[QUOTE=trees12;57172]Yet never apologized to Sarah.:mad:[/QUOTE]
We certainly didn't see an apology, but we don't know if they all didn't generally apologize to each other at the end. I suspect they did. It's a good question for our cast members who post here.
[quote=Buck05;57110]My thoughts on the episode:
- The pranks were fair. The guys had it coming.
- JD always plays both sides
- As much as I dislike JD, I felt bad for him when everything was being blamed on him. I am putting just as much blame with this on the other guys for automatically assuming it was JD.
- I was SO PISSED at Ryan for yelling at Sarah and Baya. Uncalled for. And Baya was totally right about what Ryan said. When he was screaming, he talked about not knowing if he was going to die or not --- I don't think he's referring to breakfast right there, that's the Army. Baya was not mistaken.
- I'm glad they left on good terms.[/quote]
Yeah I pretty much agree with all this. That prank the girls pulled was awesome, I don't agree with the milk in clothes part, if that went down that way but I do think the soap in milk and crushed dog biscuits was inspired. That was the first prank where I actually laughed out loud. It was funny how Ryan's first reaction to the prank was to smile, I thought he was going to be a good sport about it and acknowledge that they got had but then all the sudden it was like a switch was flipped. I attribute that a lot to Chet the drama queen though, they talked about JD instigating stuff but I think Chet was often an instigator as well. So over the top about how it was the last time he would ever share cereal with Ryan and the girls ruined it- simmer down. Funny how they accuse the girls of hanging on to things but to this day they are unwilling to admit that they completely overreacted EVERYTIME someone successfully pulled a prank on them.
But as much as JD makes my butt itch, I did feel bad that he was the fall guy and the girls were going to let him get rolled over by the drama queens - though he was definitely playing both ends. I think when it looked like things were escalating out of control, if it were me I probably would've admitted that I was involved - but admittedly I also don't know everything that JD pulled during their time in the house. Also, I admit I laughed when the girls closed and taped up the window when JD was trying to tell the guys that they were listening out of that window - they definitely covered all their bases and played it off perfectly. The girls go down as the better and smarter pranksters, my hats off to them.
Here's my major editing complaint for this episode and the season, why don't they ever show them working out their problems? All of the people who have posted on here have stated that at some point all of them (minus JD) came together and apologized after they had big blowups, but it was never shown on tv. It's obvious that they must've come to some agreement prior to leaving but the editors never showed that. Instead we get Ryan flying off the handle, JD acting like the incredible hulk everyone pissed off and/or sad but then Ryan breaks out the tampon song and magically everyone's one big happy family and they go riding off into the sunset? Really? It would've been nice to see how everything was resolved.
On the whole great season, did they focus a lot on stupid things like the pranks? Yes. Did they ignore interesting stories or apply alot of questionable skewed editing tactics? Yes. Did Baya and Sarah get the shaft? YES. But this still in my book was a successful season and showed that a real world season doesn't have to rest on drunken antics and hook ups.
[quote=k8mnstr;57105]Oh really? Sorry, he burned his bridges and now he gets the victim edit because he got scorched by the flames.
And by the way, Chet was "offended" that someone would let "JD take the blame". Well after the rat prank the girls blamed JD but Chet and Ryan said [I]nothing[/I]. One final piece of hypocrisy for Brooklyn.
And I'm sorry, he gets to pit both sides against each other but is upset when there are ramifications? Shenanigans. How does the medicine taste?
Everyone can pull the "poor disenfranchised JD" card, but if he can't take the heat he should have never stepped into my kitchen.[/quote]
Katelynn, you know I love you and I'm sorry for saying this, but you are coming across as bitter and vindictive. Even though you did not get the apology from him you deserve, it would be so much better for you to forgive him (not forget though) and just move on. You should have learned from him that negative energy is like a festering sore - it eats away at you.
