[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;202496]I can't think people are boring? Dont give me that **** that Derrick and MJ are there for the "right" reasons. If they wanted to support their families so bad, they would get a real job, instead of doing the challenges and making appearances. They do the shows to be recognized. Both guys would jump over to do another challenge. I can possibly understand leaving your family once for a month and half to try and win some money, but doing it over and over again? really?
They are boring, and that's why they aren't shown so much. Believe me, Derrick probably does the most confessionals.[/QUOTE]
We want drama, not fights. We want that Derrick from the Gauntlet 2! Not Derrick lying on the beach and looking at family photos. We want that Derrick which fought in duels one on one and showed what he can do.
[QUOTE=4realWORLD;202508]We want drama, not fights. We want that Derrick from the Gauntlet 2! Not Derrick lying on the beach and looking at family photos. We want that Derrick which fought in duels one on one and showed what he can do.[/QUOTE]
I get that you want the old Derrick back, but people change. It's just part of life. I doubt we will see the old Derrick again, unless we get lucky.
For the record, I don't want anyone to think I dislike Derrick. I like him a lot and he is an awesome competitor, but he is boring. There isn't anything wrong with that. Like Fab said, people change. He changed.
And I don't think there are "right" or "wrong" reason to win the money. He may have a child and wife to support, but another person might have an ailing mother, or need to pay off loans...
To be completely honest, I don't like Derrick and really never have. During his RR season, I thought he was a ****. Ever since then, he's just annoyed me. It's sort of the same thing with Katie. Everyone seems to love her, but I don't see it.
hahahahhahahahhaahahahhahaha molds you are soooo funny!!!!
My post doesn't make sense, do to the edits ;) but I was thanking lamb chop for being honest about how he acted on his season.
When was "reality bar crawl" filmed? I'm watching it on youtube now and it features a bunch of rr/rw castmembers. I'm assuming 2004? Since Paris people are on there and Dave (RR: South Pacific) is still with Cara.
[QUOTE=jhl182;202704]When was "reality bar crawl" filmed? I'm watching it on youtube now and it features a bunch of rr/rw castmembers. I'm assuming 2004? Since Paris people are on there and Dave (RR: South Pacific) is still with Cara.[/QUOTE]
Yeah should be right after the Gauntlet by the sounds of it, which is 2004.
[QUOTE=jhl182;202704]When was "reality bar crawl" filmed? I'm watching it on youtube now and it features a bunch of rr/rw castmembers. I'm assuming 2004? Since Paris people are on there and Dave (RR: South Pacific) is still with Cara.[/QUOTE]
Definitely must have been in 2004, but I think it might have taken place starting in 2003 and rolled over to 2004 or something. I think there was one between The Gauntlet and The Inferno.
[QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;202673]To be completely honest, I don't like Derrick and really never have. During his RR season, I thought he was a ****. Ever since then, he's just annoyed me. It's sort of the same thing with Katie. Everyone seems to love her, but I don't see it.[/QUOTE],
Derrick is my favorite challenger of all time..
I am also pretty frustrated at the fact that he can't do what he did in the Gauntlet 2, but he wants to play the game safe. Hopefully he will win 4 and counting.
And whoever says Derrick isn't great TV.. must be right, but how many great challengers aren't great TV? Many of them. Look at Landon, Rachel,Diem, and Jodi. (They are considered some of the best, but they are boring as well)
Great TV consists of many drama, jokes, and fighting (here are some of the most entertaining in challenge history):
The Miz, Kenny, Evan, C.T, Abram, Katie, Jenn, Paula, Coral and Mark. Who Else did I miss?
[B]Here are some Key Match-ups..[/B]
Who is better?
You decide! Describe , why?
1. Tonya or Katie
2. Jenn or Robin
3. Kenny or Evan
4. Derrick or Brad
5. Danny or Nehemiah
A Huge Question:
Please Answer! Order from best to worst!
6. Jodi,Susie, Rachel or Evelyn? Who is the challenge queen?
[QUOTE=brealsmooth;202720]Derrick is my favorite challenger of all time..
I am also pretty frustrated at the fact that he can't do what he did in the Gauntlet 2, but he wants to play the game safe. Hopefully he will win 4 and counting.
[B]Here are some Key Match-ups..[/B]
Who is better?
You decide! Describe , why?
1. Tonya or Katie
2. Jenn or Robin
3. Kenny or Evan
4. Derrick or Brad
5. Danny or Nehemiah
A Huge Question:
Please Answer! Order from best to worst!
