[QUOTE=El Scorcho;302130]I agree with a lot of people have said so far, the reason production hasn't done another big team challenge or Duel 3 is because it would require them to cast the average joe player from past challenges. The reason why the past two challenges have been Rivals and Exes is because it weeds out people that the [B]majority of viewer's don't really care to see again (Luke, Danny, J.D., Shauvon, Melinda, etc.)[/B] Because who would you pair Luke with on Rivals or Exes? Or J.D.? Or Shauvon? There is no one. The number 1 and 2 things that boost ratings are rivalries and hook ups. That's why they did it like that. What they could do next, I have no idea. People keep throwing around BFF's but it would bring no drama if everyone got along.[/QUOTE]
False statement. Danny and Melinda were asked to be on Exes but couldnt because Melinda was in school...and unlike most of the "Exes" this past season Danny and Melinda were actually Exes....plus The Real World Austin was voted viewers favorite season in the real world awards a few years back and that season focused around Danny and Melinda the whole show....why would the viewers vote for their favorite season as The Real World Austin if they didnt want to see Danny or Melinda? Imo they would have made Exes more interesting than Johnny/Camila or...Nate/Priscilla or any of the other "exes" that werent really exes.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;302130] Because who would you pair Luke with on Rivals or Exes? Or J.D.? Or Shauvon? There is no one. The number 1 and 2 things that boost ratings are rivalries and hook ups. [/QUOTE]
If MTV really wants to make a pairing of someone, they will. They could have paired Luke with Camila on Exes. Shauvon and Laurel/Sarah (Rivals) and Vinny/Dan on Exes. J.D with Tyler on Exes.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;302130]I agree with a lot of people have said so far, the reason production hasn't done another big team challenge or Duel 3 is because it would require them to cast the average joe player from past challenges. The reason why the past two challenges have been Rivals and Exes is because it weeds out people that the majority of viewer's don't really care to see again (Luke, Danny, J.D., Shauvon, Melinda, etc.) Because who would you pair Luke with on Rivals or Exes? Or J.D.? Or Shauvon? There is no one. The number 1 and 2 things that boost ratings are rivalries and hook ups. That's why they did it like that. What they could do next, I have no idea. [B]People keep throwing around BFF's but it would bring no drama if everyone got along.[/B][/QUOTE]
They could make it a little interesting, where they put each "BFF" on an opposite team from each other and whichever "BFFs" at the end are given an extra prize. Also. the opposing team chooses who goes in the elimination round so it that would cause drama within the teams.
[QUOTE=raskkii;302147]If MTV really wants to make a pairing of someone, they will. They could have paired Luke with Camila on Exes. Shauvon and Laurel/Sarah (Rivals) and Vinny/Dan on Exes. J.D with Tyler on Exes.[/QUOTE]
They would not have paired Luke with Camila on a show called Exes. There was no speculation that they hooked up, Camila hated Luke. They only way I could see them being paired on a challenge is if they did a Rivals 2 with different *** teams. And as far as the Shauvon being paired with Laurel or Sarah, that wouldn't work because Laurel had a bigger rivalry with Cara Maria and Sarah had a bigger rivalry with Katelynn. That would be like pairing Kenny with Dunbar instead of Wes, it wouldn't make sense. And with Shauvon and Vinny, maybe for a Rivals 2, but not Exes, there was no footage of Vinny and Shauvon hooking up, Sarah just mentioned something. Shauvon and Dan maybe. But you got me on J.D./Tyler.
[quote]It's become very evident to me that this season's The Challenge: Rivals is really only fun to watch when CT is acting crazy. I mean yesterday's episode featured very little CT and I was honestly kind of bored.
Since you clearly have a lot of pull over there with the Bunim/Murray people (I give you credit for the Rivals idea regardless of whether or not they already had it in the works), I figured I'd run my idea for next season past you: Turn it into an American Gladiators-type show where a bunch of Fresh Meat go up against the Challenge All-Stars (prominently featuring CT of course). Unlike the normal "Fresh Meat" seasons, none of the 'gladiators' are getting kicked off. I mean I'm sure you need to figure out ways to incent the 'gladiators' and keep the politics lively, but at least with this format CT is kicking the **** out of someone every episode.
--Marc, Brooklyn
First off, shout out to Brooklyn. Second, this is a little seedling of an idea, a quarter-baked idea. Let's throw this jammy back in the oven and cook it until golden brown, shall we? (Yes, I still say jammy. I am old.)
