I don't even know who Dan and Emily are. I mentioned nothing about older "vote-off" challenges. Only The Island. Thankyou.

I didnt put words in your mouth only said your judging a list based on overall challenges half of which you havent seen

Dan and Emily, from RR, never got voted off. Emily chose to leave on BOTS I.

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;207225]Dan and Emily, from RR, never got voted off.[B] Emily chose to leave on BOTS I[/B].[/QUOTE] I still can't get over that. It was such a hypocritical choice after saying she really wanted to win, etc. I'd rank her lower just because of that. You don't just quit because your boyfriend did.

[QUOTE=fabulous788;207226]I still can't get over that. It was such a hypocritical choice after saying she really wanted to win, etc. I'd rank her lower just because of that. You don't just quit because your boyfriend did.[/QUOTE] In all fairness she said she was leaving because of her sister, so we never knew the real deal. If she did leave because of James, I would agree it was hypocritical and a ****** choice, but it shouldn't derail her physical prowess. She was one hell of a competitor. Besides the score board proving it, she rocked on physical challenges.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207221]I didnt put words in your mouth only said your judging a list based on overall challenges half of which you havent seen[/QUOTE] I'm judging the ranks of people whom I have seen compete. I have not mentioned one thing about someone I haven't seen compete.

This little argument actually poses a really good question. Now I get why people who've been watching Real World since even before Challenge's were a thought up till this point, hates the Fresh Meat kids. Unlike them, those of us who have seen the show since before the internet was a common thing basically grew up with Real World, Road Rules and then the Challenges, and we saw people like Mike Mizanin on Back to New York go from a wrestling fan..to almost being a WWE Champion, or know who people like Puck are, or saw the first Challenges with Mr. Big..or remember that every first episode Road Rulers had to surrender cash, credit cards and phones (if they had any). We grew up with these Reality stars just as they grew up in front of us..so hating on Fresh Meaters, who basically just show up, we barely know their stories, for older people I GET. But people who haven't seen a Challenge before FM1, or who only know RW since Austin...isn't it kind of ironic that they themselves would criticize and judge FM kids, when they themselves would be Fresh Meaters in the Real World fish bowl?

If the Real World or Road Rules alumni don't mind the Fresh Meat than quite frankly I don't either. Actually, I never really cared anyway.

[QUOTE=rey2pokey;207247]If the Real World or Road Rules alumni don't mind the Fresh Meat than quite frankly I don't either. Actually, I never really cared anyway.[/QUOTE] That's how I think of it as well.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207246]This little argument actually poses a really good question. Now I get why people who've been watching Real World since even before Challenge's were a thought up till this point, hates the Fresh Meat kids. Unlike them, those of us who have seen the show since before the internet was a common thing basically grew up with Real World, Road Rules and then the Challenges, and we saw people like Mike Mizanin on Back to New York go from a wrestling fan..to almost being a WWE Champion, or know who people like Puck are, or saw the first Challenges with Mr. Big..or remember that every first episode Road Rulers had to surrender cash, credit cards and phones (if they had any). We grew up with these Reality stars just as they grew up in front of us..so hating on Fresh Meaters, who basically just show up, we barely know their stories, for older people I GET. But people who haven't seen a Challenge before FM1, or who only know RW since Austin...isn't it kind of ironic that they themselves would criticize and judge FM kids, when they themselves would be Fresh Meaters in the Real World fish bowl?[/QUOTE] I don't hate the FMers, I just don't like them. I have seen clips (no whole seasons) of old challenges , and they seem better than newer full seasons of the challenges. I just feel like the FMers changed the game. The first full challenge I saw was The Duel. Since then I have seen The Gauntlet 2 and part of The Inferno 2. I felt like after The Duel, Kenny and Evan were all like," Since, we can't win alone, let's all team up and win. Since we can't win on our own merits." That's when the backstabbing began! It's all history. Now, if Evan or Kenny are on a challenge, I doubt we'll see them in an elimination round (outside of a Fresh Meat Exile.) I lost a lot of respect for them. I feel like The Challenge should be a challenge. When I watch the show, I wanna see people bleed and sweat and fight their way to victory. Not get into they stupid little alliances. If you're a top competitor, just go in and win! Don't be setting stuff up. Just simply win. I remember Mark on Duel 2. The first time I'd ever seen Mark on a Challenge. He said "this is what we came to do. It's what we signed up for." He was reffering to going into an elimination round. The only thing I didn't like was when Landon left the room to get scratch paper for the seceret vote before the final duel, Mark and Evan tried to get Landon to go in. That really made me think even lower of Evan. And when I saw them working out and exercising before The Ruins finale, I was in shock. They were actually worried that all 4 of them + Susie might lose against Sarah and Kellyanne (2 girls). Derrick said he wasn't putting anything past them. I was like...seriously?! I also feel like they play the popularity game and politics. Forget all that. Arrive. Compete. Win! Don't go around making alliances. I think its pitiful. If they're sooo good, why bother? The Ruins was a perfect chance for KEDJ to prove why they are true champions. Not 1 of them went in except for Johnny. Its only because he was at the bottom of the food chain. If they were real champs, I could see them saying "I'm about to go take this rookie's money." Instead they were scared to go into an elimination round. I bet they peed a little, when Wes beat Cohutta. 2 reasons why: 1) Anybody could win in the Ruins 2)Wes "the scapegoat" was gone. I find it ironic that Evan was mad for having to keep going into The Duel on the Duel 2. But he had no problem throwing Wes in. Others may feel differently, but I don't. I don't like the way they play the game. I don't like their "I'm the best attitude." I kinda liked Evan on the Duel 2 and Kenny on Fresh Meat 2...but they have lost my favor. I can go on and on....but I'll refrain. That's why I don't like the FMers Kenny and Evan. I have an opinion of them. I'll probably get hater comments, but I'm just being honest. In my eyes, I don't feel like they have proven themselves, except Evan. He has proved he can compete and is a great athlete. But the way he plays is messed up, in my opinion. 1 more thing! I like the Fresh Meat 2 kids. And waaaay better than the Old Stale Fresh Meat (Kenny, Diem, Casey, Eric, Ryan). haha That is all...THANKYOU! (Bring on the backlash comments!lol)

