Chris "CT" Tamburello

Adrian, if you aren't a fan of CT then I don't know why you are here talking about him. Being tall does give you an advantage. Some shorter people are good enough to get over that disadvantage and win but it does help. In the first Duel where they were jumping back and forth across planks and collecting flags, CT was dominating that challenge. Then Derrick goes up and starts to go really fast and was on pace to beat even CT but Derrick was too short and couldn't make it across whereas CT was tall enough to just jump back and forth. You may like Alton more so you're saying Alton would beat CT but the only think Alton would ever beat CT in is climbing. We saw Alton and everyone else on the I3 cast struggling with the Dog Sled mission but I would bet money that CT would have won that challenge. See? Bigger and stronger does sometimes help. Fabulous, that picture is deceiving. That makes it seem like Kenny is a freaking giant. Like I said before, pictures can be positioned to make it look like someone is bigger/smaller.

Heh unsurprising that it makes Kenny look like he has a big head...

[QUOTE=faceless;187239]Adrian, if you aren't a fan of CT then I don't know why you are here talking about him. Being tall does give you an advantage. Some shorter people are good enough to get over that disadvantage and win but it does help. In the first Duel where they were jumping back and forth across planks and collecting flags, CT was dominating that challenge. Then Derrick goes up and starts to go really fast and was on pace to beat even CT but Derrick was too short and couldn't make it across whereas CT was tall enough to just jump back and forth. You may like Alton more so you're saying Alton would beat CT but the only think Alton would ever beat CT in is climbing. We saw Alton and everyone else on the I3 cast struggling with the Dog Sled mission but I would bet money that CT would have won that challenge. See? Bigger and stronger does sometimes help. Fabulous, that picture is deceiving. That makes it seem like Kenny is a freaking giant. Like I said before, pictures can be positioned to make it look like someone is bigger/smaller.[/QUOTE] I'm just tired of everyone acting as if CT is the King of the challenges or something when he hasn't even won any challenges out of 6 that he has been on and been kicked off two of them for fighting, He's only been in two eliminations that I know of (one of which he DQ'd himself in) and his strategies like "trimming the fat" ect. seem to fail miserably. CT has been really great in the missions, which is the only reason CT is put in the greatest competitors debate but Alton (Gauntlet 2) and Landon (Inferno 2, Fresh Meat 2, and The Duel 2) were just as good and they went in and kicked *** in multiple eliminations (Alton 4-0 in eliminations in two challenges) and ( Landon 5-1 in eliminations in three challenges). And both Landon and Alton have won multiple challenges. Now I'm not saying guys like Darrell, Derrick, Kenny, Johnny, Wes, ect. are better than CT just because they've won challenges because the fact is they've never killed it in missions like CT has but Landon and Alton have or atleast have came close plus they've won multiple missions,challenges, and eliminations. And my overall # 1 challenger, competitor, player, ect. is Landon now after Fresh Meat 2. Just these three guys (Landon, Alton, and CT) it goes for me... 1. Landon 2. Alton 3. CT

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;187248]I'm just tired of everyone acting as if CT is the King of the challenges or something when he hasn't even won any challenges out of 6 that he has been on and been kicked off two of them for fighting, He's only been in two eliminations that I know of, and his strategies like "trimming the fat" ect. seem to fail miserably. CT has been really great in the missions, which is the only reason CT is put in the greatest competitors debate but Alton (Gauntlet 2) and Landon (Inferno 2, Fresh Meat 2, and The Duel 2) were just as good and they went in and kicked ***** in multiple eliminations (Alton 4-0 in eliminations in two challenges) and ( Landon 5-1 in eliminations in three challenges). [/QUOTE] Not to get off topic...but Landon is 3-1 in three challenges (not counting FM2, because those weren't 1 on 1 eliminations)

