[QUOTE=mstudent;161057]I don't understand all of the James dislike. Unfortunately, Survivor is about alliances and you depend on people to make it to the end. You have to give it to James because he is loyal. Not very articulate, but he if he could have his whole team at the end he would. JT and Candice knew that they had a better chance being in an alliance of five than an alliance of four.
I think James will always be a fan favorite and he deserves to be. Additionally, it's unfair to criticize someone's intensity for wanting to win and keep to the team together, but not criticize everyone. James did a good job in directing the team and he gave them the lead, but the heroes blew it as a team. I don't think Tom should have went, and I am curious to know why no one is throwing Rupert's name out there. He's older, has sat out challenges, and has a broken toe.
Also, I don't know why they didn't let Colby replace James in the challenge. Swap one out for another? It's not like there was more than one guy sitting out.[/QUOTE]
The James that is on this season is completely opposite from the James that was on the prior 2 seasons. I like the nice, silent and strong James. I don't like the "shut your mouth", angry, spiteful James that he has morphed into. It's like he's a completely different person. I think it'll be interesting to see if his name pops up at the end of the season for fan favorite...I doubt it will and would be surprised to see it.
I don't think Tom deserved to go either. I think that James (injury), Rupert (injury), and Candice (physically weakest) all should have gone before him. For being as old as he is, Tom's pretty strong. It's clear that they're not trying to keep the tribe strong and are simply going for self-preservation.
The only reason I can think of not letting Colby participate was because the challenge had already started. But it was interesting to see. But if I were the villains, I wouldn't allow him participate either!
[QUOTE=mstudent;161057]Additionally, it's unfair to criticize someone's intensity for wanting to win and keep to the team together[/QUOTE]
James has been a hypocrite this season. He talks a lot of talk but in the end he votes based on out of season drinking buddy ties. He says the strongest should stay and he wants to win, yet continually votes for the stronger players to go thus weakening his tribe to the point of collapse.
The game is over for the Heroes and for James. They have taken out the majority of their strongest players, kept all the weakest ones and will be the underdogs at the merge.
I don't read spoilers and I don't need to...the writing is on the wall.
I'm just hoping for a twist after the fact to keep things close.
I'm sick of the Los Angeles clique mentality on the Heroes tribe. It made no sense to keep James when there is still a very long way to go to the merge. JT is just an idiot. He would have been very wise to keep another physically strong winner so they could sheild each other. Candice would have kept Tom if JT would have, it seems like.
Rupert is just a *******, and I am so sick of Amanda and James for their third time in six seasons. They bring nothing to this show.
I want to see more of the villains, and I'm not talking just more Russell and Coach. I think Jerri, Sandra, Courtney, Parvati and Rob offer some potential.
The Heroes are DONE. Put a fork in 'em. They have consistently been voting off their strongest players...apparently they don't want to win immunity. I really don't see how any Hero could win this game. Still rooting for COLBY though! Everyone else on the Heroes can go screw.
i don't if it's just me but this season JT is so much more entertaining and is definately my favorite to watch on the Heroes. He seems to be a gambler which is actually good to see this time. James is going to be useless now. Without his leg he not only loses all mobility for challenges i.e. running. He as well won't be able to use his strength because without his leg lifting things will be much, much harder. Most of the survivors must not realize this but without his leg ready to go he won't perform at all. The only thing he could really do well is what he did in the last challenge.Don't know why Amanda didn't vote with Tom she is stuck in that boat regradless if she likes it or not.
People hate James because he is a moron.
Can we flashback three episodes. The reasons James gave for voting off Steph now make less sense considering now Tom (the person who beat Steph in every challenge) is causing them to lose. James literally told the man who won every immunity (team) challenge in Palau (and basically on his own in some challenges) is weak. Next weak James is going to say Colby is weak, Colby being one of the top Individual Immunity getters ever as well. He makes no sense.
I was shocked Rob was able to help the villains win this Immunity considering he failed at it so miserable in All Stars.
[QUOTE=RMD1;161117]Amanda: shut up and stop crying!! You screwed him over in Fans Vs faves![/QUOTE]
No she didnt?
China yes, FvF Amanda never screwed James.
