Looks like nobody has caught what V1 was alluding to: he updated post #5 in the thread to state that Nehemiah was the second replacement but went home soon after he arrived
[quote=ssseeeaaann;39141]Looks like nobody has caught what V1 was alluding to: he updated post #5 in the thread to state that Nehemiah was the second replacement but went home soon after he arrived[/quote]
I really didnt expect nehemiah to do another one! didnt he said he was done with challenges on gauntlet 3 reunion?
[QUOTE=dplayer18;39145]I really didnt expect nehemiah to do another one! didnt he said he was done with challenges on gauntlet 3 reunion?[/QUOTE]
Since the cast members routinely lie to each other, why would it be any different when it comes to viewers?
Poor Nehemiah. :blue:
[quote=wutzrenzi;39140]I just hope Paula, Eric, Diem and Dunbar are the next four out. PLEASEEEEE![/quote]
Eric can stay but Evan has gotta go.
[quote=Zachary;39148]Poor Nehemiah. :blue:
Eric can stay but Evan has gotta go.[/quote]
Evan does have to go but it might be hard since he has some friends there and then he's also a good competitor
No Katie!!!!!!!! I am so sad to see her gone, even if it was her last Challenge, I thank her for all the memories and hopes she has a great marriage!
Ryan going home makes no difference to me. I forsaw him going further, but him going home doesn't phase me.
I could care less about Nehemiah being the replacement, but must suck to fly for a day and come home shortly.
Thank you V1!
And goo Hollywood Girls!
[quote=Dartagnan;39155]No Katie!!!!!!!! I am so sad to see her gone, even if it was her last Challenge, I thank her for all the memories and hopes she has a great marriage!
Ryan going home makes no difference to me. I forsaw him going further, but him going home doesn't phase me.
I could care less about Nehemiah being the replacement, but must suck to fly for a day and come home shortly.
Thank you V1!
And goo Hollywood Girls![/quote]
LOL, Nehemiah was not really a stand out competitor in my eyes, I wonder who took him out.
[quote=dplayer18;39153]Evan does have to go but it might be hard since he has some friends there and then he's also a good competitor[/quote]CT's violent streak is unfortunately what probably will allow Evan to make it far in the show :(
Okay so I was busy and unable to really get on Vevmo for a little while but as I gleefully ran back into my favorite board and crossing the road to home.....I was hit by a 18-wheeler going 90. KATIE.....GONE? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.............I care less about this challenge now. Guess my prediction of her getting to the end was off but oh well.......NOOOOOOO.
Oh yeah congrats on her engagement!!
[quote=V1man;39106]Be shocked. The Hollywood ladies have been in the duel and acquitted themselves in fine fashion.[/quote]
Nice wording .....
I suspect that Brittani may be more athlethic some want to believe ..... sans Hollywood RW. I didn't think Kim had it in her, but from the remarks, she seems very "scrappy", and that's a good duel trait to have.
[quote=V1man;39106]Be shocked. The Hollywood ladies have been in the duel and acquitted themselves in fine fashion.[/quote]
That is awesome! I'm really rooting for both of them....Tres Amigas!! ;)
[quote=GoldenWarrior;39176]Okay so I was busy and unable to really get on Vevmo for a little while but as I gleefully ran back into my favorite board and crossing the road to home.....I was hit by a 18-wheeler going 90. KATIE.....GONE? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.............I care less about this challenge now. Guess my prediction of her getting to the end was off but oh well.......NOOOOOOO.
Oh yeah congrats on her engagement!![/quote]
There, there, GW. You'll always have the memories (and your avi of her). ;)
Congrats Katie I wish you so much happiness and joy!! (and we want to hear wedding details from V!) :D
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;39201]That is awesome! I'm really rooting for both of them....Tres Amigas!! ;)[/quote]
Could Brittani & Kim be the Duel II version of the Aneesa/Svetlana axis of Duel 1? Aneesa is going to be a problem though because she is going to be a very tough out, unless it is an endurance duel.
No one had a chance against Jodi, but the Duel 2 best (Tori) may not have the endurance and strength of a Jodi, so as long as the odds are, one of the Hollywood girls could come out of this thing a winner.
