Real World Hollywood: Ep. 6 - Panties, Pranks & Thieves

Did anyone else notice that when Reva is talking to Will at the bar, the captions below her say that she's saying "*** it..*** it" when you can HEAR her and CLEARLY she's saying "forget it"????

I'm glad that things calmed down. :) I totally respect differences in opinion, but I felt like our for the most part "happy" group was under attack yesterday. I was getting ready to post a response several times but kept having trouble remembering my sign on info. Finally got it under control. I swear one of those people was Greg's mom. LOL :) It blows my mind how people defend him. I just don't get it. I mean, he put soap in people's food and did stupid stuff that we don't see throughout the entire time. They still show plenty on the show so that people should get a good idea of his lame spineless character. Bacchus, you didn't have any of the roommates as your personal trainer while out there did you? I know Joey trained someone while we were visiting.

[QUOTE=luckystar112;13249]Did anyone else notice that when Reva is talking to Will at the bar, the captions below her say that she's saying "*** it..*** it" when you can HEAR her and CLEARLY she's saying "forget it"????[/QUOTE] Yes, it seemed obvious to me, too. I guess BMP decided to throw her under the bus.

[quote=Bacchus;13223]You noticed that too? That is basically what happened. There were a few forums that linked here yesterday whose members feel Will is a disgrace (for reasons that I am not going to touch on, but have nothing to do with Reva or Sarah or any of that jazz) and now those links are a few pages deep and people are not coming over in the same numbers. On a normal day there are 5-10 people that sign up, yesterday there were 75+ (with 90% coming from the same two referrers.) [B] Basically we had an influx of singular group think that was not representative of viewers as a whole (or members here in general) and as much as I enjoyed their short stay, it is doubtful that they will remain to provide meaningful discussion on the full range of topics that we delve into here at Vevmo on a daily basis. [/B] Ohh....I like your new avatar....muhuahahaha. :D [I] *bacchus can be seen cracking open photoshop*[/I][/quote] The poll results say that the influx of the singular group are more representative of the viewers of a whole than the majority of the vocal members here on Vevmo. [B][I][URL="http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/realworld-season20/poll_thanks.jhtml"]Real World XX: Hollywood | MTV[/URL] [/I][/B] I was one of the new members who joined yesterday; however, I was not referred from any forum or another website. I've been reading Vevmo for a few months now-- mostly for the spoilers and to see what everyone else thought of the new season-- and I joined because the board seemed to almost unanimously bash Greg without acknowledging the wrongdoings of the other cast members. As I pointed out in my debut post, Greg [I]is[/I] an *******; however, Dave is an enabler and a man who concerns himself with mainly popoffs. KKKim said a lot of racially insensitive remarks, while Sarah hypocritically stole stuff from Bri and stole Greg's chicken and then cried when Greg took her stuff, while judging everyone in the house but KKKim as either amoral or immoral. As inane is my initial analysis of Will being a bad guy may be to others, I initially thought he was a great guy-- until he did the 180 on Brianna in the first episode. He then pursued Sarah even though he knew she had a man and even flirted with her when Ryan was there, and then he did what he did with Reva, which was may or may not be justified depending on how you feel about Greg. Saying that Greg's father died because he found out Greg was a homosexual is just wrong. I joined the message board because it seemed as though the most vocal members here bashed Gregory and, from my point of view, forgot that everybody in that house shits. With that said, I hope I'm not going to be banned for going against the status quo..

[QUOTE=mayorga;13252]The poll results say that the influx of the singular group are more representative of the viewers of a whole than the majority of the vocal members here on Vevmo. [B][I][URL="http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/realworld-season20/poll_thanks.jhtml"]Real World XX: Hollywood | MTV[/URL] [/I][/B] I was one of the new members who joined yesterday; however, I was not referred from any forum or another website. I've been reading Vevmo for a few months now-- mostly for the spoilers and to see what everyone else thought of the new season-- and I joined because the board seemed to almost unanimously bash Greg without acknowledging the wrongdoings of the other cast members. As I pointed out in my debut post, Greg [I]is[/I] an *******; however, Dave is an enabler and a man who concerns himself with mainly popoffs. KKKim said a lot of racially insensitive remarks, while Sarah hypocritically stole stuff from Bri and stole Greg's chicken and then cried when Greg took her stuff, while judging everyone in the house but KKKim as either amoral or immoral. As inane is my initial analysis of Will being a bad guy may be to others, I initially thought he was a great guy-- until he did the 180 on Brianna in the first episode. He then pursued Sarah even though he knew she had a man and even flirted with her when Ryan was there, and then he did what he did with Reva, which was may or may not be justified depending on how you feel about Greg. Saying that Greg's father died because he found out Greg was a homosexual is just wrong. I joined the message board because it seemed as though the most vocal members here bashed Gregory and, from my point of view, forgot that everybody in that house shits. With that said, I hope I'm not going to be banned for going against the status quo..[/QUOTE] The membership at mtv.com is on the lowest spectrum of the show's prime 18-34 demographic, and they have a large contingent of members 17 and younger. It is not a audience for which I have any great expections of wisdom. Further, any social scientist will tell you that on-line polls like these are so unscientific that MTV doesn't even bother to suggest there is a computed inherent margin of error. They are designed to be provocative and are otherwise largely valueless. Personally, I could care less about either Greg or Will's opinion on what happened. It's Reva's body and she can do with it as she chooses.