[QUOTE=rwny4ever;57191]Katelynn, you know I love you and I'm sorry for saying this, but you are coming across as bitter and vindictive. Even though you did not get the apology from him you deserve, it would be so much better for you to forgive him (not forget though) and just move on. You should have learned from him that negative energy is like a festering sore - it eats away at you.[/QUOTE]
I know from talking to her at length in NY that Katelynn has moved on, but when people comment or ask her questions, she has been kind enough to respond here. She is simply explaining her position from her perspective during taping and at the reunion when commenting on what happened months ago. That is neither bitter or vindictive; it simply is contextual to the RW Brooklyn experience. It does not define her day-by-day in the real world in Montana. There is a big difference, and it you give if some careful thought, I think you will understand it. What nearly everyone fails to grasp is that in making her point, Katelynn is express that she is open to his apology which is the antithesis of "bitter and vindictive."
I applaud that she does come here to offer her perspective on what did or did not happen. I know for a fact that she would rather not comment at all. Nothing she or anyone else says, in my opinion, is going to convince JD to admit for a second that he did anything wrong. It is not in his character. Others can decide if that is a flaw or a virtue.
As I've come to know Katelynn, I've found her to be of equal parts humility and arrogance, a delightfully interesting combination (she and I may suffer equally from that). Aside from her life journey which is fascinating in itself, she is the near-perfect type of person everyone should have as a friend. In such a friendship, excitement and adventure is never lacking.
[QUOTE=Binary Solo;57180]
But as much as JD makes my butt itch, I did feel bad that he was the fall guy and the girls were going to let him get rolled over by the drama queens - though he was definitely playing both ends.
Here's my major editing complaint for this episode and the season, why don't they ever show them working out their problems? [/QUOTE]
See, I think the "JD playing both ends" thing was just an excuse to justify their behavior. It's a fact that at that point they didn't like JD, they hadn't liked him for a while, and they weren't planning on liking him in the future. Ryan "played both sides" at one point and no one saw him suffer any wrath.
And in regards to that night, I think it was in all good fun in the beginning. JD was the lookout, which was no big deal. When the girls took their pranks too far (Chet's clothes) and they guys started to suspect JD, the girls should have spoken up. Especially after seeing how angry they were. They didn't remain silent because JD was "playing both sides". They remained silent because they dislike him.
One thing that I found interesting is that there is nearly no change in tone/mannerisms when you know that the girls are lying and when they are telling the truth. Impressive and scary at the same time.
I mentioned a few weeks ago how (compared to last seasons) they never show them working out their problems. Instead we see them extremely angry during the episode, and then they come on here and continue to justify why [I]they[/I] are right and whoever they are arguing with is wrong. You never have one of them saying something along the lines of, "Yeah--I always left the toilet seat up and it pissed Sally off. After the confrontation I realized that it was probably really annoying so I stopped". Instead we get, "Sally always needs to be the 'victim'. How long does it take to put down a seat? I'm not going to change because she wants me to. She was like that to everyone in the house. She owes me an apology for blowing up, and until then I'm allowed to bad-mouth her on a website. And that's how it is."
So of course it comes off as angry and bitter, as RWNY mentioned below.
[QUOTE=luckystar112;57199]See, I think the "JD playing both ends" thing was just an excuse to justify their behavior. It's a fact that at that point they didn't like JD, they hadn't liked him for a while, and they weren't planning on liking him in the future. Ryan "played both sides" at one point and no one saw him suffer any wrath.
And in regards to that night, I think it was in all good fun in the beginning. JD was the lookout, which was no big deal. When the girls took their pranks too far (Chet's clothes) and they guys started to suspect JD, the girls should have spoken up. Especially after seeing how angry they were. They didn't remain silent because JD was "playing both sides". They remained silent because they dislike him.
One thing that I found interesting is that there is nearly no change in tone/mannerisms when you know that the girls are lying and when they are telling the truth. Impressive and scary at the same time.