Funny, the only Challenge Kenny and Evan have succesfully teamed on was Ruins. Gaunlet 3 they failed thanks to Eric, and on the other Challenges either have won they did it without each other. Now Derrick and Kenny, thats a different story.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207254]Funny, the only Challenge Kenny and Evan have succesfully teamed on was Ruins. Gaunlet 3 they failed thanks to Eric, and on the other Challenges either have won they did it without each other. Now Derrick and Kenny, thats a different story.[/QUOTE] First of all, just because they didn't win doesn't mean their alliance wasn't successful. They made it to the final. Let me waste more of my time to break it down. The Duel-JEKD all lose Inferno 3-DK make it to the final and win (Kenny never goes into the inferno) Gauntlet 3-KE make it to the final (Kenny never goes into the gauntlet; yet Evan beats Johnny, so Evan gets some points for winning the gauntlet) The Duel 2-Evan dominates and wins(no JKD; Evan gets many points) The Ruins-JEKD make it to the final(No enters the ruins except for Johnny) [Was I the only one that noticed that JKED never nominated 3 of themselves. it was always 2 of them and 1 other.It was easy when Wes was in the rotation; they were itching to be nominated knowing that Wes was going in regardless.] Fresh Meat 2-Kenny AND LAUREL dominate, make it to the final but ultimately lose. (Kenny gets some points; however they were all doing that alliance mess). If you haven't noticed, Kenny has never won without Derrick.Kenny even says he won't do another challenge w/out Derrick and vice versa. Yet Kenny turns around and does Fresh Meat 2, and Derrick does Cutthroat! I miss independent Derrick; now he just goes with the majority. Didn't he used to say his piece and be somewhat of a leader? He was a team captain right? Well, now he seems MORE of a follower than a leader. Johnny has never won without Kenny and Derrick. Also, Kenny has never ever won a challenge where he has went into a single elimination round. And no offense, just a thought: If there was no Fresh Meat, all the Winners would be real world and road rules.There'd be no Eric to ruin the Gauntlet 3 and Brad might've already won a challenge. There'd be no Casey. There'd be no Ryan, most importantly there'd be no FM alliance. Coral commented on the Fresh Meat on the FM Reunion special!

