[QUOTE=Entropy;173464]I think The Miz is one of the upper echelon as well.[/QUOTE]
On G1, Alton consistently did better then Mike, on I1, CT consistently did better then any guy on his team, on I1 and I2, Landon and CT consistently did better then Mike. I don't think Mike is that great but more of a leader which is important too but I'd say that if Mike was in that class level then CT, Landon would hold a 10, Alton would hold an 8 or 9 and Mike would scrape up a 1. In comparing Landon, CT, and Alton it's hard to say who I think is the best. I know Alton and Landon are better climbers then CT but I think in terms of sheer strength, CT is much stronger. Landon is probably the best distance/stamina male ever. CT's height over them is probably very helpful too.
Except for that Evan is acting like a baby when it comes to eliminations...which is quite dumb, because he clearly is a "top dog". If he was more courageous when it comes to one-on-one face-offs I would have much more respect for him.
[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;173475]Landon is my favorite out of that group but IMO Alton > Landon.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I think Alton is a better competitor too, Landon even said it himself.
Evan is a top dog competitor indeed, Wes is a top dog too.
Honestly, I miss Evan on the challenge, I rather see him run things than Wes/Danny.
Evan, Kenny, and Johnny are top dogs politically/verbally more than anything because they try to make sure they don't go into elimination because they are scared. A great example was the Ruins. Otherwise individually they have only been in two elimination rounds a piece in their own challenge careers. My opinion what makes you a great competitor is when you go in eliminations and win too, not try to avoid them like they do.
You guys are getting confused. Wes is not a "top dog". He would never win against CT and the other 2 unless it was maybe swimming. Evan is a top dog but the other 3 are just on another level. Evan was afraid to go against CT and said that Landon was his biggest competition on the Duel 2 and lost a lot of missions to Landon. In an interview, Evan said he'd be nervous to go against Alton because Alton seems to be good at everything. When fear is ever shown, you lose your crown. Are you all really trying to say Wes and Evan are as good as CT, Landon and Alton?
CT has never won a challenge. I don't care how "good" you are, if you never have won a challenge, you are only so good.
And why not include Darell in that picture? He has only lost ONE elimination round and that was with a partner. He could go toe-toe with any of the guys you listed above.
Top 5 Guys (no order)
Alton
Landon
Evan
Mike (Miz)
Darell
That is just off of memory and how well they have done in challenges and eliminations (Infernos, Gauntlets, etc). If I was bored enough, I could go thru Wikipedia and figure out who has gotten the most eliminations and wins and make up some math system. But I'm not that bored.
[QUOTE=BoSoxMole;173572]CT has never won a challenge. I don't care how "good" you are, if you never have won a challenge, you are only so good.
And why not include Darell in that picture? He has only lost ONE elimination round and that was with a partner. He could go toe-toe with any of the guys you listed above.
Top 5 Guys (no order)
Alton
Landon
Evan
Mike (Miz)
Darell
That is just off of memory and how well they have done in challenges and eliminations (Infernos, Gauntlets, etc). If I was bored enough, I could go thru Wikipedia and figure out who has gotten the most eliminations and wins and make up some math system. But I'm not that bored.[/QUOTE]
Saying that someone is not good because they haven't won is flawed. Place someone like Nehemiah who won G3 and throw them against CT who hasn't won. Off of your theory, Nehemiah would win. Mike and Darrell were consistently outperformed by both Landon (who is in your list) and CT. CT is bigger, stronger, smarter, faster, taller, etc. then Darrell. Also, if you believe someone who has never won is never as strong as someone who has won, that means the strongest male on the G3 Vets team was Kenny. Kenny, over CT, Evan and Brad? No way. I'm sorry but CT has proven himself to be better Evan, Mike and Darrell.
No, it isn't flawed. The point of the challenge is to WIN. CT has never won anything. He might be a better athlete than Evan, Mike and Darrell, but he isn't better AT THE GAME. And if he isn't better at the game, then he isn't as good at the guys I mentioned.
And I wouldn't say that Nehemiah is a better competitor than CT because he has won a challenge. If you read what I wrote, I was also including challenges won, elimination rounds and events won during a challenge. Nehemiah only fits one of those, not all 3.
[QUOTE=BoSoxMole;173576]No, it isn't flawed. The point of the challenge is to WIN. CT has never won anything. He might be a better athlete than Evan, Mike and Darrell, but he isn't better AT THE GAME.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it just means he's had bad luck or isn't that bright? Doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a better competitor physically by any means. If you look back at the tapes and average out his performance and take into account how many life shields he's won and how many infernos and gauntlets he's avoided, I'd personally say he's a **** good competitor, and that's coming from someone who doesn't really care too much for his brash personality and anger issues.
Look at these people who's won challenges before: Randy, Ibis, Rachel Moyal, Sarah Greyson, Johanna, Dave (RR). The best competitors don't always get to win final missions...