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;187248]1. Landon 2. Alton 3. CT[/QUOTE] Those 3 guys are in my top 3 too. I think Landon and CT are interchangeable sometimes. CT and Alton have never competed against each other so it's hard for us to determine things. But look at the guys Alton went up against. Danny RR, Adam King, Jeremy, and Tyrie. Oh my! Such great competitors Alton took out! CT went against Shane, Evan and Brad. Shane isn't that great but Evan is good and I still think Brad's win over CT was bs. I would think if that happened to Alton it'd be bs too. On I2, the only mission Landon blew EVERYONE else out of the water was the rope climbing one. Every other mission CT was the leader. You may be tired of people thinking CT is a king but I honestly am tired of everyone thinking Alton is the king when CT and Landon are clearly stronger competitors then he is. Alton put in a horrible showing on I3. Look at the things that the competitors did on that challenge. CT would have clearly done well on them like the Dog Sled mission, the rope swing challenge, etc. I still think Abram would be the leader as far as strategy went but CT would clearly have put in the best times. I know I say that these who is best debates are annoying but it's very evident that CT IS one of the best and people are actually intimidated by him when Landon and Alton rarely intimidate people.

[QUOTE=molds13;187249]Not to get off topic...but Landon is 3-1 in three challenges (not counting FM2, because those weren't 1 on 1 eliminations)[/QUOTE] My bad I left out the Gauntlet 2. It must have been because he wasn't the "big dog" on that one.

Alton also went up against Laterrian, so he is 5-0. However, I am not saying that shows anything else because Laterrian sucked on the challenges.

[QUOTE=faceless;187251]Those 3 guys are in my top 3 too. I think Landon and CT are interchangeable sometimes. CT and Alton have never competed against each other so it's hard for us to determine things.[B] B[/B][B]ut look at the guys Alton went up [/B][B]against. Danny RR, Adam King, Jeremy, and Tyrie. Oh my![/B][B] Such great competitors Alton took out! CT went against Shane, Evan and Brad. Shane isn't that great but Evan is good and I still think Brad's win over CT was bs. I would [/B][B]think if that happened to Alton it'd be bs too.[/B] On I2, the only mission Landon blew EVERYONE else out of the water was the rope climbing one. Every other mission CT was the leader. You may be tired of people thinking CT is a king but I honestly am tired of everyone thinking Alton is the king when CT and Landon are clearly stronger competitors then he is. Alton put in a horrible showing on I3. Look at the things that the competitors did on that challenge. CT would have clearly done well on them like the Dog Sled mission, the rope swing challenge, etc. I still think Abram would be the leader as far as strategy went but CT would clearly have put in the best times. I know I say that these who is best debates are annoying but it's very evident that CT IS one of the best and people are actually intimidated by him when Landon and Alton rarely intimidate people.[/QUOTE] Eliminations are eliminations no matter who you are going against. You still have a chance to be sent home. Heck, one mess up and you could be gone. I remember when Derrick went up against Tyler in the Duel I said to myself Tyler has a pretty decent shot to take out Derrick and real early too just because of the game they were playing. Or when Wes went against Chet... just going by size and strength clearly a mismatch but Chet had a real shot because of the game. I think I would feel like a million bucks no matter who I beat especially if I had to win a lot of them.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;187254]Eliminations are eliminations no matter who you are going against. [B]You still have a chance to be sent home.[/B] Heck, one mess up and you could be gone. I remember when Derrick went up against Tyler in the Duel I said to myself Tyler has a pretty decent shot to take out Derrick and real early too just because of the game they were playing. Or when Wes went against Chet... just going by size and strength clearly a mismatch but Chet had a shot because of the game.[/QUOTE] That is very true. But take someone Alton went against, say Adam or Jeremy against someone CT went against like Evan or Brad. Who would you rather go against? Adam or Evan? I'm pretty sure you would pick Adam. I would too. I don't think total Challenge wins determines if you are the best or not because Darrell is clearly not the best competitor. He's good, yes, but not the best. We'll never know for sure who the best is out of Alton, Landon or CT until they go up against each other in the same exact thing multiple times. It is all down to opinion and preference.

