Johnny was considered to be the weakest link on a team like on G3, and Kenny was known to suck on challenges, and Tyler is completely different now, his seems way bigger now. Its weird cause now they're older so they would have been considered to be in their prime years ago not now.
[QUOTE=Blue123;316280]Johnny was considered to be the weakest link on a team like on G3, and Kenny was known to suck on challenges, and Tyler is completely different now, his seems way bigger now. Its weird cause now they're older so they would have been considered to be in their prime years ago not now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah--Johnny, Kenny & Tyler have all improved greatly since the Duel II. I mean, back then it was only a matter of time before they left. That said, if there was a Duel III I don't think Johnny or Kenny would last long. Tyler--maybe
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316313]Yeah--Johnny, Kenny & Tyler have all improved greatly since the [B]Duel II[/B]. I mean, back then it was only a matter of time before they left. That said, if there was a Duel III I don't think Johnny or Kenny would last long. Tyler--maybe[/QUOTE]
You mean duel 1? They were all rookies on that one, and Brad, Derrick, CT, Jodi, Kina, and Robin kind of ran the show. Johnny didn't get to prove anything because he and Tyler had to do the ican elimination, probably the dumbest elimination ever. They were all a lot smaller back then, I'm guessing there's been some pharmaceutical enhancements since. I disagree that Johnny wouldn't go home earlier on the Duel 3. I guess it depends on the cast, (hopefully it will be all champions or at least a very stacked cast) but there are alliances in the duel and he could be helped out by that. He would probably get called out early and often, but I really think he could hold his own against anyone in an elimination except maybe CT and Alton. He just beat Mark in an elimination in which he had a good 40 pounds on him. I know i sound like the biggest fanboy of johnny again haha.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316313]Yeah--Johnny, Kenny & Tyler have all improved greatly since the Duel II. I mean, back then it was only a matter of time before they left. That said, if there was a Duel III I don't think Johnny or Kenny would last long. Tyler--maybe[/QUOTE]
I think Johnny might do well, he's kinda good at the daily challenges, Kenny is more of a long distance guy.
Side note, did any one see Wes tweet saying he misses Kenny?? lol wtf such a troll
The Inferno 2 and The Duel had the best guy casts of any challenge. With Fresh Meat coming in a close 3rd place. However, as a whole cast, its hard to live up to what production was able to do with The Ruins.
The Ruins cast is untouchable in my opinion. There were so many people on there that brought so much to the show in terms of drama, competition, and shear wow factor. With the exception of this new Battle of the Seasons, when was the last time we saw a challenge where not 1 or 2, but a handful of cast members came off a 4-7 season drought. I mean Wes, Syrus, Darrell, Veronica, Ibis, and Susie all hadn't been on a challenge in 3-7 seasons and it was a breath of fresh air to see new faces. When I saw the cast for that season on this site I thought some idiot was just putting their fantasy challenge cast up. Plus reoccurring drama from previous challenges came up again. It was pure genius how BMP got that cast together.
[QUOTE=Blue123;316320]I think Johnny might do well, he's kinda good at the daily challenges, Kenny is more of a long distance guy.
Side note, did any one see Wes tweet saying he misses Kenny?? lol wtf such a troll[/QUOTE]
I think Kenny and Johnny would be early targets by the others and I can't see them beating top-tier competitors H2H. Kenny & Johnny are very good at team comps/finals but they aren't exact scary in a H2H situation
Kenny's only gone into one elimination round without a partner if I recall correctly and lost to Nehemiah.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316325]I think Kenny and Johnny would be early targets by the others and I can't see them beating top-tier competitors H2H. Kenny & Johnny are very good at team comps/finals but they aren't exact scary in a H2H situation
Kenny's only gone into one elimination round without a partner if I recall correctly and lost to Nehemiah.[/QUOTE]
He also had a three way on The Island, which he also lost
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316325]I think Kenny and Johnny would be early targets by the others and I can't see them beating top-tier competitors H2H. Kenny & Johnny are very good at team comps/finals but they aren't exact scary in a H2H situation
Kenny's only gone into one elimination round without a partner if I recall correctly and lost to Nehemiah.[/QUOTE]
What exactly does H2H mean?
