The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

The only people who would have the best chance of taking out CT(in a physical event) now, is Darrell and maybe Landon. The only person who could actually beat CT I believe is Mark, in his prime.

I wasn't that impressed with Mark Long on the Duel 2... yeah he is in great shape aesthetically for a guy his age, but dude didn't win much despite having the strongest female there for a partner. Landon, who is basically a smaller version of CT, dominated that season. When Mark Long had a prime during these challenges, the challenges consisted of eating huge bowls of ice cream with your team and licking bugs off people. I'm also not buying Darrell as being much of a threat to CT either... he's never really shown anything of merit on any challenge he's been on that makes me think he's an elite individual competitor and on the two Infernos he was on, CT gassed that kid in everything.

I agree while Mark and Darrel are great competitors they aren't in the elite of guys like CT, Wes, Mike, Evan, Brad, Landon, Alton and Derrick who in an elimination type round can take out just about anyone. Darrel has only really ever eliminated Danny and Darrel in a one on one eliminations, on the Ruins. In every other Challenge he was one he managed to avoid going into the Gaunlet and Infuerno (his words), as for FM he always had a partner so it technically doesn't count. As to who I think could take out CT of the elite top guys: -Landon, possibly the best match for CT one on one and has the plus that he keeps his cool under pressure unlike CT (see Duel 1 elimination against Brad). He has the best chance of beating CT out of everyone. - Mike, in his prime this match could easily go either way. - Wes, while he proved he can take out a tough competitor in Derrick on The Duel, and has a knack for eliminating people he has never really faced anyone of CT's caliber and could easily be eliminated by CT. -Brad, the only reason Brad eliminated CT was because of the stupid flag rule, CT out powered him on the Duel. While Brad could get lucky, it would be really tough for him to eliminated CT. - Alton, another great match up and if its speed Alton easily takes it, but if its brawn CT takes him out. -Evan, CT and Evan where evenly match on the Duel but CT already proved he can take out Mr. Starkman - Derrick, he is actually the dark horse in this. He proved on the Gaunlet 2 that bigger guys aren't trouble for him but he also tends to put too much pressure on himself. He could shock anyone by eliminating CT, but at the same time Derrick has proven time and time again that its the size of the dog in the fight. At the end of it all it really doesn't even matter who CT faces as it is all about what the elimination round is.. look at Wes vs Cohutta on the Ruins, 9 times out 10 Wes would destroy Cohutta but that elimination round worked best for Cohutta.

[QUOTE]I wasn't that impressed with Mark Long on the Duel 2... yeah he is in great shape aesthetically for a guy his age, but dude didn't win much despite having the strongest female there for a partner. Landon, who is basically a smaller version of CT, dominated that season. When Mark Long had a prime during these challenges, the challenges consisted of eating huge bowls of ice cream with your team and licking bugs off people.[/QUOTE] How can Mark not impress you on the Duel 2, when he consistantly outperformed Evan. On the "Upside Downer" challenge, he cut Evan's time in half. Mark's not going to win missions, but he consistantly performed well. For example, on the BOTS 1, he didn't win a single event, but he still posted the highest score at the end of the challenge because he was the most consistant at performing well. And there were A LOT of physical challenges during Mark's prime, in particularly the BOTS 1. On his Road Rules season, it was said he could bench press 315, and he was able to throw a dodge ball at 50 MPH on "Extreme Dodge Ball"(2004). He had GREAT upper body strength, and could easily matched CT in a physical elimination round at the point of BOTS 2, to the Gauntlet 2. The problem is their age difference, at one point Mark was the dominate male competitor, but when CT came along, he eventually became the dominate male. Also, Landon(who is NOT on CT's level, see the Inferno 2 on wiki) was only barely better than Mark on the Duel 2. Mark from the first challenge to BOTS 2, is better than Landon. [QUOTE] I'm also not buying Darrell as being much of a threat to CT either... he's never really shown anything of merit on any challenge he's been on that makes me think he's an elite individual competitor and on the two Infernos he was on, CT gassed that kid in everything.[/QUOTE] Darrell is a former boxer, he easily beat big guys like Stephen(RW: Las Vegas) and Danny(RW: Austin) in strength matches. He would give CT a run for his money, because when Darrell is motivated(especially when money is on the line), he steps up big time. Also Darrell didn't stand out on most challenges because he liked to stay low key, and didn't want to be targeted. Darrell is a great competitor when it counts the most, otherwise he was purposefully average. [QUOTE] agree while Mark and Darrel are great competitors they aren't in the elite of guys like CT, Wes, Mike, Evan, Brad, Landon, Alton and Derrick who in an elimination type round can take out just about anyone. [/QUOTE] You're joking right? Mark is a better competitor than all those guys(CT is the only expection) all time. And Darrell is a superior competitor to Wes, Derrick, Brad.....and if he wanted to be, Landon, Alton, Miz, and Evan. As long as the elimination round takes place on the ground, and it's physical, Darrell would take out all those guys expect for maybe CT.