[quote=V1man;13254]The membership at mtv.com is on the lowest spectrum of the show's prime 18-34 demographic, and they have a large contingent of members 17 and younger. It is not a audience for which I have any great expections of wisdom. Further, any social scientist will tell you that on-line polls like these are so unscientific that MTV doesn't even bother to suggest there is a computed inherent margin of error. They are designed to be provocative and are otherwise largely valueless. Personally, I could care less about either Greg or Will's opinion on what happened. It's Reva's body and she can do with it as she chooses.[/quote] Granted, the poll is not scientific; however, what else are we to use as a measuring stick to discern the degree to which the majority of Real World fans feel animosity toward the two men in question other than a poll that the company puts onto their official website? Regardless of whether or not you deem the viewers of their site to be wise, they're entitled to an opinion, just as you are. All I'm trying to say is that the supposed vanguards of Vevmo seems to respect only the opinions of those whom agree with them. Since the majority of the people who voted are juxtaposed to the most vocal members of this message board, your insinuation that the "large contingent of members 17 and younger" are unwise qualifies my argument. Regardless, you're right about Reva's right to personal autonomy.

KKKim; classic

I just watched Greg's response video and apparently he ended up banging Reva anyway. lol. Stay classy, Reva!

[quote=V1man;13254]The membership at mtv.com is on the lowest spectrum of the show's prime 18-34 demographic, and they have a large contingent of members 17 and younger. It is not a audience for which I have any great expections of wisdom. Further, any social scientist will tell you that on-line polls like these are so unscientific that MTV doesn't even bother to suggest there is a computed inherent margin of error. They are designed to be provocative and are otherwise largely valueless. [/quote] Hence why Austin won "Best Season" on that Awards Bash, as well as many of the newer casts taking home the "awards."

[quote=Bacchus;13264]I fully adhere to your belief that the poll holds [I]some[/I] value and that is why I am confused by the logic of your statement. I may not be a math genius, but it would seem to me that if the larger number supports that "He owes Greg nothing" then the [I]majority[/I] would be behind Will in this matter, correct? [/quote] Wow, you're right. When I originally posted my message, the results were 60-40 for Greg's side. I'll concede to V1's point about the polls not being scientific. With reverence given to your sanctimonious rebuttal, my main point was enumerated in numerous posts, but I'll say it again: everyone in the house shits, and the certain vocal members of this message board seem to think that only Greg is capable of evil. I had a full post outlying all of the things I thought the cast members did that were either shady, gully, or just plain wrong, but there was not even an attempt to address those contentions; rather, as was the case yesterday, the poster and certain semantics were attacked and not the arguments made in favor of balancing the love/hate Greg ratio on Vevmo. To be clear, my intentions in joining Vevmo were not to "troll" or insult any other members. I can not speak for the other new members, but I just wanted to say my piece and have my opinion respected. By the way, I thought that Austin was the best season. It may just be my Texan pride, though.

Dang Will smashes everybody. He's almost as big of a **** as Tek from Hawaii, not quite but almost.

[quote=Bacchus;13273]If I had a nickel for every time.... Maybe you just read it wrong? I looked right after you posted the poll. Couldn't have been 20 minutes later. From what I have seen around the net, those numbers fall in line with the general consensus so I can take faith that they are statistically relevant for the demo to some extent. Obviously to be taken with a grain of sand, but it sounds about right. Your post was designed to deflect accountability from Greg's actions by pointing us in a different direction. I don't have time for that.[/quote] Again with the sanctimony. Regardless, I do not believe I read it wrong the first time, and the majority of the comments on the offical MTV message board, as well as the comments on the dailies webpage, are in line with my own opinion on the situation. And yes, while my point did point to a different direction, it was not intended to "deflect accountability" from Greg's actions. Prior to making the majority of my arguments, I've qualified my statements each time by stating something akin to "Greg is an *******," or "Greg is wrong." He was wrong for a lot of the things he did, but so were a lot of the other characters for what they did. To be clear, Greg should be held accountable for the things he did--- just as the other characters should for the things they did. As to your claim that you "don't have time for that," what is "that"? If you're implying that you don't have time to address any of my contentions, is it that you don't have the time or that you agree that KKKim makes racially offensive comments, Will crossed the line by bringing up Greg's dead father, and Dave is an enabler who gets around? If you have the time to read everything I've said, and then dissect it line by line to pull quotes you feel are most vulnerable, then how do you not have time to address those that aren't? Once again, I hope you don't ban me for being in opposition to you-- or give me an avatar with the world "tool" over it..