[QUOTE=faceless;187251]Those 3 guys are in my top 3 too. I think Landon and CT are interchangeable sometimes. CT and Alton have never competed against each other so it's hard for us to determine things. But look at the guys Alton went up against. Danny RR, Adam King, Jeremy, and Tyrie. Oh my! Such great competitors Alton took out! CT went against Shane, Evan and Brad. Shane isn't that great but Evan is good and I still think Brad's win over CT was bs. I would think if that happened to Alton it'd be bs too. On I2, the only mission Landon blew EVERYONE else out of the water was the rope climbing one. Every other mission CT was the leader. You may be tired of people thinking CT is a king but I honestly am tired of everyone thinking Alton is the king when CT and Landon are clearly stronger competitors then he is. [B]Alton put in a horrible showing on I3. [/B]Look at the things that the competitors did on that challenge. CT would have clearly done well on them like the Dog Sled mission, the rope swing challenge, etc. I still think Abram would be the leader as far as strategy went but CT would clearly have put in the best times. I know I say that these who is best debates are annoying but it's very evident that CT IS one of the best and people are actually intimidated by him when Landon and Alton rarely intimidate people.[/QUOTE] I guess it was the Susie and Cara effect. Plus he wasn't god awful. I mean his average or even worst showing is some guys' best showing.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;187258]I guess it was the Susie and Cara effect. Plus he wasn't god awful. I mean his average or even worst showing is some guys' best showing.[/QUOTE] Maybe not horrible for all the guys on these shows but horrible for what was expected from him.

there's this debate on who the best competitor overall is and i think that Landon is a better overall [B]CHALLENGER[/B] than CT is.. The only thing Alton is a beast at is speed. His strength isn't too overwhelming but his speed is stupendous. Athletically, I believe that Landon and CT have strengths over one another. CT is faster, but Landon has more stamina. He was a professional bike rider after all. I believe that CT is stronger however, but not by that much. I think Landon wrestled in school too so that gives him an advantage there. I don't know what sports CT played in school but possibly soccer, wrestling, or football? i don't know. if anyone knows than show some insight. Other than that, they are pretty evenly matched athletically. Now, there's the other side of the game. Landon doesn't start drama, alliances, or gets mixed up with all of that mumbo jumbo. Everyone likes him. CT is the exact opposite. He started drama, gets in people's faces, and puts a huge target on his back. This has screwed him up twice (inferno III and duel 2) so this fact is proven. So Landon>CT>Alton. End of story.

[QUOTE=LakersFan2;187260]there's this debate on who the best competitor overall is and i think that Landon is a better overall [B]CHALLENGER[/B] than CT is.. The only thing Alton is a beast at is speed. His strength isn't too overwhelming but his speed is stupendous. Athletically, I believe that Landon and CT have strengths over one another. CT is faster, but Landon has more stamina. He was a professional bike rider after all. I believe that CT is stronger however, but not by that much. I think Landon wrestled in school too so that gives him an advantage there. I don't know what sports CT played in school but possibly soccer, wrestling, or football? i don't know. if anyone knows than show some insight. Other than that, they are pretty evenly matched athletically. Now, there's the other side of the game. Landon doesn't start drama, alliances, or gets mixed up with all of that mumbo jumbo. Everyone likes him. CT is the exact opposite. He started drama, gets in people's faces, and puts a huge target on his back. This has screwed him up twice (inferno III and duel 2) so this fact is proven. So Landon>CT>Alton. End of story.[/QUOTE] Dude, you can't say "end of story" because this isn't the end. Sure, in your opinion it's the end because in your opinion Landon is better because he doesn't start drama. But someone can turn it around and say that with CT starting drama it intimidates people and they wouldn't want to go in against in. As far as physically stronger, I'd say CT is a lot stronger then Landon. I don't mean as a competitor but I'm pretty sure CT's pure strength is a lot higher then Landon's. There is no end to debates and arguments. There could only be an end when one person or one side agrees with the other side and even then, there could be doubt. So, I'm sorry but the story has not ended.