I mentioned a few weeks ago how (compared to last seasons) they never show them working out their problems. Instead we see them extremely angry during the episode, and then they come on here and continue to justify why [I]they[/I] are right and whoever they are arguing with is wrong. You never have one of them saying something along the lines of, "Yeah--I always left the toilet seat up and it pissed Sally off. After the confrontation I realized that it was probably really annoying so I stopped". Instead we get, "Sally always needs to be the 'victim'. How long does it take to put down a seat? I'm not going to change because she wants me to. She was like that to everyone in the house. She owes me an apology for blowing up, and until then I'm allowed to bad-mouth her on a website. And that's how it is."
So of course it comes off as angry and bitter, as RWNY mentioned below.[/QUOTE]
You did mention your opinion in the past and it was largely rejected then. Not much has changed has it?
[QUOTE=V1man;57201]You did mention your opinion in the past and it was largely rejected then. Not much has changed has it?[/QUOTE]
Well, you're the first response so I guess we'll see. But I know at least one person agrees with Katelyn's tone, and another agrees that it's weird that they edit out the resolutions.
Regardless, I've never been one to care if people share my opinion. I'm pretty good at predicting when you're going to follow-up with a snarky reply to one of my posts and this is no exception. Perhaps (if they are out there), people are afraid to agree with me. The wrath of your one-liners is just too much for them.
[quote=luckystar112;57199]See, I think the "JD playing both ends" thing was just an excuse to justify their behavior. It's a fact that at that point they didn't like JD, they hadn't liked him for a while, and they weren't planning on liking him in the future. Ryan "played both sides" at one point and no one saw him suffer any wrath.
And in regards to that night, I think it was in all good fun in the beginning. JD was the lookout, which was no big deal. When the girls took their pranks too far (Chet's clothes) and they guys started to suspect JD, the girls should have spoken up. Especially after seeing how angry they were. They didn't remain silent because JD was "playing both sides". They remained silent because they dislike him.
One thing that I found interesting is that there is nearly no change in tone/mannerisms when you know that the girls are lying and when they are telling the truth. Impressive and scary at the same time.[/quote]
Miss Cleo is that you? You seem to have a nasty habit of presuming other people's thoughts and feelings without knowing the first thing about them. Your arguments would be far more compelling if you at least stuck to what we (the viewing audience) actually know instead of confusing your opinions with proven facts.
[quote=luckystar112;57199]I mentioned a few weeks ago how (compared to last seasons) they never show them working out their problems. Instead we see them extremely angry during the episode, and then they come on here and continue to justify why [I]they[/I] are right and whoever they are arguing with is wrong. You never have one of them saying something along the lines of, "Yeah--I always left the toilet seat up and it pissed Sally off. After the confrontation I realized that it was probably really annoying so I stopped". Instead we get, "Sally always needs to be the 'victim'. How long does it take to put down a seat? I'm not going to change because she wants me to. She was like that to everyone in the house. She owes me an apology for blowing up, and until then I'm allowed to bad-mouth her on a website. And that's how it is."
So of course it comes off as angry and bitter, as RWNY mentioned below.[/quote]
Several members of the cast have come on vevmo and said in other interviews that they did work out most of their problems while they were in the house and tptb chose not to show that on tv. This is what I was referring to: EDITING. And with the exception of JD and the females and Sarah and Ryan everyone else have said that they are friends. Since I don't have your clairvoyant talents I can only assume that to be the truth. The argument you have presented above is not a remotely similar or analogous to what I stated so I'm confused as to why you would use my quote as a jumping off point.
Hmmm. Just wondering if that post breaks the established vevmo rule against attacking a member? Probably not, since I have an unpopular opinion. Silly me, I thought this site was created as a place to discuss reality TV, and part of a healthy discussion is differing opinions? I guess I came to the wrong place. Perhaps you could answer a couple of questions for me though:
1) Referring to your response to my first paragraph, in what country does "I think" translate into "I know"? I'm pretty sure that I've started off every opinion on this site with an "I think". Confused as to how that is my way of twisting the "facts". Like others who do not have the benefit of knowing each cast member on a personal level, I form my opinions by what I see on TV and what they say on this site.
