Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains - Banana Etiquette

[QUOTE=mr.unamazing;162979]Okay there. He wasn't one step ahead. He just did what most people would do given your circumstances. You are stuck agianst the wall you are going to engage people and try to ruffle feathers. In this case it worked. Remember Russell didn't even think they were voting 3-3-3 and as it was potrayed didn't know if Tyson was voting for/agianst Parvarti if they were doing that. Tyson said that he made the decision right before tribal so unless Russell can read minds he had no way of knowing this. They did a great job of editing to show not much though.[/QUOTE] Most people would not do that. And they haven't in 20 seasons. As soon as Rob told him he was voting for him, he knew they were going to try and blindside Parvati. That would be thinking one step ahead. He played the rest of that day knowing that he was going to give Parvati the idol. He specifically mentioned that he thought it would be genius if they were voting 3-3-3. Actually giving Parvati the idol was a huge move, but it paid off. He wasn't trying to "ruffle feathers". He was trying to get inside to see their voting strategy. Tyson made the decision to switch his vote at the last second. If he hadn't, it would've been 3-3-3 and Rob's strategy would have paid off.

I am going to have to go with the conspiracy theory on this one. I firmly believe Russell got some information from the producers to help him pull this off. There are MULTIPLE sources who have already said the Parvati/Russell alliance was set up before the game by the casting group, with knowledge of the producers. If production didn't have a problem with that, they wouldn't have a problem tipping him off. Russell wouldn't have given up the idol if he didn't know which way the vote was going. Plus, even if he could determine the votes would be split 3-3-3, how did he know Tyson wasn't already voting for Parvati in the first place? I am sick of Russell, I don't think he's entertaining, and I think he's a ****** player. But he gives the producers what they want so they help him stick around. If they had actually cast a group of interesting ALL STARS this season instead of Amanda, Danielle, Candice, Tyson, James and Randy, they would have had an interesting mix of people who could have carried the show, and they wouldn't have needed to rig for Russell. This season didn't need a star because the cast is so good on its own.

[QUOTE=Bacchus;163016]Oh ssseeaaann. Because these are very different things. I'm guessing 85% + of the cast came in with pre-ordained alliances. Production tipping off a player in the game is an entirely different matter. It is not a linear progression. This really isn't that convoluted. Russell was quite sure he had Tyson's vote and Tyson told him who everyone else was voting for...simple as that. He had to take the risk as he knew that his days were numbered, and the risk payed off with him staying and he kept his primary ally who will in turn hopefully bring Amanda into the fold at merge and make them the dominate force on the island. But hey, don't let my straight forward breakdown cut in to your creative writing. :D [/QUOTE] I'm sorry you have it wrong. A Pre game alliance is one thing. This is what James/Amanda/JT/Rupert had. I think these suck but its what happens. A set up alliance is what Russell/Parvati have. It was put together by people on the show. Parvati should have no idea who Russell is, it shouldn't even be possible for her and him to have a pre game alliance, but they do. Its rigging if you ask me. In this country you go to jail for insider trading, and to me thats what Parvati had and no one else did. To me what happened last night was some Big Brother ****. My guess is in Russell's confessionals they tipped his off that they were voting 3-3-3. Russell himself admits he thinks they are too stupid to think of it, so then why does he even bother to talk to Tyson? And like Sean said how would he know who Tyson was voting out anyway. This season seems really fishy to me. Like i hate to be calling the game rigged but there is too much evidence leading that way.

