Real World Brooklyn: Ep. 8 - Discussion

Scott, it's a shame that you weren't given the same respect as other more "vocal" real worlders. For what it's worth, I completely see why you reacted the way you did. I know you didn't mean to make Sarah late. How many times can you be nice and try to remedy the situation with no results before you finally give up? What's the definition of insanity again? Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results? Katelyn came off as completely disrespectful of others in this episode. I see that same trait in JD (repetition, looking for a different result). The show has given the viewers THREE clips so far where JD has approached Sarah in a calm and rational manner to try and clear the air. Instead she walks away from him, says she doesn't care....etc. Smashing a table may not have been the best way to deal with the situation, but he sure got her attention. And I agree that she was contradicting herself. Chet never fails to disappoint. I freaking love him. He cracks me up. Loved the bit about his "demanding part" in Ryan's film. Did anyone notice that when Baya was in the car with JD she mentioned only "seven" roomates? Poor thing forgot about herself! haha And I think it's great that Ryan is taking that class. I bet he learned a lot.

[quote=Scott RW21;50172]Please help me to understand that even though everyone on this site knows that the show is edited how you are able to make such strong opinions. You are seeing the "climax" of what happened... I was super nice and polite about asking people to clean up for the first 2.5 months, as were other roommates, and then when I finally did something about it, I am the jerk. Why, because I didn't want to just keep quite and clean up everything myself? My favorite comment is, "Scott is 24, he should be more mature"... welll guess what.. we are all in our twenties, we are all adults,.. we can ALL clean up after ourselves without being asked. PS: I apologized to Sarah.. I didn't know she had the class.. however they don't show that, probably to help viewers form an opinion maybe?[/quote] Why is Ryan saying he dosen't get along with Sarah and still dosen't? That won't make Sarah want to get closer to him that way.

[QUOTE=luckystar112;50212]Scott, it's a shame that you weren't given the same respect as other more "vocal" real worlders. For what it's worth, I completely see why you reacted the way you did. I know you didn't mean to make Sarah late. How many times can you be nice and try to remedy the situation with no results before you finally give up? What's the definition of insanity again? Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results? Katelyn came off as completely disrespectful of others in this episode. I see that same trait in JD. The show has given the viewers THREE clips so far where JD has approached Sarah in a calm and rational manner to try and clear the air. Instead she walks aware from him, says she doesn't care....etc. Smashing a table may not have been the best way to deal with the situation, but he sure got her attention. And I agree that she was contradicting herself. Chet never fails to disappoint. I freaking love him. He cracks me up. Loved the bit about his "demanding part" in Ryan's film. Did anyone notice that when Baya was in the car with JD she mentioned only "seven" roomates? Poor thing forgot about herself! haha And I think it's great that Ryan is taking that class. I bet he learned a lot.[/QUOTE] Luckystar, we completely disagree with regard to JD. I've seen his approaches to Sarah as nothing but gratuitous and self-serving. Smashing the table was nothing but infantile. He should save that behavior for a challenge and pretend he's Derrick.

[quote=V1man;50214]Luckystar, we completely disagree with regard to JD. I've seen his approaches to Sarah as nothing but gratuitous and self-serving. Smashing the table was nothing but infantile. He should save that behavior for a challenge and pretend he's Derrick.[/quote] I guess we can say that JD would be better suited for living with dolphins. He obviously has little regard for the feelings of others so it wouldn't be a major loss for humanity.

[quote=Zachary;50210]That was harsh, man.[/quote] Totally agreed [B]Zachary.[/B] And on that note, I have a question for the moderators of this board: When it comes to posting opinions about castmembers, what is and is not off limits? A lot of people on this board, including moderators and myself included, have posted pretty pointedly negative comments about various castmembers, most especially JD. However, it appears when castmembers become members of this board the rules regarding our comments about them change. If JD joined this board tomorrow, would we be expected to censor our views? Basically, is it a free for all when it comes to our opinions about a castmember until he/she becomes a member of the board?

