Russell is still a *********, but Coach is even worse. Not making a decision isn't the "honorable" thing to do. The honorable thing to do is stick to your alliance, which was Boston Rob.
ooof. At least the Heroes are making a comeback though!
I guess I'm in a completely different boat before this season I thought I had seen Coach and thought he was a fool but after last weeks episode I actually felt for him and really thought he did the only thing he could have done to stay face in real life. Any of the moves really put him in a bad place because he went with Russell he would have been a whipping boy there, rob it would have been a tie and he could have went home right there. By voting for Courtney he actually voted for the weakest member of the villans and the whole point of the game is if you don't you when merge is happening keep your team strong. Coach that was definately a brave move, got my resspect for sure.
As for Jerri.... wow she obviously was such a good friend to coach there. I couldn't believe that if they were an alliance of 2 from the beginning that she would talk about it alone without him there. He was instantly thrown into a position were he was screwed as she committed and he was supposed to remain loyal to her and the alliance they created.
I think that Coach could've handled it MUCH better. He and Jerri could have switched the game in their favor and it just didn't happen. If he could've convinced Jerri to stick with him, they could have used that as a huge bargaining chip. "You want us to be a part of your alliance? Then you're voting off who we want. Then we'll join your alliance." That's exactly what Cirie did in Fans vs Favorites when she wanted to vote out Yau Man and everyone that wanted her in their alliance (Amanda, Parvati, Ozzy, James) wanted to vote out Eliza...she stuck by her guns and repeatedly said something like, "you know...I'd [I]really[/I] like it if we voted out Yau Man" (or something like that) until they eventually folded and voted out Yau. Why? Because [B]they needed her vote[/B]. Same situation here...two obvious alliances of 3, and two floaters.
THAT is how it should have been done. Sitting at tribal council making pleas is not the time to try and work the game in the way you want it to go. Coach had so much power right there, and you could even blame him for Rob's ouster because originally the Villains were going for someone else (wasn't it actually Courtney?) and he said "Ha ha ha, or we could get rid of Rob..." You just don't say that kind of stuff to Russell. Coach made the move too late, and (considering he is one of my least favorite Survivors ever) I really hope he pays for it. Survivor players don't really like the indecisive ones...
They sure could have played it that way but they didn't because Jerri just gave in and commited to be allies with Russell beofre they could discuss it. I was like you the first time I watched it calling Coach stupid but when re watching it seemed as if Jerri had all the time in the world to make that decision and then they call Coach over and decide to "discuss" it in front of Russell that is so not cool, after that you can't claim that you were ever in an alliance with that person. Pretty much his hand was forced either vote with Russell and be seen as someone who can get played and is being used by Jerri or choose to not vote and hope Jerri votes for Russell. He decided to distance himself completely from the situation and tried to convince both alliances to vote for Courtney on multiple occasions but no one would listen. With that being the case Rob [B]knew[/B] who he would vote and didn't change accordingly in some ways him going home was his own fault in that regard.
[QUOTE=mr.unamazing;165365]They sure could have played it that way but they didn't because Jerri just gave in and commited to be allies with Russell beofre they could discuss it. I was like you the first time I watched it calling Coach stupid but when re watching it seemed as if Jerri had all the time in the world to make that decision and then they call Coach over and decide to "discuss" it in front of Russell that is so not cool, after that you can't claim that you were ever in an alliance with that person. Pretty much his hand was forced either vote with Russell and be seen as someone who can get played and is being used by Jerri or choose to not vote and hope Jerri votes for Russell. He decided to distance himself completely from the situation and tried to convince both alliances to vote for Courtney on multiple occasions but no one would listen. With that being the case Rob [B]knew[/B] who he would vote and didn't change accordingly in some ways him going home was his own fault in that regard.[/QUOTE]
That's the great thing about Survivor...giving your word and/or committing to someone doesn't mean ****. His hand wasn't forced either way...as far as I'm concerned, his hand being forced would've caused him to vote for either Russell or Rob. But he voted for Courtney. No one forced him to do that.
I rewatched that part as well, and I still think that Coach is stupid. I always have. He knew that Russell was gunning for Rob and yet when Russell was set on voting out Courtney, Coach brought up how Rob has been gunning for Russell since day one. When Russell said "Rob could go home for all I care" Coach should have kept his damn mouth shut and said "OK, so Courtney? Cool" and he would have been set. But no. He's an idiot.
And how was Rob not changing his vote to Courtney his fault? Courtney was a part of his alliance. He couldn't convince the rest of his alliance to vote for Courtney. You know Sandra would have said something. Either way, even if Sandra did vote for her there would have been 4 votes for Rob and not more than 4 votes for Courtney because she can't vote for herself. That's not his fault.
[QUOTE=molds13;165364]I think that Coach could've handled it MUCH better. He and Jerri could have switched the game in their favor and it just didn't happen. If he could've convinced Jerri to stick with him, they could have used that as a huge bargaining chip. "You want us to be a part of your alliance? Then you're voting off who we want. Then we'll join your alliance." That's exactly what Cirie did in Fans vs Favorites when she wanted to vote out Yau Man and everyone that wanted her in their alliance (Amanda, Parvati, Ozzy, James) wanted to vote out Eliza...she stuck by her guns and repeatedly said something like, "you know...I'd [I]really[/I] like it if we voted out Yau Man" (or something like that) until they eventually folded and voted out Yau. Why? Because [B]they needed her vote[/B]. Same situation here...two obvious alliances of 3, and two floaters.
THAT is how it should have been done. Sitting at tribal council making pleas is not the time to try and work the game in the way you want it to go. Coach had so much power right there, and you could even blame him for Rob's ouster because originally the Villains were going for someone else (wasn't it actually Courtney?) and he said "Ha ha ha, or we could get rid of Rob..." You just don't say that kind of stuff to Russell. Coach made the move too late, and (considering he is one of my least favorite Survivors ever) I really hope he pays for it. Survivor players don't really like the indecisive ones...[/QUOTE]
Acutally I agree with you.
I meant he knew that Coach wasn't going to vote his way (for Russell), if he would have talked to him he may have been able to come up with an alternative to Russell that would have sufficed for both of them i.e. Parvarti, Danielle but he was unable to compromise at all you could just tell by the way he acted around camp, therby that made it his fault to a degree.
His hand was forced in that he gave his word to both of them that he would vote for both Rob and Russell thereby by voting for Rob it would mean he swore not to vote for Russell or vice versa by not voting for either of them it allowed him to keep his word in that he removed himself completely from the decision.
The worst part of their move Jeri/ Coach wasn't that Rob went it was what you said they didn't leverage their situation into getting power instead they were both stuck in the backseat of the alliance. I guess the only way that it can work is if they are united and actually communicate together.
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The worst part of their move Jeri/ Coach wasn't that Rob went it was what you said they didn't leverage their situation into getting power instead they were both stuck in the backseat of the alliance. I guess the only way that it can work is if they are united and actually communicate together.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. They weren't putting themselves in positions to win a million dollars...they were putting themselves in positions to (at best) be the last people joining the jury. It just wasn't smart. There's always time for them to make moves I guess, but I wouldn't expect that to come from Coach. Maybe Jerri.
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His hand was forced in that he gave his word to both of them that he would vote for both Rob and Russell thereby by voting for Rob it would mean he swore not to vote for Russell or vice versa by not voting for either of them it allowed him to keep his word in that he removed himself completely from the decision.[/QUOTE]
Coach didn't "completely remove himself" from the decision. He picked a side. He just did it in what he hoped people would see as a "loyal" decision. But he definitely picked a side. That's what makes him such a coward.
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