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Another thing (and I hope this doesnt offend anybody), when is MTV or BMP going to cast another gay castmate? It has been 2 or 3 seasons since they did, and the last one (Tyler) was just such an atrocious pick (I can't stand him, can ya tell??).[/quote]
I know there were a few gay/lesbian finalists for Brooklyn, but I can't say yet if one or more was picked for the cast.
We will know soon enough (when filming begins.)
[QUOTE=Bacchus;15590]I know there were a few gay/lesbian finalists for Brooklyn, but I can't say yet if one or more was picked for the cast.
We will know soon enough (when filming begins.)[/QUOTE]
Once they are cast, are they allowed to tell thier freinds and family that they made the show??
Just watched the ep last night.....as I said in another thread....Joey's letter....wow. I was staring at the TV with my mouth hanging open....speechless. What a brave thing to do.
Big ups to Bri for getting to work with Alex Band ( I love the Calling!!). Glad she is putting herself out there and seeing that she can rock it.
Can't wait to meet Brittni and Nick next week!
[quote=obinnadaone;15607]I'm sure you mean see. LoL[/quote]
There is some weight to the initial statement. OPD did meet Nick online (here) the other day! ;)
[quote=luckystar112;15621]I think Joey did the right thing, but you gotta admit it was sad when you saw that his friend had brought him a present! :([/quote]
I got the impression that wasn't the only present he brought...
Okay, I am totally going to be in the minority on this one. I am going to come to this Mike guy's defense (a bit).
Watching the dailies, it seems like (prior to coming out to L.A.) Mike was actually relatively supportive on the phone--telling joey that he was doing a good job with his sobriety and that he was proud of him.
In my opinion, Joey should have been more clear with Mike about his situation from the start. On the phone, Mike asked if they were going to "tear it up" when he got out to L.A. and asked if he needed to keep Joey under control or what. Dude was basically asking what the deal was and how he needed to adjust his behavior during his visit.
Right then and there was a perfect opportunity for Joey to clearly tell his friend that the rehab thing was serious and that he couldn't risk exposing himself to any red flags. Instead, he went with the flow, saying, "No, *I've* just got to keep it under control," and went on to talk about clubbing, telling Mike about all the hook-ups that the roomies had at all the hot-spots around town. He should have just told Mike flat out that he could not be around drugs and alcohol at all & that Mike just shouldn't come if he planned on doing that stuff near Joey. But Joey didn't say any of that (during the conversation that was posted online). He gave Mike the impression that they would be hanging out together and having a good time. And Mike was either too ignorant about addiction recovery or too selfish to realize that if Joey was in recovery, he needed to be kept away from the party atmosphere no matter what he might say to the contrary.
In interviews, confessionals, and with the roommates and friends Joey clearly stated that Mike's partying ways were a bad influence and that he didn't think it was a good idea to hang around with Mike. But when speaking directly to Mike, not only was Joey NOT as blunt about the situation as he was with others, he actually encouraged Mike to come to L.A. and gave the impression that everything was cool. It wasn't until Mike was already in town that Joey started hemming and hawing about hanging out. He was totally passive about the whole situation until other people (namely Sarah and his 2 friends from Chi) basically encouraged him to tell Mike to ***k off. I don't think that it was fair of Joeey to treat a friend that way, even if that friend is some kind of sad ***k-up. I would be pissed too if I took a trip to see my friend and was totally ignored when I got there.
Also, I can't find it now, but I remember seeing a clip on the dailies (or maybe last week's episode?) where Mike was on the phone with Joey and was talking about this now infamous bag of goodies. Mike said he brought a bag of T-shirts and hats & presents such as that. If I recall correctly, he didn't say anything about bringing drugs. I think the the drogas were just implied by others on this site and by editing choices.