I have absolutely no problems with anyone but JD. I've watched the dailies all week and have really been annoyed with him. This editing in this episode did not do his behavior justice. It did him a favor. I was disappointed that the episode cut off the conversation he was having with Baya in the car. The part of the conversation where he completely denied having anything to do with the rat in the previous episode. L I A R. He STARTED that crap. Ughh he annoys me. The rest of the cast is fine with me. Although, I do believe the guys could have went about their stuff tonight in a more respectful manner, and the girls shouldn't have just gotten all defensive right away either. That's why nobody really bothered me with that... just JD.

And I also feel JD takes things too personally and made mountains out of mole hills with most of the things he was offended by. If I was Sarah I probably would have laughed at him and Devyn too. The argument they were having was STUPID.

The guys were definitely right... Kat was being a ****h the whole time, JD came to her politely with the rules and she started cursing at him for no reason like "***K ur rules, ***k u and ur dolphins"... very mature and then when Scott came to her she did the same thing and started cursing at him... The guys had no choice but to start getting aggressive, like when JD ripped the phone out the wall, Devyn wouldn't have gotten the point unless he did that... she was going to stay on the phone

[QUOTE=canilicula;50216]Totally agreed [B]Zachary.[/B] And on that note, I have a question for the moderators of this board: When it comes to posting opinions about castmembers, what is and is not off limits? A lot of people on this board, including moderators and myself included, have posted pretty pointedly negative comments about various castmembers, most especially JD. However, it appears when castmembers become members of this board the rules regarding our comments about them change. If JD joined this board tomorrow, would we be expected to censor our views? Basically, is it a free for all when it comes to our opinions about a castmember until he/she becomes a member of the board?[/QUOTE] We operate under the Terms of Service which everyone agreed to when they registered here. How many people actually read them I couldn't say. I certainly remind people about them by PM with considerable frequency. There is only one moderator on this board tonight -- me -- and I don't catch everything immediately. If you re-read the thread, you will find some things have disappeared and others have been edited to comply with our rules. Those rules are simple. Don't insult another member. I've been critical of Scott's portrayal tonight but not in an insulting way. I think my comments in part elicited a response from Scott which I appreciate. I see that as dialogue -- a good thing. If JD were to join vevmo and contribute, he would enjoy the same "rights" as you or any other member. Last season, a few members were critical of Kim before she joined us and we came to know her. She changed many opinions as a result of her interaction with us. Most likely if JD were to become a member here, I would simply cease talking about him in any context, but that would be a personal choice. BTW, JD knows about us and has elected not to participate.

[QUOTE=V1man;50214]Luckystar, we completely disagree with regard to JD. I've seen his approaches to Sarah as nothing but gratuitous and self-serving. Smashing the table was nothing but infantile. He should save that behavior for a challenge and pretend he's Derrick.[/QUOTE] Well keeping in mind that I am just a viewer with no inside information........ I don't know. I guess I'm doing my own little psychoanalysis of him. I wish he would post here so I could pick his brain. To me he seems like someone who is desperately searching for acceptance and doing it the absolute wrong way. He tried to build a relationship with Kate immediately, and perhaps when he saw that she was getting closer to the girls he threw her under the bus so that he could find an "in" with the guys. I remember from the first episode that he was VERY defensive of Katelyn to Ryan and Chet on the staircase. That leads me to believe that he could be a very loyal friend if you just let him in. I think it bothers him a lot that he and Sarah have this void. I wonder if how his conversation with Sarah from episode 6 would have progressed had Devyn not interrupted. It appears that Sarah became less open to discussion after talking with Devyn in the confessional. When he came to her outside of the bar, she had a whole new attitude and walked away. In this episode she made it clear that she did not care to even try to work it out. To me, it made JD look like the bigger person. I think that, as Sarah said, (paraphrasing) personalities aren't always going to mesh and that JD might just be someone who doesn't mesh well with her. I do think that that is her perogative. I'm just not sure how this animosity even started with them! What changed? In any case, I do have a soft spot for JD. While I think some of the stuff he has done is heinous, I enjoy the show more when I try to psychoanalyze him. haha.