6. Jodi,Susie, Rachel or Evelyn? Who is the challenge queen?[/QUOTE]
Uhh Veronica is the challenge queen. She's won the most challenges for the females with 3 wins.
Susie? Really?
Extreme Challenge - Horrible competitor, team wanted her gone
Gauntlet 2 - team wanted her gone because of Alliance but never went into gauntlet because they were more concerned with Cara and Jillian. Managed to win the final challenge ONLY because it turned out to be an eating contest.
Inferno 3 - both teams wanted her gone. Won lifesavers because castmembers/cara threw the mission. won 1 inferno because Jenn's carabiner was jammed.
Ruins - Only challenge where she somewhat proved herself. Though she NEVER went against Kelly-Anne.
[QUOTE=brealsmooth;202720]Derrick is my favorite challenger of all time..
I am also pretty frustrated at the fact that he can't do what he did in the Gauntlet 2, but he wants to play the game safe. Hopefully he will win 4 and counting.
[B]Here are some Key Match-ups..[/B]
Who is better?
You decide! Describe , why?
1. Tonya or Katie
2. Jenn or Robin
3. Kenny or Evan
4. Derrick or Brad
5. Danny or Nehemiah
A Huge Question:
Please Answer! Order from best to worst!
6. Jodi,Susie, Rachel or Evelyn? Who is the challenge queen?[/QUOTE]
Tonya
slight nod to Robin
Evan by a mile
slightest of nods to Derrick
Nehemiah
Evelyn > Rachel > Jodi > Susie (who's one of my favorite challengers)
[QUOTE=jhl182;202723]Uhh Veronica is the challenge queen. She's won the most challenges for the females with 3 wins.
Susie? Really?
Extreme Challenge - Horrible competitor, team wanted her gone
Gauntlet 2 - team wanted her gone because of Alliance but never went into gauntlet because they were more concerned with Cara and Jillian. Managed to win the final challenge ONLY because it turned out to be an eating contest.
Inferno 3 - both teams wanted her gone. Won lifesavers because castmembers/cara threw the mission. won 1 inferno because Janelle's carabiner was jammed.
Ruins - Only challenge where she somewhat proved herself. Though she NEVER went against Kelly-Anne.[/QUOTE]
I feel like if there were 5 competitors running up for the challenge queen,Veronica would of been added.. but I honestly do not think she is betterthan Susie. She obviously performed horrible in the Ruins by losing to KellyAnne(who she was scared of). Susie made it to the final challenge. Veronica is 3 for 8 in challenge wins. Susie is 2 for 4 in challenge wins.. if I do remember correctly. If she appeared on 4 more like Veronica's total amount she would of passed 3 for sure. Susie's elimination record is also better than Veronica's record.
[B]Susie[/B] 4-0
[B]Veronica [/B]1-1
I just stated facts that Susie is better and they all made perfect sense.
[QUOTE=brealsmooth;202729]I feel like if there were 5 competitors running up for the challenge queen,Veronica would of been added.. but I honestly do not think she is betterthan Susie. She obviously performed horrible in the Ruins by losing to KellyAnne(who she was scared of). Susie made it to the final challenge. Veronica is 3 for 8 in challenge wins. Susie is 2 for 4 in challenge wins.. if I do remember correctly. If she appeared on 4 more like Veronica's total amount she would of passed 3 for sure. Susie's elimination record is also better than Veronica's record.
[B]Susie[/B] 4-0
[B]Veronica [/B]1-1
I just stated facts that Susie is better and they all made perfect sense.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the other challenges she lost was not because she was a bad competitor.
BOTSeasons - got voted off because she was a threat (great competitor)
BOTsexes - voted off cause Emily hated her and wanted her gone. Also a threat in points.
BOTsexes2 - personal, between her and Tonya and the girls chose Tonya to stay.
Inferno 2 - Made it to the end, lost because of Tonya and Tina.
Ruins - Not in the alliance, only four girls left. 3 of them were in the alliance (Ibis, Johanna, and Susie).
none of those were because she did bad. She avoided many elimination rounds AS DID RACHEL and Rachel is a great competitor. Rachel's record is only 2 wins out of 6 challenges.
Veronica won man lifesavers fairly and outperformed many of the guys (gauntlet/inferno). Veronica scored well on BOTsexes making it to the Inner Circle twice.
Veronica did well on the challenges in The Ruins, but didn't do so well in the elimination round against Kelly-Anne.