Minus Tori, everyone else is a toss up imo. Rachel has to take out a Paula or Tori for her to get back to G2 status imo.
[QUOTE=Darock1713;39204]Could Brittani & Kim be the Duel II version of the Aneesa/Svetlana axis of Duel 1? Aneesa is going to be a problem though because she is going to be a very tough out, unless it is an endurance duel.
No one had a chance against Jodi, but the Duel 2 best (Tori) may not have the endurance and strength of a Jodi, so as long as the odds are, one of the Hollywood girls could come out of this thing a winner.
Minus Tori, everyone else is a toss up imo. Rachel has to take out a Paula or Tori for her to get back to G2 status imo.[/QUOTE]
If I were Rachel, I'd do my best to ensure someone was motivated to go against Tori, hoping it would not be her day. Better to risk another than one's self, over and over again. The same is true of Paula. In a perfect world, I'd only want to be in one duel, the final one for the victory.
But then there are those ****** pesky rules and the format as well. We would all be foolish to think that BMP would actually have this challenge be a mirror image of the last Duel.
I would prefer the voting & eliminations be different from The Duel. But they have repeated the same rules before. Inferno 3's rules were the same as Inferno 2's. That was the only time it's happened, though. So I do think it's more likely that Duel 2's rules would be different than The Duel's than not.
[quote=CrazyRealityGuy;39216]I don't understand is everyone basing their view of Rachel on the one challenge she participated in from the Island? Robin fell in long before Rachel and it really came down to the wire. after talking with Rachel she said she literally couldn't feel her hands and legs for a week and that Kellyanne must be some kind of contortionist. Personally I think Rachel is one of the strongest girls there.[/quote]
I agree with you in your assessment of Rachel probably being one of the strongest girls on this new challenge. Some fans talk her up a great deal, which leads to people comparing the hype to her performances and not seeing as much greatness. And in turn I think that causes some people to underrate her as well when she actually does a decent or good job most of the time. I can see both sides, but I lean towards the "Rachel is a good competitor side," though I don't talk her up like she's this amazingly unbeatable person.
I also think The Island is a tougher challenge to use to assess people's normal challenge/mission strengths because everyone did not have to compete, and they didn't all compete together each day for comparison. I do think what we got out of The Island is some slight indication of what some of the challenge newbies could do (as least, concerning Kelly Ann).
[QUOTE=RW561015;39213]I would prefer the voting & eliminations be different from The Duel. But they have repeated the same rules before. Inferno 3's rules were the same as Inferno 2's. That was the only time it's happened, though. So I do think it's more likely that Duel 2's rules would be different than The Duel's than not.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the only difference between them was that on the Inferno 3, guys could only win a life shield on guy Inferno days and women could only win it on women Inferno days.
I'm interested in seeing how they will change the voting process for this challenge
[quote=RW561015;39213]I would prefer the voting & eliminations be different from The Duel. But they have repeated the same rules before. Inferno 3's rules were the same as Inferno 2's. That was the only time it's happened, though. So I do think it's more likely that Duel 2's rules would be different than The Duel's than not.[/quote]
The Duel I did phenominal in the ratings, and may hay been MTV's highest rated challenge show. Why change a format of a good thing? I'd keep everything exactly the same, including the face offs ...... minus I Can (replace that with anything but Sliders)...
As for Rachel, she is strong, perhaps very strong ..... but I don't think she is her G2 self. This does not say that she is beneath anyone else there ....... I still think Tori is the strongest girl there, followed by Rachel ....... (Tori's younger, bigger, and stronger period!).
However, I would absolutely love to see Rachel take Tori out in a physical duel. However, people are so afraid to go in there, they would rather play mindgames and manipulate others. Rachel's problem on the Island imo was that she was unaware of the rules change and the alliance complexity and thought things were status quo until she got there.
Now that she is in familiar surrounding with familiar people, she is more focused on shifting her attention to setting up Duels as opposed to prepping for one.