[QUOTE=mayorga;13275]Again with the sanctimony. Regardless, I do not believe I read it wrong the first time, and the majority of the comments on the offical MTV message board, as well as the comments on the dailies webpage, are in line with my own opinion on the situation. And yes, while my point did point to a different direction, it was not intended to "deflect accountability" from Greg's actions. Prior to making the majority of my arguments, I've qualified my statements each time by stating something akin to "Greg is an *******," or "Greg is wrong." He was wrong for a lot of the things he did, but so were a lot of the other characters for what they did. To be clear, Greg should be held accountable for the things he did--- just as the other characters should for the things they did. As to your claim that you "don't have time for that," what is "that"? If you're implying that you don't have time to address any of my contentions, is it that you don't have the time or that you agree that KKKim makes racially offensive comments, Will crossed the line by bringing up Greg's dead father, and Dave is an enabler who gets around? If you have the time to read everything I've said, and then dissect it line by line to pull quotes you feel are most vulnerable, then how do you not have time to address those that aren't? Once again, I hope you don't ban me for being in opposition to you-- or give me an avatar with the world "tool" over it..[/QUOTE] Personally, I'd think about banning you for the "KKKim" appelation. I'm sick of people playing that card. I'm curious as to why you reference something from a future episode when none of us have any idea of its context. I wouldn't think of going there until there is some compelling basis for it, but I'm guessing that you've never had a judge bite your head off in court for getting ahead of the evidence.

[quote=Bacchus;13278]I think Will crossed the line. I think Kim just[I] might[/I] have deep seated racist beliefs (or at least an all encompassing, regretful naivete.) I think Dave likes to have fun, maybe a little too much - but oh well. Here is your problem: [quote]I've qualified my statements each time by stating something akin to "Greg is an *******," or "Greg is wrong."[/quote]I don't have time to go in circles (or will no longer make the time) on this subject because you qualify everything you say and I am getting tired of answering the same question permutated to the n[SIZE=1][I]th[/I][/SIZE] degree. It is always, "Greg might be "XYZ" [I]but [/I]cast member [ABC]....[put something worse in here.] I think every cast member is screwed up beyond belief and that is why they were cast in the first place. Truthfully, Will is at the top of my "shit list" because of the dissolution of the relationship with Parisa whom I talk with often and consider a friend - but that is neither here nor there. The point is, you never made an argument about any of the other individuals except when in adjunct to defending Greg. I like to call it the, "Mommy but he did it too!" Defense. Greg has his moments and I occasionally get a chuckle from him being a complete idiot, but for the most part I find him indefensible. How about we leave it at that. Corona just called and wants me to stop by. Have a nice evening. [/quote] I'm glad we've found common ground in regards to the other people. Have a nice evening yourself. And to V1, I didn't realize my nickname for Kimberly would offend anyone. I'll try to stop calling her that.

[QUOTE=mayorga;13257]Granted, the poll is not scientific; however, what else are we to use as a measuring stick to discern the degree to which the majority of Real World fans feel animosity toward the two men in question other than a poll that the company puts onto their official website? Regardless of whether or not you deem the viewers of their site to be wise, they're entitled to an opinion, just as you are. All I'm trying to say is that the supposed vanguards of Vevmo seems to respect only the opinions of those whom agree with them. Since the majority of the people who voted are juxtaposed to the most vocal members of this message board, your insinuation that the "large contingent of members 17 and younger" are unwise qualifies my argument. Regardless, you're right about Reva's right to personal autonomy.[/QUOTE] Why do we need a measuring stick? I don't care what they think. I've spoken to many in MTV's demographic who were attending TRL broadcasts or RW reunion tapings. Largely I've been left with the distinct impression that the American educational system has gone to Hell in a hand basket. I considered it a major victory to discover two in any group who could form a simple declarative sentence. BTW, I'm simply a casual poster here and hardly at the vanguard of anything. I have an affinity for Samuel Clements (better know to some as "Mark Twain, but likely not known at all to the vast majority MTV viewers) who said that he had no desire to be a part of any club that would have him as a member. On many issues, Bacchus and I have disagreements. We had one regarding Parisa, and he won me over. I hope I've influenced him a time or two as well. I'd like to think I've earned his respect; he has mine.