[QUOTE=kdub90;207257]First of all, just because they didn't win doesn't mean their alliance wasn't successful. They made it to the final. Let me waste more of my time to break it down. The Duel-JEKD all lose Inferno 3-DK make it to the final and win (Kenny never goes into the inferno) Gauntlet 3-KE make it to the final (Kenny never goes into the gauntlet; yet Evan beats Johnny, so Evan gets some points for winning the gauntlet) The Duel 2-Evan dominates and wins(no JKD; Evan gets many points) The Ruins-JEKD make it to the final(No enters the ruins except for Johnny) [Was I the only one that noticed that JKED never nominated 3 of themselves. it was always 2 of them and 1 other.It was easy when Wes was in the rotation; they were itching to be nominated knowing that Wes was going in regardless.] Fresh Meat 2-Kenny AND LAUREL dominate, make it to the final but ultimately lose. (Kenny gets some points; however they were all doing that alliance mess). If you haven't noticed, Kenny has never won without Derrick.Kenny even says he won't do another challenge w/out Derrick and vice versa. Yet Kenny turns around and does Fresh Meat 2, and Derrick does Cutthroat! I miss independent Derrick; now he just goes with the majority. Didn't he used to say his piece and be somewhat of a leader? He was a team captain right? Well, now he seems MORE of a follower than a leader. Johnny has never won without Kenny and Derrick. Also, Kenny has never ever won a challenge where he has went into a single elimination round. And no offense, just a thought: If there was no Fresh Meat, all the Winners would be real world and road rules.There'd be no Eric to ruin the Gauntlet 3 and Brad might've already won a challenge. There'd be no Casey. There'd be no Ryan, most importantly there'd be no FM alliance. Coral commented on the Fresh Meat on the FM Reunion special![/QUOTe] Duel - there was no alliance then. Kenny was usually one of the last picked. Gaunlet 3- They were on the same team..so of course they would work together. Inferno 3- Kenny was nominated into the inferno but WON his chance to stay out. No alliance then. Duel 2 - Evan was alone and won..doesn't really count does it? Island - this one counts. Ruins - Officially counts. Fm 2- Kenny lost. As for Derrick/Kenny..they both said at the end of the Ruins but it was more than likely joking. And can you blame Derrick..when he was by himself he lost, when he joined up with these guys he hasn't lost one Challenge. Oh and as for your point of no FM would make more RW/RR winners..if there was no FMers there would be no Challenges as they were brought in to make up the numbers cause Road Rules was cancelled.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;207314]And all of that would've been a bad thing?[/QUOTE] It depends on what you mean by bad. Casey "ruined" the challengers team on The Ruins. I was happy that Eric was partially responsible for the Vets losing on Gauntlet 3 because of the way they played the game and I wanted the rookies to win. Casey did absolutely nothing for the challenges to help them win. Nothing. She was a huge anchor for the challengers. And Ryan isn't entertaining to me. I would rather see Davis, Tyler, JD or even Derek or Preston before I see Ryan. He's horrible at these challenges.(I may be wrong, but I don't ever remember Ryan winning anything except when he beat rookie/jock Derek(from RR:VR) in a puzzle.) Oh wait! Ryan beat Johanna and Colie...by holding a rope! HAHAH!!! Eric has never posed a threat. Casey has never posed a threat. Ryan has never posed a threat. Diem got a sympathy vote on The Duel and was in a relationship with CT for The Duel and The Gauntlet. Then she got beat by "crazy drunk" Tonya. The only 2 champs from FM1 that continue to compete in the challenges are Evelyn and Evan. That's my opinion. Evan loses points for having to form an alliance to win. Evelyn however won 2 face-offs. She beat out 2 guys. And in the end she could've taken Johnny's key and he wouldn't have been a Champion for The Ruins! How about that! Evelyn is a great athlete and competitor. Evan has proven himself.

[QUOTE=rey2pokey;207247]If the Real World or Road Rules alumni don't mind the Fresh Meat than quite frankly I don't either. Actually, I never really cared anyway.[/QUOTE] They do actually. A lot of the vets don't do challenges because of the fresh meat kids. I know Theo really didn't like them coming in. I asked a bunch of castmembers on facebook and they stated that they wouldn't want to come back because of them. Rachel (Campus Crawl) said she didn't like how random people came into the game and that she misses the challenges when it was just real world and road rules. She commented on my youtube video via facebook.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;207317]But they could've easily have just started casting smaller challenges. I mean they could've just started casting 16-20. people a challenge and have only 1-2 winners instead of several. Fresh Meat wasnt needed at all IMO.[/QUOTE] That would eventually not work with Road Rules dying out. There is a reason why they have already done 2 Fresh Meat Challenges.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207357]That would eventually not work with Road Rules dying out. There is a reason why they have already done 2 Fresh Meat Challenges.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't doubt a third installment in the near future.