I get the feeling that Mike was pretty clueless about a) the fact that he should not have even expected to be able to get high/drunk around Joey, and b) that Joey even had any reservations about the visit in the first place. It seemed like Mike only started to realize that Joey didn't want to be involved in any kind of party scene AFTER he got into town and realized that Joey was avoiding him. And, to be fair, how can the guy be blamed for thinking that he & Joey could party together if Joey did not give any other impression? Some people are just ignorant about recovery until they are educated & Mike seems to fall into that category. And let's not forget that the roommates themselves provided plenty of red flags even after they HAD been educated (I would even go so far as to say Dave was an enabler, based on some of the clips that have been shown)--yet they are not getting trashed for it as much as this disembodied voice, Mike, is.
Okay, that's my opinion. BUT, with all that said, obviously Joey is still just a young, somewhat immature guy & at the time of filming he was going through some serious shit. Nobody can be expected to make perfect decisions all the time, obviously, and especially under such heightened circumstances. So I don't want to come off like I think Joey is a total ******* for behaving the way he did toward Mike, I just think that he handled it poorly and could have avoided the whole situation if he'd just been open and honest with Mike from the get-go.
Obviously, Joey made the right decision in NOT hanging out with this Mike guy. But talking shit about him behind his back, letting him come to L.A. believing that they would be hanging out and partying together & then giving him the cold shoulder once he got into town was pretty lame & I can understand why Mike would be hurt and angry about it. Having to cut people out of your life always sucks, but I think that it could have been done in this case without adding insult to injury.
*whew* that was long.
[quote=maybeshesright;15630]Okay, I am totally going to be in the minority on this one. I am going to come to this Mike guy's defense (a bit).
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i agree with everything you said... i got the impression that mike did value their friendship even if it was a flawed friendship and he wouldve been a little bit more understanding if things had been explained more clearly. however with that said, we only got about a 5 minute exposure to mike but joey has known him for years so who knows, maybe he wouldnt have been understanding.
I agree too, maybeshesright.
And as for Kim, that whole "rule" makes me uneasy. It's coming off like it's more important to have "celebrities" on the site than to foster open conversation about the show. But I guess the more cast members participate the more hits this site gets, right?
If Kim does something really sh*tty in an episode, I'd like to be able to voice my opinion on her [I]behavior[/I] in that episode without feeling like I'm gonna get :censored2:
I would never call another forum member a **** or anything, and if Kim was POSTING I wouldn't call her one either. But where is the line drawn? Are we allowed to say, "Wow...Kim and Sarah were being b********" when referring to an episode?
P.S. Is the following emoticon appropriate for this family friendly site? Or do I just have a dirty mind?
:suck:
[QUOTE=killer-tofu;15640]i agree with everything you said... i got the impression that mike did value their friendship even if it was a flawed friendship and he wouldve been a little bit more understanding if things had been explained more clearly. however with that said, we only got about a 5 minute exposure to mike but joey has known him for years so who knows, maybe he wouldnt have been understanding.[/QUOTE]
Over the years, I've supported a number of people who went through rehab. The one consistent thing the doctors and counselors say is that you have to remove the toxic enablers from your life. Having helped more than one person through the process has convinced me that the rehab view is correct. An adict can not assoociate with a social user for a long time. The social user rarely understands that he or she is part of the problem.
In my experience, one of the things that would have happened in rehab would have been for Joey and a support couselor to advise someone like Mike that there could be no social contact between the two of them. The guy who introduced you to coke in the first place is not someone you need to see the first week you are out of rehab. You might as well play Russian Roulette. You are going to relapse.
[quote=luckystar112;15643] "Wow...Kim and Sarah were being b********" when referring to an episode?
:suck:[/quote]
If you add the phrase "In my opinion," or "It looked like," then I'm with you. To make a statement of fact as your sentence implies, places your feet in concrete and only invites agreement with your position unless someone is inclined to fight with you. With a somewhat more diplomatic approach one might become engaged in an interesting discussion with someone who disagrees. Certainly the later method is more likely to get Kim (or any other reality cast person or A list actor) involved in a discussion, which I must assume to be the preference of the overall membership.