2) You were referring to the editing of the episodes to not show the resolutions, and I was referring to.............the editing of the episodes to not show the resolutions. Yet somehow we are disagreeing here? I guess it is because I took it a step further and commented, again, on the "post-real world experience" tone from some of the cast members, and you do not agree with that. Perhaps you are holding my opinion to mean [I]all[/I] arguments in the house, when they are actually mutually exclusive. I guess I need to be more clear. My fault. In any case, I know most of the arguments in the house were squashed while still in the house. I was referring to the major arguments where animosity still exists. And in case you're confused, that last line was my [I]opinion[/I] that animosity still exists, not a declaration of a fact.
[QUOTE=luckystar112;57213]Hmmm. Just wondering if that post breaks the established vevmo rule against attacking a member? Probably not, since I have an unpopular opinion.
[B][SIZE="4"]Silly me[/SIZE][/B], I thought this site was created as a place to discuss reality TV, and part of a healthy discussion is differing opinions? I guess I came to the wrong place. Perhaps you could answer a couple of questions for me though:
1) Referring to your response to my first paragraph, in what country does "I think" translate into "I know"? I'm pretty sure that I've started off every opinion on this site with an "I think". Confused as to how that is my way of twisting the "facts". Like others who do not have the benefit of knowing each cast member on a personal level, I form my opinions by what I see on TV and what they say on this site.
2) You were referring to the editing of the episodes to not show the resolutions, and I was referring to.............the editing of the episodes to not show the resolutions. Yet somehow we are disagreeing here? I guess it is because I took it a step further and commented, again, on the "post-real world experience" tone from some of the cast members, and you do not agree with that. Perhaps you are holding my opinion to mean [I]all[/I] arguments in the house, when they are actually mutually exclusive. I guess I need to be more clear. My fault. In any case, I know most of the arguments in the house were squashed while still in the house. I was referring to the major arguments where animosity still exists. And in case you're confused, that last line was my [I]opinion[/I] that animosity still exists, not a declaration of a fact.[/QUOTE]
OK, if you say so.
[quote=Binary Solo;57216]I apologize to the mods/admins of vevmo if I crossed a line. It won't happen again.[/quote]
Huh? What? Nah.... :don-t_mention:
[QUOTE=Binary Solo;57216]I apologize to the mods/admins of vevmo if I crossed a line. It won't happen again.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not.... but we'll put the apology on ice for some future post where it might come in handy. ;)
[QUOTE=luckystar112;57218]That's not very nice!!! :beee:[/QUOTE]
You should see what I wrote elsewhere... This was positively saintly by comparison.
I recall an old adage, "When you wrestle a pig in the mud, the pig is the one comfortable in the environment."
[QUOTE=trees12;57172]Yet never apologized to Sarah.:mad:[/QUOTE]
Yeah...after Ryan said all those awful things to Sarah...she still is crying on stage about his redeployment and telling everyone that she still considers Ryan a friend. And I think she's 100% sincere.
[quote=RockSteadyVybes;57245]Yeah...after Ryan said all those awful things to Sarah...she still is crying on stage about his redeployment and telling everyone that she still considers Ryan a friend. [B]And I think she's 100% sincere[/B].[/quote]
Really? That's not the impression that I get. I just can't help thinking that there is another side of Sarah that she does not show the camera. Several cast members have done this in the past. It makes me want to believe Ryan when he insists that she is fake. Don't get me wrong she acts like a real sweetheart and is very kind at times. I'm sure the girls would say she is very genuine but they're all friends, of course she is genuine to them - they are close. Sometimes we have blinders on and can't see how our friends truly are - I learned that lesson the hard way.