This same mindset of others (i.e. Kina, Diem, Robin, CT, Evan, etc) was their demise of Duel I. This fear alone propelled the status of people like Wes, Aneesa, and Svet .... who knew they were going in and had advance mental preparation over the so called skilled Vets who imo were afraid. I.E ... Kina vs Svet, i.e. Evan vs CT; i.e Diem vs Aneesa ... on and on. ........
With that said, I would not at all be surprised to see Kim, Brittani, Aneesa, and Tori (who probably will excel in most of the challenges) there at the end. Bottom line, eventually almost everyone will have to go into a face off so my advise to Rachel is to trust your ability. Ask CT, yeah he got screwed on Duel I (Push Me), but if he had focused on himself as opposed to trying to align himself with Jodi (who clearly sandbagged until she was alone) in the last mission, he may not have even had to go in.
Darock1713, interesting, but you wrong on a few things.
The reason I raised the game rules is in fact because there are some differences this time. Everyone should take into account in their individual analysis that you don't know what has changed and you probably won't for a long time. BMP's Duel 1 after action report may have included recommendations for changes to be made for a subsequent Duel show, or MTV may have dictated changes of their own from the 1515 Broadway brain trust.
I know of absolutely no evidence that people are "afraid" to go into the duel. What is your evidence, or is this simply your opinion?
I definitely do not agree with you regarding Rachel being at some fictional disadvantage during The Island because she didn't know the rules. She had no more or less information that any other cast member. All were told in their contract and in phone conversations with casting staff and in emails that The Island would be different. If she thought that meant there was some "status quo" then she would be monumentally stupid. She isn't.
You are correct that she is doing her best to set up duels, but that is not an easy thing to do since the first person into the duel picks his/her competition.
Jodi "sandbagged?" That is a little difficult to believe. I talked by phone to someone in the cast almost every day during the duel. I know Jodi did very well in all but two missions, was never selected for the duel and never chosen by the person selected. She was universally respected. Most there thought Beth and Jodi would face each other in the finale.
Tori is not doing well in the missions in NZ. She did not arrive in shape. She may work her way into shape, if someone does not take her out first.
[quote=V1man;39255]Jodi "sandbagged?" That is a little difficult to believe. I talked by phone to someone in the cast almost every day during the duel. I know Jodi did very well in all but two missions, was never selected for the duel and never chosen by the person selected. She was universally respected. Most there thought Beth and Jodi would face each other in the finale. [/quote]Sounded like he was referring to the second to last mission where one man and one woman had to team up, swim on a surfboard across the lake together, and then swim back alone. Jodi let CT do all the work on the way there and conserved her energy for when she was alone.
Also, looking at the Rachel thing from the Island from a different context, I can somewhat see what Darock was saying in terms of not being prepared for a "rules change" -- not necessarily the technical rules of the game, but rules in terms of how the dominant clique set up the game play. She was more familiar with the days when her and Veronica and their friends got to run the show and perhaps thought that as long as she fit in to Kenny's clique, the social aspects might not be much different from back in the day.
[quote=ssseeeaaann;39257]Sounded like he was referring to the second to last mission where one man and one woman had to team up, swim on a surfboard across the lake together, and then swim back alone. Jodi let CT do all the work on the way there and conserved her energy for when she was alone.
Also, looking at the Rachel thing from the Island from a different context, I can somewhat see what Darock was saying in terms of not being prepared for a "rules change" -- not necessarily the technical rules of the game, but rules in terms of how the dominant clique set up the game play. She was more familiar with the days when her and Veronica and their friends got to run the show and perhaps thought that as long as she fit in to Kenny's clique, the social aspects might not be much different from back in the day.[/quote]
Thank you for clarifying my thoughts. Perhaps, I could have worded some of my assessments better. Jodi did in fact sandbag during the last challenge when her and CT were partners (until she got on her own board - smart). My point was that CT looked in the wrong direction as opposed of focusing on his own strengths and was more after aligning himself with someone as opposed to trusting his own ability.
To my good friend Seeeaannn who provided this post - Thanks, the Rachel analogy is on point.
I can believe that Tori came on out of shape. i had a long email conversation with a cast member after G3, and she made a point to clarify Tori's conditioning. Still she is a beast in an elimination round.
I trust you on the rules change, but from what I have gathered from you and others ..... a person still picks his/her opponent.