I'd ask people to think long-term here. Cast members don't often visit forums and engage with intelligent fans (trust me, there are damn few intelligent fans at iamonmtv.com). This site can be that place where they can come and engage with smart people. We're attracting more and more of them every day. It would be nice if sometime in the not to distant future, "stars" felt they had to come to vevmo for validation -- and be expected to answer the tough questions you will have for them.
[quote=V1man;15644]Over the years, I've supported a number of people who went through rehab. The one consistent thing the doctors and counselors say is that you have to remove the toxic enablers from your life. Having helped more than one person through the process has convinced me that the rehab view is correct. An adict can not assoociate with a social user for a long time. The social user rarely understands that he or she is part of the problem.
In my experience, one of the things that would have happened in rehab would have been for Joey and a support couselor to advise someone like Mike that there could be no social contact between the two of them. The guy who introduced you to coke in the first place is not someone you need to see the first week you are out of rehab. You might as well play Russian Roulette. You are going to relapse.[/quote]
oh no... i didnt mean mike wouldve been a good person to hang out with if joey just made it more clear he cant do any drugs or drink, i meant he should've told mike not to come and the reasons why and that mike would be more understanding of that. i agree 100% that joey should have no social contact with him. i was only agreeing that joey kind of lead him on and even though i'm sure it's hard, he should've just shut him down the first time they talked .
[QUOTE=killer-tofu;15647]oh no... i didnt mean mike wouldve been a good person to hang out with if joey just made it more clear he cant do any drugs or drink, i meant he should've told mike not to come and the reasons why and that mike would be more understanding of that. i agree 100% that joey should have no social contact with him. i was only agreeing that joey kind of lead him on and even though i'm sure it's hard, he should've just shut him down the first time they talked .[/QUOTE]
I guess what I'm saying is that conversation with Mike should have occurred while he was still in rehab with the full support system to help him tell Mike. Because in my experience that is what happens, I am very suspicious of the episode. I know that two producers visited Joey in rehab without the presence of cameras. When it comes to BMP, I believe that almost any level of exploitation is fair game.
[quote=V1man;15648]I guess what I'm saying is that conversation with Mike should have occurred while he was still in rehab with the full support system to help him tell Mike.[/quote]
totally agree.
[quote=V1man;15648]I am very suspicious of the episode. I know that two producers visited Joey in rehab without the presence of cameras. When it comes to BMP, I believe that almost any level of exploitation is fair game.[/quote]
this is just depressing :/
[quote=V1man;15648]I guess what I'm saying is that conversation with Mike should have occurred while he was still in rehab with the full support system to help him tell Mike. Because in my experience that is what happens, I am very suspicious of the episode. I know that two producers visited Joey in rehab without the presence of cameras. When it comes to BMP, I believe that almost any level of exploitation is fair game.[/quote]
oh ok i see, i thought i hadnt made it clear that he shouldve told mike not to come. but i will agree with you and say that it shouldve been done while he was in rehab or atleast under the supervision of councilors. my only point was that it seemed as if joey led him on which is exactly what he shouldnt have done and i think based only on what i heard on the episode and on the dailies that mike wouldve been more understanding of the fact that joey couldnt have contact with him, regardless of it that news was broken to him while joey was in rehab or not.
[quote=killer-tofu;15651] my only point was that it seemed as if joey led him on which is exactly what he shouldnt have done and i think based only on what i heard on the episode and on the dailies that mike wouldve been more understanding of the fact that joey couldnt have contact with him ...[/quote]
this was my point too, more or less.
but i do recognize that joey perhaps just wasn't mature/aware/empowered enough at that point to be able to step back and recognize that he was leading mike on and that, instead of having him come to LA, he needed to let Mike know that their relationship had to be put on ice. now that v1man brought it up, it really IS ridiculous that they wouldn't have helped him with this in rehab. it makes me a bit ill to think about the implications of v1man's 'exploitation is fair game' comment.
