[QUOTE=Julius;50304]As far as Devyn she's on the phone all day. If there's a big argument going on in the house and she's one of the roots of the problems, she should probably try to be part of the conversation that resolves it. Her ignoring JD was exactly why the guys were mad at the girls from the start. They would keep ignoring what was being said.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but just as the boys have a "right" to be angry and voice their opinions, Devyn too has a "right" to choose not to speak with them. If she decided to abstain from the conversation and deal with them when they were a bit more rational (and sober, yes Ryan I'm talking to you) then Kudos to her.
[quote=k8mnstr;50305]I'm sorry, but just as the boys have a "right" to be angry and voice their opinions, Devyn too has a "right" to choose not to speak with them. If she decided to abstain from the conversation and deal with them when they were a bit more rational (and sober, yes Ryan I'm talking to you) then Kudos to her.[/quote]
Of course she has a right to, but it doesn't make it right! lol...
I'm sure you can understand why the guys were upset, they just wanted ya'll to help around the house, repeatedly asked, and ya'll ignored them for the most part or made it into an argument because you didn't want to do it.
Her reason for not wanting to talk to them wasn't because of Ryan, she probably didn't even realize Ryan was home since she was on the phone.
The girls of the house were definitely wrong.
[QUOTE=Julius;50306]Of course she has a right to, but it doesn't make it right! lol...
I'm sure you can understand why the guys were upset, they just wanted ya'll to help around the house, repeatedly asked, and ya'll ignored them for the most part or made it into an argument because you didn't want to do it.
Her reason for not wanting to talk to them wasn't because of Ryan, she probably didn't even realize Ryan was home since she was on the phone.
The girls of the house were definitely wrong.[/QUOTE]
That's a bold statement to make considering you don't have the luxury of seeing the unedited footage from the week. Fact of the matter is, you weren't there.
"The girls of the house were definitely wrong" was the goal of BMP's edit. Evidently, they've succeeded.
[quote=k8mnstr;50308]That's a bold statement to make considering you don't have the luxury of seeing the unedited footage from the week. Fact of the matter is, you weren't there.
"The girls of the house were definitely wrong" was the goal of BMP's edit. Evidently, they've succeeded.[/quote]
Guess so.
So do you feel the girls in the house did nothing wrong? I'd say both sides share some of the blame, but more blame should be put on the girls side. The guy's always seemed willing to sit down and talk about the problems.
My personal thoughts
I think the girls had PLENTY of of opportunity's to help clean, or sit down and talk / vent. I can't believe how Kate reacted when being asked to (I think) clean up HER coffee cup. I am pretty sure every girl in that house said at one point in the episode that they are all "adults," yet they don't act like it, they choose to live like slobs, refuse to do any normal house chores, react like children and get extremely defensive when asked to do something as small as taking the trash at, AND when the guys (or at least JD) try to get a house meeting together to try and resolve some of the issues the girls laugh it off.
I understand that JD messed up in the past episodes when he was drunk, but I absolutley feel for him in thie one. He clearly tried to slove some issues in a mature way, by trying to talk with Sarah, and instead she says she doesn't care about him, walks off, ignores him, then talks **** behind his back. [...removed by moderator...]
Scott had every right to be "immature" and hide the car keys to try and get his point accross. The girls were acting like children, so treat them like children. It's called respect, your not living alone, and the guys are not your maids. As far as JD and the table smashing, phone breaking ****, well the table was a little much, but I'm pretty sure with Devyns attitute, I would have ripped the god **** phone out of the wall as well.
After tonight I only like the guys in the house.
[quote=Julius;50309]Guess so.
So do you feel the girls in the house did nothing wrong? I'd say both sides share some of the blame, but more blame should be put on the girls side. The guy's always seemed willing to sit down and talk about the problems.[/quote]
Dude...what she's trying to say is that she lived there. She knows where the blame should go. You on the other hand, are making assumptions based on a 42 minute long show. So when you say you think more blame should be put on the girls' side for reasons A and B, Katelynn can probably come up with reasons C-H as to why it could and should be a different way.