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;316324]The Inferno 2 and The Duel had the best guy casts of any challenge. With Fresh Meat coming in a close 3rd place. However, as a whole cast, its hard to live up to what production was able to do with The Ruins.
The Ruins cast is untouchable in my opinion. There were so many people on there that brought so much to the show in terms of drama, competition, and shear wow factor. With the exception of this new Battle of the Seasons, when was the last time we saw a challenge where not 1 or 2, but a handful of cast members came off a 4-7 season drought. I mean Wes, Syrus, Darrell, Veronica, Ibis, and Susie all hadn't been on a challenge in 3-7 seasons and it was a breath of fresh air to see new faces. When I saw the cast for that season on this site I thought some idiot was just putting their fantasy challenge cast up. Plus reoccurring drama from previous challenges came up again. It was pure genius how BMP got that cast together.[/QUOTE]
The Ruins was my favorite season in terms of drama. The whole Wes situation with him trying to throw the first challenge, his fights with Johnny, and Darrell, and the whole Kenny-Johanna-Kelly Anne thing was awesome, not to mention Tonya vs. Veronica, Darrell vs. Brad. The champions team was probably the best team ever and the challengers never had a chance. JEK completely dominated the old guys though, even though Veronica did suck Evan's **** so he would keep her around.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;316367]The Ruins was my favorite season in terms of drama. The whole Wes situation with him trying to throw the first challenge, his fights with Johnny, and Darrell, and the whole Kenny-Johanna-Kelly Anne thing was awesome, not to mention Tonya vs. Veronica, Darrell vs. Brad. The champions team was probably the best team ever and the challengers never had a chance. JEK completely dominated the old guys though, even though Veronica did suck Evan's **** so he would keep her around.[/QUOTE]
The cast was great but the season itself sucked because it was so lopsided. Also the cast hated being there and openly said it was the worst challenge experience ever. You never saw the cast out at a bar or club unlike in other challenges where every other episode, they would be out clubbing. They went to that one outdoor bar but I heard from the cast that it was extremely limited and it was that ONE time.
[QUOTE=jhl182;316369]The cast was great but the season itself sucked because it was so lopsided. Also the cast hated being there and openly said it was the worst challenge experience ever. You never saw the cast out at a bar or club unlike in other challenges where every other episode, they would be out clubbing. They went to that one outdoor bar but I heard from the cast that it was extremely limited and it was that ONE time.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could talk with people from that challenge and ask them why it was such a horrible experience. There were a few times on The Ruins where the cast went out, not as much as Rivals and Battle of the Exes but there 2 or 3 episodes where they went out and got out of the house. I don't recall the cast going out at all on Fresh Meat II. In terms of worst living condition other than The Island, I feel like Fresh Meat II and Cutthroat were the worst.
I would have loved to be on The Ruins. The house was awesome (4 stories, huge, awesome view, on the ocean, in Thailand, the balconies were really cool too. The Fresh Meat II and Cutthroat house seemed the most boring to me and the worst.
I just want for BMP to show the cast having more FUN. We don't see them having fun or going out a whole lot nowadays. And that used to be a big part of the show.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;316395]I wish I could talk with people from that challenge and ask them why it was such a horrible experience. There were a few times on The Ruins where the cast went out, not as much as Rivals and Battle of the Exes but there 2 or 3 episodes where they went out and got out of the house. I don't recall the cast going out at all on Fresh Meat II. In terms of worst living condition other than The Island, I feel like Fresh Meat II and Cutthroat were the worst.