The issue with the fresh meaters is that they all want to be famous and just keep doing challenges. Real Worlders and Road Rulers had their original seasons and some of them got their fix. I can't think of too many fame w***** from Real World or Road Rules but Kenny, Ryan, Evan, Luke, Laurel, Vinny, and Diem come to mind from fresh meat.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;207360]The issue with the fresh meaters is that they all want to be famous and just keep doing challenges. Real Worlders and Road Rulers had their original seasons and some of them got their fix. I can't think of too many fame w***** from Real World or Road Rules but Kenny, Ryan, Evan, Luke, Laurel, Vinny, and Diem come to mind from fresh meat.[/QUOTE] I don't really think Diem is a fame *****, but as for the others you listed I agree.

[QUOTE=Entropy;207315]Duel - there was no alliance then. Kenny was usually one of the last picked. Gaunlet 3- They were on the same team..so of course they would work together. Inferno 3- Kenny was nominated into the inferno but WON his chance to stay out. No alliance then. Duel 2 - Evan was alone and won..doesn't really count does it? Island - this one counts. Ruins - Officially counts. Fm 2- Kenny lost. As for Derrick/Kenny..they both said at the end of the Ruins but it was more than likely joking. And can you blame Derrick..when he was by himself he lost, when he joined up with these guys he hasn't lost one Challenge. Oh and as for your point of no FM would make more RW/RR winners..if there was no FMers there would be no Challenges as they were brought in to make up the numbers cause Road Rules was cancelled.[/QUOTE] I never said they had an alliance on The Duel; it was obviuous they didn't. It was Gauntlet 3 when the alliance stuff started. Danny was put into the Gauntlet and Johnny. Why? [strike]becuz[/strike] Because they weren't in the alliance. CT, Kenny, Evan, and Derrick were in the alliance. Johnny got mad and caused a scene when he got sent in and realized he was as far into the alliance as he believed. Adam, Danny, Brad and Johnny were outside of the alliance. They all faced a Gauntlet except for Brad. On the island the alliance intensified! Dunbar was cut out of it and it became a staple that Kenny and Derrick are challenge partners and Johnny is included but only at the bottom.On the Ruins, it couldn't have been more obvious. But after Johnny learned his role on the Gauntlet 3, he still helped those 2 punks (Derrick and Kenny) win. Then Johnny was reminded of his postition AGAIN on the Ruins. He was the only one to get sent in. He tried to get Kenny to go in [strike]becuz[/strike] because he knew Derrick wouldn't get sent in, but no dice! It's like fool me once...shame on you...fool me twice....forget you! On the Island, Johnny had the perfect chance to team up with Dunbar and Abram (Abram gave Dunbar his key) and all they do is come on these challenges and win money, with little-to-0 effort.. maybe Tyrie. But he went back to Kenny and Evan. Bummer. I actually liked Johnny before the Island. And I liked Derrick before the ruins. AND LOOK AT HOW THEY DO 2 SEASONS EVERY YEAR OF REAL WORLD. THEY SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH CASTMATES. thats 16 potential castmates every year. And they can keep inviting vets back. Look at how Beth kept coming back...Veronica...Coral...Brad...Derrick...Katie...Johnny...Paula...so come on. They could have Robin...Landon...BOTSeasons and BOTSexes sequels. I like the new Fresh Meat kids a little. But I'd rather have Brooklyn, Cancun, Sydney and other RW season castmembers come back. We have enough drama-starters, champs, comedians and other things to keep it going. But we can't reverse time. The FMers are already here.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;207360]The issue with the fresh meaters is that they all want to be famous and just keep doing challenges. Real Worlders and Road Rulers had their original seasons and some of them got their fix. I can't think of too many fame w***** from Real World or Road Rules but Kenny, Ryan, Evan, Luke, Laurel, Vinny, and Diem come to mind from fresh meat.[/QUOTE] Let me ask you this, if you were asked back consecutively would you accept the invite every time. I know I would if I was young and had nothing to lose.