I don't worry about whether the game is rigged or not, whatever, it's not YOU that's winning the million or not so just watch it and be entertained or don't. Your choice. Last night was AWESOME! I was a mixture of laughing so hard at Tyson for being a [EMAIL="dumb@ss"]dumb@ss[/EMAIL] and making sure he got himself voted off, and yelling at the TV because I was so mad at him for screwing up Rob's plan. I honestly don't care if Tyson went home, because although he's funny, he's definitely not a player I'm cheering for. I was only mad because he gave Russell a victory over Rob. I still think Russell is going home soon. Even if he does manage to get past the Rob-Sandra-etc alliance, Parvati will screw him over after the merge when he's no longer useful to her. For now she's happy to let him make the moves and take the heat, but NEVER underestimate Parvati. She is a black widow and will eat him alive. Russell has no idea what he's gotten himself into. His main weakness is his cockiness and and he will think he's in control and not see it coming.

With the preview that I saw, it made it seem as though the idol wasn't replanted...anyone else get that feeling? If that's the case and the villains lose again, it doesn't look good for Parvati and Russell. I wonder if Danielle will try to save herself and tell BR that it was her that voted for Parvati, not Tyson switching his vote...she's definitely on the outside too.

Potentially... but I think the fact that Russell is out there as the biggest target right now means that Parvati has an advantage and is able to stay a little out of the target. She's as under the radar as she's ever going to get at this point. She'll have more of an opportunity to screw him over than he will her. Oh, also last night, I was pretty happy to see the return of laid-back funny James. And I don't think he was blindsided, I think he knew. He didn't look surprised. Maybe he knew he was going home and so he was able to drop the game face and make jokes and be good-natured at tribal.

[QUOTE=molds13;163076]I wonder if Danielle will try to save herself and tell BR that it was her that voted for Parvati, not Tyson switching his vote...she's definitely on the outside too.[/QUOTE] They'd know she was lying, because there were only 2 votes for Russell, and three for Tyson. So unless she switched to Parvati and Tyson voted for himself, they'll know Tyson switched.

[QUOTE=CharR;163081]They'd know she was lying, because there were only 2 votes for Russell, and three for Tyson. So unless she switched to Parvati and Tyson voted for himself, they'll know Tyson switched.[/QUOTE] Haha, oh yeah. I forgot :)

I don't know if Danielle will need to scramble yet anyway. I can't see there being 3 more tribal councils before the merge, and even if there were, it would be unlikely the villians would lose them all. Danielle can rest safe in the knowledge that she's not a threat, and so Russell and Parvati would be voted off, and she'll just join with the rest of the villians after the merge. At least I don't see her thinking strategically much beyond that. I'm sure in reality there could be twists in the game that potentially send her home.

[QUOTE=Bacchus;163016] I'm guessing 85% + of the cast came in with pre-ordained alliances. Production tipping off a player in the game is an entirely different matter. It is not a linear progression. [/QUOTE] My linear progression is as follows: 1) Stephenie stated in a pregame interview at realityblurred.com that the casting told her if they find out she or anyone has a pregame alliance, they have someone on hand to replace her. 2) Meanwhile, a senior casting associate and best friend of Parvati actively sets up an alliance between her and Russell. This is done with knowledge of production, as said casting associate brought Parvati on vacation to Samoa while season 19 was filming so she could be filled in on what was unknown to 18 other cast members. 3) Russell went in not knowing anyone, but production made a concerted effort to help give him the advantage he needed, despite telling others that pregame alliances are disallowed. 4) If production has no problem making efforts to help Russell before the game, why is it far-fetched for them to give him a little nudge during the game? I know the Parvati/Russell pregame alliance can't be proven, but a source who seems to be very close to Russell's wife, who was very pro-Russell before the allegations came out that Russell & the wife are now separated, is now bringing these details. One cast member said it in an interview, and there is at least one more who has privately said that this all happened.

I fully agree Tyson made a stupid move and gave Russell what he wanted. I just don't think it was farfetched to suggest that Russell was tipped off that Parvati needed the immunity idol when he did not. I'll say this though...I am very prone to conspiracy theories on reality shows, so I could have a natural bias.

