The Challenge Series: RW/RR (Generic Thread)

[QUOTE=r3iKo;170294]I never had any intentions to end it, you did. I enjoyed having our little Wes/Kenny debate awhile ago. Actually, it was a "I hate Wes because... I'm biased" debate. Where you bashed on him as a competitor because you hated him.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to say that there is no way that I can simply just think Kenny is better without being biased? I've given you many examples on how I am not, like me liking Katie yet still think she is a bad competitor. And I'm not saying Wes is bad, just not as good as some (including himself) thinks he is. Did he really think he could carry Mandi across those logs? Another example of me not being biased is I like Wes less then Danny but I think Wes is a better competitor. Derrick is my favorite player and I don't think he is the greatest. So far on FM2, Wes hasn't proven anything but Kenny has. As a overall game player (social and physical) I think Kenny is better. Does that automatically make me biased? You're really taking it too far with saying I'm biased. You've said it countless times and it's just not true. Do I think Wes is great? No. Do I think he is horrible? No. Wes continuously says that he is better then everyone there is and that he is hands down the strongest guy on this FM2 cast. He talks himself up and I don't understand why he thinks he's better then someone like Landon. On every challenge Wes has been on, he's been out shined by at least 2 people. Fm1 - Evan, Darrell, Theo, and Derrick, Duel 1 - CT and Evan, The Ruins - No one really had a time to shine, FM2 - Landon and Kenny. It's like everyone who doesn't think Wes is great you call them biased. Well how about this, I think you're biased against the people that Wes is compared to. Not true right? Cause I don't think you are. You just have your opinions JUST LIKE I DO. Get over it, please.

Kenny is a better all-around athletic competitor and it's not even close. Wes has outperformed the field on a total of TWO missions in all of his challenge appearences. The first time wasn't even a matter of athletic skill, it was a matter of who could hold their breath the longest deep under water to unlock that chest and the ability for a person to withstand pressure that deep varies from person to person; they themselves don't have much to do with their tolerance. Second time was when you needed a teammate to complete the first half of the challenge and his partner gave an honest effort and CT's partner sandbagged it and made him do all the work. Wes has not proven to be a top dog competitor against the rest of the field in competition in anything before or after those two missions. He has been mediocre at best and in many cases, towards the bottom. The way this guy conducts himself on these challenges with his arrogance and cockiness is laughable. You would think he was the guy winning a majority of the individual challenges and not people like Evan, CT, or Landon. Those guys would run circles around Wes on the playing field and actually would have a right to be cocky and arrogant, yet they are not. They let what they do on the playing field do the talking for them, they don't need to run their mouths about how great they are to everybody. It's just that attitude that he presents that makes you see he was never a standout athlete on a team. He thinks it's all about him and he constantly overestimates himself and underestimates and undervalues everything that other people bring to the table.

[QUOTE=townie;170302]Kenny is a better all-around athletic competitor and it's not even close. Wes has outperformed the field on a total of TWO missions in all of his challenge appearences. The first time wasn't even a matter of athletic skill, it was a matter of who could hold their breath the longest deep under water to unlock that chest and the ability for a person to withstand pressure that deep varies from person to person; they themselves don't have much to do with their tolerance. Second time was when you needed a teammate to complete the first half of the challenge and his partner gave an honest effort and CT's partner sandbagged it and made him do all the work. Wes has not proven to be a top dog competitor against the rest of the field in competition in anything before or after those two missions. He has been mediocre at best and in many cases, towards the bottom. The way this guy conducts himself on these challenges with his arrogance and cockiness is laughable. You would think he was the guy winning a majority of the individual challenges and not people like [B]Evan, CT, or Landon. Those guys would run circles around Wes on the playing field[/B] and actually would have a right to be cocky and arrogant, yet they are not. They let what they do on the playing field do the talking for them, they don't need to run their mouths about how great they are to everybody. It's just that attitude that he presents that makes you see he was never a standout athlete on a team. He thinks it's all about him and he constantly overestimates himself and underestimates and undervalues everything that other people bring to the table.[/QUOTE] Evan already has on two challenges, CT did on the Duel, and Landon is doing it right now this challenge. If Wes wants to consider himself the best, then he needs to beat the best.

[QUOTE=faceless;170303] If Wes wants to consider himself the best, then he needs to beat the best.[/QUOTE] EXACTLY, that whole im the best but put me up against the weakest team is ****! If youre the best prove youre the best.

Vinny said in an interview yesterday, he had auditioned for the cancun season and I think Laurel auditioned for rw as well, so yea I think they saved a lot of people for FM 2.

