RW/RR Challenge: The Ruins - Spoilers & Speculation

Seriously guys... How many seasons has Kenny been on? I think it's like 7 or something. (Don't remember) He's made it to the end on all of them but 1. I don't think it matters how he got there. How is that not strong? That's a pretty sweet record.

[quote=Insider;87911]Seriously guys... How many seasons has Kenny been on? I think it's like 7 or something. (Don't remember) He's made it to the end on all of them but 1. I don't think it matters how he got there. How is that not strong? That's a pretty sweet record.[/quote] Kenny has done 4 challenges since Fresh Meat and has made it to the end on 3 of them.

[quote=Insider;87911]Seriously guys... How many seasons has Kenny been on? I think it's like 7 or something. (Don't remember) He's made it to the end on all of them but 1. [B] I don't think it matters how he got there. How is that not strong? That's a pretty sweet record.[/B][/quote] Agreed. You can argue mental vs. social vs. physical game all the live long day, but fact of the matter is, whatever he is doing seems to work.

Kenny has made it the end on four of them. Fresh Meat, Inferno 3, Gauntlet 3, and The Island.

He just made it to the end of his fifth, The Ruins.

[quote=Dartagnan;87949]You have to also consider, that he also makes it to the end so easily, because these Challenges now tend to favor the Fresh Meat, because they are in such an abundance. [/quote] I don't see how any challenge "favors" any one group. Also, there are always more "original" RW/RR's than there are Fresh Meat. So, that comment doesn't make any sense to me. :unknw:

[quote=OtherPplsDrama;87933]Agreed. You can argue mental vs. social vs. physical game all the live long day, but fact of the matter is, whatever he is doing seems to work.[/quote] Sadly.

I am very surprised to see the spoilers for this season. The Challengers Team participants for the Final Mission is somewhat random and weird. I would have never expected to see Sarah at the Final Mission once I saw the Challengers Team Cast. I thought she was definitely an early boot.

I did. I knew Sarah was tough especially after what she's been through. Same with KA even though all she did was sit on a log.

Well if elimination rounds are based like on strength/weight like Duel then Sarah clearly has an advantage. And what I meant about her going far is that I don't think she's that athletic when compared to other girls in her team. I think KellyAnne is an ok competitor. The Island missions were horrible. The few that I saw completely sucked so I guess we can't determine yet if she's a strong competitor.

[quote=Insider;87911]Seriously guys... How many seasons has Kenny been on? I think it's like 7 or something. (Don't remember) He's made it to the end on all of them but 1. I don't think it matters how he got there. How is that not strong? That's a pretty sweet record.[/quote] i completely agree.

yeah i have to agree as well.

Actually The Ruins would make his sixth challange.I beg to differ depends in what way you are calling him strong.Strong as in good manipulator and strong as in has his way to be liked by mostly everyone?..then yeah...but I think stong as in physically I don't think so.The guy clearly had an advantage against Eric on Fresh Meat come on it was a foot race and plus the bags you think someone like Eric(no disrispect)but someone like Eric's size isn't cut out to win something like that.Kenny saw the exile once only if it wasent for his partner Tina being in the veteran alliance with Coral and Theo and Derrick and the rest he would have been gone.Then the Duel came along we really got too see how good Kenny is he left pretty quick loosing in like the 4th Duel I think to I can't remember well but I think he lost to Beth's Tenderony(lmao no ones brought that up in a while lol).Then in The Inferno 3 the guy never saw the inferno he got the life shield but it was once I give him that but again he did one good thing by himself throughout that season.Then the Gaunlet 3 came he was in the male veteran alliance yet again didn't go in elimination round once he never saw a Gaunlet.Then the Island he went in once in a facoff which was the first one.Yet again does only one good thing by himself throughout the season.Every season every challange he's protected by some kind of alliance.Now the Ruins no one knows how things went down well as least us fans the majority we don't know but unless this Fall.The Ruins starts and unless I see Kenny decide you know what im not going to team up and make an alliance with someone like Johnny im gonna fly solo and win this on my own.When he finally does that then ill see Kenny as being a strong Competitor.

Westcoast... Why would ANYONE say, "You know, everyone is forming an alliance here, but I think I'll sit this one out" ? It's a death wish. There are obviously supporters and haters for most of the cast members. Most of us are not going to be swayed either way. You're using the excuse that Kenny hasn't gone into many eliminations. I can do the same. I don't think it proves or disproves anything. It's obvious to anyone with functional eyes that Kenny plays an excellent social game. That's been proven time and time again. Phsyically, let's say he's only been given 2 chances to prove himself (hypothetically speaking of course. I have no idea the exact number of eliminations he's been in), and both failed, that hardly proves anything. Most of these "strong players" have been voted into eliminations many many times. Who's to say that if Kenny were voted in another 30 times he wouldn't win 25 of them? Do I think he's as strong as someone like Landon? Absolutely not! Do I think he's one of the strongest people on The Ruins? Yes.