[QUOTE=Superboy;206381]Darrell is a former boxer, [B]he easily beat big guys like Stephen(RW: Las Vegas) and Danny(RW: Austin) in strength matches.[/B] He would give CT a run for his money, because when Darrell is motivated(especially when money is on the line), he steps up big time. Also Darrell didn't stand out on most challenges because he liked to stay low key, and didn't want to be targeted. Darrell is a great competitor when it counts the most, otherwise he was purposefully average.[/QUOTE] There are girls on these challenges that could take out Danny in a strength match. He's one of the worst male competitors of all time.

I'm confused. Are we talking about who the better overall competitor is here or are we talking about who deserves to win a challenge more ? Of course CT is a better overall competitor and athlete than Brad, but that doesn't me he deserves to win a Challenge over Brad. CT does deserve a Challenge W but not as much as Brad, IMO.

[QUOTE=Superboy;206381] Darrell is a former boxer, he easily beat big guys like Stephen(RW: Las Vegas) and Danny(RW: Austin) in strength matches. He would give CT a run for his money, because when Darrell is motivated(especially when money is on the line), he steps up big time. Also Darrell didn't stand out on most challenges because he liked to stay low key, and didn't want to be targeted. Darrell is a great competitor when it counts the most, otherwise he was purposefully average.[/QUOTE] Just curious, when has Darrell ever beaten Steven, let alone appear on the same challenge as him? And also, I never knew Steven was considered a "big guy". He always looked scrawny to me, at least in comparison to a lot of the other guys.

I wouldnt call Danny one of the worst competitors ever, just quite unlucky with EVERY matchup and situation. If anything hes weakest when it comes to 'speed' related challenges. Fresh meat: First Pick making him an instant target. New to it all so this isnt much of a signal on how he did (Look at Ev) Inferno 3: In a team of powerhouses he was at the bottom of the pile alongside Kenny, just Kenny had more of the social aspect down. He was also unlucky to get the one Inferno that focused more on speed. Gauntlet 3: Punished for trying to make a deal which im sure several of the others would have tried for also had the other team been filled with former cast-members. Again lumbered with the 'Speedy' guantlet game against the quickest team member. The Ruins: Part of 'Team Fail' against Darrell who is pretty much one of the toughest contestants on the show. As a reminder, it was a 2-1 victory for Darrell, not an outright 2-0. Fresh meat 2: Almost beat out Jillian/Pete with little time between them. If anything, Danny needs to 1 - Find a way to be better at challenges that require speeding around the place 2 - Be more proactive in the social game so if something does go wrong, he can fix it -------------------------------------------------- On the Stephen vs Darrell thing, I think that was part of 'Road Rules Campus Crawl' where the RW: Las Vegas cast went against the Campus Crawl cast in challenges. If I remember the Darrell vs Stephen wrestling matchup was a tie since Stephen pushed himself off the ground every time Darrell tried to pin him.

I don't recall Darrell and Stephen ever facing off... and even if they did, Stephen is not a muscular/strong guy at all. And, his Ruins match-up against Danny was more stamina/endurance based than strength based. I also don't buy that the reason Darrell never stood out as an elite competitor on challenges was because he was "trying to stay off the radar" or however you want to put it. He has made it quite clear on several occasions that he wants no part of an elimination round and that he doesn't want to participate in them because of the risk of going home. If safety was on the line and he was trying to stay out of elimination rounds, he'd find a way to win safety by winning Life Savers or Life Shields, but he rarely ever did. If he really was elite and wanted to stay out of elimination rounds, he'd go out and win himself safety anytime he wanted to like CT has shown he can do time and time again.

[QUOTE=townie;206432]I don't recall Darrell and Stephen ever facing off... and even if they did, Stephen is not a muscular/strong guy at all. And, his Ruins match-up against Danny was more stamina/endurance based than strength based. I also don't buy that the reason Darrell never stood out as an elite competitor on challenges was because he was "trying to stay off the radar" or however you want to put it. He has made it quite clear on several occasions that he wants no part of an elimination round and that he doesn't want to participate in them because of the risk of going home. If safety was on the line and he was trying to stay out of elimination rounds, [B]he'd find a way to win safety by winning Life Savers or Life Shields, but he rarely ever did.[/B] If he really was elite and wanted to stay out of elimination rounds, he'd go out and win himself safety anytime he wanted to like CT has shown he can do time and time again.[/QUOTE] Hahah, like on Inferno 2. When he didn't help his team dig out their players cause Landon said he was going to throw him in. I'm with you. Darrell isn't all he's cracked up to be. He states that he wants to come back for Duel 3. If they put together a great cast, CT, Evan, Landon, Alton, ect. He wouldn't stand a chance.