[QUOTE=BoSoxMole;173576]No, it isn't flawed. The point of the challenge is to WIN. CT has never won anything. He might be a better athlete than Evan, Mike and Darrell, but he isn't better AT THE GAME. And if he isn't better at the game, then he isn't as good at the guys I mentioned.[/QUOTE]
So... what? You really think Nehemiah is better then CT? And I think almost all the times that we are talking about so and so vs so and so, we are talking about athletic prowess not who can scheme real well. The only time how good of game players people are is when JEK are talked about. Athletically and who is simply just great at everything, CT, Landon and Alton lead that list by a landslide.
Read my edits.
But if we are talking about who is the better athlete and could win a one vs one competition, then CT will most definitely be on top. I am not talking about that.
[QUOTE=BoSoxMole;173583]Read my edits.
But if we are talking about who is the better athlete and could win a one vs one competition, then CT will most definitely be on top. I am not talking about that.[/QUOTE]
Wow this is going in circles, in one post CT is not good because he has never won a challenge, therefore saying that winning is what makes them the best. Then when certain winners are pointed out, you say CT is better then them? It makes no sense.......
[QUOTE=BoSoxMole;173583]Read my edits.
But if we are talking about who is the better athlete and could win a one vs one competition, then CT will most definitely be on top. I am not talking about that.[/QUOTE]
You're making it sound like we came into your conversation and debate about who is the best. This whole time we were talking about abilities it was about athletic prowess. Yes, Darrell has successfully won many challenges and CT hasn't. For whatever reason that may be, bad luck or hitting. But there is no denying CT is a great competitor and squashes competition on the field.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;173613]I think Landon and Alton are better than CT.[/QUOTE]
on I2, CT did better at somethings and Landon did better at other things. They haven't competed together since. Landon's strengths over CT are climbing and stamina/distance. CT's strength over Landon is sheer strength. Both seem to be good at everything anything could really happen when they go against each other. We've never seen Alton and CT compete against each other. Like Landon, I think Alton is better then CT at climbing but I'm thinking that might be it. CT would have the same strengths over Alton that he does Landon. Also, like I said before, CT has the height over these two as well. All 3 are great and anything could happen. I wouldn't know who to put my money on if those 3 competed against each other but if they competed against other people, even people who have won, I'd put my money on CT, Landon or Alton.
[QUOTE=faceless;173617]on I2, CT did better at somethings and Landon did better at other things. They haven't competed together since. Landon's strengths over CT are climbing and stamina/distance. CT's strength over Landon is sheer strength. Both seem to be good at everything anything could really happen when they go against each other. We've never seen Alton and CT compete against each other. Like Landon, I think Alton is better then CT at climbing but I'm thinking that might be it. CT would have the same strengths over Alton that he does Landon. Also, like I said before, CT has the height over these two as well. All 3 are great and anything could happen. I wouldn't know who to put my money on if those 3 competed against each other but if they competed against other people, even people who have won, I'd put my money on CT, Landon or Alton.[/QUOTE]
I don't know man, Alton is ripped and he is a beast and so is Landon. And I'll actually agree with Desertpuma , Alton and Landon are better than C.T. overall.
[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;173623]I don't know man, [B]Alton is ripped and he is a beast and so is Landon.[/B] And I'll actually agree with Desertpuma , Alton and Landon are better than C.T. overall.[/QUOTE]
And so is CT. I don't think anyone of them is always better then the other two. I think with them 3, anything can happen. And yes Alton is ripped and very strong, but CT is probably stronger. Nothing they can do about the size difference. Like take little Derrick and drop him next to Kenny. Derrick may be a better competitor but the size difference in both of them is undeniable. And most of the time, strength comes with size. That isn't the only factor is being good but it's a huge part of it.
It's obvious competition wise C. T. is a beast and you really shouldn't compare him to just anybody based on who has won a challenge and who hasn't but when you're comparing Landon, Alton, and C.T. the "top dogs" that everyone respects and really fears then C.T. will always be at the bottom of that list. Alton and Landon have both won multiple eliminations, won multiple challenges, won multiple missions, and they are great team leaders, and really almost none of that can be said about C.T.
It is more than just sheer strength. It is overall athleticism that makes Landon and Alton better. Size does not guarantee strength, just look at Big Easy Eric. Reach counts more in boxing than it does necessarily in missions and Challenges. CT's not the fastest guy and I cannot be sure of his stamina or his leaping ability. He does have solid upper body strength but so do Landon and Alton, who is a climbing freak BTW.
Plus, their head remains in the game based on just past Challenges. I'm not saying CT's head won't be in future Challenges just they have the experience he doesn't. They remain more calm or cool headed when in crisis mode and that also makes them better.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;173630]It is more than just sheer strength. It is overall athleticism that makes Landon and Alton better. Size does not guarantee strength, just look at Big Easy Eric. Reach counts more in boxing than it does necessarily in missions and Challenges. CT's not the fastest guy and I cannot be sure of his stamina or his leaping ability. He does have solid upper body strength but so do Landon and Alton, who is a climbing freak BTW.
Plus, their head remains in the game based on just past Challenges. I'm not saying CT's head won't be in future Challenges just they have the experience he doesn't. They remain more calm or cool headed when in crisis mode and that also makes them better.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I couldn't agree more.
Well, everyone has their own opinions. There is no point in debating this. All I'm trying to say is that all 3 are great and anything can happen. There is no guarantee who will win if they go against each other.
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