Susie's eliminations wins aren't even that great..most of them were defeating newbies and Casey...Susie would've lost against Kelly-Anne for sure, like Veronica did.
1) Tonya vs Katie- [B]Tonya[/B](she is stronger and mentally more tougher, also quicker).
2) Jenn vs Robin-[B]Jenn[/B](she won 3 elimination rounds, while Robin lost everytime she went in).
3) Kenny vs Evan-[B]Evan[/B](5-1 in elimination rounds, while Kenny is 0-1, not to mention he lost to Nehemiah, who Evan defeated)
4) Derrick vs Brad-[B]Derrick[/B](Quicker, more athletic, and as a better elimination round record)
5) Danny vs Nehemiah-[B]Nehemia[/B]h(Better elimination round record, also smarter and more athletic).
6) Ev, Rachel, Susie, Jodi- [B]In that order[/B].
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Note- Susie has surpassed Veronica as a competitor all time(who would of thought?). Veronica was a top competitor, but Susie elimination round record puts here over. Susie would also beat Veronica in an elimination(either physical or puzzle).
[QUOTE=jhl182;202723]Uhh Veronica is the challenge queen. She's won the most challenges for the females with 3 wins.
Susie? Really?
Extreme Challenge - Horrible competitor, team wanted her gone
Gauntlet 2 - team wanted her gone because of Alliance but never went into gauntlet because they were more concerned with Cara and Jillian. Managed to win the final challenge ONLY because it turned out to be an eating contest.
Inferno 3 - both teams wanted her gone. Won lifesavers because castmembers/cara threw the mission. won 1 inferno because Jenn's carabiner was jammed.
Ruins - Only challenge where she somewhat proved herself. Though she NEVER went against Kelly-Anne.[/QUOTE]
This is so full of mistakes and contradictions.
Gauntlet 2: The team wanted Ibis gone because she had DQ'd 2 missions in a row. Kina didn't feel confident agaisnt Ibis or Susie and chose Jillian. She could have chosen Susie if she wanted to, the team wasn't pressuring her to chose Jillian at all, they wanted Ibis if anyone.
Inferno 3: She was nominated for all 4 girl Infernos. She won 3 life shields. The 1st (Wrap and Roll) was by completing a mission that nobody else on either team could complete. Are you telling me that everybody on both teams threw the mission so Susie alone could win the life shield? The 2nd (Steady as you Go) was won by posting the best time out of any girl on either team, again, where the bad *** girls also throwing the challenges for Susie? She then beat Jenn in the Inferno by more than 2 flags, Jenn was hardly struggling with her caribiner for the length of two flags. She won her 3rd (Nothing but Net) by completing a mission where Evelyn and her were the only two girls that could complete it.
The Ruins: 3 elimination rounds, none of those 3 were anything special. Still more than anybody else I think.
Susie's awesome to me. Athletically I'd put so many people ahead of her, but she's just so clutch, which is way more impressive to me sometimes.
[QUOTE=jhl182;202748]Yeah the other challenges she lost was not because she was a bad competitor.
BOTSeasons - got voted off because she was a threat (great competitor)
BOTsexes - voted off cause Emily hated her and wanted her gone. Also a threat in points.
BOTsexes2 - personal, between her and Tonya and the girls chose Tonya to stay.
Inferno 2 - Made it to the end, lost because of Tonya and Tina.
Ruins - Not in the alliance, only four girls left. 3 of them were in the alliance (Ibis, Johanna, and Susie).
none of those were because she did bad. She avoided many elimination rounds AS DID RACHEL and Rachel is a great competitor. Rachel's record is only 2 wins out of 6 challenges.
Veronica won man lifesavers fairly and outperformed many of the guys (gauntlet/inferno). Veronica scored well on BOTsexes making it to the Inner Circle twice.
Veronica did well on the challenges in The Ruins, but didn't do so well in the elimination round against Kelly-Anne.
Susie's eliminations wins aren't even that great..most of them were defeating newbies and Casey...Susie would've lost against Kelly-Anne for sure, like Veronica did.[/QUOTE]
[B]Okay if the Top 5 Challenge Queens were:[/B]
Statiscally wise, the order is like this
1. [B]Susie[/B] 4-0 (2 out of 4 challenge wins)
2. [B]Veronica[/B] 1-1 (3 out of 8 challenge wins)
3. [B]Jodi[/B] 0-1 (2 out of 3 challenge wins)
4. [B]Evelyn[/B] 3-3 (2 out of 6 challenge wins)
5. [B]Rachel[/B] 0-0 (2 out of 6 challenge wins)
What would be your order be?