This discussion doesn't even belong in the CT thread...:/

About the picture... that's the scene I'm talking about but right away when they were pulling CT and Kenny apart off the ground, you could clearly see that Alton was much shorter and MUCH smaller than CT was. As far as who is stronger than who in an elimination round... Alton's track record is not that impressive at all to me in that regard. He's beaten Adam, Jeremy, and Tyrie that I can recall of the top of my head. Adam and Jeremy are both small and weak. Tyrie could've been a formidable opponent if it was something physical/strength based but it wasn't... it was more about coordination and balance and Tyrie could barely stay on his feet while running in the mud pit challenge on Gauntlet 3. Brad didn't seem all that nervous or intimidated about having to face Landon on the Duel 2... heck he actually voted to put Landon in there probably knowing full well that he'd have to be the guy that faced him since he was much smaller and the worst competitor left out of he, Evan, and Mark. In his interviews & body language leading up to his showdown on Duel 1 with CT, you could tell he was very apprehensive and scared about having to face him. Evan was the same way... he was absolutely petrified about having to face CT in a Duel. Wes did everything under the sun to manipulate the other players in the game on that season to avoid crossing paths with CT in the Duel. Those are three of the very best players on these challenges, both from a physical and mental aspect, that were clearly intimidated about having to face him. CT can't get in your face and yell at you, get drunk and hit you, or anything else like that in an elimination round... so why were they so scared about having to be in there with him? Not hard to figure out why. Landon & Alton have never provoked that kind of intimidation and fear in their opponents. As far as competing in the challenges, CT outperformed Landon in virtually every mission on Inferno 2... however that was five years ago. I think CT would have Landon's number in an elimination but as I've said before, Landon is unbeatable in a final challenge because his endurance is off the charts and I strongly believe he would beat CT head-to-head in a final challenge. I also don't recall CT struggling physically or looking bad in any individual challenge outside of the ones that he performed badly on purpose on to throw them. I've seen Alton struggle and look sluggish in many challenges that CT would've had no problem with at all.

[QUOTE=LakersFan2;187260]there's this debate on who the best competitor overall is and i think that Landon is a better overall [B]CHALLENGER[/B] than CT is.. The only thing Alton is a beast at is speed. His strength isn't too overwhelming but his speed is stupendous. Athletically, I believe that Landon and CT have strengths over one another. CT is faster, but Landon has more stamina. He was a professional bike rider after all. I believe that CT is stronger however, but not by that much. I think Landon wrestled in school too so that gives him an advantage there. [b]I don't know what sports CT played in school but possibly soccer, wrestling, or football? i don't know. if anyone knows than show some insight.[/b] Other than that, they are pretty evenly matched athletically. Now, there's the other side of the game. Landon doesn't start drama, alliances, or gets mixed up with all of that mumbo jumbo. Everyone likes him. CT is the exact opposite. He started drama, gets in people's faces, and puts a huge target on his back. This has screwed him up twice (inferno III and duel 2) so this fact is proven. So Landon>CT>Alton. End of story.[/QUOTE] CT played basketball and hockey growing up & played basketball at the collegiate level.

My bad faceless. I didn't mean to say "end of story" as if I was right or anything, although I gotta admit it kinda sounded like it. It was just my opinion and I was just trying to say "There, that's my opinion and these are my points to support my thoughts". But yeah man, I see where you're coming from. CT does instill fear among people and no one wants to go against him because of that, but I can't see someone like Landon being scared to go up against him. CT is one of my favorite players because I think he is one of the best competitors and his personality is very entertaining to watch, but at the same time it can get annoying and I lose respect for him when he throws fits and stuff for no reason. Brad is a unique player. He's not the best, he's not the worst, but somehow he managed to knock out both of the top dogs in the Challenges on both duels, CT and Landon (both were kinda cheap, but still, it was a win). CT went off and got all cocky like "I'M BIGGER, FASTER, AND STRONGER, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY YOU CAN BEAT ME! THAT'S NOT A WIN!" but Landon was classy and took it like a man. That's why I think Landon is a better competitor than CT. CT gains respect from being a bully and intimidating people while Landon gains respect for sportsmanship. This topic will never be resolved until they go head to head (hopefully CT can come back) but until then, if it does happen, we can keep debating. And I didn't know CT played basketball. I think that that's quite interesting. I guess if you play hockey than you will be a beast at the challenges. Evan played hockey too. I guess the aggressiveness in the sport plays a huge part.