Do you blame him. He had to play it like that if he wants to have a chance to be invited back, or to even not lose yourself in that you have no one to blame but yourself. The thing I think though that shocked me the most was that it seemed that Tyson was generally liked by most of the people and had both teams not went to tribal council he could have went really far as well as both of them used their bullets Rob and Russell very early when getting rid of Courtney and trying to make merge could have been the better move.

[QUOTE=mr.unamazing;163134]Do you blame him. He had to play it like that if he wants to have a chance to be invited back, or to even not lose yourself in that you have no one to blame but yourself. The thing I think though that shocked me the most was that it seemed that Tyson was generally liked by most of the people and had both teams not went to tribal council he could have went really far as well as both of them used their bullets Rob and Russell very early when getting rid of Courtney and trying to make merge could have been the better move.[/QUOTE] I also find it interesting that it was Tyson who was the target over someone like Courtney. I guess we'll see how that works out for them...

I think they probably went after Tyson as a direct snipe at Rob but for the team it wasn't a good move as you alienated and divided a tribe that for the better part seemed cohesive. Though it definately looked like Tyson was his sidekick and because of individual immunity he was the fall guy.

Courtney does have some good one-liners though. Her comments during the heroes run of the challenge were laughable. [URL="http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/25/jeff-probst-blogs-survivor-heroes-vs-villains-episode-6/"][URL]http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/25/jeff-probst-blogs-survivor-heroes-vs-villains-episode-6/[/URL] Also, Tyson says in an interview with Dalton Ross on EW that he went up to Russell to keep him as option B. [quote][B]Explain to me what the hell you were thinking. I put my theory in the recap as to why you may have done it.[/B] What was your theory? [B]That you were trying to buy a little good will with Russell so that down the line you could keep him as a possible back pocket option for an alliance.[/B] That’s exactly what it was. I wanted him as a plan B. But I knew that we would be too strong if he had other allies in the game. So I wanted Parvati gone. That way Russell would have nowhere to go but to me. And I knew he had the idol, which I wanted for my own evil bidding. The difference between Russell’s game-plan and what I would do is that I would stab somebody in the back, but I would do it so gently that they actually liked me for it, while Russell would come in with a sickle. And once he was done chopping the person in the back, he would cut them into little pieces. And then I don’t know what he would do with them, but he would make it super painful. And that, I think, is a very faulty way to play the game in that you’re not gonna win anybody’s vote. I was kind of hoping that Russell would stick around, but out of nowhere else to go, he would have to come to me.[/quote][/URL]

I can't say I'll miss either of the ones voted out.

[QUOTE=mr.unamazing;163134]The thing I think though that shocked me the most was that it seemed that Tyson was generally liked by most of the people and had both teams not went to tribal council he could have went really far[/QUOTE] Tyson was well-liked by everyone in his last season as well. Tyson makes his snide comments to the audience, not to his tribe mates. most of them stated afterwards they had no idea Tyson was such a jerk til they watched the season back. Parvati called Tyson "charming" in the tribal last night. I was like WHAT?! He's just a totally different person to them as he is to the viewing audience and he was definitely a threat to go far on his social skills. (apparently not, however, on his intelligence)

Just watched this episode today, and this season continues to impress big time! I was VERY happy to see that the Heroes got rid of James... I was a little shocked at first just because they've made such dumb decisions so far. As for the villains, Russell lucked out that Tyson was a big enough idiot to write down Parvati's name. I don't like Russell and pray that the villains lose next week so that he goes home. Unless, of course, another idol is planted so that he can make it to the end again... Wouldn't surprise me if that ended up happening. Burnett seems to think everyone LOVES Russell... :/

[QUOTE=Bacchus;163441]No, he doesn't think people love Russell, he KNOWS people [B]love to hate him.[/B] Just look at the Survivor threads around here for the past two seasons. About 90% of the posts are about Russell and 10% about everyone else. In other words, without Russell there would be 90% less to talk about. ;)[/QUOTE] Ha, true. If Russell wasn't there, I'd find someone else to dislike... Coach, perhaps?