[QUOTE=ebsl86;170285]All I have left to say is if you honestly think Kenny is not a good competitor youre in freakin denial. He came in to the game with 2 for sure alliances Sarah and Paula... gained one more team, Jillian... and makes it to the end. If you pay attention to the previews it shows Ryan sayin hes playin both sides and doesnt want either side to find out... and we all saw Jenn play him today, so theyre not a part of his alliance. All odds are against him and he still makes it! Cmon how can you not say hes good? On another note Paula... amazed the **** outta me today! Wow, she kinda proved herself. I honestly think she had Evelyn beat and she wouldve won if it wasnt for her partner.[/QUOTE] Kenny is NOT a good competitor! When The Duel III arrives, I want to see him there, and then we will talk about him beeing a good competitor

[QUOTE=Eddie;170314]Kenny is NOT a good competitor! When The Duel III arrives, I want to see him there, and then we will talk about him beeing a good competitor[/QUOTE] How can you say he's not a good competitor? He's won two out of three of the missions so far and was very close to winning in the other one. He's already won one exile. Please tell me how he's a bad competitor?

[QUOTE=faceless;170301]Are you trying to say that there is no way that I can simply just think Kenny is better without being biased? [/QUOTE] Seriously, I don't care what the other person was disputing but when you think that you can't ever have an unbiased position on an argument. It's the discourse you choose to look at the situation which presents your bias Whether it's thinking Kenny is better or Wes you would still be using your past to create that conclusion. This episode at least to me was okay. I personal hope next week that Brandon does break away from his partner as then he will show courage. As well as show me that he deserves to be invited back.

[QUOTE=faceless;170301]Are you trying to say that there is no way that I can simply just think Kenny is better without being biased? I've given you many examples on how I am not, like me liking Katie yet still think she is a bad competitor. And I'm not saying Wes is bad, just not as good as some (including himself) thinks he is. Did he really think he could carry Mandi across those logs? Another example of me not being biased is I like Wes less then Danny but I think Wes is a better competitor. Derrick is my favorite player and I don't think he is the greatest. So far on FM2, Wes hasn't proven anything but Kenny has. As a overall game player (social and physical) I think Kenny is better. Does that automatically make me biased? You're really taking it too far with saying I'm biased. You've said it countless times and it's just not true. Do I think Wes is great? No. Do I think he is horrible? No. Wes continuously says that he is better then everyone there is and that he is hands down the strongest guy on this FM2 cast. He talks himself up and I don't understand why he thinks he's better then someone like Landon. On every challenge Wes has been on, he's been out shined by at least 2 people. Fm1 - Evan, Darrell, Theo, and Derrick, Duel 1 - CT and Evan, The Ruins - No one really had a time to shine, FM2 - Landon and Kenny. It's like everyone who doesn't think Wes is great you call them biased. Well how about this, I think you're biased against the people that Wes is compared to. Not true right? Cause I don't think you are. You just have your opinions JUST LIKE I DO. Get over it, please.[/QUOTE] Wes is a complete idiot for trying to put Mandi on his back. However, we all know Mandi wouldn't be able to get across either way. I mean, she couldn't do a **** pull up. Yes Wes has an ego that's through the roof. When I heard him saying he's easily the best on there, I was like, wow you really do think way to highly of yourself, because of Landon being there. You can't really say Kenny has out shined Wes on this Challenge, because it's a partner Challenge. Kenny easily has the best team there. First challenge Kenny got lucky, I mean it was a blindfolded challenge. Second, Mandi dropped the weight, again not a chance for Wes to shine. Third, Wes being an idiot. However, I'm sure he would have gotten across faster then Kenny. I called you biased twice. Definitely not a countless amount. Not to mention the first time I did, you said you were. Then accused me of being biased, which we all are in many ways, however, I haven't been towards this whole debate. I don't think Wes is god. I just simply believe he's better then all of you give him credit for.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;169851]Given the newer competitors, though, I think that would definitely change. You know JEK would try to get rid of everyone else, although I could see them sacrificing Bananas for Derrick. Could you imagine if Wes, CT, Tyler, and Frank were there too? Oh man...that would be epic.[/QUOTE] What is epic about Tyler?

[QUOTE=faceless;170303]Evan already has on two challenges, CT did on the Duel, and Landon is doing it right now this challenge. If Wes wants to consider himself the best, then he needs to beat the best.[/QUOTE] Wes did beat derrick in that pole wrestle one in the duel I which I thought was pretty impressive. I do think if CT didn't make that boneheaded move by ripping the flag off he would of beat wes in the final. Its pretty crazy that brad has probably the two biggest upset wins in challenge history in duel I and II to go to the final against CT and Landon both who were better than him. Wes doesn't win a lot of the individual competitions like a CT, landon, or Evan... so I would put him in the Tier II. With the recent challenge guys like Ct, Landon, and Evan in Tier I for individual competitors. It's amazing to me Ct has never won a challenge as I think he was the best overall guy. Remember how scared Evan was to face him in the duel?(well pretty much everyone was but wes got evan to take him in) Then he blew away brad but ripped the flag off.