I stated that imo people were afraid to go into duels and would prefer to avoid them. Let's look back at duel I ....
When Svet called out Kina, she cried hysterically before and after the Duel, yet the smae night after she lost because of her foot .... she went out dancing. I'm sure you can gather confirmation of this from your various sources.
Diem threw a hissy fit when she had to go in, and I can only imagine the off camera antics.
Evan just flat out didn't know what to do and tried to cheat ..... the surprise element of having to go in baffled him, and in the Duel ..... he wasn't even competitive.
Robin, at all costs manipulated the picks of Duel I to avoid having to face Beth - I know you can agree with me there V1man. When Aneesa called her out, she basically told her friends before the Duel that she was on her way home and that she was scarred.
The one thing that stood out for me with Rachel on the Island was her anxiety of going into the face off.
[QUOTE=Darock1713;39264]Thank you for clarifying my thoughts. Perhaps, I could have worded some of my assessments better. Jodi did in fact sandbag during the last challenge when her and CT were partners (until she got on her own board - smart). My point was that CT looked in the wrong direction as opposed of focusing on his own strengths and was more after aligning himself with someone as opposed to trusting his own ability.
To my good friend Seeeaannn who provided this post - Thanks, the Rachel analogy is on point.
I can believe that Tori came on out of shape. i had a long email conversation with a cast member after G3, and she made a point to clarify Tori's conditioning. Still she is a beast in an elimination round.
I trust you on the rules change, but from what I have gathered from you and others ..... a person still picks his/her opponent.
I stated that imo people were afraid to go into duels and would prefer to avoid them. Let's look back at duel I ....
When Svet called out Kina, she cried hysterically before and after the Duel, yet the smae night after she lost because of her foot .... she went out dancing. I'm sure you can gather confirmation of this from your various sources.
Diem threw a hissy fit when she had to go in, and I can only imagine the off camera antics.
Evan just flat out didn't know what to do and tried to cheat ..... the surprise element of having to go in baffled him, and in the Duel ..... he wasn't even competitive.
Robin, at all costs manipulated the picks of Duel I to avoid having to face Beth - I know you can agree with me there V1man. When Aneesa called her out, she basically told her friends before the Duel that she was on her way home and that she was scarred.
The one thing that stood out for me with Rachel on the Island was her anxiety of going into the face off.[/QUOTE]
I give up.... You all are on your own.
I think Darock illustrates a good point, the people on the first Duel who focused their energies on completely avoiding the Duel started taking falls towards the endgame. So maybe the same will become of Rachel who is reportedly focusing her energies in the same way as those other people, and perhaps not realizing the almost inevitability of partaking in a Duel herself.
[QUOTE]Tori is not doing well in the missions in NZ. She did not arrive in shape. She may work her way into shape, if someone does not take her out first.[/QUOTE]
I'm sad to hear that. I really hope she can pull it together. But it greatly surprises me that she would come to a challenge, especially one with this much money on the line, without training, especially since I can't imagine Brad didn't train. I wonder what she was thinking.
[QUOTE]I had a long email conversation with a cast member after G3, and she made a point to clarify Tori's conditioning. Still she is a beast in an elimination round.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by her conditioning? Are you saying she wasn't in great shape on the Gauntlet, either? I know Jillian implied that she's not a great runner, but I would think she's still physically stronger than a few of the other women.
Oh, dear. I'm concerned now.
[quote=V1man;39255]
The reason I raised the game rules is in fact because there are some differences this time. Everyone should take into account in their individual analysis that you don't know what has changed and you probably won't for a long time. BMP's Duel 1 after action report may have included recommendations for changes to be made for a subsequent Duel show, or MTV may have dictated changes of their own from the 1515 Broadway brain trust.
I know of absolutely no evidence that people are "afraid" to go into the duel. What is your evidence, or is this simply your opinion?
I definitely do not agree with you regarding Rachel being at some fictional disadvantage during The Island because she didn't know the rules. She had no more or less information that any other cast member. All were told in their contract and in phone conversations with casting staff and in emails that The Island would be different. If she thought that meant there was some "status quo" then she would be monumentally stupid. She isn't.