Amanda didnt get the chance to screw him over in fans vs favs, but you know she would have. He probably would have been eliminated in that same order.
James is so over rated. I mean, he is only good if something like wrestling. But everything else he does not do much? I mean he has never won individual reward or immunity.
On another note, how unlucky is Tyson? He swam in college, yet has been on two seasons with basically no water challenges.
Of course he is unlucky. He is probably the best at cardio of anyone at cardio and yet their isn't to many cardio challenges. Most of the time it's just pure strength. Besides that I don't get why he sat out when he is more valuable then either coach or Russell in that challenge.
Its really hard to root for anyone on the Heroes team. Some of them, like James, may not be that good of a guy, or they are wishy washy, like JT and Amanda, or just make flat out dumb decisions, like everyone who voted for Tom. I used to like Rupert but like James his true colors are starting to come through. The only ones I can still root for on the Heroes team are Colby and Candice.
This is a good read [URL]http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/12/survivor-heroes-vs-villains-tom-westman-james-rupert/[/URL]
[QUOTE=El Rey;161168]
This is a good read [url=http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/12/survivor-heroes-vs-villains-tom-westman-james-rupert/]'Survivor: Heroes vs Villains': Latest evictee blasts James, Rupert, and those **** puzzles! | EW.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Already posted in Tom's individual thread.
Why all the Heroes hate. So what they formed an alliance. Always in a tribe there is a clique. Why the Amanda and James hate. Obviously they made up after she voted him out in China. It was 3 years ago. Amanda is hot just like Parvati but 10 times hotter. People don't see she can get the guys wrapped around her fingers. Look how she had Todd, she was the real strategist there. Can't believe that bafoon won. Rupert is sticking with his alliance what is wrong with that. Then we have Candice who James is right about is just trying to make it 1 more day, but she is so stupid about it.
One question i have is how do people know Parvati and Amanda do not like each other???? Like yes there is speculation and people are just saying they don't like each other. Can we get details. Like what happened they were so close on FVF. What Happened? Yes i understand it's a game but there was no denying there chemistry as friends on the show. Can we get some details. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Gizmo;161170]Why all the Heroes hate. So what they formed an alliance. Always in a tribe there is a clique. Why the Amanda and James hate.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the majority of people here hate the Heroes. Actually, it is just the opposite. What people hate is that an alliance was formed that voted off the strongest players of the Heroes, making them a weak token tribe that will be eliminated one by one no matter what happens at this point.
Fan favorites like Colby are now cannon fodder...
The only Heroes with any hope are James and Amanda as they might get into a Russell, Parvati click, should they make merge (although that in itself is reason to jettison them.) James is injured and pretty worthless at this point, so that is a big if, and to be honest, they are acting more like Villains than the Villains - as James was the easy choice last night, but instead they decided they wanted to keep on losing.
That is a strategy in itself, but odds tells me it is not the best one.
[QUOTE=Gizmo;161170]Why all the Heroes hate. So what they formed an alliance. Always in a tribe there is a clique. Why the Amanda and James hate. Obviously they made up after she voted him out in China. It was 3 years ago. Amanda is hot just like Parvati but 10 times hotter. People don't see she can get the guys wrapped around her fingers. Look how she had Todd, she was the real strategist there. Can't believe that bafoon won. Rupert is sticking with his alliance what is wrong with that. Then we have Candice who James is right about is just trying to make it 1 more day, but she is so stupid about it.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who watched China knows that Todd made the strategies. What did Amanda do? Act like she came up with the idea of the blindside when both Todd, Jean-Robert both brought it up a few days earlier? There is a reason she only got one vote.
I know I'm defensive about James, but I feel that if you liked a contestant from a previous season then you should like them each season. That's why I like him and will continue to like him. It's not like anyone is committing a crime ... they're just playing a game that's motto is "outwit, outlast, outplay" and people credit Richard Hatch, the first winner of Survivor, because he formed alliances. It's unfortunate that it's a numbers game but that's the way people chose to play Survivor.
They should not have All-Star seasons for a couple of reasons. First, these people have played before and they have egos. No one wants to go out early their second or third time around, so people get very bitter when they are voted out before others. However, there is only one winner at the end so more than likely you will be voted out. Additionally, some of these people are type-casted and are not truly All-Stars. For example, did Amber deserve to be an All-Star? No. She didn't do anything spectacular in Australia, but they needed some one to fill the "young, hot girl" role because someone like Colleen, Jenna, or Heidi declined an invitation.