I don't think she's saying the girls did nothing wrong. Some of their actions probably weren't necessary. What I think she's saying is that BMP totally succeeded in portraying most of the girls in a negative light, which I'm pretty sure she doesn't appreciate. So after watching the show, you might be like "Of course! It's totally all their fault. The guys tried!" That's what makes editing so amazing...one thing can happen and it can be completely shown in a different way.
You're more than welcome to your assumptions, but when a cast member tells you "No, it was definitely like this", I'd take their word for it over the footage you viewed.
[quote=k8mnstr]And as for the gas in the car, there were plenty of mornings where, after the guys went out the night before while the girls stayed in playing cards, we received a car on empty. BMP had a promotion with BP Gas stations and the closest one to the house was miles away, it wasn't like we could just go to the Exxon down the street. [B]Being forced to drive in NY is bad enough[/B], try being told you can only fill up at specific station.[/quote]
I noticed that y'all always seemed to be driving. I would've always taken the train, myself. So was it definitely a rule that y'all had to use the car as much as possible?
[QUOTE=Shawn;50314]I noticed that y'all always seemed to be driving. I would've always taken the train, myself. So was it definitely a rule that y'all had to use the car as much as possible?[/QUOTE]
Shawn, I lived in NY for four years and can attest that filming in the NYC subway system is a nightmare. First, the noise level drives the sound person crazy and makes the editor's life a nightmare given the time it takes to correct for the background noise and voice distortions that result from applying audio filters during the editing process. It takes time to do the necessary editing and time is money. The specialized audio equipment used in movies is not used on production of TRW. It's a cost issue.
It is also a logistics issue. Production normally has a vehicle loaded with gear if a crew is accompanying the cast.
Perhaps more importantly, any camera in the subway attractions a lot of attention, and in my experience, none of that attention is good. It
As for the cars... like with Subway, you have to keep your sponsors happy, too.
Just watch the dailies to show what edit the episode missed. The dailies show JD contradicting himself. Lying to get himself out of things to make himself look better. I feel JD is all about appearance and how he's shown (a lot like Kyle from the Chicago season).
When it comes to the trash and chores, I have no problem with anyone else. I think Scott was childish to hide the keys, but he did apologize to Sarah so that's all you can ask of him. Ryan and Chet have always been on the immature side, but they are funny as ****. I understand why they were frustrated with the mess, but they did not approach it in the correct manner (at least what they showed on the episode). As for the girls, they didn't have to be so defensive about things. They could have just talked it out. I do feel they were the reason JD got so frustrated, but for pete's sake, control yourself. No need to lash out on the table and the phone.
As I've stated many, many times before in my posts.... JD is the only person I do not like, and I feel my opinion is valid based on what the cast has said and based on what production has said about him. Plus, just watch the episodes and dailies, they speak for themselves hahaha.
[quote=V1man;50270][B]Given my profession, I can assure you that truth is the ultimate defense against libel. (It's not slander because slander is oral expression).[/B] I don't intend to debate the subject of defamation with you unless you would like to do it in a courtroom. "Reasons that transcend any edit" is based on factual information provided to me privately by other cast members. Whether or not you think something I write is unnecessary is likely to draw the same reaction that Sarah gave JD in this episode.
PS... When a RW production crew member describes JD to a visitor to the house as probably "the worst cast member in the history of the show," I take note.[/quote]
You beat me to the punch. There are few things I hate more than people throw around legal jargon they see on on tv and movies without knowing what it actually means. Also need tangible proof of damages too btw.