[quote=Insider;88218]Westcoast... Why would ANYONE say, "You know, everyone is forming an alliance here, but I think I'll sit this one out" ? It's a death wish. There are obviously supporters and haters for most of the cast members. Most of us are not going to be swayed either way. You're using the excuse that Kenny hasn't gone into many eliminations. I can do the same. I don't think it proves or disproves anything. It's obvious to anyone with functional eyes that Kenny plays an excellent social game. That's been proven time and time again. Phsyically, let's say he's only been given 2 chances to prove himself (hypothetically speaking of course. I have no idea the exact number of eliminations he's been in), and both failed, that hardly proves anything. Most of these "strong players" have been voted into eliminations many many times. Who's to say that if Kenny were voted in another 30 times he wouldn't win 25 of them? Do I think he's as strong as someone like Landon? Absolutely not! Do I think he's one of the strongest people on The Ruins? Yes.[/quote] I agree with West Coast's assessment of Kenny, and it's not just because of his elimination record (which is pathethic), but he is mediocre in the challenges as well, perhaps lower tier. However, I refuse to give him credit for being a good social player. He is just in the right click. Evan is a good, excellent social player, as is Bananas (who singlehandedly convinced Evelyn not to take his key at the last face off, in exchange for victory assurance for the both - that's social play). Susie is another excellent social player, as she plays both sides against the middle, while all the while proclaiming her innocence. Kenny, imo is not one of strongest people on the Ruins (imo). I think Evan and Derrick are, but Kenny from my standpoint is about 7th or 8th best, athletically. Socially, he has the numbers and the friends to look as though he could be a major manipulator, but him designing plans to rid the game of certain potentia threats; I don't give much credit.

[quote=weslacoeast9;88217]Actually The Ruins would make his sixth challange.I beg to differ depends in what way you are calling him strong.Strong as in good manipulator and strong as in has his way to be liked by mostly everyone?..then yeah...but I think stong as in physically I don't think so.The guy clearly had an advantage against Eric on Fresh Meat come on it was a foot race and plus the bags you think someone like Eric(no disrispect)but someone like Eric's size isn't cut out to win something like that.Kenny saw the exile once only if it wasent for his partner Tina being in the veteran alliance with Coral and Theo and Derrick and the rest he would have been gone.Then the Duel came along we really got too see how good Kenny is he left pretty quick loosing in like the 4th Duel I think to I can't remember well but I think he lost to Beth's Tenderony(lmao no ones brought that up in a while lol).Then in The Inferno 3 the guy never saw the inferno he got the life shield but it was once I give him that but again he did one good thing by himself throughout that season.Then the Gaunlet 3 came he was in the male veteran alliance yet again didn't go in elimination round once he never saw a Gaunlet.Then the Island he went in once in a facoff which was the first one.Yet again does only one good thing by himself throughout the season.Every season every challange he's protected by some kind of alliance.Now the Ruins no one knows how things went down well as least us fans the majority we don't know but unless this Fall.The Ruins starts and unless I see Kenny decide you know what im not going to team up and make an alliance with someone like Johnny im gonna fly solo and win this on my own.When he finally does that then ill see Kenny as being a strong Competitor.[/quote] I concur,Kenny is a good cheater,liar,manipulator, and backstabber. He plays a great social game and is always aligned with the "right people" who have some power. As a competitor, he's about average at best.

Like I said before, neither side is going to be swayed here. All I know is, Kenny surely doesn't mind anything anyone (who doesn't know him) has to say about him. He'll keep winning... and keep cashing his checks. Would that be the route I'd choose for myself? Probably not....... but it works for him.

[QUOTE=trees12;88276]I concur,Kenny is a good cheater,liar,manipulator, and backstabber. He plays a great social game and is always aligned with the "right people" who have some power. As a competitor, he's about average at best.[/QUOTE] Kenny is not average. He is way above average. Average would be Derek, Dunbar and MJ. This dude has made it to the end 5 times.