I would have loved to be on The Ruins. The house was awesome (4 stories, huge, awesome view, on the ocean, in Thailand, the balconies were really cool too. The Fresh Meat II and Cutthroat house seemed the most boring to me and the worst.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt they were bored in Whistler for FM2--JMO
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316436]I highly doubt they were bored in Whistler for FM2--JMO[/QUOTE]
Why? They were in the middle of the woods with a hot tub and a pool table. I would be bored out of my mind if I were on that challenge. Same with Cutthroat, actually even more so Cutthroat because the Fresh Meat II house looked really big and cool, but the Cutthroat house looked like it was a common room with two hall ways on each side with their bedrooms and a downstairs kitchen, dining room, and the room where the pool table was. Pretty boring.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;316454]Why? They were in the middle of the woods with a hot tub and a pool table. I would be bored out of my mind if I were on that challenge. Same with Cutthroat, actually even more so Cutthroat because the Fresh Meat II house looked really big and cool, but the Cutthroat house looked like it was a common room with two hall ways on each side with their bedrooms and a downstairs kitchen, dining room, and the room where the pool table was. Pretty boring.[/QUOTE]
Whistler's not far from many things--have you ever been to British Columbia?
I'm not sure what you want in these houses to keep people entertained.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316469]Whistler's not far from many things--have you ever been to British Columbia?
I'm not sure what you want in these houses to keep people entertained[/QUOTE]
1. That's great that Whistler isn't far from much, but clearly that doesn't matter because they didn't go anywhere during that season.
2. No, I have never been to British Columbia.
3. I'm not wanting like 15 flat screens and direct TV with NFL sunday package to keep them entertained but if went away to these challenges and I was present on challenges like The Gauntlet III, The Ruins, and Rivals I would have had a lot more fun in those houses than say The Duel 2, Fresh Meat II, and Cutthroat.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;316472]1. That's great that Whistler isn't far from much, but clearly that doesn't matter because they didn't go anywhere during that season.
2. No, I have never been to British Columbia.
3. I'm not wanting like 15 flat screens and direct TV with NFL sunday package to keep them entertained but if went away to these challenges and I was present on challenges like The Gauntlet III, The Ruins, and Rivals I would have had a lot more fun in those houses than say The Duel 2, Fresh Meat II, and Cutthroat.[/QUOTE]
I'm confused as to what you're saying those other houses had. Not saying you're wrong (it is all personal preference) but I'm not seeing a huge difference with the living accommodations other than The Island and The Gauntlet III for the rooks
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316473]I'm confused as to what you're saying those other houses had. Not saying you're wrong (it is all personal preference) but I'm not seeing a huge difference with the living accommodations other than The Island and The Gauntlet III for the rooks[/QUOTE]
Well for one EVERYONE on the Island had the same horrible living conditions by living outside (sort of). On The Gauntlet III, the Rookies lived inside, yes all crammed together in a small space, but all the Rookies had to do was walk upstairs and they all the same accommodations the Veterans had. I'm sure every Rookie on that season only went to their room to change and sleep.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;315978]
Notice Kenny, Derrick & Evan sided with Susie at the end--not Johnny. Why is that? [B]They knew[/B] [B]Susie could beat KellyAnne[/B] and if she did she'd throw the final mission out of spite. Who won the most money during the Ruins? Susie reaches every final. Johnny can't say that, Kenny can't say that nor can Evan. Susie has the game mastered whether you like her or not is irrelevant. Just like those that don't like JEK don't give them enough credit.[/QUOTE]
Where did you hear this? Because from what I have heard, neither Susie herself nor the men were confident in Susie's ability to take out Kelly Anne in a physical ruins which is exactly why they gave her Kim as a negotiation. Susie herself said she did not believe her chances of winning would be great especially after having wrestled with Kelly Anne in the sand in the Block Party mission. She, along with Johnna and Ibis had an extremely hard time budging her. That's why Susie worked so hard to set up the Ev vs Kelly Anne ruins, because Ev was the only girl with a good probability of eliminating Kelly Anne who was considered to be the strongest girl on the rookie team.