Now as far as my thoughts on the show. I don't have beef with Scott as far as his issues with cleaning. I have lived with some nasty sons of guns in college and I know how annoying that can get. Hiding the keys was an immature way to handle it in my opinion but I can empathize on a base level- I probably would have just dumped the dirty dishes on Katelynn's bed (perhaps no less immature but at least directly effects my intended target and not others). On the other hand I can also see her point you are living with seven other adults and sometimes you have to be flexible about certain things, it's why today I live blissfully alone! My main disappointment stems from what I've seen on the dailies. That would have to be some impressive editing to make it look like he was talking about punching Devyn or engaging in and encouraging personal attacks about people's appearances when he never said or did those things. Scott doesn't owe us anything, but it would be nice to have the backstory on that, particularly given the fact that he and Devyn live (lived?) together post taping. He displayed an incredible amount of dislike and borderline hatred for her and I'm just curious as to where it came from and why it appears he never took that up with her. Again he doesn't owe the viewers jack, but if one is going to come online and imply there's more to the story than what we've seen than it'd be nice to have further explanation especially when all his post show interviews seem contradictory to that.
I was glad to Ryan in filmschool and pursuing his dream and appearing to be pretty serious about it. It was nice to see another side to him and hope to see more footage like that in the future.
It was nice to see Chet more in the background this week. I was also glad to see Devyn a little more in the background just because I think thus far she has been shown to get the worse episode edits and I didn't wish to see anymore of the I Hate Devyn show.
It was nice to see Baya at all! Wonder why they didn't show any of the footage from her friend's visit though? I look forward to seeing more about her dancing.
JD, it astounds me that people are suggesting he's a victim of bad editing. If anything he is getting one of the biggest benefits of creative editing. While he was going on about people talking behind his back (when Sarah was venting her frustrations on events that occurred) never once did they cut to the footage of him making nasty comments about people's personal appearance, calling the females names or outright lying about his role in the mousecapade. It's never okay to break things and pull phones out of the wall I don't care who you are, it's not okay, it's not mature, it wasn't necessary. There are more effective ways of verbally communicating with people and someone with a "dual degree" should know that, particularly if one of them is in psychology. He also is the one instigating much of the conflict in the house, he's a producer's dream but he's an epic ****** as far as I'm concerned and he could be shown in a much worse light than he's being shown on the actual epsiodes.
I'm really loving this season.
I admit I didn't like seeing the 'ghetto' speak from Katelyn, I enjoy when they way you speak during the rest of the shows and can't believe you'd get slack for speaking that way.
The red bow tie was back again with Chet; I too thought it was cute when he worried about Ryan.
I don't get why he didn't like Sara either. I guess Katelyn explained it, but I don't think she came off on the show as overly nice or fake nice or anything like that.
[QUOTE=joey v;50339]lol, the girls are slobs[/QUOTE]
Interesting first post. And your evidence for this opinion is what exactly, just the episode? Sorry, not even a first time poster gets off easy with that brief of a comment. We do rather expect you will bother to read the thread, become a little informed., and then share with us the foundation of your opinion. Otherwise you are just another voice lost in the crowd.
[quote=travis85;50296]I totally disagree with you. He was aware of his "latin temper" and kept constantly warning the men and even threatened Baya about while driving. Since he is oh so mighty claiming he's the "most confident" of all in the house, why then can he not control his primary problem and gave in to Sarah? JD aka the person with the "highest self esteem".
Look, [COLOR=red]if it were Chet instead of Sarah who had the same behaviour, he most probably wouldn't even resort to that.[/COLOR] He was so easy to shout down and INTIMIDATE Sarah because she is a girl. Chet and JD had a stupid argument in one previous episode where he came home drunk and started yapping about illegal immigrants without the proper command of English until Chet butted in and JD threatened him about his anger issues. Of course he's no match against Chet who's bigger than him.[/quote]
JD could take him - one thing Chet cannot be called is a "tough guy" - bigger doesn't always mean stronger or faster.
From a logical standpoint I can see why last night's events went down the way they did. When the guys started talking loudly about their issues, Sarah came out of her room to joint he conversation. I think this was their intent because out of all the girls I think she is the weakest emotionwise. The escalation with JD brought Baya and Devyn into the mix and the cleaning issues finally got resolved. Where was Katelynn by the way?