[quote=Julius;50222] [B]when JD ripped the phone out the wall, Devyn wouldn't have gotten the point unless he did that... she was going to stay on the phone[/B][/quote] I disagree. JD looked psycho there. Devyn was on the phone and had just heard him crash the table. Why in the world would she want to join that? Plus, wasn't it like 4 in the morning? They couldn't pick a better time?

[QUOTE=luckystar112;50224]Well keeping in mind that I am just a viewer with no inside information........ I don't know. I guess I'm doing my own little psychoanalysis of him. I wish he would post here so I could pick his brain. To me he seems like someone who is desperately searching for acceptance and doing it the absolute wrong way. He tried to build a relationship with Kate immediately, and perhaps when he saw that she was getting closer to the girls he threw her under the bus so that he could find an "in" with the guys. I remember from the first episode that he was VERY defensive of Katelyn to Ryan and Chet on the staircase. That leads me to believe that he could be a very loyal friend if you just let him in. I think it bothers him a lot that he and Sarah have this void. I wonder if how his conversation with Sarah from episode 6 would have progressed had Devyn not interrupted. It appears that Sarah became less open to discussion after talking with Devyn in the confessional. When he came to her outside of the bar, she had a whole new attitude and walked away. In this episode she made it clear that she did not care to even try to work it out. To me, it made JD look like the bigger person. I think that, as Sarah said, (paraphrasing) personalities aren't always going to mesh and that JD might just be someone who doesn't mesh well with her. I do think that that is her perogative. I'm just not sure how this animosity even started with them! What changed? In any case, I do have a soft spot for JD. While I think some of the stuff he has done is heinous, I enjoy the show more when I try to psychoanalyze him. haha.[/QUOTE] There is a lot more history to this than we have seen. It is very possible that the back story on their differences will be explored during next month's reunion show.

[quote=Buck05;50226]I disagree. JD looked psycho there. Devyn was on the phone and had just heard him crash the table. Why in the world would she want to join that? Plus, wasn't it like 4 in the morning? [B]They couldn't pick a better time[/B]?[/quote] Lol, exactly, but then again being on the phone at 4 am when nothing serious is happening isn't any better. No offense.

Ha, I wondered why she was on the phone, too, but then again, I've been on the phone at 4 am before.

[QUOTE=Zachary;50228]Lol, exactly, but then again being on the phone at 4 am when nothing serious is happening isn't any better. No offense.[/QUOTE] You lost me with that one, Z. Better than what?

I think Sarah totally got a bad rap, she is a vey sweet girl. She just got tired of JD's antics and decided to follow Devyn's advice. Which was to stop caring in regards to what JD thinks of her.

[quote=Buck05;50229]Ha, I wondered why she was on the phone, too, but then again, I've been on the phone at 4 am before.[/quote] 6 AM for me. But that was because the girl I was talking to was too fine. *blushes*

I agrre with you 100% I would not be able to live with slobs. Like you said "If the act like children treat them like children." People should have some respect that others live in the house and need to deal with it. [quote=Scott RW21;50172]Please help me to understand that even though everyone on this site knows that the show is edited how you are able to make such strong opinions. You are seeing the "climax" of what happened... I was super nice and polite about asking people to clean up for the first 2.5 months, as were other roommates, and then when I finally did something about it, I am the jerk. Why, because I didn't want to just keep quite and clean up everything myself? My favorite comment is, "Scott is 24, he should be more mature"... welll guess what.. we are all in our twenties, we are all adults,.. we can ALL clean up after ourselves without being asked. PS: I apologized to Sarah.. I didn't know she had the class.. however they don't show that, probably to help viewers form an opinion maybe?[/quote]

[quote=Scott RW21;50172]Please help me to understand that even though everyone on this site knows that the show is edited how you are able to make such strong opinions. You are seeing the "climax" of what happened... I was super nice and polite about asking people to clean up for the first 2.5 months, as were other roommates, and then when I finally did something about it, I am the jerk. Why, because I didn't want to just keep quite and clean up everything myself? My favorite comment is, "Scott is 24, he should be more mature"... welll guess what.. we are all in our twenties, we are all adults,.. we can ALL clean up after ourselves without being asked. PS: I apologized to Sarah.. I didn't know she had the class.. however they don't show that, probably to help viewers form an opinion maybe?[/quote] Scott I don't think you were being a jerk. I would have done the exact same thing - though knowing me I would have taken a step further throwing dishes and whatever personal items left in common areas out into the river - I can't stand dirty people!