I would not call Susie a better strategist than Johnny. She has just had a lot more luck on her side. Susie has never had to face a top tier opponent in an elimination round while Johnny has had to on multiple occasions so it's only natural that he has not made it to as many final chalenges. Had it been Sarah, Kelly Anne instead of Bri or Ev, Tonya instead of Jenn in those elimination rounds then there would have been a very great chance that Susie would not have made it to the end.
[QUOTE=v123;316484][B]I would not call Susie a better strategist than Johnny. She has just had a lot more luck on her side.[/B] Susie has never had to face a top tier opponent in an elimination round while Johnny has had to on multiple occasions so it's only natural that he has not made it to as many final chalenges.[/QUOTE]Teehee, false. Going in eliminations against people that you can beat =/= being a lucky player.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;316472]1. That's great that Whistler isn't far from much, but clearly that doesn't matter because they didn't go anywhere during that season.
2. No, I have never been to British Columbia.
3. I'm not wanting like 15 flat screens and direct TV with NFL sunday package to keep them entertained but if went away to these challenges and I was present on challenges like The Gauntlet III, [B]The Ruins[/B], and Rivals I would have had a lot more fun in those houses than say The Duel 2, Fresh Meat II, and Cutthroat.[/QUOTE]
From what I've heard from cast members, The Ruins would've been a terrible environment. On Exes, they were practically living in Ponyville by comparison.
[QUOTE=v123;316484]Where did you hear this? Because from what I have heard, neither Susie herself nor the men were confident in Susie's ability to take out Kelly Anne in a physical ruins which is exactly why they gave her Kim as a negotiation. Susie herself said she did not believe her chances of winning would be great especially after having wrestled with Kelly Anne in the sand in the Block Party mission. She, along with Johnna and Ibis had an extremely hard time budging her. That's why Susie worked so hard to set up the Ev vs Kelly Anne ruins, because Ev was the only girl with a good probability of eliminating Kelly Anne who was considered to be the strongest girl on the rookie team.
I would not call Susie a better strategist than Johnny. She has just had a lot more luck on her side. Susie has never had to face a top tier opponent in an elimination round while Johnny has had to on multiple occasions so it's only natural that he has not made it to as many final chalenges. Had it been Sarah, Kelly Anne instead of Bri or Ev, Tonya instead of Jenn in those elimination rounds then there would have been a very great chance that Susie would not have made it to the end.[/QUOTE]
"Could beat"--I didn't say would beat. Susie didn't want to face KellyAnne but Susie COULD have beat her in that final elimination round. Especially that one. Susie wasn't "given" Kim--she asked for Kim because, as she said, she knew she'd have to win 2 Ruins anyway. It wasn't the time to make the argument to face Casey and she knew it--part of being a great strategist.
Luck? Being a better strategist is getting better matchups. Susie didn't have to face Sarah or KellyAnne--that's part of strategy--and she COULD have beat them. KellyAnne is not some elite competitor. She's not Evelyn, Laurel or Emily. Tonya? Susie can't beat Tonya? Come on. Tonya is hit or miss.
Notice how you're trying to turn this into "how good of a competitor she is than how great of a strategist that she is because you can't win the strategist argument. Susie is one of the best ever when it comes to strategy. Johnny's getting there now but still does some idiotic things--see throwing in Rachel & Aneesa TWICE because of what happened on The Island instead of trying to eliminate teams you wouldn't want to face in the final.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316533]"Could beat"--I didn't say would beat. Susie didn't want to face KellyAnne but Susie COULD have beat her in that final elimination round. Especially that one. Susie wasn't "given" Kim--she asked for Kim because, as she said, she knew she'd have to win 2 Ruins anyway. It wasn't the time to make the argument to face Casey and she knew it--part of being a great strategist.
Luck? Being a better strategist is getting better matchups. Susie didn't have to face Sarah or KellyAnne--that's part of strategy--and she COULD have beat them. [B]KellyAnne is not some elite competitor[/B]. She's not Evelyn, Laurel or Emily. Tonya? Susie can't beat Tonya? Come on. Tonya is hit or miss.