I will give the girls the benefit of the doubt - the guys were harsh. But I think their frustrations were valid and needed to be dealt with.
I am astounded that some people believe it is acceptable to "rip" a phone out of someone else's hands regardless of ANY situation. Personally I would be quite frightened by that person's behavior and what they could be capable of.
Shaking fear or physical authority into another person is NEVER a good way to go about trying to get yourself heard or point across.
[QUOTE=rwny4ever;50346]From a logical standpoint I can see why last night's events went down the way they did. When the guys started talking loudly about their issues, Sarah came out of her room to joint he conversation. I think this was their intent because out of all the girls I think she is the weakest emotionwise. The escalation with JD brought Baya and Devyn into the mix and the cleaning issues finally got resolved. Where was Katelynn by the way?
I will give the girls the benefit of the doubt - the guys were harsh. But I think their frustrations were valid and needed to be dealt with.[/QUOTE]
What we do know from two differing, if not opposing perspectives, (Scott and Katelynn thusfar) is that the edit is a fraud. Dirty dishes and spoiled food from week one doesn't get a pass from me to include in ep. 8. Further, if there was a back story as Scott says, then we should have seen that, too. The problem is that the evidence which was no included in ep. 8 points to either an intentional fabrication by BMP or abject stupidity. Sadly, I'm open to either option being true.
I am over the editing I am just look forward to coming here to hear the cast's full stories on the situations that take place. I much prefer to discuss the episodes with them than I do actually watching the show.
Had JD yanked that phone out of my hand like he did Devyn I would have thrown [B]his[/B] *** into the Hudson.
Had Scott hid the keys and made me late to a cl*** for something someone else did, I would have hid all of his supplements or his weights or something out of revenge.
If I were Sarah there is no way in **** I would be cleaning up after 2 prefectly capable girls...I am not knocking her for it, but I was a little dissappointed that two grown *** women couldn't say, No Sarah, you don't have to do that I am perfectly capable of cleaning up after myself in a timely manner. (maybe they did, but it didn't seem like it since we saw her doing them)
If I were JD I wouldn't be showing my face in public for a while...he wants a family so bad...but as you can tell from his edit that anyone who h***een him on this show would be very iffy about befriending him. I wonder how good ole Andy handled that attitude...
[QUOTE=Audio_Hum;50347]I am astounded that some people believe it is acceptable to "rip" a phone out of someone else's hands regardless of ANY situation. Personally I would be quite frightened by that person's behavior and what they could be capable of.
Shaking fear or physical authority into another person is NEVER a good way to go about trying to get yourself heard or point across.[/QUOTE]
As I read the contract, it seems to me that this conduct rises to the level of an improper physical assault on a cast member and was grounds for consideration of dismissal from the premises. Production has a duty to protect cast members. Unfortunately, example after example from season to season demonstrates their failure to meet the standard until after the damage has been done. One might suspect their first priority is to capture the physical altercation rather than to protect the cast.
Someone mentioned earlier that whomever Deyvn was talking to would easily have been justified in calling 911 to report a domestic disturbance based upon events heard of the phone followed by the abrupt disconnection. That was an excellent point that I didn't consider last night.
[quote=V1man;50350]As I read the contract, it seems to me that this conduct rises to the level of an improper physical assault on a cast member and was grounds for consideration of dismissal from the premises. Production has a duty to protect cast members. Unfortunately, example after example from season to season demonstrates their failure to meet the standard until after the damage has been done. One might suspect their first priority is to capture the physical altercation rather than to protect the cast.
Someone mentioned earlier that whomever Deyvn was talking to would easily have been justified in calling 911 to report a domestic disturbance based upon events heard of the phone followed by the abrupt disconnection. That was an excellent point that I didn't consider last night.[/quote]Could also have been the tort of assault but not necessarily battery, especially after he smashed the table 20 seconds prior. I'm sure Devyn could have made such an argument if she wanted to.
The kitchen episode. It never fails to amaze me that every season has "the dirty dishes scenario". Last nights episode was very disappointing. Its time to move on from dishes and rat pranks.