[QUOTE=killer-tofu;15651]oh ok i see, i thought i hadnt made it clear that he shouldve told mike not to come. but i will agree with you and say that it shouldve been done while he was in rehab or atleast under the supervision of councilors. my only point was that it seemed as if joey led him on which is exactly what he shouldnt have done and i think based only on what i heard on the episode and on the dailies that mike wouldve been more understanding of the fact that joey couldnt have contact with him, regardless of it that news was broken to him while joey was in rehab or not.[/QUOTE]
In the Producer's bog at mtv.com, they talk about going to see Joey without cameras because they are not allowed, yet in a recent episode we see the cast visiting him. We see it because cameras are there.
You have to wonder if the lights are on at BMP but no one is home. The continuity of edited show, to RW Dailies, to the website commentary is like a very, very bad independent film.
[quote=V1man;15653]In the Producer's bog at mtv.com, they talk about going to see Joey without cameras because they are not allowed, yet in a recent episode we see the cast visiting him. We see it because cameras are there.
You have to wonder if the lights are on at BMP but no one is home. The continuity of edited show, to RW Dailies, to the website commentary is like a very, very bad independent film.[/quote]
yeah, you could only wonder if something is/was going on that they are trying to hide from the public... do you happen to know anything more v1man?
[QUOTE=killer-tofu;15654]yeah, you could only wonder if something is/was going on that they are trying to hide from the public... do you happen to know anything more v1man?[/QUOTE]
I don't know anything. It's like having an itch on your back that you need to scratch but you can't quite reach.
But on to more fun "Joey" news...
Joey is back in the bar scene doing appearances. Hopefully, his head is in the right place for him be be around all the alcohol and drugs without relapsing.
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I understand what everyone is saying about Joey needing to stay away from Mike and I fully agree. HOWEVER just because Mike's presence would be a detriment to Joey's recovery that does not excuse Joey's absurd behavior. From the moment he got off the phone with Mike after giving him the OK to come he knew he couldn't go out with him. This is evident how he immediatly went and told Sarah how Mike was still into drugs and alcohol. The smart/correct thing to do would have been to call him back immediatly and simply explain that he wasn't secure hanging out with him because of their past and his problems with addiction. It was a bit unfair IMO to act like everything was fine, act all excited for him to come, and then completely blow him off only after he was actually in Hollywood. I entirely understand that Joey needs to put his own well being before other's to overcome this, but this by no means he has a free pass to be an ***** and treat ANYONE the way he did Mike.
[quote=V1man;15648]When it comes to BMP, I believe that almost any level of exploitation is fair game.[/quote]
Any level:[URL="http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/real-world-chicago-cast-admits-their-september-11-reactions-were-staged-546.php"] Real World: Chicago' cast admits their September 11 reactions were staged[/URL]
[quote=Bacchus;15657]Any level:[URL="http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/real-world-chicago-cast-admits-their-september-11-reactions-were-staged-546.php"] Real World: Chicago' cast admits their September 11 reactions were staged[/URL][/quote]
nice...
i see in there that cara said "don't do it" to anyone considering being on the real world... Will, if you see this, i want to know your opinion after having seen how the situations you faced have been edited...
Nick too, except i dont know if you have seen the rest of the episodes or not
[QUOTE=Bacchus;15657]Any level:[URL="http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/real-world-chicago-cast-admits-their-september-11-reactions-were-staged-546.php"] Real World: Chicago' cast admits their September 11 reactions were staged[/URL][/QUOTE]
That is so messed up.
Some of them were even crying!
I remember that when I saw Cara crying in that episode I thought there was something wrong with me because while I thought it was sad, it didn't move me to tears immediately.
Geez....
[quote=killer-tofu;15661]nice...
i see in there that cara said "don't do it" to anyone considering being on the real world... Will, if you see this, i want to know your opinion after having seen how the situations you faced have been edited...
Nick too, except i dont know if you have seen the rest of the episodes or not[/quote]
Ive seen a few of my Eps.. and i'll say this.. before the season started we were told..."We edit for drama".. i knew that coming in and was assured that coming out. i think not being as "dramatic" as others it wouldnt effect me much but I have seen where things might look a different way than they totally are. You ever hear someone think a joke is hysterical..and tells you about it and your like ..lame....and they reply " I guess you had to be there"... Thats what the blogs are for to me. I ve blogged about every single episode of myself that Ive seen to kinda show you where things stemmed from so you guys dont think Im crazy lol. I do the video blogs for them today give to you a better understanding. Your putting yourself out there for the ENTIRE world to judge.