[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;202758]This is so full of mistakes and contradictions.
Gauntlet 2: The team wanted Ibis gone because she had DQ'd 2 missions in a row. Kina didn't feel confident agaisnt Ibis or Susie and chose Jillian. She could have chosen Susie if she wanted to, the team wasn't pressuring her to chose Jillian at all, they wanted Ibis if anyone.
Inferno 3: She was nominated for all 4 girl Infernos. She won 3 life shields. The 1st (Wrap and Roll) was by completing a mission that nobody else on either team could complete. Are you telling me that everybody on both teams threw the mission so Susie alone could win the life shield? The 2nd (Steady as you Go) was won by posting the best time out of any girl on either team, again, where the bad *** girls also throwing the challenges for Susie? She then beat Jenn in the Inferno by more than 2 flags, Jenn was hardly struggling with her caribiner for the length of two flags. She won her 3rd (Nothing but Net) by completing a mission where Evelyn and her were the only two girls that could complete it.
The Ruins: 3 elimination rounds, none of those 3 were anything special. Still more than anybody else I think.
Susie's awesome to me. Athletically I'd put so many people ahead of her, but she's just so clutch, which is way more impressive to me sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I have all these seasons by the way. Inferno 3, her team threw it so that she could win the lifeshield so that Rachel could go in the Inferno. Rachel goes in and loses. It's HER team throwing it not the other team. Did you watch the show? She had an alliance, her, Cara and Colie. They protected Susie cause they liked her more than Paula. Cara kept throwing the missions to make sure Susie could win the lifeshield. The whole team wanted her and Cara gone. That's pretty much what the inferno 3 was about sadly. This causes Paula to break down and cry because she feels she deserves to be here over Susie and Cara because they haven't proven themselves in the challenge.
Susie did great in the Ruins, but thats 1 challenge. Veronica did great in many challenges. Did you watch Challenge 2000 and Extreme Challenge? I have it on DVD and Susie did HORRIBLE while Veronica did very well in the competitions. Veronica won many lifesavers fairly, winning missions. Susie's won 1 lifeshield fairly..the rest were cause the girls threw it so she would be saved. Veronica had 1 lifesaver thrown for her, the rest she won fairly.
[QUOTE=jhl182;202763]I have all these seasons by the way. Inferno 3, her team threw it so that she could win the lifeshield so that Rachel could go in the Inferno. Rachel goes in and loses. It's HER team throwing it not the other team. Did you watch the show? She had an alliance, her, Cara and Colie. They protected Susie cause they liked her more than Paula. Cara kept throwing the missions to make sure Susie could win the lifeshield. The whole team wanted her and Cara gone. That's pretty much what the inferno 3 was about sadly. This causes Paula to break down and cry because she feels she deserves to be here over Susie and Cara because they haven't proven themselves in the challenge. [/QUOTE]
Anybody with the internet has access to challenges 5-19 so it's not a point of validation to simply incorrect arguments.
You need to rewatch the Inferno 3 if you think I'm wrong. Everything I said is a fact.
Susie won her first life shield [B]completing a mission that nobody else could complete[/B], nobody but her and her partner Alton. Everybody else on both teams failed.
Susie won her second life shield posting the best time out anybody on [B]both teams.[/B]
Susie beat Jenn by the length of two flags. Two out of four. Jenn didn't struggle with her caribiner for her to have lost that badly. You think she was struggling with her caribiner for half the total time of that Inferno?
Susie won her fourth life shield completing a challenge that [b]no girl other than herself and Evelyn could complete. Including Paula.[/b]
Do you disagree with any of this? Because as tedious as it would be for me to go through the episodes and do several printscreens and upload them to imagebucket, I'm more than able to post screen caps from the actual episodes backing everything I just wrote up.
No matter how many times Cara threw a mission so she wouldn't do better than Susie, it simply wouldn't have mattered, Cara wasn't going to beat Susie on a mission anyways, and that didn't change the fact that Paula or any of the bad *** girls weren't throwing missions and Susie was still very consistently out performing them.
I don't see the point in bringing up Veronica. They did one challenge together, and there's not a lot to compare them on. I know you think Veronica's better, but incorrectly revising Susie's history doesn't make Veronica look any better.
Does anybody know how to access the gauntlet 2 aftershows? The only one I can find is the Kina + Randy one. It's a shame, this was my favorite season for the aftershow.
There's a Ruins marathon currently airing on VH1 for those who are interested. It's almost over (at the Susie-Kim/Dunbar-Bananas matchups) but yeah. Whoo.