Anyone else notice how quickly it took Sarah to clean Katelynn's dishes? OBVIOUSLY it was such a huge mess. (insert eye roll here). I mean, I understand what the guys were trying to say, but I just really have a hard time believing between the four men that no dishes were ever left out. I really find that hard to believe.

[quote=producer88;50178]Scott the thing with you, is that I see you as a fake person. For example, one minute you are BFF's with Devyn, and the next your talking about her behind her back. No matter how stressful the situation may be, you shouldn't act like a child, and hide the keys. That's my issue with you.[/quote] how do you seem him as a fake person? friends talk about each other behind their backs all the time - sometimes positive sometimes negative. I do it to my friends all the time and I've heard some of them do it to me - don't sweat the small stuff - unless what they're saying is vicious - case in point, the girls were being harsh when talking about JD and the guys - and all while knowing he can hear them.

[quote=rwny4ever;50238]how do you seem him as a fake person? friends talk about each other behind their backs all the time - sometimes positive sometimes negative. I do it to my friends all the time and I've heard some of them do it to me - don't sweat the small stuff - unless what they're saying is vicious - case in point, the girls were being harsh when talking about JD and the guys - [B]and all while knowing he can hear them.[/B][/quote] Yeah, why in the world can they hear each other while they are in the confessional??? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose??

[quote=Ag2422001;50183]JD breaking the table was so unnecessary.[/quote] It's called frustration: makes you do things like that if you get pushed enough.

[quote=Buck05;50239]Yeah, why in the world can they hear each other while they are in the confessional??? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose??[/quote] I think production set it up that way on purpose. The "door," if you call it that, is not very good about blocking sounds, not to mention the computer is a few feet away! Just another way to potentially increase the drama in the house and it worked!

1. I don't know why Katelynn and Devyn are trying to be ****hes about chores and cleanliness. 2. I dislike JD's evil spirit. It's scaring the ____ out of me. 3. If Ryan weren't cute, you people rallying on his side won't even like his attitude on bit.

[quote=rwny4ever;50241]its called frustration - makes you do things like that if you get pushed enough[/quote] But it was still unnecessary, though, and I didn't know actual cast members posted here> HI Scott! (if you're reading this)

[quote=Scott RW21;50189]Maybe because there was a reason why we are not BBFs anymore and maybe that BBFs only last a couple weeks and maybe.... it is an edited show. thanks to those of you who don't jump to conclusions. It would seem that to explain anything about this episode I would have to bring up past events that the roommates and I have gotten over. I'm not going to sit here and badmouth my friends to justify my own actions. Goodnight vevmo.[/quote] Wait, who are you not BBF's with???

[quote=Debut Album;50244]But it was still unessecary though. and I didn't know acutal castmember posted here HI Scott! (if your reading this)[/quote] Kate, Devyn and Baya post here two - with Baya being my absolute favorite! love her

I think Sarah posts here too.

[quote=Buck05;50226]I disagree. JD looked psycho there. Devyn was on the phone and had just heard him crash the table. Why in the world would she want to join that? Plus, wasn't it like 4 in the morning? They couldn't pick a better time?[/quote] It was a lil overboard, especially the throwing the phone into the water lol... BUT if he didn't rip the phone out she would have just ignored him, at least after he did that she realized maybe she should talk about this and hear what the guys have to say. 4 in the morning, yes, but everyone was up, and **** just hit the fan. Perfect time for everyone to get anything off their chest.