[QUOTE=tjhallow;170398]What is epic about Tyler?[/QUOTE] The drama he would bring, especially against Bananas for throwing him in the Gauntlet. I don't know him, but last I saw Tyler seemed pretty upset about it.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;170411]The drama he would bring, especially against Bananas for throwing him in the Gauntlet. I don't know him, but last I saw Tyler seemed pretty upset about it.[/QUOTE] He was freaking out and completely immature about it, he really annoyed a lot of people.

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;170411]The drama he would bring, especially against Bananas for throwing him in the Gauntlet. I don't know him, but last I saw Tyler seemed pretty upset about it.[/QUOTE] Oh, that makes sense, thought you meant athletic wise. Tyler is a drama queen, you might as well put him on the girls team. lol.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;170448]I really don't want to see Tyler back to Be honest with you. I hated him on Key West.[/QUOTE] Oh I never said I liked him...just that he would bring drama.

[QUOTE=sarasummer;170316]How can you say he's not a good competitor? He's won two out of three of the missions so far and was very close to winning in the other one. He's already won one exile. Please tell me how he's a bad competitor?[/QUOTE] He as the best female in the house... Is as simple as that!

The Ruins was the first time I got back into the the RW/RR. My interest pretty much ended after Duel 1. After that I felt like everything became too repetitive and predictable. Before I tuned in because I could never predict what would happen or who would win, or who would join forces, and it was always fun to see these things play out. After a while though everyone started coming into the challenges with pre-pakaged alliances and enemies and the drama was nothing but spillover from the last season so it always felt overdone. Even the winners became predictable and I could usually predict who would go home when. I missed the real competitive edge of having some of the strongest, and toughest athletes go head to head, but after a while it became less about actual head to head challenging, and more about politics which is boring and lame. I'm kinda losing interest now in FM2 because of these thngs, and if not for Wes being there, I wouldn't give up South Park to tune in. Real World has been irrelevent to me for a long time. Before I could usually relate to the people in the house and their experiences and it was upliftng to watch them overcome issues I could understand. Now MTV has completely jumped the shark and misjudged it's audience. I don't tune in to see super model girls getting drunk and having *** all day (I could go just about anywhere on my campus to see that) I tune in for real people facing real issues. Is it not the REAL world? Why does it all feel so fake nowadays?

[QUOTE=Renina;170585]I don't tune in to see super model girls getting drunk and having *** all day (I could go just about anywhere on my campus to see that) I tune in for real people facing real issues. Is it not the REAL world? Why does it all feel so fake nowadays?[/QUOTE] Apparently, real people are boring.

Probably it´s because of the diference between the competitors...

[QUOTE=Moonpaw;170594]Apparently, real people are boring.[/QUOTE] hmmmm.... so sad yet so true =(

[QUOTE=journalme;170655]hmmmm.... so sad yet so true =([/QUOTE] Well, maybe I should clarify. Real people in their [I]real lives[/I] are usually boring, just because we have those things called responsibilities. Plus, those said things mean they usually can't leave their lives to be on a tv show. Maybe if real people were given a way for their responsibilities to be taken care of during filming, it might get more interesting.

Have calls been made? Check out Emily from DC's Twitter.

What does it say?

[QUOTE=43000www_new;170685]Have calls been made? Check out Emily from DC's Twitter.[/QUOTE] Already been mentioned but yes, I believe that calls have gone out. [QUOTE=RMD1;170687]What does it say?[/QUOTE] "SO stoked for my summer!!!! Time to get my trainin' on :)" followed by "Smiling so much my face hurts"

I read somewhere on FB, someone who posted a picture with kenny, mark and Paula that they were getting ready to leave to film the new challenge.....It could be all 3 or maybe just one of 3....well...today I have been watching FB closely and Emily from DC has been putting up stuff up like: Emily Norine Going to Thailand!!! :D and on twitter she posted SO stoked for my summer!!!! Time to get my trainin' on :) So could it be a challenge???

No. Because I think they did film for Thailand already for The Ruins.

[QUOTE=Someone925;170709] So could it be a challenge???[/QUOTE] She said she would be in Thailand on August 8th...too late for the upcoming challenge, and too early for the one after.