And as far as Mark's upper body strength and him being able to match CT in that department... CT has something Mark doesn't have and that's that "switch" to totally snap and turn it up another notch fueled by pure adrenaline and rage. Mark wouldn't be able to match his tenacity, plain and simple. Look at what tenacity did for Derrick against Wes. Wes is physically bigger and much stronger than Derrick is, but Derrick's ability to mentally take himself to another level allowed him to put up a very tough fight and hang on in Pole Wrestle for almost 20 minutes. If you have two guys of similar size and strength, but one of them has the adrenaline factor in their favor, that guy will win. Look what he did on the Duel to Brad, who people seem to think is so strong. He made him look like he was a 5th grader. On the Duel 2 when he was going after Adam, five guys couldn't even physically restrain him and hold him back while they were all working together to do so. And, it's not like these guys were cupcakes either. You had Eric, Dunbar, Derek, and even Mark himself all trying to hold him back and they were still unable to do so.

[QUOTE=townie;206368]CT definitely deserves to win a challenge more than Brad... Brad's a likeable guy and whatnot but I think he's vastly overrated as a competitor. CT's 40% is better than his 110%. Brad has been lucky to make it to the final on two challenges by "beating" guys he had no business beating. He's had lady luck smile fondly on him on a few occassions. If he would've pushed himself a little harder on the two Duel finales, he'd have two wins. He's had his chances to win a final where it was up to him to make or break whether or not he won or not. CT... not so much. He got stuck with Coral and Syrus on his team for a final on Inferno 1... having Coral on your team when you have to work as a team to solve a puzzle is an impossible task when she won't let anybody else contribute. He told me that anytime he or Mike would put letters in to fill out an answer, she'd just push the letters off the board because she didn't think they were right. Inferno 2, Tonya and Tina were incapable of jogging for more than 15 seconds at a time. Gauntlet 3... we all know about that nightmare with Eric. Plus, that DQ loss on the first Duel was an absolute joke taking into account how he absolutely dominated Brad in Push Me. He's never been in a final where it was 100% on his shoulders to determine whether or not he won the big check or not and Brad's had that chance twice.[/QUOTE] WoW! Where do I begin?lol. CT's 40% isn't better than Brad's 110%. CT doesn't even have the brain cells to unclip a flag properly. If he was smart (and so much better than Brad), all he had to do was push him enough to where he can easily lean over and unclip the flag. He went on brute force. And he still was still a bit of a hassle for CT to push him. He was trying his hardest. And Brad had alot of bisuness beating Brad. IDK what was wrong with Landon. But a win is a win; even if you hate it. And OMG! Did you not see the Duel 2 finale?! He almost ruined his legs in the final challenge! It took all he could muster to finish. (And on a side-note. When Evan was doing elevator in the final challenge, I can't say he went all the way down before he hopped out of the seat. I bet he knew he was about to accept his true fate:losing. haha! just kidding about the true fate.But Evan was the one who got lucky. I think Brad is a better competitor than Evan. Just my opinion.)So, really Brad got unlucky in that situation, becuz he couldn't perform at his best. I laugh at how Evan got to be on the champion's team after beating a "beat-up" Brad! AHHAHA! As far as the puzzle goes. Who thinks CT is smart? CT has proven to be more brawn than brains. I probably wouldn't have listened to CT either. IDK. If CT was dominating Brad, why was he struggling to push him and keep him held back. It should have been easy to take some steps. And if CT wouldn't have pushed Eric so hard...there's a very, very, slim chance they might have actually won.very slim.Either way CT was too hard on Eric. If you saw the episode, you'd see that CT was yanking him very hard. Eric was just trying to hold on. Why do think Brad was so upset with CT and was trying to defend Eric? Becuz CT was to hard on him. CT was the bale of hay that broke the camels' back. I would go back and rewatch some of the episodes.Just a suggestion. Anymore questions? :smoke:

[QUOTE=kdub90;206468]WoW! Where do I begin?lol. CT's 40% isn't better than Brad's 110%. CT doesn't even have the brain cells to unclip a flag properly. If he was smart (and so much better than Brad), all he had to do was push him enough to where he can easily lean over and unclip the flag. He went on brute force. And he still was still a bit of a hassle for CT to push him. He was trying his hardest. And Brad had alot of bisuness beating Brad. IDK what was wrong with Landon. But a win is a win; even if you hate it. And OMG! Did you not see the Duel 2 finale?! He almost ruined his legs in the final challenge! It took all he could muster to finish. (And on a side-note. When Evan was doing elevator in the final challenge, I can't say he went all the way down before he hopped out of the seat. I bet he knew he was about to accept his true fate:losing. haha! just kidding about the true fate.But Evan was the one who got lucky. I think Brad is a better competitor than Evan. Just my opinion.)So, really Brad got unlucky in that situation, becuz he couldn't perform at his best. I laugh at how Evan got to be on the champion's team after beating a "beat-up" Brad! AHHAHA! As far as the puzzle goes. Who thinks CT is smart? CT has proven to be more brawn than brains. I probably wouldn't have listened to CT either. IDK. [B]If CT was dominating Brad, why was he struggling to push him and keep him held back. It should have been easy to take some steps.[/B] And if CT wouldn't have pushed Eric so hard...there's a very, very, slim chance they might have actually won.very slim.Either way CT was too hard on Eric. If you saw the episode, you'd see that CT was yanking him very hard. Eric was just trying to hold on. Why do think Brad was so upset with CT and was trying to defend Eric? Becuz CT was to hard on him. CT was the bale of hay that broke the camels' back. I would go back and rewatch some of the episodes.Just a suggestion. Anymore questions? :smoke:[/QUOTE] To be honest, I love Brad and he is my absolute favorite on these shows and I would love nothing more than for him to win, but even I can admit CT absolutely crushed him in that Duel. I'm not saying CT should have won, because he was DQed and I think that's perfectly fair since TJ said something about ripping the flag. CT wasn't struggling until he took one hand off of the pole to reach for the flag, even then I would hardly say he was struggling. To me it didn't look like he had the patience to unhook the flag so he just ripped it. As for who deserves to win a challenge more, I'd have to say Brad just because I like him and he's had a terrible streak of bad luck in these games. I feel CT would have absolutely no trouble winning a challenge but he ruined a few of his chances by getting into fights. If he would just stay out of trouble I don't think he would have a tough time at all getting a win.

[QUOTE]There are girls on these challenges that could take out Danny in a strength match. He's one of the worst male competitors of all time. [/QUOTE] Don't be silly, he's not a fast runner, but he is still a big strong guy(see his arms on the Ruins episode 1) [QUOTE=mph922;206402]Just curious, when has Darrell ever beaten Steven, let alone appear on the same challenge as him? And also, I never knew Steven was considered a "big guy". He always looked scrawny to me, at least in comparison to a lot of the other guys.[/QUOTE] Darrell EASILY beat Stephen when Campus Crawl faced off against Las Vegas on his season. And for the record, Stephen was a big and slighly built guy on his season(he was WAY bigger than Darrell). [QUOTE]Hahah, like on Inferno 2. When he didn't help his team dig out their players cause Landon said he was going to throw him in. I'm with you. Darrell isn't all he's cracked up to be. He states that he wants to come back for Duel 3.[B] If they put together a great cast, CT, Evan, Landon, Alton, ect. He wouldn't stand a chance.[/B] [/QUOTE] See the "Human Ox Pull" mission on Fresh Meat 1. [QUOTE]And as far as Mark's upper body strength and him being able to match CT in that department... CT has something Mark doesn't have and that's that "switch" to totally snap and turn it up another notch fueled by [B]pure adrenaline and rage. Mark wouldn't be able to match his tenacity, plain and simple[/B]. Look at what tenacity did for Derrick against Wes. Wes is physically bigger and much stronger than Derrick is, but Derrick's ability to mentally take himself to another level allowed him to put up a very tough fight and hang on in Pole Wrestle for almost 20 minutes.[/QUOTE] I actually thought about that, but I think Mark can get "nasty" right back. Like when he lost his temper on the Gauntlet 2. [QUOTE]If you have two guys of similar size and strength, but one of them has the adrenaline factor in their favor, that guy will win. Look what he did on the Duel to Brad, who people seem to think is so strong. He made him look like he was a 5th grader. On the Duel 2 when he was going after Adam, five guys couldn't even physically restrain him and hold him back while they were all working together to do so. And, it's not like these guys were cupcakes either. You had Eric, Dunbar, Derek, [B]and even Mark himself all trying to hold him back and they were still unable to do so[/B][/QUOTE] Nope, Mark was gently holding CT and Adam's arms, he didn't even try to break it up by force. And besides, he was 37 years old, past his prime.