[QUOTE=rwny4ever;57315]Really? That's not the impression that I get. I just can't help thinking that there is another side of Sarah that she does not show the camera. Several cast members have done this in the past. It makes me want to believe Ryan when he insists that she is fake. Don't get me wrong she acts like a real sweetheart and is very kind at times. I'm sure the girls would say she is very genuine but they're all friends, of course she is genuine to them - they are close. Sometimes we have blinders on and can't see how our friends truly are - I learned that lesson the hard way.[/QUOTE]
You've obviously made up your mind so any tangible evidence I could present would be seen as biased by you, and thus fruit from a poisonous tree.
I'm truly sorry that you and a handful of others hold this opinion of Sarah, but if what you state is true - maybe in a parallel alternate universe perhaps - she is an actress of a caliber we have not seen since the era of Doris Day and Audrey Hepburn. It does seem as though some of your comments are made for sensationalist value, which is upsetting because I consider you to be an otherwise intelligent and logical person.
Forget personal off-camera experiences for a second, in spite of everything you've been shown between our season and the reunion what [I]evidence[/I] is there to support the claim that Sarah is being fake? If you're going to discard off-camera accounts from the girls or other Sarah "supporters" shouldn't you equally discard Ryan's arguments which were not shown?
You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm curious as to why you feel the need to wear it as a chip on your shoulder.
Here's the the thing Sarah can't win with Ryan. If she's nice to him like she was, he thinks its her being fake. However, if she was rude to him he would thinks she a *****. Either way though he think negatively of her. Therefore, I don't see how she could win in his eyes. That is really unfortunate because I truly believe Sarah is truly genuinely a nice person.
I don't know what Sarah did to deserve the ire of some of the roomates. I'm very confused by that still! BMP did a ********** job explaining that to the viewers. I did think she was a tad cruel to JD when he was trying have a heart to heart, and I DO think that she showed that she has a not-so-nice side in some instances...but who doesn't? Ryan's explanation during the reunion (her use of the word favorite) was, um, silly to say the least.
Bottom line none of us were there, none of us lived in the house. We will never fully be able to understand the concept of it simply because we have not lived it. Right now there is so much being picked apart, nothing is making sense. Let's take some time and think about it, maybe even rewatch.
[quote=luckystar112;57335]I don't know what Sarah did to deserve the ire of some of the roomates. I'm very confused by that still! BMP did a ********** job explaining that to the viewers. I did think she was a tad cruel to JD when he was trying have a heart to heart, and I DO think that she showed that she has a not-so-nice side in some instances...but who doesn't? Ryan's explanation during the reunion (her use of the word favorite) was, um, silly to say the least.[/quote]
Scott dosen't hate her he tried to comfort her during parts of the reunion. Chett dosen't hate her, but he has small issues with her. Chet still called her a friend. The girls are friends with Sarah. I would say Ryan and JD has the biggest beef with her. I think it should take [SIZE=4]ALOT [/SIZE]to have a hate as bad as Ryan does for Sarah. Frankly, his reasoning on the reunion did [SIZE=4]NOT [/SIZE]come close to warranting that at all.
[quote=trees12;57361]Scott dosen't hate her he tried to comfort her during parts of the reunion. Chett dosen't hate her, but he has small issues with her. Chet still called her a friend. The girls are friends with Sarah. I would say Ryan and JD has the biggest beef with her. I think it should take [SIZE=4]ALOT [/SIZE]to have a hate as bad as Ryan does for Sarah. Frankly, his reasoning on the reunion did [SIZE=4]NOT [/SIZE]come close to warranting that at all.[/quote]
I like the big words they add alot ;)
Who knows what happened between Ryan and Sara leading up to the reunion? Nobody but them!
[quote=luckystar112;57208]Well, you're the first response so I guess we'll see. But I know at least one person agrees with Katelyn's tone, and another agrees that it's weird that they edit out the resolutions.
Regardless, I've never been one to care if people share my opinion. I'm pretty good at predicting when you're going to follow-up with a snarky reply to one of my posts and this is no exception. Perhaps (if they are out there), people are afraid to agree with me. The wrath of your one-liners is just too much for them.[/quote]
I will agree with you that opinions that are not part of the majority here are often not welcomed.