You have 8 roommates sharing a kitchen meant for much fewer people. It is a set up for disgusting conditions.
I can only speak from my personal experience in the Denver house. Gross is an understatement for the dirt and "schmutz" there. I went straight to the sink and started doing the dishes.It was an impossible task. Basically, the house had an undersized dishwasher and an over abundance of housewares. Unless you cleaned every dish or cup as you were using it the chores would then be overwhelming. I am not defending being sloppy or lazy just trying to explain how it happens.
How dare the boys try to control the situation (I am surprised we don't have a guys and their bathroom habits episode) Girls, I would have liked to see more backbone when dealing with then. You needed to pull a Brooke.
If the guys wanted the house clean..One or two less drinks a week would have paid for a house keeper once every now and then!!!!
[quote=ColiesMom;50366]The kitchen episode. It never fails to amaze me that every season has "the dirty dishes scenario". Last nights episode was very disappointing. Its time to move on from dishes and rat pranks.
You have 8 roommates sharing a kitchen meant for much fewer people. It is a set up for disgusting conditions.
I can only speak from my personal experience in the Denver house. Gross is an understatement for the dirt and "schmutz" there. I went straight to the sink and started doing the dishes.It was an impossible task. Basically, the house had an undersized dishwasher and an over abundance of housewares. Unless you cleaned every dish or cup as you were using it the chores would then be overwhelming. I am not defending being sloppy or lazy just trying to explain how it happens.
How dare the boys try to control the situation ([B]I am surprised we don't have a guys and their bathroom habits episode[/B]) Girls, I would have liked to see more backbone when dealing with then. [B]You needed to pull a Brooke[/B].
If the guys wanted the house clean..One or two less drinks a week would have paid for a house keeper once every now and then!!!![/quote]
1. I would as a man be embarrased if they did a bathroom episode for the guys to relate too
2. Brooke, part deux? That would be totally epic and funny if done right.
[QUOTE=ColiesMom;50366]The kitchen episode. It never fails to amaze me that every season has "the dirty dishes scenario". Last nights episode was very disappointing. Its time to move on from dishes and rat pranks.
You have 8 roommates sharing a kitchen meant for much fewer people. It is a set up for disgusting conditions.
I can only speak from my personal experience in the Denver house. Gross is an understatement for the dirt and "schmutz" there. I went straight to the sink and started doing the dishes.It was an impossible task. Basically, the house had an undersized dishwasher and an over abundance of housewares. Unless you cleaned every dish or cup as you were using it the chores would then be overwhelming. I am not defending being sloppy or lazy just trying to explain how it happens.
How dare the boys try to control the situation (I am surprised we don't have a guys and their bathroom habits episode) Girls, I would have liked to see more backbone when dealing with then. You needed to pull a Brooke.
If the guys wanted the house clean..One or two less drinks a week would have paid for a house keeper once every now and then!!!![/QUOTE]
A mother's perspective, especially one who has been in a similar house, should be invaluable to our understanding and the guy's learning curve which should not end simply because the taping ended.
[quote=ColiesMom;50366]Girls, I would have liked to see more backbone when dealing with then. You needed to pull a Brooke.[/quote]
Dear gawd - no more Brooke!! I would rather more Paula
[quote=V1man;50375]There is a difference between those two? :)[/quote]
Yes..I can say Brooke's name. The other will be "The one I will not talk **** about".
[quote=V1man;50375]There is a difference between those two? [/quote]
Hey! Stop the Brooke hate. I think she has turned the corner in life and I support her. :D
[quote=Bacchus;50377]Hey! Stop the Brooke hate. I think she has turned the corner in life and I support her. :D[/quote]
Just curious, what corner would that be?
[QUOTE=Bacchus;50377]Hey! Stop the Brooke hate. I think she has turned the corner in life and I support her. :D[/QUOTE]
Am I to read into this that you are also a Paula lover? :biggrin:
Um, just a random question... How many corners is this for her? :sofa:
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