[QUOTE=molds13;202826]There's a Ruins marathon currently airing on VH1 for those who are interested. It's almost over (at the Susie-Kim/Dunbar-Bananas matchups) but yeah. Whoo.[/QUOTE]
I think they had a FM2 marathon over the weekend also. I caught it too late to post about it since they were already at the episode right before the finale.
I know there has been a discussion of the top 50 best competitors in challenge history, how about some of the worst to play the game.
[B]SOME OF THE WORST CHALLENGERS:[/B]
In order for competitors to be listed:
-They must be competitors who are always going home early
-Lack very much athleticism (like Alex from RW: Denver)
-Known for mental breakdowns
-Horrible elimination record
*[B]BOLDED[/B] Competitors key the absolute worst
*[COLOR=red]RED-COLORED[/COLOR] Competitors meaning they probably don't belong in the category.
1. Jo (RW: San Francisco)
2. *[B]Cameran [/B](RW: San Diego)
[COLOR=black]3. *[B]Casey[/B] (Fresh Meat) [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]4. Montana (RW: Boston) [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]5. [COLOR=red]Danny[/COLOR] (RW: Austin) [/COLOR]
6.[COLOR=red] Katie[/COLOR] (RR: The Quest)
7. [COLOR=red]Tyler[/COLOR] (RW: Key West)
8. [B]*Brooke[/B] (RW: Denver)
9. [B]*Alex[/B] (RW: Denver)
10. *[B]Shauvon[/B] (RW: Sydney)
11. Ashli (RW: Sydney)
12. *[B]Dave[/B] (RW: Hollywood)
13. [B]*Nick[/B] (RW: Hollywood)
I don't think Alex was very non-athletic. It seemed more like he just didn't want to be there.
My worst competitor list: Casey, Shauvon. At the top. No doubt. Maybe Cameran, Brooke, or Nick.
Also, you saw Ashli in only one mission, with an injured toe. I think she should at least be given a chance to redeem herself, before we start saying she's terrible.
[QUOTE=brealsmooth;202861]I know there has been a discussion of the top 50 best competitors in challenge history, how about some of the worst to play the game.
[B]SOME OF THE WORST CHALLENGERS:[/B]
In order for competitors to be listed:
-They must be competitors who are always going home early
-Lack very much athleticism (like Alex from RW: Denver)
-Known for mental breakdowns
-Horrible elimination record
*[B]BOLDED[/B] Competitors key the absolute worst
*[COLOR=red]RED-COLORED[/COLOR] Competitors meaning they probably don't belong in the category.
1. Jo (RW: San Francisco)
2. *[B]Cameran [/B](RW: San Diego)
[COLOR=black]3. *[B]Casey[/B] (Fresh Meat) [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]4. Montana (RW: Boston) [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]5. [COLOR=red]Danny[/COLOR] (RW: Austin) [/COLOR]
6.[COLOR=red] Katie[/COLOR] (RR: The Quest)
7. [COLOR=red]Tyler[/COLOR] (RW: Key West)
8. [B]*Brooke[/B] (RW: Denver)
9. [B]*Alex[/B] (RW: Denver)
10. *[B]Shauvon[/B] (RW: Sydney)
11. Ashli (RW: Sydney)
12. *[B]Dave[/B] (RW: Hollywood)
13. [B]*Nick[/B] (RW: Hollywood)[/QUOTE]
How do you know how Jo or Dave performed when they've never participated in a single mission on the challenges they appeared on?
Katie really isn't a horrible competitor. She is terrified of heights, so that factors in, but if you re-watch the Inferno she stepped up her game in a lot of missions.
She is short and weighs 100-110 lbs. So that gives her a disadvantage. But she is aggressive as hell.
To put it in perspective, Sarah is probably 5'9- 5'10 and weighs 160. When Katie goes into a physical gauntlet against someone the odds are against her. But her social skills and outgoing personality helps her a lot!
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;202871]Katie really isn't a horrible competitor. She is terrified of heights, so that factors in, but if you re-watch the Inferno she stepped up her game in a lot of missions.
She is short and weighs 100-110 lbs. So that gives her a disadvantage. But she is aggressive as hell.
To put it in perspective, Sarah is probably 5'9- 5'10 and weighs 160. When Katie goes into a physical gauntlet against someone the odds are against her. But her social skills and outgoing personality helps her a lot![/QUOTE]
I do agree Sarah is probably stronger but I don't think she weighs 160lbs.
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