Notice how you're trying to turn this into "how good of a competitor she is than how great of a strategist that she is because you can't win the strategist argument. Susie is one of the best ever when it comes to strategy. Johnny's getting there now but still does some idiotic things--[B]see throwing in Rachel & Aneesa TWICE[/B] because of what happened on The Island instead of trying to eliminate teams you wouldn't want to face in the final.[/QUOTE]
Kelly Anne is most definitely an elite competitor. And Johnny's decision to throw Rachel in wasn't purely out of spite even though it was portrayed that way. The first time he threw them in was against Tyrie and Jasmine, and Johnny was in an alliance with everyone else in the game except for Rachel/Aneesa and Ty/Emily. Since Rachel/Aneesa were a weak team and Ty/Emily had just gone in it made sense to put 2 weak teams in against each other. The last time he threw them in was because he didn't want to put Paula against Ty/Emily, which I guess is a bad strategical move if you're only playing for yourself but he was just protecting his alliance. I'm pretty sure Johnny played a good strategical game on Exes, he basically ran the entire game.
How is KellyAnne elite? I'm sorry but that's complete nonsense IMO. She's a solid competitor but far from on the level of Emily, Laurel & Evelyn. I'm not even convinced she's better than Sarah. Evelyn destroys KellyAnne in that elimination round in the Ruins if she tries. Her only other H2H win is against Veronica. Maybe KellyAnne COULD BE great but she hasn't proven that at all thus far and definitely isn't elite. Do you seriously believe KellyAnne would beat any of those 3? I like KellyAnne but that's absurd.
Throwing Rachel & Aneesa in was purely out of spite--there was no strategy involved in that at all--you want those two in the final against you. At the very least throw Abram & Cara Maria in. There was no alliance there and you could be eliminating a solid team.
I didn't say Johnny didn't run Exes--but Susie ran The Ruins more than Johnny did. Susie has more influence over that team (see who they sided with at the end--it was Susie not Johnny) and Evan even admitted she was better at the game. Twice Susie & Johnny were on a team together and twice Susie controlled things more than Johnny did and he was livid about it--that's why he wanted to throw the final mission. Not because she was "the weak link" but because he couldn't stand the FACT that someone is actually better at the game.
Johnny's only 1 on 1 win for the record is against Dunbar. Not exactly impressive. We can add a 40 year old Mark as well though technically that was a partner elimination round. His buddy Evan even called him out because Evan felt like it was an easier win than Danny during the Gauntlet III. How good of a strategist are you when your friend calls you out?
Sorry, Johnny's become a solid strategist after being on these time & time again but there's a few elite ones (Susie, Coral, Veronica, Rachel, Kenny, Mark & Evan (other than Rivals)) and Johnny's on the outside looking in at that group.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316546]How is KellyAnne elite? I'm sorry but that's complete nonsense IMO. She's a solid competitor but far from on the level of Emily, Laurel & Evelyn. I'm not even convinced she's better than Sarah. Evelyn destroys KellyAnne in that elimination round in the Ruins if she tries. Her only other H2H win is against Veronica. Maybe KellyAnne COULD BE great but she hasn't proven that at all thus far and definitely isn't elite. Do you seriously believe KellyAnne would beat any of those 3? I like KellyAnne but that's absurd.
Throwing Rachel & Aneesa in was purely out of spite--there was no strategy involved in that at all--you want those two in the final against you. At the very least throw Abram & Cara Maria in. There was no alliance there and you could be eliminating a solid team.
I didn't say Johnny didn't run Exes--but Susie ran The Ruins more than Johnny did. Susie has more influence over that team (see who they sided with at the end--it was Susie not Johnny) and Evan even admitted she was better at the game. Twice Susie & Johnny were on a team together and twice Susie controlled things more than Johnny did and he was livid about it--that's why he wanted to throw the final mission. Not because she was "the weak link" but because he couldn't stand the FACT that someone is actually better at the game.