[quote=LilysMom;57368]I like the big words they add alot ;)
Who knows what happened between Ryan and Sara leading up to the reunion? Nobody but them![/quote]
True. But I have read and heard Ryan try to explain it about three times - a daily clip, in an interview, and on the reunion show - and each time it's the same explanation. And based on that explanation, I think it's silly to have so much malice towards her. I could see annoyance, but the level of dislike it seems he has for her? I was just really surprised by it when I first heard him talking about it (on the daily clip).
I wonder what the guys thought of Devyn at the end. She was the one they talked a lot of crap about, and I would have liked to have seen that addressed.
[QUOTE=MLCB53;57376]I will agree with you that opinions that are not part of the majority here are often not welcomed.[/QUOTE]
It is not a matter of opinions being welcomed. People tend to defend their positions with vigor. If it didn't happen on either side, neither stated position would have much value, in my opinion. I enjoy a good fight. It reminds me of what I miss most about the courtroom.
[quote=RW561015;57377]True. But I have read and heard Ryan try to explain it about three times - a daily clip, in an interview, and on the reunion show - and each time it's the same explanation. And based on that explanation, I think it's silly to have so much malice towards her. I could see annoyance, but the level of dislike it seems he has for her? I was just really surprised by it when I first heard him talking about it (on the daily clip).
I wonder what the guys thought of Devyn at the end. She was the one they talked a lot of crap about, and I would have liked to have seen that addressed.[/quote]
This is where opinions just differ, these things that you are referring to were edited by someone else. After being on here and reading very carefully I have learned to not be manipulated by simply what I am seeing now. That and I really don't care what happened, it happened between them it is their business. Yes the were on a public television show, but they owe us nothing. These shows are contractual, unless even MTV does not want you there and we all know who I am talking about. After that their time is done, they have paid their dues.
[QUOTE=trees12;57361]Scott dosen't hate her he tried to comfort her during parts of the reunion. Chett dosen't hate her, but he has small issues with her. Chet still called her a friend. The girls are friends with Sarah. I would say Ryan and JD has the biggest beef with her. I think it should take [SIZE=4]ALOT [/SIZE]to have a hate as bad as Ryan does for Sarah. Frankly, his reasoning on the reunion did [SIZE=4]NOT [/SIZE]come close to warranting that at all.[/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you're arguing with me or agreeing with me. lol
But um, I agree with you. :smile:
[quote=luckystar112;57388]I can't tell if you're arguing with me or agreeing with me. lol
But um, I agree with you. :smile:[/quote]
I'm wasn't arguing with you, i concured with you and also added to the conversation.:drinks:
[quote=LilysMom;57368]I like the big words they add alot ;)
Who knows what happened between Ryan and Sara leading up to the reunion? Nobody but them![/quote]
Seriously 6 other people can be friends and get along, but 2 can't. I think Sarah's actions at the reunion should have taken away any dout you have in her character to assume justification for her resement by Ryan. I mean I quote Sarah " even though Ryan and me have had our problems I still consider him a friend and i would never wish bad upon him. I feel for him and can only imaging what his family is going through or if my son was going to war, it just sucks."
[quote=RW561015;57377]True. But[COLOR=yellow][COLOR=black][B]I have read and heard Ryan try to explain it about three times - a daily clip, in an interview, and on the reunion show - and each time it's the same explanation. And based on that explanation, I think it's silly to have so much malice towards her. I could see annoyance, but the level of dislike it seems he has for[/B] [B]her[/B][/COLOR]? [/COLOR]I was just really surprised by it when I first heard him talking about it (on the daily clip).
I wonder what the guys thought of Devyn at the end. She was the one they talked a lot of crap about, and I would have liked to have seen that addressed.[/quote]
Ding, ding, ding we have a winner. You hit the nail on the head. Some try and say we don't know what happen between them. Ryan has explained it numerous times and he can't justify his hate. I can see possible annoyance at times if a person isn't used to a person like that. Hoewver, not being friends over it and disrespecting her is absurd.
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