[QUOTE=cjslife;206469]To be honest, I love Brad and he is my absolute favorite on these shows and I would love nothing more than for him to win, but even I can admit CT absolutely crushed him in that Duel. I'm not saying CT should have won, because he was DQed and I think that's perfectly fair since TJ said something about ripping the flag. CT wasn't struggling[B] until [/B]he took one hand off of the pole to reach for the flag, even then I would hardly say he was struggling. To me it didn't look like he had the patience to unhook the flag so he just ripped it. As for who deserves to win a challenge more, I'd have to say Brad just because I like him and he's had a terrible streak of bad luck in these games. I feel CT would have absolutely no trouble winning a challenge but he ruined a few of his chances by getting into fights. If he would just stay out of trouble I don't think he would have a tough time at all getting a win.[/QUOTE] He was still struggling. Brad gave him a hack of a fight! He didn't just let him win! And you're right. TJ said if you rip the flag you're disqualified. Everyone saw how Beth lost for ripping the flag. Is CT blind? If he were really a smart and strong player he would have done 2 things: 1)Push him back far enough to give him space to lean over for the flag. 2)He should have unclipped the flag! He should have been more focused and determined. He was probably tired afer trying to manhandle Brad with brute force at the beginning, He might have been getting tired and knew he was about to give out, so all he could do was rip it. So, regardless of the chatter, Brad won fair and square! And I'm sure CT still doesn't understand the rules of Pole Push! lol. CT is 2-1 in elimantion rounds beating Shane (yes, shane) and Evan. and Brad is 2-2 in elimination rounds, beating CT and Landon and losing to two of the best (Abram and Derrick). A win is a win. Brad has never faced an easy oppenent in an elimination round. But I have to give it to CT for beating Evan in a puzzle. He does have some coordination with his mind and hands. But he isn't a superhero! He's just a great competitor. Alton is a beast and Landon is amazing. I think they are up there with ct. First being Alton, second being CT and 3rd being landon. This list excludes everyone else.

No opinion will match another opinion. We move on.

[QUOTE=jamesbuc;206411]Inferno 3: In a team of powerhouses he was at the bottom of the pile alongside Kenny, just Kenny had more of the social aspect down. He was also unlucky to get the one Inferno that focused more on speed.[/QUOTE] Kenny won two life shields on Inferno 3, the only male besides Abram to win them. I wouldn't put him in the "bottom of the pile".

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;206491]Kenny won two life shields on Inferno 3, the only male besides Abram to win them. I wouldn't put him in the "bottom of the pile".[/QUOTE] I would! lol. He was the only MALE to win a lifeshield on HIS team. Susie won more life shields than him.She won 3! Janelle, Paula and Ace all won 1 lifeshield, also. These are the facts. He's an okay competitor, in my book.And I mean physical-wise. I think strategically and socially, he plays the game unfair...but, i would put him at the bottom of the pile. Tyrie, Kenny and Danny were all "at the bottom".

[QUOTE=kdub90;206497]I would! lol. He was the only MALE to win a lifeshield on HIS team. Susie won more life shields than him.She won 3! Janelle, Paula and Ace all won 1 lifeshield, also. These are the facts. He's an okay competitor, in my book.And I mean physical-wise. I think strategically and socially, he plays the game unfair...but, i would put him at the bottom of the pile. Tyrie, Kenny and Danny were all "at the bottom".[/QUOTE] I know those are the facts, I read them on Wikipedia. Yeah, Susie won three times, but if I remember correctly her team threw the missions so that she would win it. By looking at the "facts" I would rank the Bad ***** men as, 1. Abram 2. Kenny 3. Derrick 4. Danny 5. Tyrie

[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;206498]I know those are the facts, I read them on Wikipedia. Yeah, Susie won three times, but if I remember correctly her team threw the missions so that she would win it. By looking at the "facts" I would rank the Bad ***** men as, 1. Abram 2. Kenny 3. Derrick 4. Danny 5. Tyrie[/QUOTE] You got me tickled! You just ranked Kenny higher than Derrick! That's laughable! Derrick is a waaay better competitor than Kenny. Becuz he won 2 lifeshields, and Derrick won 0, I'll give him that! But, Derrick's challenege record speaks for itself. Even though he has losses, he is a tough competitor. Derrick is more seasoned and experienced at the challenges than Mr. Pretty. Derrick is quicker and stronger; and Kenny isn't the best with puzzles.I hope we get Gauntlet 2 Derrick back for Cutthroat!