For this season, in particular, there are some questionable choices. Like Candice, what did she do to be selected as a "hero"? Mutiny against her tribe during her original season. Like Tom? Convincing Ian to eliminate himself from the finals because Ian "betrayed" Tom. Like Steph, playing a sneaky game in Guatemala and that's why she lost 6-1. And, what make someone a villain? Like Tyson, he makes some snarky remarks during his season. He's a ******, but not a villain. Like Courtney, who is just sarcastic.
My point is the concept of this season is silly. No one is a villain and no one is a hero. They are editing the "heroes" to look like "villains" and the "villains" to look like "heroes". Why all of this praise for Boston Rob? And why isn't Russell a hero? He won the fan's favorite vote.
[QUOTE=mstudent;161215]I know I'm defensive about James, but I feel that if you liked a contestant from a previous season then you should like them each season. That's why I like him and will continue to like him. It's not like anyone is committing a crime ... they're just playing a game that's motto is "outwit, outlast, outplay"[/QUOTE]
Umm, so you are saying that our opinion of a person, or even the "character" they choose to play or are edited to play is never allowed to change or grow with that person and their changing actions? I'm sorry but that is pretty ridiculous.
James may have always been this way and the editing just hid it better, or he may have changed. Either way, we can and should be able to change how react to someone whenever we want, whether or not they committed a crime.
James has acted like a holier-than-thou Grade-A ****** the entire season. That's enough for me to dislike him, no matter how much I liked the person he was shown to be before in Survivor. Even if they are editing things to be this bad, he still has to give them the material to work with, even if he is knowingly playing it up for the cameras, which I think is way worse than just being this horrible and not knowing it. Just like Tom said "All mass, no class."
The villains are amazing. I like them because they "outwit, outlast, and outplay" right to your face and that is what makes them villains. The heroes go around and do stuff behind people's backs and get away with it and that is why they are heroes. Heroes are just catty. VILLAINS!!
I just watched Survivor and found it ridiculous that they voted out Tom. That's why they keep losing, becuase they vote out people like Stephanie and Tom when they should have vote out people like Amanda and Rupert and now James.
James is pretty much useless, and he doesn't even seem like a nice person. Jeff Probst even mentioned in an article that he changed. Rupert, Amanda and JT are wishy washey and Rupert is the biggest phony of them all. If he really wanted to keep the tribe strong, like he keeps saying, they would have voted out Tom. I never liked Rupert and I liked James up until this season. Tom said it best "All mass, no class".
I think they are going to continue to lose until the merge and then just get voted off one by one. The Heroes are really stupid, with the exception of Tom, Colby, Candice and Cirie (even though I never liked Cirie, she was very smart). Do they honestly think James is better than Tom, with his bum leg? Even if they voted out James, when the merge comes, Colby and Tom would still vote with there own team because they are loyal.
I honestly think Tom is one of the ultimate good guys. He doesn't play shady and tells it like it is.
How can people call Amanda wishy washy when Tom wanted Amanda out since day 3. Obviously she wasn't going out without a fight and won in the numbers department. Stephanie and Tom wanted the so called "weaker" Amanda to go home. Well in Survivor the weakest doesnt always go home and might i add if Amanda is the so called weakest why does she hold the record for most individual immunity wins as Colby. It's not wishy washy when those fools wanted her gone and she saved herself. Karma got those 2 fools. As far as JT and Rupert well that i can see as you saying wishy washy as Tom is stronger than James with a messed up leg but Amanda did what she had to as Tom wanted to screw her.
[QUOTE=Gizmo;161472]How can people call Amanda wishy washy when Tom wanted Amanda out since day 3. Obviously she wasn't going out without a fight and won in the numbers department. Stephanie and Tom wanted the so called "weaker" Amanda to go home. Well in Survivor the weakest doesnt always go home and might i add if Amanda is the so called weakest why does she hold the record for most individual immunity wins as Colby. It's not wishy washy when those fools wanted her gone and she saved herself. Karma got those 2 fools. As far as JT and Rupert well that i can see as you saying wishy washy as Tom is stronger than James with a messed up leg but Amanda did what she had to as Tom wanted to screw her.[/QUOTE]
Amanda rides coat tails. She is one of the weakest girls on the tribe, so why wouldn't people want her out? isn't the point of having 2 seperate tribes to keep the tribe strong so once they merge, they have the numbers?