I love the American Gladiators concept. I can already see Alton, Landon, CT, Laurel, Veronica, and Ev in their outfits. Ev has a special Under Armor visor and everything. It would essentially boil down to Iron Chef except instead of squid ink and ox balls, the secret ingredients would be Jäegermeister and emotional instability. Here is the wrinkle that you are missing, Marc in Brooklyn: They aren't all physical challenges. The fresh meat on The Challenge: Gladiators would have to outdrink Adam Royer, outspellingbee Brad, outdance Jenn With Two Ns, outcry Robin, and outexhibitionist*** Cara Maria and Abram. Lawyers may take issue with that last one, but there are no bad ideas in a brainstorm, right? On second thought, totally untrue, brainstorms are often like 90 percent bad ideas.
The more I think about it, the less I think this is a good idea for a TV show. Why not? Because it is bigger than that, Marc in Brooklyn. THIS IS A ******* THEME PARK! If Disney can make billions by selling the possibility to have a picture with a dude in a Goofy suit, can't we turn a profit selling the opportunity to wrestle CT? Have a ménage with Veronica? Get a tattoo from Abram? Over in ChallengeLand, Cara Maria runs the carnie show where she douses the audience in Devil ***, Kenny gives self-help lectures in his auditorium, Big Easy cooks at the restaurant, Bananas is the barkeep at the Inslopsicated Saloon, and Shauvon is the house mom of the strip club. Before you ask me what about Shauvon makes her qualified to be the house mom at the strip club, ask yourself: What about Shauvon doesn't make her qualified to be the house mom at the strip club? The more I think about it, the more this is becoming the ultimate bachelor party destination. ChallengeLand isn't just for partying in either; you can compete with your friends in all the greatest events in the history of the show. The zip line from Rivals is at ChallengeLand, the spinning thing that makes you puke from The Inferno is at ChallengeLand, and, of course, the human catapult spelling bee thing from last season is at ChallengeLand. I can't wait for my best friend to get engaged so I can take everyone to ChallengeLand. I may or may not have just Googled "mail order bride" to speed along the process.
This season of RW San Diego has been boring. What I am proposing is the Adam Royer solution! Bring in Adam Royer from RW Back to Las Vegas and put him in the San Diego house. This would immediately increase ratings for the show. How great would it be to watch him say inappropriate things to Sam and Frank? Watch him get drunk and pick fights with Zach and try to hit on Ashley and Alexandra. Tell me why this couldn't work.
P.S The Adam Royer solution could work with any reality show with poor ratings.
--Andan, Chicago
Adam Royer is the hot sauce of reality TV shows. Everything you put him on would get better. Except Battle for the Baby. He would try to crush up and snort the baby or something.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=El Scorcho;302169]They would not have paired Luke with Camila on a show called Exes. There was no speculation that they hooked up, Camila hated Luke. They only way I could see them being paired on a challenge is if they did a Rivals 2 with different *** teams. And as far as the Shauvon being paired with Laurel or Sarah, that wouldn't work because Laurel had a bigger rivalry with Cara Maria and Sarah had a bigger rivalry with Katelynn. That would be like pairing Kenny with Dunbar instead of Wes, it wouldn't make sense. And with Shauvon and Vinny, maybe for a Rivals 2, but not Exes, there was no footage of Vinny and Shauvon hooking up, Sarah just mentioned something. Shauvon and Dan maybe. But you got me on J.D./Tyler.[/QUOTE]
Did you see footage of Johnny and Camila hooking up? Did you see Tyrie and Jasmine hooking up? When did you see Nate and that girl hooking up (They made out, but Vinny made with Shauvon too)? Or Rachel and Aneesa? They dated after the show, there even wasn't kissing on anything. Btw, Sarah is much bigger enemy with Shauwon than Katelynn. Same with Rivals. Davis and Tyrie were friends, Mike and Leroy were friends, Evan and Nehemiah wasn't rivals, there wasn't any footage of fights. Theresa and Camila had holidays together. If MTV would need pairs, they would get them.
Actually there was footage of Tyrie and Jasmine on Rivals but it was one of those one night stands.
Anyway, I'll be okay with a Ruins 2 (I heard the first half of the season was really good). Seeing CT, Laurel, Emily, and Leroy will also be epic!