I am sooo glad that Kenny, Evan and Wes are not on Cutthroat. Now, I like Wes, but he gets a lot more cameratime than most people. Since we have alot of rookies and newbies, I'd like to see more of them! And with Kenny and Evan out of the picture, I think we MIGHT, just maybe, have a fair challenge! Johnny was a bit joyful when talking in a scene from the trailer/promo clips, but then he also said he'd "stab you in the face, not in the back." So, IDK! Ithink Kenny and Evan have kinda tainted the challenges. Have they brought their fair share of entertainment? Yes. But I'm on Kenny, Evan overload!lol.I'm really tired of seeing them screw people over and win money they don't deserve to. I hop all 4 of them are on the Duel 3 along with the best competitors! Derrick is the only one I can see holding his own. He proved that on The Gauntlet 2! If they did a Gauntlet 4. I'd want it to be Kenny, Evan, Derrick, Johnny, Abram, Syrus, Darrel and Alton all on the Vet's Team. I'm sure Syrus would love to get pay back! And they have to have Casey, Shevaun and Mandi on the Vet's team, too! I'd love to see that! I can see Johnny going 1st. Kenny 2nd. Syrus 3rd. Evan 4th.Shevaun 1st.Casey 2nd.Mandi 3rd. I'd wanna see any challenge where JEK get screwed.But not before they do a little back-stabbing to each other.

[QUOTE=kdub90;206468]WoW! Where do I begin?lol. CT's 40% isn't better than Brad's 110%. CT doesn't even have the brain cells to unclip a flag properly. If he was smart (and so much better than Brad), all he had to do was push him enough to where he can easily lean over and unclip the flag. He went on brute force. And he still was still a bit of a hassle for CT to push him. He was trying his hardest. And Brad had alot of bisuness beating Brad. IDK what was wrong with Landon. But a win is a win; even if you hate it. And OMG! Did you not see the Duel 2 finale?! He almost ruined his legs in the final challenge! It took all he could muster to finish. (And on a side-note. When Evan was doing elevator in the final challenge, I can't say he went all the way down before he hopped out of the seat. I bet he knew he was about to accept his true fate:losing. haha! just kidding about the true fate.But Evan was the one who got lucky. I think Brad is a better competitor than Evan. Just my opinion.)So, really Brad got unlucky in that situation, becuz he couldn't perform at his best. I laugh at how Evan got to be on the champion's team after beating a "beat-up" Brad! AHHAHA! As far as the puzzle goes. Who thinks CT is smart? CT has proven to be more brawn than brains. I probably wouldn't have listened to CT either. IDK. If CT was dominating Brad, why was he struggling to push him and keep him held back. It should have been easy to take some steps. And if CT wouldn't have pushed Eric so hard...there's a very, very, slim chance they might have actually won.very slim.Either way CT was too hard on Eric. If you saw the episode, you'd see that CT was yanking him very hard. Eric was just trying to hold on. Why do think Brad was so upset with CT and was trying to defend Eric? Becuz CT was to hard on him. CT was the bale of hay that broke the camels' back. I would go back and rewatch some of the episodes.Just a suggestion. Anymore questions? :smoke:[/QUOTE] CT could have a broken arm and still whoop Brad at pretty much anything they have them do on these shows. Brad's never stood out as being an elite player on any team he's been on... meanwhile CT has had guys like Mike, Derrick, and Abe on his teams and outperformed them considerably 80% of the time. Heck, speaking of a broken arm... CT still outperformed Mike, Landon, Abe, Darrell, and Derrick on the Inferno 2 season while competing on a shot ankle! I also don't know what channel you had it on when CT & Brad had their Duel... but CT destroyed him. The other Push Me Duels that season took like an average of a half hour before somebody even got into position to get to the flag... Chris got to the flag within seconds of TJ giving them the go ahead to start. The only "fight" Brad put up in that Duel was when CT was standing in a stationary position bending over and getting ready to reach down for the flag. I'd hope Brad would be able to move the pole a little bit when the guy on the other end is basically just standing with his bodyweight against it. When it came to the physical strength aspect of actually pushing the pole to get to the flag... a person may have thought they were doing that Duel on a sheet of ice the way Brad went sliding backwards against his will. CT pushed him back with absolutely zero difficulty. As for CT not unclipping the flag... he did unclip the flag properly. What you saw and TJ saw was the little metal ring that was used to shorten the slack of the string holding the flag down get ripped off. You can see it go flying if you look closely while CT falls backwards. He then gets up holding the flag, string, and clip all intact, but he "ripped the flag" off. If those three things were all still together, he couldn't have ripped it off. Peter Griffin could even figure that one out but I guess TJ Lavin was too burnt out at the time to exercise common sense on that one. Also, if CT hadn't been there on that final mission on Gauntlet 3, Eric would've never even made it to the beach and if he had, it would've taken him 3 days to swim that far. He gave up within 100 feet of the boat and had to have CT drag his fat carcass through the water almost a half a mile just to get him to the shore!