[QUOTE=LakersFan2;187306]My bad faceless. I didn't mean to say "end of story" as if I was right or anything, although I gotta admit it kinda sounded like it. It was just my opinion and I was just trying to say "There, that's my opinion and these are my points to support my thoughts". But yeah man, I see where you're coming from. CT does instill fear among people and no one wants to go against him because of that, but I can't see someone like Landon being scared to go up against him. CT is one of my favorite players because I think he is one of the best competitors and his personality is very entertaining to watch, but at the same time it can get annoying and I lose respect for him when he throws fits and stuff for no reason. Brad is a unique player. He's not the best, he's not the worst, but somehow he managed to knock out both of the top dogs in the Challenges on both duels, CT and Landon (both were kinda cheap, but still, it was a win). CT went off and got all cocky like "I'M BIGGER, FASTER, AND STRONGER, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY YOU CAN BEAT ME! THAT'S NOT A WIN!" but Landon was classy and took it like a man. That's why I think Landon is a better competitor than CT. CT gains respect from being a bully and intimidating people while Landon gains respect for sportsmanship. This topic will never be resolved until they go head to head (hopefully CT can come back) but until then, if it does happen, we can keep debating. And I didn't know CT played basketball. I think that that's quite interesting. I guess if you play hockey than you will be a beast at the challenges. Evan played hockey too. I guess the aggressiveness in the sport plays a huge part.[/QUOTE] Wow !! I couldn't agree more with this post !!

CT didn't complain about losing to Brad because he was bigger, stronger, and a better competitor than him, he was pissed because he got screwed over. He didn't tear the flag off from the ground like they said he did. That's what he was mad about. Landon can be a pretty big baby himself. He chucked his helmet after he lost to Brad & pouted before and after that duel over how he shouldn't have had to have been in there in the first place because he was the best competitor throughout the course of the season.

[QUOTE=faceless;187239]Fabulous, that picture is deceiving. That makes it seem like Kenny is a freaking giant. Like I said before, pictures can be positioned to make it look like someone is bigger/smaller.[/QUOTE] I didn't put the picture up because of Kenny...lol. I was just looking at the CT/Alton aspect. Although, yes it does make Kenny look huge. I just took the screen shot though and that was the best one of Alton/CT. I was rewatching that whole part though and when Kenny and CT are facing each other before they fight, they actually look the same size, but obviously we know CT is way stronger than Kenny.

[QUOTE=townie;187315]CT didn't complain about losing to Brad because he was bigger, stronger, and a better competitor than him, he was pissed because he got screwed over. [B] He didn't tear the flag off from the ground like they said he did.[/B] That's what he was mad about.[/QUOTE] Wait, what?

He got DQ'ed for "tearing the flag" off the ground... but it's funny that when he unclipped it, everything was still intact. If he had torn anything off the ground, he would've just had the flag in his hand and the string would've either been still on the ground attached to the flag or still attached to the flag and not attached to the clip. He held the flag up & you can clearly see everything was still attached to it, so how he tore anything off is beyond me.

This isn't challenge related but I thought I'd pass it on because there are people wondering about what's going on with the case with CT's brother. The kid that shot CT's brother may have cooked his own goose by posting on the message board on Vinnie Tamburello's memorial site a couple months back. The post was traced to Kyle Bolaski's computer and the content of the message shows premeditated intentions for violence... he has been claiming all along that they never intended to get into a violent confrontation with Vinnie before he was killed. 03-05-2010 2:56:12 PM EST Maybe if he went out there with intentions of fighting with his hands, instead of a weapon than it would have been different, Or kept his mouth shut to other ppls women this would have been avoided, Maybe he should have taken the asswhooping that he was gonna get instead of messing with weapons.. Lesson learned dont bring a knife to a gun fight.