[QUOTE=mizwood;302172]Did you see footage of Johnny and Camila hooking up? Did you see Tyrie and Jasmine hooking up? When did you see Nate and that girl hooking up (They made out, but Vinny made with Shauvon too)? Or Rachel and Aneesa? They dated after the show, there even wasn't kissing on anything. Btw, Sarah is much bigger enemy with Shauwon than Katelynn. Same with Rivals. Davis and Tyrie were friends, Mike and Leroy were friends, [B]Evan and Nehemiah wasn't rivals[/B], there wasn't any footage of fights. Theresa and Camila had holidays together. If MTV would need pairs, they would get them.[/QUOTE]
Actually I believe that they really don't get along,they had just that little fight on the duel 2 but in Adam's blog about rivals he said that everyone in the house knew how bad their relationship was, and that they just barely talk to each other.
I feel like if MTV really would want to, they could creat absolutely beast Challengers team who could beat Champions.
Just take CT, Leroy, Derek (Road Rules: VR), Brandon, Cohutta, Noor, Jenn, Emily, Diem, Aneesa, Laurel, Sarah Rice and there's gonna be some blood!
[QUOTE=mizwood;302228]I feel like if MTV really would want to, they could creat absolutely beast Challengers team who could beat Champions.
Just take CT, Leroy, Derek (Road Rules: VR), Brandon, Cohutta, Noor, Jenn, Emily, Diem, Aneesa, Laurel, Sarah Rice and there's gonna be some blood![/QUOTE]
They could easily add in a Johnnie and Chanda from FM1 who were pretty stellar; but obviously they aren't interesting enough (I actually think Johnnie was). But yes, that looks nice and it could easily happen.
There's some other strong challengers that could take on the champs but when they add people like Casey and Shavoun there is no hope. I just wish they would take more risks with their casting.
[QUOTE=mizwood;302228]I feel like if MTV really would want to, they could creat absolutely beast Challengers team who could beat Champions.
Just take CT, Leroy, Derek (Road Rules: VR), Brandon, Cohutta, Noor, Jenn, Emily, Diem, Aneesa, Laurel, Sarah Rice and there's gonna be some blood![/QUOTE]
I think right now is the best time to have a Ruins 2 because this time around they can have a Challengers team who can win unlike last time. I'd like to see CT, Leroy, Ty, Zach, Nate, Knight, Laurel, Emily, Sarah, Cara Maria, Ashley, Ashlee, and a couple new RW St.Thomas kids on the Challengers team. This time the Challengers will have a leader like CT and young lions like Leroy, Ty, and Zach who can go into elimination and win.
They should do a Duel 3 or a Ruins 2 this would be the perfect time for both Darrell and Ev, both said they would do a duel along with other past challengers. The ruins would actually have a challengers team who could compete against the champions aka the JEK empire.
[QUOTE=mizwood;302172]Did you see footage of Johnny and Camila hooking up? Did you see Tyrie and Jasmine hooking up? When did you see Nate and that girl hooking up (They made out, but Vinny made with Shauvon too)? Or Rachel and Aneesa? They dated after the show, there even wasn't kissing on anything. Btw, Sarah is much bigger enemy with Shauwon than Katelynn. Same with Rivals. Davis and Tyrie were friends, Mike and Leroy were friends, Evan and Nehemiah wasn't rivals, there wasn't any footage of fights. Theresa and Camila had holidays together. If MTV would need pairs, they would get them.[/QUOTE]
No, but there was speculation. Johnny and Camila in a bathroom and Johnny walking out trying to hide something. And the Camila/Johnny "Hook Up" on Cutthroat was a story line with the Red Team hating the Blue Team. Yes, I did see Tyrie and Jasmine hook up. They made out on camera, it showed condoms missing from Tyler's room and Davis and Evelyn opening the door and Jasmine running out, and Tyrie walking away from the room. I didn't watch RW: San Diego so I have no idea. Vinny and Shauvon were never shown making out on camera. Rachel and Aneesa had a relationship way long ago and was a story line on The Duel 2. Evan and Nehemiah weren't rivals? Have you seen the Ep. 6 aftershow? They hate each other in real life and on these shows.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;302246]No, but there was speculation. Johnny and Camila in a bathroom and Johnny walking out trying to hide something. And the Camila/Johnny "Hook Up" on Cutthroat was a story line with the Red Team hating the Blue Team. Yes, I did see Tyrie and Jasmine hook up. They made out on camera, it showed condoms missing from Tyler's room and Davis and Evelyn opening the door and Jasmine running out, and Tyrie walking away from the room. I didn't watch RW: San Diego so I have no idea. Vinny and Shauvon were never shown making out on camera. Rachel and Aneesa had a relationship way long ago and was a story line on The Duel 2. Evan and Nehemiah weren't rivals? Have you seen the Ep. 6 aftershow? They hate each other in real life and on these shows.[/QUOTE]
Camila and Johnny did hook up. Certain people in the know said so here, as did cast members on Cutthroat and Rivals.