Also, how did Evan "get lucky" by beating Brad? Brad had such a lead on him at one point it was ridiculous, Evan had to wait there forever for that one chick to get there so he could advance to the next stage of the finale. He busted his *** to catch up to Brad while Brad walked and dogged it. He got content with a big lead and took it easy thinking he could just coast the rest of the way, simple as that. I don't get how you can justify saying Brad is a better competitor than Evan, or suggest he is a better competitor than CT, when it's clearly not the case. CT and Evan have both outperformed Brad ridiculously on any show they've done with him. They dominated on the Duel... Brad was just kind of "there" the whole time. On Gauntlet 3 when they were all on the same team, CT was leading the team and calling the shots, Evan was his sidekick, and Brad was just a "yes man" on the team. Even Brad himself recognizes his place in the hierarchy on these shows when he is in the company of the elite players... why can't you? I also suppose it's CT's fault for stuffing Eric's face full of Little Debbie cakes, soda, and beer all those years to contribute to his obesity and inability to catch his breath or get his heartrate down while moving along at the unbelievable gut busting speed of a moderate walk.

[QUOTE=townie;206508]I also suppose it's CT's fault for stuffing Eric's face full of Little Debbie cakes, soda, and beer all those years to contribute to his obesity and inability to catch his breath or get his heartrate down while moving along at the unbelievable gut busting speed of a moderate walk.[/QUOTE] ROFL !!!

Brad had his chance on the Ruins to act like a leader, and if he hadn't fought with Darrel you probably wouldn't have realized he was even on the show.

[QUOTE=townie;206508]Also, how did Evan "get lucky" by beating Brad? Brad had such a lead on him at one point it was ridiculous, Evan had to wait there forever for that one chick to get there so he could advance to the next stage of the finale. He busted his *** to catch up to Brad while Brad walked and dogged it. He got content with a big lead and took it easy thinking he could just coast the rest of the way, simple as that. I don't get how you can justify saying Brad is a better competitor than Evan, or suggest he is a better competitor than CT, when it's clearly not the case. CT and Evan have both outperformed Brad ridiculously on any show they've done with him. They dominated on the Duel... Brad was just kind of "there" the whole time. On Gauntlet 3 when they were all on the same team, CT was leading the team and calling the shots, Evan was his sidekick, and Brad was just a "yes man" on the team. Even Brad himself recognizes his place in the hierarchy on these shows when he is in the company of the elite players... why can't you? I also suppose it's CT's fault for stuffing Eric's face full of Little Debbie cakes, soda, and beer all those years to contribute to his obesity and inability to catch his breath or get his heartrate down while moving along at the unbelievable gut busting speed of a moderate walk.[/QUOTE] Cause Brad dug up the whole pile of dirt while Rachel did nothing. Brad tired himself out and after that he was too exhausted to run while Evan and Brittini dug it up evenly.

I know it is too early to tell.. but if the next challenge is the Duel (which most likely is due to the 3 challenges in-between pattern) Then here are some possible returning for the Duel 3 cause of these sources: [COLOR=black][B][U]CAST SPECULATION (not 100 % correct)[/U][/B][/COLOR] (atleast one/third should appear on this challenge) 1. [COLOR=navy][B]Mark Long[/B][/COLOR] (tweeted saying he will return for another challenge; agreed with Darrell that doing another Duel would be fine for him) 2. [B][COLOR=navy]Darrell Taylor[/COLOR][/B] (in the Fresh Meat 2 Episode 1 aftershow he told Mark that he would only do another challenge if it was a Duel) 3. [B][COLOR=navy]Evelyn Smith[/COLOR][/B] (stated in the reunion she was tired of competing with others and wanted to compete individually to prove herself best competitor; maybe she skipped Cutthroat in order to do the Duel 3) 4. [B][COLOR=red]Jeff Barr[/COLOR][/B] (said on facebook he will return for another challenge - maybe this one : SOURCE according to a couple of Vevmo users) 5. [B][COLOR=darkorange]Kenny Santucci[/COLOR][/B] or [B][COLOR=darkorange]Evan Starkman[/COLOR][/B] (maybe going to be called back as usual; one of them should return due to skipping challenge/s) 6. [COLOR=green][B]Jillian Zoboroski[/B][/COLOR] (told facebook users that she will compete in another challenge out of school [college] schedule) [COLOR=black]Who are some other challenges that said they would like to compete in a duel.[/COLOR] [B]KEY[/B] [COLOR=navy][B]BLUE - [/B]Actually stated on television; very sourceful[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkorange][B]ORANGE[/B] - May actually happen; predictful[/COLOR] [COLOR=green][B]GREEN - [/B]not so important; never witnessed myself[/COLOR] [COLOR=red][B]RED[/B] - according to a couple of other people[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][B]Mark Long[/B] and [B]Darrell Taylor's[/B] Source (time: 16m30s-43s; 16m55s-17m05s)[/COLOR] [URL]http://www.mtv.com/videos/the-challenge-fresh-meat-ii-ep-1-aftershow/1635549/playlist.jhtml[/URL] [B]Evelyn Smith's[/B] Source I will need to find the source, I can't remember if it was FM2 or the Ruins reunion. All I know is that she wanted to compete individually. Can anybody help me find it?