Insider I mean hope you don't get offended with the following as those are not my intentions but we are on the web and its hard sometimes to tell what people say on here....but that wasent part of the discussion the discussion was is Kenny strong based on how many times he's won challanges. In response to your earlier post your first post that I responded to you said Kenny was strong because of the number of times he's made a final.So I responded to it I never said I had a problem with the way he's won some of the challanges.Just made a few facts saying I don't think Kenny is strong when you look at his record.Lets compare it to Wes for example a strong competitor and Evan as well. (The following is based off what I remember of the top of my head so I might be wrong in a few spots so if anyone thinks I might have said a couple of things wrong im sorry and feel free to correct me thanks.) Kenny's Record: Fresh Meat went in twice to the Exile The Duel lost to Nehemiah The Inferno 3 never went in a Inferno The Gaunlet 3 never went in a Gaunlet The Island went in once Fresh Meat won one challenge The Duel won one challenge The Inferno 3 won one challenge (won the final but it was a team based competition) The Gaunlet 3 team based challenges (not indiviual) The Island won once Wes record: Fresh Meat went into the exile 5 times and won all 5 of them. The Duel went in against a strong veteran in a tough duel pole wrestle and he won. Fresh Meat although he came in 3rd he did manage to finish. The Duel we saw that not only was he strong enough to finish but in the final we watched his many skills as he beat Brad at the start of the final in a soccer shootout. Evan's Record: Fresh Meat his team of him and Coral dominated the game won half of the challanges until they had to leave due to injuries. The Duel Evan won 5 times. I do remember Evan starting off the pick many times.He did manage to make it far nearly to the end of the final episode.He lost to C.T in the second to the last episode second to the last Duel. The Gaunlet 3 he was one of the strong veteran males who helped win a lot of the challanges. The Duel 2 went in 3 times.Then he won the final when he was behind he caught up and beat Brad. No need to bring up Darell,Brad, or Derricks record as well all very well know they've proven themselfs in a lot of these challanges and there all vets. Besides Nick,Chet,Adam,Danny I don't see Kenny up there as one of the strongest on this challange. I see Kenny more in the lines with Dunbar,Cohutta,Bananas and Syrus. The top dogs(based on how they've showen how strong they are in indivual challanges in the past) on The Ruins who I think probably shined better than others in a lot of the challanges be: Evan Darell Derrick Wes Brad Kenny's record is a mediocre record compared to someone like Wes,Darrel,Evan,Brad who are on The Ruins. It is why I hate Team based challanges because you get a lot of people who ride it to end without doing nothing.You can't really see how strong a competitor is on a team based challange unless they go into a elimination round.Its something though I will not discuss on this thread as for it is off topic from this thread.(sorry Mods I won't do it again my apologies). Point is I do not see Kenny being one of the strongest in the challanges or on The Ruins.

[quote=dplayer18;88366]Kenny is not average. He is way above average. Average would be Derek, Dunbar and MJ. This dude has made it to the end 5 times.[/quote] He's made it to the end five times beacause he has great alliances. He hasn't proven himelf to be more than average and that migh be giving him too much credit. On the other hand, he's excellent in the social aspect of the game. MJ has only been on 2 challenges so far. MJ went into three duels on the duel 2 and won two. For him to make the top 5 guys on the duel 2, which is more of an independent type of challege says alot.

Again no one said Kenny couldn't do anything. However, in my opinon he's average asa competitor. Which means he dosen't totally suck, but he's far from great. Kenny beggist asset is his alliances and social game. On the other hand, Evan is an excellent competitor with great socil game as well. Derrick isn't as good as Evan, but better than Johnny and Kenny as a competitor. Not to mention Derrick is the nicest out of that group.

[quote=trees12;88683]Again no one said Kenny couldn't do anything. However, in my opinon he's average asa competitor. Which means he dosen't totally suck, but he's far from great. However, he's great socialy.On the other hand, Evan is an excellent competitor and manipulator. Derrick not as good as Evan, but better than Johnny and Kenny as a competitor. Not to mention Derrick is the nicest out of that group.[/quote] I think Derrick is definitely most feared in an elimination round, while still good at the regular missions. Honestly, the alliance of JEK and Derrick is really good. Evan comes up with really good plans and is really smart in missions, Derrick is for sure the most feared to go 1 on 1 against, Kenny gets along with a lot of people (not that Derrick and Evan don't) and Johnny is the village idiot.

[quote=faceless;88684]I think Derrick is definitely most feared in an elimination round, while still good at the regular missions. Honestly, the alliance of JEK and Derrick is really good. Evan comes up with really good plans and is really smart in missions, Derrick is for sure the most feared to go 1 on 1 against, Kenny gets along with a lot of people (not that Derrick and Evan don't) and Johnny is the village idiot.[/quote] I concur, i really don't care for Johnny and Kenny. Out of that group of guys Derrick is my fav. He is nice and a excellent competitor. However, I hope Sarah and Kellyanne take the victory.

The Champions team finalist is HORRIBLE except Susie/Derrick[who has improved over the course of his challenge history because I couldn't stand him before until Fresh Meat] because these self-proclaimed "veterans" Johnny/Kenny/Evan make the finale. They are NOT Veterans. One of them should go against CT in an elimination. CT will murder them. :) I loved how Johnny was on the first male boot on the Veterans team during the Gauntlet 3. He was all rude and pissy to Tyler when Tyler had to go into the Gauntlet and 2 episodes later Johnny finds himself in the same spot and goes home. Then the Veterans don't see a male Gauntlet until the end. So shameful.

[quote=faceless;88684] Johnny is the village idiot.[/quote] HAHA. Sorry faceless, that was hilarious.

I think the final Champion Team should have been.... Final Champions: Darrell, Derrick, Evan, Johnny, Kenny, Wes, Ibis, Johanna, and Susie. And the final Challengers should of been: Brad, Cohutta, Danny, Dunbar, Kelly Anne, Kim, and Sarah