[QUOTE=mizwood;302228]I feel like if MTV really would want to, they could creat absolutely beast Challengers team who could beat Champions.
Just take CT, Leroy, Derek (Road Rules: VR), Brandon, Cohutta, Noor, Jenn, Emily, Diem, Aneesa, Laurel, Sarah Rice and there's gonna be some blood![/QUOTE]
That would actually be a beast Challengers team. I think the reason they don't do a Ruins 2 is because of the Champion girls.
The only girls that have ever won a challenge since Fresh Meat (including girls from The Ruins) are:
Aviv (Fresh Meat): Hasn't been on a challenge since.
Jodi (RR: X-Treme): She hasn't come back since The Duel, so why would she as of a sudden. Probably seen the last of her.
Evelyn (Fresh Meat): Has said she only do a Duel 3 and there has been speculation that Rivals was her last challenge. Definitely won't do another team challenge.
Janelle (RW: Key West): Idk why she hasn't been back since The Gauntlet III, but she probably is done with challenges.
Tonya (RW: Chicago): After the Evan/Kenny law suit, I don't think she'll ever be back.
[B]Jillian[/B] (RR: X-Treme): She has only done challenges with 3 in between appearances, Fresh Meat II has had 3 challenges in between season 23, so she is a possibility.
Johanna (RW: Austin): She is done with challenges from what she tweets to other people.
Tori (RR: Viewer's Revenge): She said she is done with challenges during Cutthroat, and 100% sure she would never go on a challenge without Brad.
Rachel (RW: Austin): Won't be back.
Susie (RR: Down Under): Hasn't really expressed interest in challenges after The Ruins.
Veronica (RR: Semester at Sea): see Susie.
Ibis (RR: X-Treme): see Susie.
Carley (Fresh Meat II): Was nearly invisible on her one and only challenge, therefore I don't think she will be back.
[B]Paula[/B] (RW: Key West): She would be on The Ruins 2 if there was one.
[B]Camila[/B] (Spring Break Challenge): see Paula.
So of the girls I have listed, 2 would definitely go (Camila and Paula), 1 would maybe go (Jillian), and the rest probably not. Unless some of them made surprise come backs like Ibis and Veronica did on The Ruins.
Probably you are right, but once again, who could thought, that Veronica, Ibis, Syrus or Wes would be back on the Ruins? Coral looks interested in Challenges and tweet about them often so I could see her on Champs team. Jillian, Camila, Paula would be back too. I could see Katie Doyle on Champs again too, she said she would like to do another Challenge. Don't forget Rachel (RR), if there's Aneesa I could see her on Challenge too. I think there's a possibility to see Evelyn too, because I don't believe that bull**** 'I'm 24 and I'm retired becauce everyone sucks', she said she would be back for Duel 3, but Mark said same thing and what? We got him on exes. I feel like if MTV woould like to, they could get some really strong cast. They have their own tricks don't forget that.
I know that Exes just ended and another Challenge will be filming like on October or even later but I can't wait for all those speculating who is going and who is off, what format is like and so on. This is my favorite part of new challenges, lol.
[QUOTE=mizwood;302251]Probably you are right, but once again, who could thought, that Veronica, Ibis, Syrus or Wes would be back on the Ruins? Coral looks interested in Challenges and tweet about them often so I could see her on Champs team. Jillian, Camila, Paula would be back too. I could see Katie Doyle on Champs again too, she said she would like to do another Challenge. Don't forget Rachel (RR), if there's Aneesa I could see her on Challenge too. I think there's a possibility to see Evelyn too, because I don't believe that bull**** 'I'm 24 and I'm retired becauce everyone sucks', she said she would be back for Duel 3, but Mark said same thing and what? We got him on exes. I feel like if MTV woould like to, they could get some really strong cast. They have their own tricks don't forget that.[/QUOTE]
On cutthroat reunion Derrick raised his hand for another challenge. Ex's and Rivals obviously don't apply to him so let's also see if he is officially done or busy in the upcoming months.
[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;302256]On cutthroat reunion Derrick raised his hand for another challenge. Ex's and Rivals obviously don't apply to him so let's also see if he is officially done or busy in the upcoming months.[/QUOTE]
Did you see "Mrs. Derrick" raise her hand in favor of another challenge?