I honestly never paid too much attention to CT's personal life (besides with Diem, which was on the air) but what happened to his brother is insane! All I heard was his brother was murdered. Can someone please tell me exactly what happened? Did he know about his brother's murder before he went on the Duel II or was it after?

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;187373]I honestly never paid too much attention to CT's personal life (besides with Diem, which was on the air) but what happened to his brother is insane! All I heard was his brother was murdered. Can someone please tell me exactly what happened? [B]Did he know about his brother's murder before he went on the Duel II or was it after?[/B][/QUOTE] He went on Duel 2 not long after it happened. He admitted on the Duel 2 aftershow that he shouldn't have been there given his state of mind. That aftershow is on MTV's website, he explains what happened to his brother on it.

[QUOTE=AJHill;187375]He went on Duel 2 not long after it happened. He admitted on the Duel 2 aftershow that he shouldn't have been there given his state of mind. That aftershow is on MTV's website, he explains what happened to his brother on it.[/QUOTE] Thanks. I remembered hearing that a while ago, but I wasn't 100% sure if it was accurate. I remember that aftershow, but it's been so long, I thought I remembered wrong.

CT's brother was killed on August 17 of 2008 and I believe the whole incident on the Duel 2 happened on October 31 of 2008, so it was a little over 2 months after. CT was contacted in mid July of 2008 about doing the challenge and had committed to do so and with all the people that were going to be on the show, he didn't want to back out on his commitment last minute. In retrospect, it probably would've been a wise decision for him personally to do so and not worry so much about giving challenge viewers an even more star-studded lineup of competitors for that show.

[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;187373]I honestly never paid too much attention to CT's personal life (besides with Diem, which was on the air) but what happened to his brother is insane! All I heard was his brother was murdered. Can someone please tell me exactly what happened? Did he know about his brother's murder before he went on the Duel II or was it after?[/QUOTE] As far as the circumstances of what happened, CT's brother had recently moved to a town in Vermont and had beef with the kid who was supposed to be the town tough guy. CT's brother got into it with him at somebody's house and knocked the guy out with one punch. This guy had a few hoodlem friends who thought they ran the show in that town and didn't take too kindly to their "leader" getting exposed like that, and stuff just escalated. They all called his brother out to settle the score at some softball field, and Vinnie was never one to back down from a fight if he was called out, even if it meant going against a group of guys. Before his brother could even get out of his vehicle, all these guys surrounded his car and didn't give him the chance to get out and have a fair fight, so he got a taser in an attempt to keep them at bay so he could get out of his vehicle. When that didn't work, he grabbed an axe out of the back of his truck and the guys took off but were still running their mouths. Vinnie went up to the one guy's truck (with nobody inside it or in danger of being hurt) and smashed it a few times with the axe. As he was doing this, one of the guys got a rifle out of the back of the truck and shot him in the leg, pretty much took the thing off. As his brother was laying on the ground, the kid shot him a second time in the back and as he was dying, smashed the butt of the rifle into his face as a few of the other guys kicked him. I wasn't there, but the first shot could've been very well justified if they thought Vinnie was a threat to attack them with the axe. That first shot totally disabled him and any threat he may have been to them, but the second shot to his back and the subsequent pummeling they put on him while he lay bleeding to death was completely unnecessary.

[QUOTE=townie;187370]He got DQ'ed for "tearing the flag" off the ground... but it's funny that when he unclipped it, everything was still intact. If he had torn anything off the ground, he would've just had the flag in his hand and the string would've either been still on the ground attached to the flag or still attached to the flag and not attached to the clip. He held the flag up & you can clearly see everything was still attached to it, so how he tore anything off is beyond me.[/QUOTE] I tried to watch that scene again and it's hard to tell exactly what happened; all I had to go on was the reaction of people watching. They made it seem like something tore, and [I]then[/I] he unclipped it. Maybe he tore the whole hook it was attached to out of the ground?

There was a little metal ring that was looped around the hook & the string to shorten the slack to keep the flag flat on the ground, so it wouldn't be flapping around in the wind or whatever; it kept it flat on the ground. CT pulled on that thing and broke it and released all the slack from the string, then unclipped it from the ground.