You are correct that she is doing her best to set up duels, but that is not an easy thing to do since the first person into the duel picks his/her competition.
Tori is not doing well in the missions in NZ. She did not arrive in shape. She may work her way into shape, if someone does not take her out first.[/quote]
I agree. A change in the rules is needed, and it is nice to no that there are some tweaks. Honestly, the elimination rounds need to be changed, and only 5? There needs to be a wider variety and larger amount.
I think it is an opinion, or at least to me. I wouldn't know specifically, but it seems to pump some up to go into a Duel. For others, they worry. Depends on their confidence.
I don't think she was had unfair disadvantages, but i think she was at a disadvantage for only knowing about 4 other people.
True, the hardest thing to do is to set up a Duel. Props to any of thm who can keep doing it.
Tori? Not in shape? SO hard to believe after her performance on the Gauntlet 3. Either friends are saving her or she instilled fear because of her past performances.
[QUOTE=Darock1713;39264]Thank you for clarifying my thoughts. Perhaps, I could have worded some of my assessments better. Jodi did in fact sandbag during the last challenge when her and CT were partners (until she got on her own board - smart). My point was that CT looked in the wrong direction as opposed of focusing on his own strengths and was more after aligning himself with someone as opposed to trusting his own ability.
To my good friend Seeeaannn who provided this post - Thanks, the Rachel analogy is on point.
I can believe that Tori came on out of shape. i had a long email conversation with a cast member after G3, and she made a point to clarify Tori's conditioning. Still she is a beast in an elimination round.
I trust you on the rules change, but from what I have gathered from you and others ..... a person still picks his/her opponent.
I stated that imo people were afraid to go into duels and would prefer to avoid them. Let's look back at duel I ....
When Svet called out Kina, she cried hysterically before and after the Duel, yet the smae night after she lost because of her foot .... she went out dancing. I'm sure you can gather confirmation of this from your various sources.
Diem threw a hissy fit when she had to go in, and I can only imagine the off camera antics.
Evan just flat out didn't know what to do and tried to cheat ..... the surprise element of having to go in baffled him, and in the Duel ..... he wasn't even competitive.
Robin, at all costs manipulated the picks of Duel I to avoid having to face Beth - I know you can agree with me there V1man. When Aneesa called her out, she basically told her friends before the Duel that she was on her way home and that she was scarred.
The one thing that stood out for me with Rachel on the Island was her anxiety of going into the face off.[/QUOTE]
Just to nitpick a bit, isn't a little unfair to say whether or not Kina really went out dancing on her supposed hurt foot? I only say this because it was Svetlana who made this claim. She couldn't possibly have been the most reliable person in that instance.
V1Man can clarify if he feels, because it obviously very well could be true, but I simply just always thought people only believed that because Svetlana said it, and most people loved Svetlana.
I think Kina could have been in agonizing pain immediately after the duel, combined with the emotional upset of having lost, and still managed to go dancing later. She clearly didn't break her foot; she probably got a cramp or a stretch in the arch, which can be unbelievably painful. It certainly does seem like it eventually gave out on her. But in a couple of hours, her foot was probably fine.
I've never understood what actually happens when a cast member is eliminated in one of these events. Are the goodbyes we see the actual goodbyes? It sounds like the answer is no, if Kina went out dancing that night.
Both preceding comments are correct. Kina did have a cramp in her arch. If you have never had one of those while exercising, you have not lived. Consider yourself fortunate.
Kina tried to continue with the cramp but the act of pushing on the pole was exerting force in the wrong to ease the cramp. She gave in to the pain. I'm confident they Kina's crying was the direct result of the combination of the immediate pain and losing to Svetlana who Kina knew Beth had beaten easily. She was pissed at herself.
Dancing later that day would have been possible, but the flaw in Svetlana's account is that immediately after losing in the duel, production took the loser to a commercial hotel in downtown Buzios. Kina was separated from the cast shortly after her loss. The next day she would have had her early morning departure interview at production's hotel and then been driven to Rio's international airport by Wilson, a local with a myspace account who became close to my friends on the challenge. If Kina went dancing that night, there is no way Svetlana would have known.
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