[QUOTE=mizwood;302253]I know that Exes just ended and another Challenge will be filming like on October or even later but I can't wait for all those speculating who is going and who is off, what format is like and so on. This is my favorite part of new challenges, lol.[/QUOTE]
"October or later" removes the option of securing those cast members whose personal situation allows for more flexibility during the summer months. June was a date I've heard rumors about.
I think now is the best time for a Ruins 2 because we have new champions like Dunbar, Tyler, Paula, Camilla, Brad, and Carley who can be on the Champions team as well as old champs wlike Johnny, Mark, Derrick, Abram, Rachel, and Evelyn who would do another challenge. Also now there's a new breed of Challengers coming from the Real World and Fresh Meat 2 who can compete with the Champions. Also, now all of the sudden CT has become the face of the Challenge and BMP knows that he's really popular with the fans so he'll be down for another challenge. What I'm saying the time is now for a Ruins 2 we have new champions and new Challengers that can keep the high ratings.
[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;302260]I think now is the best time for a Ruins 2 because we have new champions like Dunbar, Tyler, Paula, Camilla, Brad, and Carley who can be on the Champions team as well as old champs wlike Johnny, Mark, Derrick, Abram, Rachel, and Evelyn who would do another challenge. Also now there's a new breed of Challengers coming from the Real World and Fresh Meat 2 who can compete with the Champions. Also, now all of the sudden CT has become the face of the Challenge and BMP knows that he's really popular with the fans so he'll be down for another challenge. What I'm saying the time is now for a Ruins 2 we have new champions and new Challengers that can keep the high ratings.[/QUOTE]
Apparently you didn't read Evelyn's interview last year in which she said she is done with the challenges.
Maybe if Brad's new insurance company franchise fails, he would come back. I can't imagine otherwise how an adult with family obligations would participate.
The Ruins is likely a challenge MTV really doesn't want to repeat given the ongoing litigation over what allegedly happened there last time. It's also the challenge after which several cast members said BMP had gone much too far in their treatment of cast members essentially as slaves.
[QUOTE=V1man;302261]Apparently you didn't read Evelyn's interview last year in which she said she is done with the challenges.
Maybe if Brad's new insurance company franchise fails, he would come back. I can't imagine otherwise how an adult with family obligations would participate.
The Ruins is likely a challenge MTV really doesn't want to repeat given the ongoing litigation over what allegedly happened there last time. It's also the challenge after which several cast members said BMP had gone much too far in their treatment of cast members essentially as slaves.[/QUOTE]
That probably explains why a lot of people that were on The Ruins have not returned since The Ruins. Like Nick, Kimberly, Ibis, Veronica, Syrus, Susie, Johanna, Tonya, Brianna, Cohutta, Casey, and KellyAnne.
KellyAnne and Cohutta are the only 2 of the people above that have expressed interest in challenges since The Ruins.
[QUOTE=Rmayers;302343]Who all is retired from the challenge?[/QUOTE]
It seems like it changes on a monthly basis, haha. Mark "retired" after BOTS 2 and then came back for Duel 2, then said he was done unless they did Duel 3. He then came back for Exes and then said he was done. Flash forward to the reunion and now he's not, haha. Darrell also he was done unless it was Duel 3.
Based on the tweets or interviews, the people that seem genuinely done are:
Sean (RW: Boston)
Veronica (RR: Sem. at Sea)
Mike (RW: B2NY)
Tori (RR: Viewer's Revenge)
Jenn (RW: Denver)
Rachel (RW: San Fransisco)
Kit (RR: USA Tour 1)
Timmy (RR: USA Tour 2)
Tonya (RW: Chicago)
Theo (RR: Max. Velocity Tour)
Becky (RW: New York)
Evelyn (Fresh Meat)
Depending on how things play out, Kenny and Evan may be joining the retired list with an asterisk by their names denoting "Involuntary" . Arguably the same could be said for Adam Royer but I expect them to let him back on eventually.
I'm sure Adam Royer will be asked back eventually. I mean if he tarnished the relationship between MTV and The Hard Rock than that sucks but I don't see how they could hold that grudge for long. I mean I honestly think Ct did worse on Duel 2 but of course he probably didn't cost MTV any $$$ in the process of punching Adam K.
I'm pretty sure you can add lots of old school challengers (from the very first challenges and some after that) to that list also. Common sense says that people who have not appeared in... lets say past 7-8 challenges are not going to return.
I'm still kind of doubtful with Jenn retiring.
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