[quote=V1man;13282]Why do we need a measuring stick? I don't care what they think. I've spoken to many in MTV's demographic who were attending TRL broadcasts or RW reunion tapings. Largely I've been left with the distinct impression that the American educational system has gone to Hell in a hand basket. I considered it a major victory to discover two in any group who could form a simple declarative sentence. BTW, I'm simply a casual poster here and hardly at the vanguard of anything. I have an affinity for Samuel Clements (better know to some as "Mark Twain, but likely not known at all to the vast majority MTV viewers) who said that he had no desire to be a part of any club that would have him as a member. On many issues, Bacchus and I have disagreements. We had one regarding Parisa, and he won me over. I hope I've influenced him a time or two as well. I'd like to think I've earned his respect; he has mine.[/quote] Okay.

[quote=Katiedid;12860]Yeeeeesh! Greg wants to talk about Dave's girl not being that hot, look at Reva![/quote] Agreed! LOL:puke:

[quote=roundables;13193]What in the ham sandwich happened in here? There is some serious internet thuggin going on in this thread. I think we can all agree to disagree. However, I don't agree w/ taking shots at Bacchus. You don't invite yourself over to someone's house, and then shit in the living room.[/quote] I know right....goodness I've been out of town for 2 days and I come to read ONE episode thread and it's almost 30 pages long!! And hardly anyone's talking about the episode!! Dangit I agree w/ V1Man Vevmo has kind of been a family....we don't always agree but we don't take cheap shots at eachother!! People are going to sign up and come through all the time talking smack and spouting opinions....but the fact of the matter is....[I]Most [/I]of us don't [I]know [/I]eachother on any sort of real-life personal level, so making assumptions and being rude to eachother is not cool. Maybe I'm just feeling Katidid's hippie vibe....LoL :) But don't bite the hand that feeds you or you very well deserve to get the boot!:fool: ETA: Maybe I came too late but what is [quote]"***im"[/quote] ??

This post is sooo long. I am new here too, kind of new anyway, but I think I remember seeing something about Reva posting some kind of response to the episode. My eyes are blurring from trying to catch up on all of this, so maybe I'm hallucinating? And I loved the Victoria's Secret product placement, I think VS was also featured on Gossip Girl or something awhile back. The shot of Kim and Sarah in the store reminded me of old Real World - I thought, man, I remember when they used to blur all of that stuff out, but I guess, welcome to Hollywood & advertisements! :-)

I spent a few hours catching up on the real world. I was really excited to come here and post my views. And now i have to read 30 pages....Forget that. So here are my views on the characters so far: i) Kim (really annoying) Easy life, easy money, easy everything. Huge superiority complex. ii) Sarah: I am holier than thou. Its my god given right to judge. iii) Greg: Yield before the almighty. He shall strike you with his 1 inch wand. iv) Dave: Still trying to decide. First impression was over confident frat boy. v) Will: Shady from the first episode. He has the lines but no bite. Image oriented. vi) Joey: A bit naive. Cant ( actually i kinda can) tell if he is crying or sending out an audition tape. vii) Briana: Probably the only real character in the real world. Temper issues, but very down to earth. The only character i like to watch.

I agree. Brianna is the only 'normal' character on the show. Every other character has issues.

ooooh BB1. What a snoozefest. I did like Brittany and Chicken George though =) Was george on the all-stars season?

[QUOTE=RockSteadyVybes;13315]ooooh BB1. What a snoozefest. I did like Brittany and Chicken George though =) Was george on the all-stars season?[/QUOTE] Yes. he was evicted in week 9 of BB All Stars, on this third nomination for eviction. He placed 5th among the 14 houseguests. Personally, I prefered Jean Jordan who became more of a model (template) for BB 2 and subsequsent season's casting. She had a much more interesting back story.

Can I just say, in the months after we left Sydney I heard that production had a hard time with storylines and kind of understood why our season wasn't so highly publicized or paid attention to by MTV; watching a few episodes of Hollywood makes it very very very very very very very clear why. This season is serving up the drama and scandal and genuinely heartbreaking human decomposition that ratings flock to but at the end of the day I'm really glad I went to Sydney and lived in a "tamer" environment. Being friends with a few of the Hollywood castmates, I know they had a lot of fun out there too but what's making the cut can only be scarring as a public remnant of such an intense (and would be/could be/should be fulfilling) experience. If any of you Williamsburg kids are reading this: have fun but watch episode 6 and 7 (and 8-12) of Hollywood to know that you don't have to wring yourself out for ratings...everything you do/think/feel in that house will be extrapolated on and it's a great time to really, REALLY evaluate yourself inside out and decide "is this who I am or who I want to be?" Don't be fake by any means. Just THINK and make change for the better. It won't just change your life, it can inspire someone else to do the same, whether it's your roommate or a 14 year old girl in Nebraska.

Sounds like solid advice!

Well said Parisa, well said! But all the petty little fights aside, you know it's an explosive season when the show can stir up this many emotions and passionate responses, good or bad, from people. Can't wait til next week! :)