[QUOTE=townie;206507] [COLOR="DarkRed"]The other Push Me Duels that season took like an average of a half hour before somebody even got into position to get to the flag... [/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]As for CT not unclipping the flag... he did unclip the flag properly.[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Also, if CT hadn't been there on that final mission on Gauntlet 3, Eric would've never even made it to the beach and if he had, it would've taken him 3 days to swim that far. He gave up within 100 feet of the boat and had to have CT drag his fat carcass through the water almost a half a mile just to get him to the shore![/COLOR][/QUOTE] [COLOR="DarkRed"]On The Duel, CT and Brad had the only male Duel. And if I remember correctly, Svetlana took Kina "for a ride!"[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslateblue"]That's why TJ DQ'ed him? Becuz he unclipped the flag properly?[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkslategray"]I never stated that CT wasn't a huge asset to the vet's team, becuz he was. However, at certain points he pushed him too hard; which, in turn, caused Eric to give out.[/COLOR] [QUOTE=townie;206508] [COLOR="darkgreen"] He got content with a big lead and took it easy thinking he could just coast the rest of the way, simple as that.[/COLOR] I don't get how you can justify saying Brad is a better competitor than Evan, or suggest he is a better competitor than CT, when it's clearly not the case. CT and Evan have both outperformed Brad ridiculously on any show they've done with him. They dominated on the Duel... Brad was just kind of "there" the whole time. On Gauntlet 3 when they were all on the same team, CT was leading the team and calling the shots, Evan was his sidekick, and Brad was just a "yes man" on the team. [COLOR="Olive"] Even Brad himself recognizes his place in the hierarchy on these shows when he is in the company of the elite players... why can't you?[/COLOR][/QUOTE] It doesn't matter that Evan had to wait on Brittni. He should have beaten Brad to that checkpoint. Brad outperformed Evan at the first couple of checkpoints. Simple as that. If Evan would have made it that checkpoint first, he wouldv'e had the advantage. But, he didn't. [COLOR="darkgreen"]If you watched the episode, Brad says he was trying to keep a lead on him. His leg was cramping up. He was trying to keep his leg from giving out.[/COLOR] [COLOR="olive"]Now, that's just cold-blooded![/COLOR] And for the record: Evan was the yes-man! Brad was too cool for them fools! I have never ever said that Brad is a better competitor than CT, becuz he isn't! That's bonkers! Please, don't misquote me.I do, however, think that Brad is better than Evan. That's my opinion. Brad is more nimble, smarter. (Evan didn't even understand the instruction for the "pole wrestle" portion of the final challenge). [QUOTE=jhl182;206558]Cause Brad dug up the whole pile of dirt while Rachel did nothing. Brad tired himself out and after that he was too exhausted to run while Evan and Brittini dug it up evenly.[/QUOTE] I thought I was the only one who watched The Duel 2 finale! I'm done with this. I can't watch the challenges for you. I don't feel like commenting on this again. Some people are set on somethings. I'm tired. You have an opinion, just like me, so I can respect. I hope you can agree to disagree. Thankyou.

In the duel 1 evan won 5 missions in a row, he was the player who won more missions in that challenge, and was eliminated by ct, brad only won 1 mission, in the duel 2 evan won two missions, 3 face offs and won the final mission, brad didn't win any mission in the duel 2.

[QUOTE=kdub90;206501]You got me tickled! You just ranked Kenny higher than Derrick! That's laughable! Derrick is a waaay better competitor than Kenny. Becuz he won 2 lifeshields, and Derrick won 0, I'll give him that! But, Derrick's challenege record speaks for itself. Even though he has losses, he is a tough competitor. Derrick is more seasoned and experienced at the challenges than Mr. Pretty. Derrick is quicker and stronger; and Kenny isn't the best with puzzles.I hope we get Gauntlet 2 Derrick back for Cutthroat![/QUOTE] I'm not saying in general Kenny is better than Derrick (he's not, that is laughable), but on this particular challenge, Inferno 3, I would rank Kenny higher.