Amanda ran to Cirie and told her how they wanted to vote out Candice, when clearly no one wanted Cirie to know. JT and Tom told her in confidence and she ran back to tell Cirie. Are you joking? not wishy washy? Amanda is one player who can't play the game on her own, thats why she was crying when she thought James wasn't coming back. Tom is straight forward. When he speaks he tells the truth.
Stephanie, Tom and Colby voted for her because they thought she was the weakest after Sugar (which is true) plus she has that Micronesia alliance. They didn't vote against her out of spite, they voted against her because they thought she was weak and a threat because of that alliance.
I used to really like Amanda, but not after this season.
It's ridiculous how they kept an immobile player against Tom. I honestly think he should have been evacuated from the game. The guy cant walk, he's useless (at this point in time) and hot headed.
Everyone rides coattails to an extent lets be serious. As far as her telling Cirie. Well lets see at that point Cirie was part of her numbers. Were you not aware that after Cirie was voted out she was ****** at JT well hmmmm because Cirie was apart of her alliance. Like i said Tom targeted her and she screwed him. People need to stop hating on the fact that there is an alliance and the strong people are getting voted out. We all know the heroes will go down 1 by 1 once the merge happens so does it really matter anyway. Like i said Tom tried to get her out so should she have sat back and let them all vote her out. Now wouldn't that have been the stupid thing to do and her crying because James was hurt. Excuse her for being a human and showing emotions. God forbid.
I don't understand why they got rid of Tom instead of James. Sure James is a strong competior but with that hurt leg of his he's not going to but much use and it's not just him...there are other people in the heroes tribe that need to be done away with(Rupert I'm looking at you).
I'm slowly but surley starting to like the Villans alot more as the season progresses. The one thing I dont like about the Villans is there attitude about the HII. That is a powerful tool and it shouldn't be just ignored.
I think the heroes are an interesting group as some of the members such as JT is really intriquing. I cn understand why he couldn't vote out James he definately didn't want to screw over the alliance agian and so Tom wa sacrificed. To me Coach is allot better on this season then his last as well, he is really engaging. It to me looks like Rob and Tyson are probably main allies agianst Russell and Parvarti can't wait to see how that works out.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;161594]I don't understand why they got rid of Tom instead of James. Sure James is a strong competior but with that hurt leg of his he's not going to but much use and it's not just him...there are other people in the heroes tribe that need to be done away with(Rupert I'm looking at you).
I'm slowly but surley starting to like the Villans alot more as the season progresses. The one thing I dont like about the Villans is there attitude about the HII. That is a powerful tool and it shouldn't be just ignored.[/QUOTE]
I THINK (correct me if I'm wrong) that the reason the Villains were so against the HII is because many of them are from seasons before that was introduced and as a result don't think it's fair and think that the game could pan out better without it. I think I remember Jeff's blog saying something to that extent.
[QUOTE=behindme;161881]I THINK (correct me if I'm wrong) that the reason the Villains were so against the HII is because many of them are from seasons before that was introduced and as a result don't think it's fair and think that the game could pan out better without it. I think I remember Jeff's blog saying something to that extent.[/QUOTE]
I hope Russell gets FRIED for going for it. I can't wait to see him voted off. It's inevitable, and it's going to be a great moment! (I can't believe I'm rooting for Boston Rob! eek! He does seem a little more mature and grounded this season though..)
[QUOTE=RockSteadyVybes;161979]I hope Russell gets FRIED for going for it. I can't wait to see him voted off. It's inevitable, and it's going to be a great moment! (I can't believe I'm rooting for Boston Rob! eek! He does seem a little more mature and grounded this season though..)[/QUOTE]
I'm the same way with rooting for Boston Rob. I despised him on All-Stars, so that shows how much Russell irritates me. I don't see Russell getting voted out any time soon though... He's got Coach on his side now, and that means Tyson will likely flop too.
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