Example.. I tend to mostly date white and spanish woman..But on the dailies will makes a statement to Brianna about me only dating white girls..yea i said that..but there was more lool...how many people you think are telling me "you aint jamaican, why dont you like black girls, you hate your own kind" blah blah blah.. when in actuality Im prolly more "black" than most these people hittin me up! They dont know I was born in the country parish of jamaica.. or that my closest female friends are all black...that my last two semi serious relationship were with dominicans..Its TV and they edit for drama or you wouldnt watch.. thats how i consider it.
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Example.. I tend to mostly date white and spanish woman..But on the dailies will makes a statement to Brianna about me only dating white girls..yea i said that..but there was more lool....[/QUOTE]
Ohhh, you know you are about to feel the heat from a lot of sistas off that right? A lot of black women were really happy and shocked to see some attractive black men on RW. And, you already know a lot of us feel a way about black men dating outside their race. The chicks at LSA are going to have a field day with you.
[quote=nickbrownrw20;15667]ive Seen A Few Of My Eps.. And I'll Say This.. Before The Season Started We Were Told..."we Edit For Drama".. I Knew That Coming In And Was Assured That Coming Out. I Think Not Being As "dramatic" As Others It Wouldnt Effect Me Much But I Have Seen Where Things Might Look A Different Way Than They Totally Are. You Ever Hear Someone Think A Joke Is Hysterical..and Tells You About It And Your Like ..lame....and They Reply " I Guess You Had To Be There"... Thats What The Blogs Are For To Me. I Ve Blogged About Every Single Episode Of Myself That Ive Seen To Kinda Show You Where Things Stemmed From So You Guys Dont Think Im Crazy Lol. I Do The Video Blogs For Them Today Give To You A Better Understanding. Your Putting Yourself Out There For The Entire World To Judge.
Example.. I Tend To Mostly Date White And Spanish Woman..but On The Dailies Will Makes A Statement To Brianna About Me Only Dating White Girls..yea I Said That..but There Was More Lool...how Many People You Think Are Telling Me "you Aint Jamaican, Why Dont You Like Black Girls, You Hate Your Own Kind" Blah Blah Blah.. When In Actuality Im Prolly More "black" Than Most These People Hittin Me Up! They Dont Know I Was Born In The Country Parish Of Jamaica.. Or That My Closest Female Friends Are All Black...that My Last Two Semi Serious Relationship Were With Dominicans..its Tv And They Edit For Drama Or You Wouldnt Watch.. Thats How I Consider It.[/quote]
I Was Really Hoping That You'd Clear That Up Nick! I'm Friends With You On Facebook And I Saw Your Pics And I Clearly Saw You Around Of Black People In Your Pictures So I Knew It's Not Like You Thought You Were A Sellout Or Tryna Be White However You May Put It. You're From New Rochelle, Yes, And It's Kinda White There But I Knew That As A Jamaican You Weren't A Sellout To Your Race. I Watched The Dailies Today And It Totally Confused Me And Make Me Think That Everything I Thought About You Was Wrong... It's Really Good You Cleared It Up Because A Lot Of People May Have Gotten The Wrong Impression Of That. I'll Tell My Friends When Wednesdays Episode Airs What Exactly You Said Here And How It Was Twisted For Entertainment.
[quote=roundables;15674]Ohhh, you know you are about to feel the heat from a lot of sistas off that right? A lot of black women were really happy and shocked to see some attractive black men on RW. And, you already know a lot of us feel a way about black men dating outside their race. The chicks at LSA are going to have a field day with you.[/quote]
I am who I am.. and I think if your not hurting anyone with your choices it shouldnt bother you.... I was vocal about my preference throughout my casting process and to "test" me.. the even sent me on a date with a black girl.. We got alooong GREAAAT too haha...
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