Johnny's only 1 on 1 win for the record is against Dunbar. Not exactly impressive. We can add a 40 year old Mark as well though technically that was a partner elimination round. His buddy Evan even called him out because Evan felt like it was an easier win than Danny during the Gauntlet III. How good of a strategist are you when your friend calls you out?
Sorry, Johnny's become a solid strategist after being on these time & time again but there's a few elite ones (Susie, Coral, Veronica, Rachel, Kenny, Mark & Evan (other than Rivals)) and Johnny's on the outside looking in at that group.[/QUOTE]
Since when was the definition of being elite changed to being one of the top 3 at what you do? Kelly Anne isn't as good as Ev, Laurel, and Emily, but name anyone else who's better (besides maybe Camilla). And bro, we've argued Susie vs. Johnny enough, I never even mentioned Susie why are you still bringing that up? Last point Johnny and Evan weren't in an alliance on Gauntlet 3, and even still I think anyone would say that Evan should have called out Danny or Big Easy over Johnny.
One more point why would he throw Abe and Cara Maria in against Tyrie and Jasmine? They were in Johnny's alliance (albeit 5th in the pecking order) and to send them in against a team they would definitely beat and have them come back to the house pissed off at them would have definitely been the wrong decision.
[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;316555]One more point why would he throw Abe and Cara Maria in against Tyrie and Jasmine? They were in Johnny's alliance (albeit 5th in the pecking order) and to send them in against a team they would definitely beat and have them come back to the house pissed off at them would have definitely been the wrong decision.[/QUOTE]
They were never in Johnny's alliance. Hell, Paula came close to sending them in against Leroy/Naomi in the 3rd episode.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;316546]How is KellyAnne elite? I'm sorry but that's complete nonsense IMO. She's a solid competitor but far from on the level of Emily, Laurel & Evelyn. I'm not even convinced she's better than Sarah. Evelyn destroys KellyAnne in that elimination round in the Ruins if she tries. Her only other H2H win is against Veronica. Maybe KellyAnne COULD BE great but she hasn't proven that at all thus far and definitely isn't elite. Do you seriously believe KellyAnne would beat any of those 3? I like KellyAnne but that's absurd.
Throwing Rachel & Aneesa in was purely out of spite--there was no strategy involved in that at all--you want those two in the final against you. At the very least throw Abram & Cara Maria in. There was no alliance there and you could be eliminating a solid team.
I didn't say Johnny didn't run Exes--but Susie ran The Ruins more than Johnny did. Susie has more influence over that team (see who they sided with at the end--it was Susie not Johnny) and Evan even admitted she was better at the game. Twice Susie & Johnny were on a team together and twice Susie controlled things more than Johnny did and he was livid about it--that's why he wanted to throw the final mission. Not because she was "the weak link" but because he couldn't stand the FACT that someone is actually better at the game.
Johnny's only 1 on 1 win for the record is against Dunbar. Not exactly impressive. We can add a 40 year old Mark as well though technically that was a partner elimination round. His buddy Evan even called him out because Evan felt like it was an easier win than Danny during the Gauntlet III. How good of a strategist are you when your friend calls you out?
Sorry, Johnny's become a solid strategist after being on these time & time again but there's a few elite ones (Susie, Coral, Veronica, Rachel, Kenny, Mark & Evan (other than Rivals)) and Johnny's on the outside looking in at that group.[/QUOTE]
Umm..not sure if you knew this but Susie had to be carried during The Ruins final because she couldn't handle it. If Susie was so strong then she should've gone into the Ruins against Kelly Anne and not scheme to get Ev and Veronica to go against her. I'm not sure if you saw her on "Extreme Challenge" where she was the weakest competitor and she was the reason why her team lost the final mission. She never stood out on The Gauntlet 2 and on the Inferno 3, she only won lifesavers because Cara kept throwing the missions. Her and Cara were considered the weakest link on the Inferno 3 final and were pretty much the reason why the Good Guys team lost the final mission.
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